YTSEJAM Digest 2255 Today's Topics: 1) Type O (DUCK!) by Brian 2) american by "Raivo Hool" 3) Re: William's Opinions by Stephen Daedalus 4) arrgh.... by Brian 5) NEW MATERIAL by Dan 6) My horror story!!!! by Hector Crisantes 7) Bogus Nothings by Chris Ptacek 8) You're being a dick. by Chris Ptacek 9) psychology of music (NDTC) by Taco Belhai 10) new material and cool post wars by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253 by "Richard A. Rivera" 12) Re: You're being a dick. by "Kevin W. Madden" 13) Help! Need Metallica Bootleg! by email_address_removed 14) Speaking of Vocal Subjects...MDTC (Marginal...) by "Kevin W. Madden" 15) MY letter to BEastWest (fwd) by "Vincent G. LuPone" 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253 by Carlos Alfaro 17) Dead Winter Dead by email_address_removed (Jeff Taylor) 18) hello by email_address_removed 19) Re: YTSEJAM stuff, picky stuff, etc. by Madelaine 20) Flemming Rasmussen as producer by "Kevin W. Madden" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 17:19:47 -0800 From: Brian To: email_address_removed Subject: Type O (DUCK!) Message-ID: Sorry to bring TON back up on the jam, but I have no where else to go. If anyone has October Rust and a program to make sound files, I need a wav of the part on "Be My Druidess" that says "I'll do anything to make you come". I'l make it myself but I can only make wavs off CD and I only have OR on tape. thanks ======================================================================== "Are you gonna bark all day, little ----- doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ---- bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ---- Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - -- "Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - - drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - - you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - -- Against The Machine ---- - - - ---- later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ---- ----- ======================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:15:34 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" To: email_address_removed Subject: american Message-ID: >>for the greater good! Do it for yourselves! Do it for the fans! DO >>IT FOR AMERICA AND THE WHOLE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE!!! Dream Theater >>fans must have grrrrrrrrr...... R. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 19:02:17 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: William's Opinions Message-ID: For the most part, I agree with this guy. I&W is a lot smoother to me as well. This is one of my gripes about Power of Omens (hi Dave.) They are awsome musicians, but the transitions happen very abruptly and frequently. I think certain time should be spent on a certain riff or groove. I mean, anyway, how are you gonna keep coming up with new material if all of it goes into 30-second segments of one song? I do enjoy awake, mainly Silent Man, SDV, IF, and Erotomania, but the quality has gone down a bit. If you listen to the rhythm guitar, there ar a lot more one note type rifs, that is, no chordal stuff like I&W. I like the more Rush-influenced stuff. Despite all this, though, William, isn't 15% of a Jam a little much? Just chastizing gently, not flaming. Be well. Anxiously awaiting, Matt B ==================== "You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The Great Muppet Movie) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 20:18:06 -0800 From: Brian To: email_address_removed Subject: arrgh.... Message-ID: To anyone who I have been in contact with... My isp's mail is screwed up so any mail sent to me or any of my aliases, including my dreamt.org account, will be bounced back. Sorry for the inconvenince. I'll let you know when the mail is back up ======================================================================== "Are you gonna bark all day, little ----- doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ---- bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ---- Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - -- "Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - - drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - - you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - -- Against The Machine ---- - - - ---- later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ---- ----- ======================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 20:25:54 -0500 (EST) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: NEW MATERIAL Message-ID: Does anyone know of a website where I can download any new material??? Thanks Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 20:21:45 -0800 From: Hector Crisantes To: email_address_removed Subject: My horror story!!!! Message-ID: I Broke My AWAKE CD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:16:39 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Bogus Nothings Message-ID: > From: "Elv" > Subject: VAUXDVIHL ARGH! I've been looking EVERYWHERE for this band's albums! :) Maybe I can help them with an internet account... if they have a computer... > I say, let it rest on the band's head!!! > They get the record out soon, or I can't be responsible for > what happens to their careers!!! > There! I've said it! > Let the fire and brimstone fall where they may. ;) *And the crowd goes wild* Rick! Rick! Rick! Rick!!! > No, It takes three gerbils an hour of work each just to send an e-mail. > :) Now, let's be serious. As we all know already (from my constant > bitching and whining), Vermont is a cultural black hole. I'd liken it to the "Armpit of the Universe" > But, anyway, it's tough to find anything in Vermont that's not made in > Vermont. What DO they make in Vermont? (To satisfy the people who bitch about NDTC--) Do they make DT Merchandise? ( :PpPpPPPp ) Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC "Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 23:46:15 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: You're being a dick. Message-ID: From: William T Bajzek To: Multiple recipients of list You're being a dick. Anyone wanting the reasons why, e mail me and I'll send you what I send this guy privately. Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC "Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:15:53 -0500 (EST) From: Taco Belhai To: Dream Theater Subject: psychology of music (NDTC) Message-ID: Heya folks- I am in this class at school called "research methods in psychology." The course requires a major research paper on a topic that interests me. I was thinking about doing something relating to music since I love music so damn much. One possible idea is the effects of certain kinds of music on people and possible physiological reactions to the music. Then there's a topic of the effect of music while studying. If anybody has any other ideas that they think would work, please email me as I have to come up with a topic within a week. Thanks a lot. Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 00:14:23 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: new material and cool post wars Message-ID: after williams post full of "you're missing my point"s after every line, he concluded with > >i don't doubt that... I just really hope that that step further away >from I&W is stylistic, and not in quality. they're not going back to I&W anywhere i can see, its covered ground, its why skid row doesnt make albums full of high vocals and love songs, they rip your balls off now, dt is growing and evolving, i&w was a half a decade ago, i cant wait for the new album. i dont really enjoy comparing music, and overanalyzing, i just throw it on and look for whats good in it, theres usually quite a bit, especially in DT.. theres no judge of quality. there is no quality. no syle, no rules; only interpretation. i also add the possibility that a point missed in every instance is a point not well displayed. jam on :) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:21:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253 Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Feb 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > Anyone remember a band from the late 80's called Vain ? Of course. > I was just listening to them and noticed the record > was produced (and engineered + mixed)by Paul.. > Funny..DT is something WAY different than these > guys.. Well, David Prater (I&W & ACOS) also did the most recent Night Ranger album, the one without Jack Blades (although now he's rejoined them). So DT doesn't have to stick with prog producers.It's not a bad album either. And yes, the drums are triggered on it. Richie Personally, I'd love to see Michael Wagner do the album. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 01:21:05 -0500 From: "Kevin W. Madden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: You're being a dick. Message-ID: At 09:55 PM 2/7/97 -0800, you wrote: >From: William T Bajzek >To: Multiple recipients of list > > You're being a dick. > > Anyone wanting the reasons why, e mail me and I'll send you what I >send this guy privately. > > > Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener > A.K.A Madsman, on IRC Can't we all just be dicks together? I suggest you amend the .sig to "Musician, Listener, and Dick" Wait - *I* have now fallen prey to the incredible catching, spreading, and contagious dick disease! No, not *that* dick disease. Sheesh. Repeat after me, "Dick Dick Dick." Soon it will just be another syllable cluttering up the landscape of your lexicon. See, Catholic girls, dicks aren't so bad, after all. I must be in the mood to offend. Dick! /me stares into the reflective glare of his computer screen, and sees... a giant one-eyed....DICK!!! Help!! Free Clinc!!! Whatever. Real post to follow. Kevin GO WINGS!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:34:19 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Help! Need Metallica Bootleg! Message-ID: Hey Jammerz - While we all sit and stew about the continued absence of a new Dream Theater disc, I was hoping one of you could help me out. I apologize that this does not deal with Dream Theater, but I am DESPERATELY searching for Cliff Burton's last Metallica gig from Stockholm on CD (the entire 90 minute show, preferably). I can't remember exactly the date of the gig, but it was on the "Master Of Puppets" tour, and it was his final gig before his tragic death. I have the show on tape, and I think it was taken from a vinyl source, but I need it on CD. The show was KILLER! Anyway, sorry for wasting DT space, but if anyone can help, or knows somebody that can help, please E-Mail me privately with prices or details. Thanx, Jammerz! Rock on... - Matt T. ***** My love for you like ticking clock, BERZERKER!!!! ***** - "Clerks" :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 01:35:16 -0500 From: "Kevin W. Madden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Speaking of Vocal Subjects...MDTC (Marginal...) Message-ID: Today I was listening to a Queensryche boot of the PL tour, and I was struck by how much Geoff Tate's voice had declined over the years. This was made especially clear because also on this tape was included (thanks, Chuck) some material from the Warning tour (or pre tour - he mentions "forthcoming lp") and while the sound quality of the latter boot paled in comparison to the former, Tate's voice was hitting all the highs. I actually booed at the cassette deck in my car when he (on the PL tape) copped out of the "Take Hold of the Flame" screech and left it alone. My belabored (or belaboured) point of this is a simple question: Why does the range of the rock vocalist (I also submit Bruce Dickinson - listen to boots from 80-83) decline so with age? I understand it could be a combination of factors which have been mentioned in the past such as overuse (Bruce sang about 400 dates on the World Slavery Tour), bad habits, and the challenge of performing in front of amplified musicians, but I wonder if it could also be genetics. I notice Pavorotti has lost some range, but he is WAY out of shape, and damn old. Apples and Oranges, most likely. To link this to the marginal DTC I advertised, I wonder whether this same phenomenon will befall James LB. It may be too soon to tell, but he is near the age of Tate and Dickinson, though I doubt he has performed the sheer number of dates they have. I also wonder why the vocalist can't be "turned up" so to speak in order that he need not sing so loudly. Is it a matter of hearing oneself in the mix? You can tell I am not a musician by these layman-like questions and observations, but when some vocalists decline, and others do not (Halford, for example), I, like the lyrics to an obscure Flotsam and Jetsam tune, wonder why I wonder why why why. Ok. Good night. Let he who is not a dick cast the first....well, nevermind. Kevin GO WINGS!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 23:40:01 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: MY letter to BEastWest (fwd) Message-ID: Hey all, Someone asked for a form letter, so I'm throwing mine out there on the table too. >Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:18:47 >To: email_address_removed >From: "Vincent G. LuPone" >Subject: Fan request. > >To whom it may concern, > Hello, my name is Vince, and I am a Dream Theater fan. As you know, they have a whole slew of new material waiting to be released, and your recording company has yet to land them in a studio to record their next album. > Do you realize what a cash cow you're missing here? With the resurgence of bands like Van Halen, Metallica, Queensryche, Motley Crue, Megadeth, etc. the genre of heavy metal is steadily gaining ground on alternative pop music. Another big genre is that of progressive rock which is spearheaded by bands such as Rush and Dream Theater. These bands have sold millions upon millions of albums worldwide and they all keep their fans in stitches waiting for new releases. Being as technically proficient as they are, and now that their songs are getting heavier, Dream Theater could very well be THE BAND that launches metal back into popular status. If you don't put them in the studio soon, they're probably going to give up on your company and take their music elsewhere. Can you imagine how stupid East/West would look if Dream Theater went to another label and sold 10 million copies? People would say,"Well, how come they couldn't do this with East/West Records? Same band. East West MUST be an inferior company." > Do you really want people saying that. That could be the end of your company. So many record labels have gone under as a result of this type of mediocre thought. Please don't follow suit. Get Dream Theater in the studio where they belong, immediately. This is a request of one of your customers. Remember the first rule of good business. The customer is *always* correct. > > Thank you for your time and consideration. > > Sincerely, > > Vincent G. LuPone > email_address_removed > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 08:28:01 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253 Message-ID: Richard A. Rivera wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Feb 1997 email_address_removed wrote: > > > >rs.It's not a bad album either. And > yes, the drums are triggered on it. > > Richie > > Personally, I'd love to see Michael Wagner do the album. hehe ...my choice would be.. (puts his flame resistant suit on) fleming rassmusen (i think thats it the guy who produced and justice for metallica) anyway..the guy who prodcued ajfa.. ive always imagined how mike would sound with lar's drum sounds.which i always love cuz you can get thewhole effect..very powerfull too... :) Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage to face its implications-Ian Malcolm mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 09:32:11 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Taylor) To: email_address_removed Subject: Dead Winter Dead Message-ID: Hey all! Long time since I've posted on this list, but I just wanted to put in a good word or 2 for this album. I just got it a couple of days ago, and I think I've listened to it about a zillion times already. This album is simply *incredible*! The instrumentals (Mozart & Madness, Christmas Eve) kick some major ass, and the little "Ode To Joy" piece, Memory, is just *too* cool! The end of Not What You See, with all the layered vocals, sends chills up my spine everytime I hear it. It's one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard! I remember around Christmas, someone on the list said that you should only get DWD if you're really into classical music. I would have to disagree with this statement. While I don't hate classical (my dad listens to a lot of Mozart and Beethoven), it's not exactly the type of stuff I normally listen to, and as I've already said, I love DWD. I think that most fans of DT's music would really appreciate this album. So in summary, if you don't already have this album, what the hell are you waiting for man?! Go get it now! You won't be disappointed. Later, Jeff "Here in this labyrinth of lost mystery I close my eyes on this night And you're all that I see." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 10:44:30 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: hello Message-ID: hello its me carlos alfaro..this is my other mail account.. well i was wondering if this was discussed before..when awake came out.. does anyone think that the ending of Inocence faded is very reminiscent to dixie dregs?!?? ...man i bought 2 dreg records and after listennin to them and then listening to IF i was like..whoa sh*t.. this songs endind is pure dregs! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 09:01:01 -0600 From: Madelaine To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM stuff, picky stuff, etc. Message-ID: >From: CORNHOLIO >But I agree there's a lot of DT-clones. I'm a fan of DT, but I don't >even take the trouble listening when bands are compared to >DT/Queensryche nowadays. Most bands just can't play this music in a >natural way; they might try something else. I can't help but AGREE with you... :) I was at Impulse a few weeks ago (yes, same Impulse that does the mail order stuff) and they said "Here, you'll like this, this is REALLY like old Queensryche stuff". And, yes, it was. A little TOO much! They had "QR chords", "QR changes", and even a false Geoff Tate! However, it just sounded TOO false...left a bad taste in my mouth... :P (Which, of course, I will need some Veryfine Fruit Punch to rinse my mouth out with... *grin*) >From: William T Bajzek >whew, man. Whew, yourself! Do you have a personal vendetta against Chris because he doesn't agree with you??? *Madelaine attacks Billy-boy with a nit comb... Ooh! Look, everyone!! Gather round!! I found that William has CLAY FEET!!! Ooh! Sorry, but I do get rather offended when people turn a rather interesting debate to an attack on personal character. What you did was really uncalled for. On the DTC homefront... Do we have any game programmers out there?? Because we could all work together and make a DT game, sort of like the Queensryche "Promised Land" CD rom! :) Here, I've got Kai's Bryce to make neat Myst-esque landscapes...all we need is to kidnap the band for a week and make live video clips to embed... And then we could include the new album as Disc 2! Hmm.. "Dream Theater: The Search for Reasonably-Priced Studio Time!" *grin* -Maddy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 10:29:23 -0500 From: "Kevin W. Madden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Flemming Rasmussen as producer Message-ID: Someone suggested this and actually thought he would have to don a flame-proof suit for even the thought. Man, if you have ever listened to Blind Guardian, for which he is the producer, at least lately, you would see that your idea is quite a valid one. Sure, many have complained about AJFA's "wide" bass tone, etc, but I think this would be a very interesting, though unlikely, choice for producer. Listen to Imaginations ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2255 **************************