YTSEJAM Digest 2257 Today's Topics: 1) Re: NDTC - Mozart (the band, not the dude) by "R. Christopher Hailey" 2) ytsejam now! logo by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 3) Hooo! Another one? by email_address_removed 4) note #2 on the ytsejam now logo by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 5) Let Sleeping Threads Lie by Pat Sullivan 6) a third note on the logo, this is the last one! by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 7) Roy Thomas Baker by email_address_removed (Tom Baddley) 8) Fellow Long Islander by email_address_removed (Heath Augustover) 9) voice declining by flavio maia 10) An idea for a producer. by Jeremy Kube 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2256 by Dan 12) Good riddance to dick boy, two cents, and a plea by email_address_removed 13) 100% DTC (this is a must-read) by Mike Estok 14) black by "Dale R. Newberry" 15) tag update by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 16) Smoking, etc. by The Digital Man 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2256 by Chris Ptacek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Feb 86 15:37:02 -0800 From: "R. Christopher Hailey" To: Subject: Re: NDTC - Mozart (the band, not the dude) Message-ID: quite a while a go, you wrote about Mozart... >The CD is produced and mixed by Roy Thomas Baker. Forgive my >igorance, but why does this name seem familiar? Elvis? RTB produced several of Queen's albums. that could be where you heard/saw the name. among other places. I'm sure he did other bands, but can't tell you what they are. (well, I *could* tell you, but then I'd have to kill you... =) r.christopher hailey how sublime a thing it is email_address_removed http://weber.u.washington.edu/~pass to suffer and be strong -- enchant: 'catharsis' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 17:38:10 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: ytsejam now! logo Message-ID: hey, it came up on irc that i found this ytsejam now! logo, kind of in the vein of netscape, but didnt resemble it in any way... so i went into paint shop pro, and whipped up our own little "ytsejam now!" logo to link to the official homepage (http://www.rsabbs.com/dt) and put it up for all to see, its on my main homepage, which is http://www.inlink.com/~ripzero and if you dont have a graphic browser but you can see graphics on your comp and want to take a look, just email me and i'll attach it and send it to you. i think it looks good, i'm real happy with how it came out, hope you all dig, and if you want to use it (i hope you do:) then i just ask ya please use this html tag to do it: Ytsejam NOW! that way you dont even have to upload the image into your own web directory, just hatchet it off mine. i'd love some comments if ya check it out :) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 17:02:08 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: Hooo! Another one? Message-ID: Yet another DT song? Shit. I think we should ask for a TRIPLE CD ALBUM!!! Just a thought. ~Eckie stirs the pot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:13:07 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: note #2 on the ytsejam now logo Message-ID: hi all, i just updated it again, this time instead of the letter "Y" i was actually able to design a mini majesty logo in there.. it looks great, this is only a post to all of you ack moders who already went and saw it already to go see it again, the filename is still the same, its just a weee different as you see. so everything about using it and viewing it pending is the exact same as my previous post.. enjoy! :) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 20:38:03 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: Let Sleeping Threads Lie Message-ID: >Hrm.... > I've come to notice that people have lost the right to proclaim >their own opinion on this place. It's real sad. Unless it's >proportionate to what the majority of the jam likes, this person is >hammered into submission. As far as I'm concerned, so be it. I have a lot of musical likes/dislikes that fly in the face of what this list believes: I don't like Rush, Marillion, or Yes. I only like one Queensryche album (O:m). I like Dream Theater because they are a metal band that's doing something that catches my attention. They stand out from the crowd. I realize that having opinions like these are bound to make me unpopular with some people here. While I haven't yet encountered a pure flame-fest, I know I probably will (probably right after I post this. :)). But frankly, I don't much care. I'm not too thin-skinned to let people bother me. To many of the problems on this list come from too much posturing and attitude. People saying "I don't want to repond here, but....." and then responding. Too many verbal cockfights, nobody's ever willing to just let a counter-productive thread lie. It reminds me of a communications course I took in college: one day, the professor paired us off, and had us face one another with a line drawn on the floor between us. The object was for each person to get the other one over to the other side of the line. Naturally, most of the people started physically pulling of the other person to try and yank them over. After a couple of minutes, the professor stopped us and told us the best solution to the problem: for each person to voluntarily step over the line. No conflict, no violence, everyone succeeds. That's what needs to happen here more often, but too many people are afraid to stop pulling. Sorry to ramble, but maybe it'll help. (well...) ________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: email_address_removed WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Tool - "Aenima" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:49:55 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: a third note on the logo, this is the last one! Message-ID: hi all! sorry for this third update, i promise i'm done and this is the last, ok i just worked on this, i now have an animated version of the logo, in which the majesty logo rotates :) BOTH animated and non animated are available for use, if you wish to use the animated link anywhere, the html tag is as follows: Ytsejam NOW! PLEASE use these tags for these images, thats the only thing i ask. ok so this is it, the last one, so everyone go check it out, have a blast, yes i am a loser for spending so much time on this, party on down :) enjoy! ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 02:57:43 GMT From: email_address_removed (Tom Baddley) To: email_address_removed Subject: Roy Thomas Baker Message-ID: >The CD is produced and mixed by Roy Thomas Baker. Forgive my >igorance, but why does this name seem familiar? Elvis? Actually, I'm sure that he produced more, but I know he produced at least the first three albums by The Cars (The Cars, Candy-O, and Panarama). After that, Rik Ocasek started doing most of their mixing and production work. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 22:18:02 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Heath Augustover) To: email_address_removed Subject: Fellow Long Islander Message-ID: Hey guys, isn't it so cool when you're wearing some DT stuff and then someone else, a complete stranger brings up to you that he's another DT fan? Well, a couple weeks ago I was at Blockbuster Video and an employee noticed that I was either wearing a DT hat or shirt (I forgot already). I just thought it was so cool. And he said that he's another ytsejammer, so I'm just sayiing hi Ian (I think that's your name). Has this happened to anyone else on the jam, just wearing DT stuff and then some complete stragner start a conversation with you just because you're wearing some DT stuff? Heath Augustover p.s. I'm also saying hi to a dude that I saw walking around Nassau Community College the very first day of classes in the fall semester with a ytsecon shirt on. I saw you wearing it, I was just too far away to say hi to you. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:29:06 -0200 (EDT) From: flavio maia To: email_address_removed Subject: voice declining Message-ID: I didn't think that cigar could decrease voice range.Remember...La brie smokes either...By the way, i think that Bruce Dickinson's voice decline by some reason that only he knows...His voice didn't suffer alteration until No prayer for the dying...UP THE IRONS!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:14:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: An idea for a producer. Message-ID: Here is an idea. Let's go with Peter Collins who produces Rush. He is very creative as you can see with the complexity of Rush's newer stuff. They just keep getting better. I would love to see what he can do with DT. Just my $.02 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2256 Message-ID: I have heard from several people on the jam that James Labrie is possibly leaving the band and they are having auditons???? Could this be the reason the album is taking so long???? Just somethin to think about Later, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:18:11 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Good riddance to dick boy, two cents, and a plea Message-ID: We all have opinions; here's mine. I think that when you state your opinion and get a reply, you don't have to repeatedly say "You didn't get my point" and start calling other people dicks. If you run into someone contradicting you, don't throw a flame. You should debate, IMO. I think it's good for the digest when we disagree and have an intelligent conversation, especially when it's about Dream Theater. :) I think we should just try to get our points across the best we can and go back and forth as much as we want -- as long as we're adding something relative to Dream Theater discussion. (author descends from soap box) I have two cents on the I&W/Awake concept. DT obviously progressed; the nice thing about progression is that you can go in any direction and bet the house that your not going backwards. I think Awake sounds choppy, but I love it. It's angry and takes sharp turns, takes you from serenity to a fitful wrath. It's the fine art of moodwise madness. One part that I used to find annoying, but now find charming in a in-love-with-a-serial-killer sort of way is the abrupt key change from the bridge to the chorus in Innocence Faded. It's the same thing with Erotomania, where they play the 10/8 riff and make the 4th measure 9/8. Of course, there are examples of this on I&W, but that has less of a madness quality and more of a beautiful/intelligent quality to me, probably because it's not as dark. On another note, I need some help. I love the music of passionate progressive bands, but relatively few are signed to major labels or get airplay. Bands such as Dream Theater, Rush, Queensryche, Yes, et cetera stir me in a way that most mainstream music cannot. I get an unexplainable sensation whether listening to "Take The Time", "Tears", or "Screaming In Digital". If you know what I'm talking about, please e-mail me the names of some little-known, but accessible bands/artists/albums that make you feel the same way. I've heard of Spock's Beard on the list, and I'll be checking them out. Something has to pacify me through the DT hiatus. Craig email_address_removed P.S. If you need a laugh, I have some off-the-wall one-liners on my homepage: http://www.doitnow.com/~monkey/index.html Note: Very unconventional humor (humour?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 21:43:11 -0500 From: Mike Estok To: email_address_removed Subject: 100% DTC (this is a must-read) Message-ID: Ok, tonight was a very interesting night on the old IRC channel #ytsejam. I suggested that we start making porno titles for Dream Theater songs. A few weak ones like my own "Metcockolis I" came out, but then it began to flow. This is highly related to Dream Theater and if you are a fan, you should really read this! DT Porn Titles! -------------------- Ytseslam - Six O Cock - Learning to Give - Under an ass moon - The Wacking Hand - Scarred (S&M) - My Cock Won't Piss - Metropolis Part I - The Miracle Whip and the Seeper - The Impotent Man - Lay - LSOAD (Lifting Sluts off a Dick) - The Minor - The Ones who Help the Man to Cum - Only a Matter of Cum - To Cum Forever - Light Fire and Fuck Away - Phallus Seeker - Sodomy Seeker - A Fortune in Thighs - A Change of Sheets - Pull Me Harder - Pull My...ummm - A Bang of Seasons - Space Dye Chest - Juices - Another Dick - Another Lay - Bake My Dime - ACOS (A Choice of Suductresses) - ACOS (A CUnt on Steroids) - Wait For Sheep - Raise the "knife" - The Jerking Hand - Fallopian SKies - Pervian Thighs - (whatever you prefer) Impotence Faded - Light Dick and Get A Lay - Bombay Spindlespooge - Afterwife - Bombay Sticky-Goo - To Jizz Forever - (yes folks, this is a woman!) ItsyBitsyHam - Cover my Eyes - (just hte way it is) Take Away My Virginity - Take Away My Membrane - I'm Not Wearing Any Pants - Your Place or Mine (You Or Me) - Burning My Hole - 69s in the Sand - Only A Masturba Time - Cum Bubbles - The cds: When sperm and Egg Unite Images of Girls A Change of Semen *** * Lie on My Pee Pee (LatM) - A Change of Semen Cumsnake By: James LayedBrie Charlie Dominatrix Mike Porntoy (duh!) Kevin Whore John MyToungue John PetCoochie Derek Shove-it-in-again None of mine are on here, because I am too nice of a guy! (Ladies? I know you are out there! (email_address_removed) michelob p.s. - this is not a joke! Take offense to it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:49:45 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: black Message-ID: >Why do all these Progressive Metal bands seem to like wearing black >so much? Because it makes them look bad ass, hehe :). Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 00:02:10 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: tag update Message-ID: sorry, to use the rotating maj logo ytsejam now graphic, use this html code Ytsejam NOW! if you dont know what i'm talking about loook at my last post :) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:22:10 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" Subject: Smoking, etc. Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed > Subject: Geoff Tate > > Anyone have any thoughts on "smoking and singing" Yes, I have some very strong thoughts on smoking and singing. Anyone that wants to be a vocalist (in *ANY* style of music) and is stupid enough to smoke cigarettes (as I have been) ought to be prepared to face the fact that the quality of the voice will suffer tremendously. Those of you that have heard what I recorded with my band Polio Dog in the summer of 1995 and what I've recorded with Nine Miles in the winter of 1997 might notice a change in my voice. God knows I've noticed. I find it hard to sing the PDog stuff anymore. I've lost some range, and I've lost some power. Add to all that the fact that I have never had the first day of formal voice training. Not only am I screwing around with my instrument, but I've never learned how to use it properly, and I'm probably hurting it in two ways. I have over time learned how to control my voice somewhat. There was a time where I wouldn't be able to speak out loud for a day or two after performing. I realized how *bad* that was, and tried to change my style of singing so that I actually sing, rather than screaming pitches. But, to get back to my initial point, smoking is dumb, and smoking and attempting to maintain a good singing voice is even dumber. ---- > From: Jon Veal > Subject: Black > > Why do all these Progressive Metal bands seem to like wearing black > so much ? Black hides beer stains better. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 00:53:30 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2256 Message-ID: >chris's response to my post is completely unrelated to my main point: >quality. Which is really in the eye of the beholder, which is the point of my whole response to his post. >chris accuses me of insulting people. Which he did in saying that progressive lyrics are cliche and/or buzzwords. >chris then insults me >by proclaiming to the 'jam that what i want from the band is the exact >opposite of everything i said in my post. Or maybe I came to that conclusion by the fact that he said he wanted Awake and the new stuff to be like I&W, which leads me to believe that he didn't care for Awake or for the new direction DT has been heading. That's not an insult. >chris gets pissed. i >think it's funny, Is it funny "haha" or funny "hoho" when someone writes you an e mail swearing at you and calling you ignorant and stupid for disagreeing with them. Sounds like neither to me. > he sends me private email in which he continues to >fail to understand and flames me more. I offer up my response to anyone that wants it. It was no more a flame than his was of me. After sending the letter, I also sent him a second one saying basically "Let's just put our differences aside. Our disagreements are on matters of opinion" and he spews more expletives and calls me more names for this. > since this was private email, i >figure fine, he has declared war. so i send him private email. >chris then posts to the jam calling me a dick and offering to send >people my response to his flame. This was in response to his post to the jam. Not in response to his letter, which came AFTER I posted my trademark to the jam. I tried to declare PEACE, and he spat at me for it. The first insults came from him. The only other insults were things that basically told him to grow up. >i'm sick of people on #ytsejam getting pissed at me because i don't >like everything they do. I made the written point that I'll be the last to tell someone what to listen to, and I defend anyone's right (you've seen posts from me proving so) to like whatever they want and dislike whatever they want. So I won't accept blame for this. >i'm sick of people on ytsejam acting like 10 year olds. Then teach by example. Not by bitching and moaning. That's not even 10 year old stuff. That's 9 and under. :) >i won't have >to read it cuz i won't be subscribed. I won't cry over this. I won't lose sleep over this. If the consensus is that I was wrong in responding to this guy's first post, and that I had no reason to after what he said to be the least bit upset, let me know by personal e mail, and I'll unsubscribe too. I took this flame war off the jam without even posting my own flame. I took his shit and brought it to private e mail. I posted to the jam because I know some sick individuals find me amusing, and I wanted them to know that they were welcome to get my input on the situation. >have fun. i'm sorry i ever considered that someone (well, ok, one >person) might have a clue about what i'm talking about. So am I, because when I can make sense of everything else I read, (which includes everything from classic literature to ebonic bullshit) if you say I had no clue what you were talking about it's because it wasn't in english, or because you're grasping at straws and arguing in circles. I made every attempt to be civil. > I've come to notice that people have lost the right to proclaim >their own opinion on this place. Are you putting that on me? Let me know and I'll hop right off this love boat. > I hate to see people unsubscribe no matter how much anyone else on >the jam hates their guts. I don't hate any human being. I don't want anyone to unsubscribe. >know he had put you (Chris) on the defensive and that a general name >calling match got thrown in the works. NO. I will accept NO blame for the name calling match. I was perfectly civil in my post. He went off. > What the hell is wring with >letting people state their opinions and get the hell on with your >lives? Nobody cares what anyone else thinks. If I didn't care what he thought, I wouldn't have responded. I didn't tell him to give up his opinion. I stated my reasoned disagreement. "What the hell is wrong" with me stating my opinion and getting the hell on with my life? It's because you have to walk on god damn egg shells around here so no one will complain. Now I know the stress Bafu was going through a few months ago. Listen... if you guys want me off the jam, for any reason, let me know and I'm gone. It's that simple. I don't think I did anything wrong here. I took plenty of time, didn't respond immediately, and asked him to be cool. I even offered the e mail handshake of peace. There is absolutely nothing more I could have done, except not disagree, which would seem to me to be a rule no one should have to live up to. If anyone wants to do me and the jam a favor I ask THIS of you: If you want to discuss this or any of my recent NDTC posts with me, to tell me I'm right, wrong, arrogant, amusing, or just plain good lookin', PLEASE respond to me in email. NOT through the jam. This is where I end this particular episode of the ytse soap opera (since I'm seeming to be the director of this episode). Please, don't post anything about this post or the recent issue that's meant to make me mad or to make me unsubscribe. Flames belong in private e mail. I will repeat my readiness to unsubscribe if that's what you want. Just don't make me waste anymore bandwidth. - Rather Friggin' Disappointed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2257 **************************