YTSEJAM Digest 2235 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Lip Synching by email_address_removed 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2234 by Tim 3) beavis and butthead by email_address_removed 4) Re: Opinions and Metal Church by Stephen Daedalus 5) stuff by Rick Audet 6) fred pickups in the neck and other horrors by email_address_removed 7) Built to Spill? by "John R. Kotzian" 8) Re: fred pickups in the neck and other horrors by "KorgX3" 9) DT rap by email_address_removed 10) a week old review by email_address_removed 11) Well... by "Vincent G. LuPone" 12) To anti-Type-O-Negativity.... by email_address_removed 13) MegaFaq by Mark Smeets 14) NDTC- Marillion fans only! by email_address_removed 15) Lip Synching and the jam by Anthony G LaSorsa 16) Re: Type O and goth stuff by William T Bajzek 17) Re: Type O and goth stuff by Anton Max ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:30:00 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Lip Synching Message-ID: > All of this talk about lip synching (Bush, Motley Crue, entire Superbowl > Halftime Show) has got me sort of depressed. Could this be the end of > true live performance as we know it? How can anyone respect a band that > fakes it live instead of just getting up there and kicking ass? That's > why I love DT- not only do they PERFORM their music, but they mess > around with the arrangements of a lot of their songs just to keep the > music fresh (not that it would ever get old anyways). This was > especially evident during the Fix For 96 shows. Hopefully, when the new > album comes out, DT will save the (music) world! > > -Jon Dery No $#!+. It's bad enuff that Bush can't play a song with more than one chord, that they have to LIPSYNC to the friggin' thing. It kinda makes ya wonder....does NIN lipsync live performances? With the midi already taking care of the instruments, and the vocalists lipsyncing, bands will require LESS talent to sell the "next big thing." :P I'm just bitter. I was sleeping through the AMA last night, and I missed Metallifuckin'A. ~Eckie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:53:13 -0500 From: Tim To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2234 Message-ID: A Scanned picture of Chris Collins? Give me about a week, and I can email it to you. I've got a great Majesty press kit that included 2 8x10 black and white glossy's of the band (with chris collins) which i will scan if I can locate them (in my messy den)... .Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:15:54 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: beavis and butthead Message-ID: hello all i was channel surfing the other day and i saw a comercial for the new season of beavis and butthead...in the background you can hear some music...now at first i thought i was hearing things but thn i saw the comercial again and well it sounds exactly like a part of the drum solo in the Mind Control bootleg...can anyone tell me if that is actually part of a dream theater song or was mike portnoy and john petrucci borrowing from some other song??? thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:47:26 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Opinions and Metal Church Message-ID: First off, I want to thank Mike Bahrr for responding without an ounce of defensiveness to my TON attack. It really wasn't an attack, I just really dislike them and wanted to make that known to people gathering opinions. And... Can someone tell me about Metal Church? I slobber of great guitar work and I think I heard some from Metal Church before the last Metalica show. Please inlighten me. Be well. Matt B "The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:54:33 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: email_address_removed Subject: stuff Message-ID: Durnik wrote, > Shit, I can't think of anything MORE appropriate to post here! :) >They might as well call this list the YtseBoot. After all, who all here >has NOT heard the Xmas '95 Birch Hill show? Raise hands? Yup, that's about >what I figured. Um... why am I the only one with a hand in the air? Don't tell me I'm the only one. Am I? Regarding Type O Negative, I'd like to thank Mr. Bahr for having posted on this topic a few months ago. I had never heard any of their stuff, and a friend repeatedly claimed that "they suck". But having read his review and description of how they've evolved to generate such a success as October Rust, I had to buy it. So I did, and so I love it. Which reminds me... One of my first impressions after listening to October Rust, is the similar atmospheric quality as that of the Cocteau Twins, and The Cure. For those of you looking to expand musical horizons even more, I highly recommend these two artists. I shouldn't need to comment on The Cure considering how widely known they are, but if you're looking for a starting place, I'd point to "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me", and "Disintegration". Working backwards chronologically works well from there, with each step being a small one into their history. Their older stuff is quite different from their more recent stuff, as is typical of most bands. And as far as Cocteau Twins is concerned, they possess some of the same ethereal quality as is contained in "October Rust", minus the edge and the deep male voice. They have a female singer who doubles her vocal parts most of the time with unison or a third. The lyrics, surprisingly enough, are in English, but are next to impossible to understand. I had once heard that they don't write lyrics, and simply sing syllables to sound like some unknown language, but I was since shown otherwise. I recommend starting with "Heaven Or Las Vegas", "Blue Bell Knoll", and "Four Calendar Cafe", in that order. If those are appealing, then working backwards into their releases is the next step. If any other Jammers are also into these two band like I am, I'd be happy to hear about it, so I don't feel so alone. By the way, I'm proud to announce the arrival of the following CD's to my collection: Spock's Beard, "The Light"; Spock's Beard, "Beware of Darkness"; Angra, "Holy Land"; Eldritch, "Seeds of Rage"; Symphony-X, s/t. My thanks to who make the Jam what it is: a resource. Onward... -Rick Audet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:55:22 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: fred pickups in the neck and other horrors Message-ID: seeing all this talk about pickups had me wondering.....does anyone have a fred on their neck? that must sound interesting, to say the least. it seems like so much a bridge pickup....i have it on my satch guitar on the bridge, and it just hurts the brain. mine is a little warmer than most freds (i have the mahogany, no-trem js model6), and it's neato. on my perverted ibanez, i just ordered the air norton and steve's special in homage to my man jp. to close it off i added an hs-2 (i think- i forget). add a little coil splitter, and hey! you got anal rape in the house. dimarzio just released their 97 catalog, and it's got cool stuff, including an interview with petrucci. as for duncans, some of them are cool, but at the same time, i just can't dig em. had a 59 on my neck (humfucker) and it was so sweet, i thought i was brian may for a while, but i like the norton better now. ytsegoon **************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi email_address_removed email_address_removed "until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead, the faithful live awake, the rest remain misled." **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:57:22 -0500 (EST) From: "John R. Kotzian" To: email_address_removed (Explore The Boundries) Subject: Built to Spill? Message-ID: Has anyone heard Built to Spill? Rolling Stone described them as Progressive Rock, also saying Rick Wakeman would nod his head and say, "There one of us." -me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:16:29 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: fred pickups in the neck and other horrors Message-ID: > seeing all this talk about pickups had me wondering.....does anyone have a > fred on their neck? that must sound interesting, to say the least. it seems It was always my assumption that FREDs were more of a neck pickup, even though DM makes them for either, I'd rather prefer the warmer pickup in the neck and the dirty one in the bridge. (shrug) Throw a Fast Track 2 or something in the mid so you get 3 humbuckers. Kinduv overkill, but I like it. :) > dimarzio just released their 97 catalog, and it's got cool stuff, including > an interview with petrucci. An didya notice how they put his pic in the single coil section of the cat? I thought that was funny considering he doesn't use em (interferes with his picking, ya know). Kewl red eyes in the pick, but I'm afraid those huge zippers'll scratch that lovely guitar there John. :) > of Darkness"; Angra, "Holy Land"; Eldritch, "Seeds of Rage"; > Symphony-X, s/t. I can't believe how many bands and CDs this jam has gotten me into. I swear half of last years income went to supporting my musical addictiong (in fact, I know it did). Anyone know a good place to find these Symphony-X, Eldritch, and Angra's Angels Cry CDs to help contribute to my delinquency? Which do I need to order import and which are domestic? I tried Angels Cry on import today and all that was there was Holy Land (which I got and it's excellent, A+). BTW, Bernd, everytime I listen to Behind, the more I like it. This is just too damn kewl. Laterz! KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:22:18 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: DT rap Message-ID: Heya everybody! I don't post much on here all on account of my crap ass server. It's pretty moody and won't let me post on the jam sometimes, but that's not what I'm "waisting bandwidth" for in this post.... It seems our good buddy Vince found a "Jive" machine, wherein you can submit any number of phrases, sentences, or in this case, songs, and get the "jive" translation. Is this the first major technological leap for Ebonics? Who knows.... You all should enjoy this one. I just pray Vince didn't send it to the jam before I did. Read on, and live prosperously. And feed your caribou. ~Eckie >Subject, dig dis: "Lie" > >"Lie" >Dream Deater > >Dayboogie >At da damn bottom uh a lake >It's some hundred degrees ah' can't breade >And ah' won't git out >'till ah' figure it out >Dought I'm weak likes ah' can't recon' >So ya' tell me "trust me" ah' can trust ya' >Just let me show ya' >But ah' gotsta wo'k it out in some shadow uh doubt >'cause ah' duzn't know if ah' know ya' > >Doin' fine but duzn't wuzte mah' time >Tell me whut it be ya' wanna say >You's sin, ya' win, plum let me in - hurry >I've been out in foodspoon de rain all day >So ya' tell me "trust me" ah' can trust ya' >As far as ah' can drow ya' >And I'm tryin' t'get out uh a shadow uh doubt >'cause ah' duzn't know if ah' know ya' > >Cho'us, dig dis: >Don't tell me ya' wants'ed me >Don't tell me ya' dought uh me >I won't, ah' swear ah' won't >(Did) >I'll try, ah' swear I'll try >(Lie) > >Moda' Mary quite contrary >Kiss de boys and make dem wary >Din's are gittin' plum a little bit scary >It's some wonda' I kin still breade >Neva' been much uh a doubtin' Domas >But nodin' boogies likes some bugger'd promise >You's tell me about yo' two mo'e comin' >But once be plum enough fo' me >Repeat Cho'us >I had gotsten used t'bein' some soul destroyed >She comes in apparently t'fill de void >All dogs need some leash and > At least I'll fo'get it >And she would neva' hurt me dough > She's neva' said it >But I'm not gonna ax' ha' today >I duzn't wanna scare ha' away, oh >Yo' town, I'm all alone >And ah' plum can't stare at da damn phone >I wanna rapp about lifelong mis snatch'd >and ya' kin tell yo' stepfada' I said so >Repeat Cho'us > >========= >greetin' >JIBE at da Department uh Computa' Science, University uh Zurich > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:38:49 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: a week old review Message-ID: hi there.....i meant to get this out about a week ago, but i've been a bit busy. i saw annie haslam live at the bottom line in nyc, on the 18th. she was the lead singer of the 70s band renaissance, a phenomenal (one of the best) but oft-overlooked band from the art rock era. they were the first rock band to play carnegie hall, and did with the ny philharmonic. anyways, she did 2 sets, of which i was at the first one. great opening band called the nudes. folky cellist/guitar duo..... annie herself came on playing mostly new solo material....not bad, but i never really dug it. mentioned a piece she did with steve howe that;s coming out on an album soon.... she was great with the audience, cracking jokes and all. the best was when she introduced the drummer, he was forced to come out and do his "trick" for the crowd. he came up to the mic, spoke, then proceeded to sing renaissance classic "carpet of the sun".....backwards! yes, backwards!!!!! funny shit. her band sounded great. young guys (made me think of cher with her pretty boy band). drummer was awesome. reminded me of manu katche, who i worship over even portnoy (gasp! don't hate me, please). anyway, she finished the set with 2 old renaissance songs, "the prince and the princess" from "scheherazade, and "ashes are burning", which was particularly amazing. all in all, a great show, and i only wish i had the 17.50 to go to the 2nd set. alas. she also said that there will be a new release of renaissance- from the king biscuit flower hour, it's a live at the royal albert hall album. features the london symphony orchestra, and it will be in 2 volumes, released in feb. and march. i urge anyone who knows not of what i speak go check an album of theirs out, particularly "prologue", "ashes are burning", "turn of the cards" and "scheherazade and other stories." ok. there. if anyone else has seen her recently and beento the 2nd set. please email me- i'd like to know what she played. thanks. ytsegoon **************************************************************** david kobayashi email_address_removed email_address_removed "my yellow in this case is not so mellow, in fact, i'm trying to say it's frightened like me. and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix "through nature's inflexible grace, i'm learning to live." - j. myung **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:47:03 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Well... Message-ID: At 11:27 PM 1/28/97 -0800, you wrote: >It seems our good buddy Vince found a "Jive" machine, wherein you can Actually, someone posted the e-mail address for this "jive" e-mail program on the Ytsejam a few days ago. I was just putting it to the test. E-mail me if you want to see some more of these (senseless pieces of....) ;)~ Laterz, Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince (http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl) ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 1997 03:32:20 CDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: To anti-Type-O-Negativity.... Message-ID: YT>From: Stephen Daedalus YT>Subject: Re: Type O YT>is terrible IMO. They're a bunch of wanabe goth players. I think the YT>keyboardist is the only one with tallent. Their lyrics are so fucking YT>pretensive. If you want true quality goth metal, try My Dying Bride. YT>The lead guitar work isn't great, but it's absolutely wonderful. As for YT>Type O, anyone who says "loving you is like fuckin' the dead" is obviously YT>not too skilled a lyricist. Be well. YT>Matt B Ok, Matt - you're officially astray, in my book. Books are much more significant than opinions, because they're permanent;) I hate the fact that you don't like ToN, because even though they're not a proggish-type band, they still capture my attention (no mean feat). There's something there that is not ordinary, but it's not obvious on first, second, or even tenth listen. It's there, though, and I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it is. However, judging from the 100 or so posts from your FAQ-ignoring personage during the last month, you should not be attacking the lingual output of Peter Steele! Thank you. Drink more beer - it raises your tolerance for everything! Mark Peters - email_address_removed http://www.twav.com/swifty/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:01:49 PST From: Mark Smeets To: email_address_removed Subject: MegaFaq Message-ID: ** Reply to note from email_address_removed 01/28/97 8:43pm -0800 Hi everyone, Time for my usual blurb about the Megadeth Faq. It's updated again and also in the newsgroups (check alt.rock.n.roll.metal, alt.rock.n.roll.heavy and finally, the megadeth one) I never realized how big the damn thing is, so, if you don't want to recieve it through email, head to my web page and read the text version there. The Web page version isn't updated yet, because I'm making a new web page for it. If ya want a copy, by private email only please. Mark *You must unlearned, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned something. - Yoda, Star Wars *I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets *You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars Check out the Megadeth Faq: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/FRONT.HTM My Page: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 03:52:10 -0800 From: email_address_removed Subject: NDTC- Marillion fans only! Message-ID: Sorry for the NDTC, but I know there are a lot of marillion fans on the jam. If you are a big marillion fan, but not on their list, and want to see them tour the US, especially the west coast, read on.. The marillion fans are putting together a fund to supplement marillion's touring the US. They are pledging as much as possible (50 to 200 per person usually). If interested, email me privately at email_address_removed. and I will foward it to the right place. You don't need to send money now, only if this plan comes together. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:22:04 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony G LaSorsa To: email_address_removed Subject: Lip Synching and the jam Message-ID: Hello all! I just read the last jam, (2234) and someone spoke about Motley Crue lip synching at the AMA. The only reason that I could think of why Motley Crue would do that is because the AMA is such a planned out program. The band can't be too loud, or swear, or anything, because its on TV and whatnot. I'm sure that the Crue would really play if they were on their own turf (their own concert). And lastly, I see all these people complaining about some of the threads that come up. Yes, most of them don't have to do with Dream Theater, but that's because nothing is really going on with our favorite band. When their new album comes out, everybody will send in their opinions of the disc and reviews of concerts which they saw. We all like DT, and consequently similar bands and styles, so that's why there is talk of QR, Rush, Marillon, Altura, etc, etc. This jam has helped me get in touch with a lot of people that have certain music that I don't. I've traded tapes with people, and have finally located someone that has live videos of another one of my favorite bands. The information going through the jam is great. With the Van Halen thing, the story broke hear and there on the the jam and the internet like three months before MTV said a word about it. This jam F*%king rules!! Dt rocks. (DTC) :) Tony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:45:32 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Type O and goth stuff Message-ID: i don't know much about type o negative, although i've been meaning to give them a listen... however, i just want to remind you all that if you're looking for good goth metal, well, Braindance! Braindance! I also agree that My Dying Bride is very good, but their latest album, "The Angel And The Dark River," is just way too repetitive... the music is cool, but the repetitivity bored me. i don't see why people like repetitivity so much... especially a band that is as capable as they are. oh well. William (email_address_removed) http://phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu/~wb2a/ ====================================================================== if you could see me all would stop * you would feel my power and when you feed me i will spark * i will start a fire ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:59:30 -0500 (EST) From: Anton Max To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Type O and goth stuff Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, William T Bajzek wrote: > i don't know much about type o negative, although i've been meaning to > give them a listen... however, i just want to remind you all that if > you're looking for good goth metal, well, Braindance! Braindance! > Type 0 did some cool stuff on the Descent 2 soundtrack. -max Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2235 **************************