YTSEJAM Digest 2219 Today's Topics: 1) Really stupid topic... skip this... by "KorgX3" 2) Re: Swapped Binary by "KorgX3" 3) Jan Hammer by email_address_removed 4) Re: Keyboard instructional, toys by Stephen Daedalus 5) Chic Corea by Stephen Daedalus 6) JLB/Chester Thompson/What I'm Doing by email_address_removed 7) Chester by The Digital Man 8) RE: Believer by Matthew Travis 9) See yis by Nigel Bridgeman 10) Re: Portnoy at NAMM by "Eddie J Cooper" 11) Dorks from Alabama and Georgia! by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" 12) The Jon Finn Group (little DTC) by email_address_removed 13) NDTC - Magellan/Kaiser by Eddy M 14) Burner.... by Timothy Adams 15) Zebra (no DTC) by "Mike Patrick" 16) Guitar, Victor... by Andrew Forcier 17) Correction... by Andrew Forcier 18) X Bands / King's X by email_address_removed (Tom Baddley) 19) Comments on DT's Fans by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:00:50 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Really stupid topic... skip this... Message-ID: > Sinter Klaus brought me a copy of Queensryche's "Promised Land" CD-ROM. > Extremely cool and all, but... Why does it have to be so hard?! I beat > Scott Rockenfield's damn drum puzzle, and it still didn't give me the > totem piece! Waaah! I wanna hear the new song... Mail me privately and I'll give you the stupid duh code that gets you there. I was sick of not finding the totem in Eddie's world (found it in Scott and Geoff's) so I thought, "They're not stupid enuff to use this code as the final crack are they, or did theythink I'm not stupid enuff to try it?" Anyway, slap yourself in the forehead and try the most obviuos, if it don't work mail me. > My brother got these toys for Christmas called "Beast Wars". Your > typical Transformers rip-off (very blatant too -- gorillabot is named > "Optimus Primate"). Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there another > series of toys also by the name of "Beast Wars" several years ago? They > were little rubbery action figures standing maybe half the height of a > G.I. Joe, and had animal heads. I've got one somewhere, a tapirman > missing its arms, but no box/wrapping to check the product "name". > Anyone care to shed some light on this conundrum? OK this is waaaay of topix. :) Browsing around for a frisbee for the mutt in King's I saw these Beast Wars things. Granted they look like T-Former rip-offs, but maybe that's cuz Transformers was written in little lettering over the Beast Wars logo. (at least the ones I saw had that). Also, the other tooys you were thinking of were called Battle Beasts. You remember, the stupid toys they sold so you could rub their bellys and make the wood, fire, or water symbol appear? My little brother collected every one they made and has em tucked away somewhere now. Damn little shit inherited all my GI Joe guys, too. I want my Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes back, dammit. :P :Later... KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:09:19 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Swapped Binary Message-ID: > Yeah, he HAS been around for a long time. He's done a number of things, > including the movie and telvision themes, some solo work...even that record > he did with Neal Schon (anyone remember that thing?) He's really a superior > player and probably the master of the pitch wheel -- he's a very guitaristic > player, like Derek. AHHHHH!!! What album is this? I try to collect everything that Neal Schon does. The guy is phenominal, imo. I even got that HSAS one he did with Sammy Hagar a long time ago, and Beyond the Thunder totally rules. Help me out on this so I can order it ASAP. :) Thanks. KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:36:29 -0800 From: email_address_removed Subject: Jan Hammer Message-ID: >Jan Hammer is most famous, unfortunately, as the composer of the theme for >TV's *Miami Vice*. Jan Hammer is also featured on some of the earlier Jeff >Beck solo albums. ---------- Jan also did an album with James Young from Styx after they broke up. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:47:47 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Keyboard instructional, toys Message-ID: I think Chic Korea put out a video. I'll Check it out and return. And they were battle beasts, damn it. "Wood!" "Fire! Fire burns wood! Fire!" "Water! Water puts out fire! Water" "Wood! Wood beats water!!!!" Yee hah! And God damn it, that the hell is a bafu anyway? Bye-bye. Be well. Matt B" "The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:57:25 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus To: email_address_removed Subject: Chic Corea Message-ID: OK. Chic's vidios (there two) are these: The Electric Workshop which covers creation of the synth sounds he uses; The Keyboard Workshop: Methedos of Composition, Improvization, and Practice. Hope this helps. Matt B "The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College) ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jan 1997 02:55:52 CDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: JLB/Chester Thompson/What I'm Doing Message-ID: YT> It seems that some place DT on way too high a pedestal..just an YT>opinion. Its not like I'm saying LaBrie completely sucks man!! Because YT>I know he obviously doesn't (his stuf on the RUSH Tribute is excellent). You know, Red Barchetta is fantastic on WM, but I think that it could have been better. How? Well, I will always be an admirer of JLB's voice. Unfortunately, on RB, his voice is saturated with a rich chorus effect. I think. James' vocals sound wonderful to me without effects, so the processing on RB kind of turned me off. I would've rather listened to James sing straight through an SM58, because he is in command of all the little things that make a voice sound good. He doesn't need electronic FX to cover up any shortcomings with his voice. And he's a nice guy, too:) YT>you know, i used to think it was chester thompson the genesis drummer to, wh YT>switched to keyboards, but it turns out it's not. the OTHER chester thompson YT>plays keyboards for tower of power. he's a fonky-ass mother too. if you need YT>some funk go check out "back to oakland" and dig it. YT>peace. YT>ytsegoon Koba, are you talking about the Chester Thompson that couldn't play "Montana" up to tempo on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Volume 2, Disc 2"? If so, "mad props" to you. (You'd think I was cool or something, if you didn't know better;) YT>From: Phillip Hats off to this man. Anyone else seen Rush in New Orleans besides Phillip and myself? OK, this Ytsejammer is spreading his butter quite thin. I have a job broadcasting basketball games live on the radio (no chance for DT, but I make a comment whenever the score is 21-12, believe me:). I also accepted the position of Music Director for the local community theater groups spring musical. And I was the snare drum judge at the All-State Band auditions last weekend. Busy-ness isn't necessarily a virtue.... And I loaned my CD copy of Awake to a friend of mine a week ago. She won't give it back. Good thing I still have my cassette copy (minus Scarred, but still...) Mark Peters email_address_removed PS - The DT song to crank if you have a cold - "Just Let Me Sneeze" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:34:23 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" Subject: Chester Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed > Subject: king's x and chester thompson > > to: d-man > re: chester thompson > > you know, i used to think it was chester thompson the genesis drummer to, who > switched to keyboards, but it turns out it's not. the OTHER chester thompson > plays keyboards for tower of power. he's a fonky-ass mother too. if you need Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I didn't realize there were two. My bad. Thanks, Koba. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:18:30 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew Travis To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: Believer Message-ID: H'llo, I have a copy of "Dimensions" by Believer in my hands right now and they were on R.E.X. with distribution through Roadracer/Roadrunner Records. It's a very interesting album. My atheist-goth-s&m-industrial-music-loving roommate was jamming to it until I told him to listen to the lyrics. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:36:44 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman To: email_address_removed Subject: See yis Message-ID: Hi Well, the time has come to pack my bags and move on to other things. I thank you all for some, shall I say, 'interesting' topics of conversation, most of which I did not contribute to (apart from the occasional sarcastic comment which went largely ignored, but sometimes offended some humourless jammer instead). But most of all, thank you from the bottom of my heart for broadening my horizons, music-wise. When I joined this list my favourite bands were Iron Maiden, Queensryche and Dream Theater. Now they include Rush, Savatage, Lemur Voice, Galactic Cowboys, King Crimson, Yes and Steve Vai (who I'm seeing in February). I've bought more cds from reading this list than I have in my entire life, and I thank you all once again. Just a comment about Eddy from Australia's 'Is Kirk Hammett a poofter?' comment... I actually thought it was a joke. I immediately thought back to that Monty Python skit, the Bruces. Bruce 1: Are you a poofter? Bruce 2: *Are* you a poofter? Michael: Uh, no, I'm not. Bruce 1: Good. That's rule 1 - no poofters! etc etc etc Well, I thought he was kidding, and I'm not sure if he's replied to the replies he's received... anyway, us Australians are much more reknowned for our humour and tomfoolery, aren't we? Well, ta ra! Might pop into #ytsejam now and again. Parting is such sweet sorrow... Goodbye... Spiff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:33:51 0 From: "Eddie J Cooper" To: "KorgX3" , Subject: Re: Portnoy at NAMM Message-ID: <9701230934.AA00851@sphinx> On 22 Jan 97, KorgX3 wrote about "Re: Portnoy at NAMM": > Yah, Mike plays Tama StarClassics now. Tis a good deal, cuz I like > Tama better than Mapex, and I think that Mike always has, too. I'd > take an endorsement from anyone who offered, though (an I don't even > play drums!) Any idea why Mike didn't like Mapex so much? I've just bought a new kit & Mapex was on my list of possibles since Mike brought them to my attention... Laterz Eddie };-)~ - "Hardware, n.: The parts of a computer system that can be kicked." - "Boy, life takes a long time to live..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 05:34:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Dorks from Alabama and Georgia! Message-ID: >From: email_address_removed >same thing) in the parking lot at BH with Alabama plates. Talk about >idiots - what kind of jackoff would drive that far just to see a >concert? Some DT fans just don't have a life, huh? Yeah! What a bunch of dorks who would drive all that way! Anyone that rode/drove with this guy should be shot on sight! Did the Alabama plates happen to have the CROMAGS on it?? hahaha! What dorks...8) But ya know, I'd do it again if they had another show two weeks from now...bwahahahhahahah!!! >And the DT song that would have been perfect on the way out of the BH >parking lot - "Just Let Me Leave" Or, "Just Let Me Leave John the Fucking Idiot Who Rode Back With Us In New Jersey." That's the song I really wanted to hear. Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm /| / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || A big hearty thanks to whoever recommended this disc. It's very cool and if you ask me he sounds like a cross between J Sat. and Danny Gatton (R.I.P.). But that's my humble, uneducated, non-guitar playing opinion. DTC: DREAM THEATRE ROCKS!!! Ack Thpft!! - Bill the Cat Trevor W. Hoit ¸ ---------------------------------------------------- The Gathering-Always $9 I Lethal-Maza $6 I Tonto's Expanding Head Band $6 I ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:39:14 -0800 From: Eddy M To: email_address_removed Subject: NDTC - Magellan/Kaiser Message-ID: Bret Kaiser was the lead vocalist in Madam X prior to Sebastian Bach. Franz Beckenbaur was the real Kaiser !! Eddy M Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:07:48 -0500 From: Timothy Adams To: email_address_removed Subject: Burner.... Message-ID: Chris said: "Are you thinking of dubbing cds, thus depriving artists of their hard earned royalties, forcing them to go back to menial labor and give up their arts as they are unable to support themselves my making music when the records can be reproduced illegally? If that's the case, then yes. :) CDs are just digital data, not unlike that Warcraft !! cd sitting on your desk. But the cost of blank CDs is not much less than that off the actual release (unless we're talking imports) and I'd gladly pay the extra $5 to get the original case and liners and everything." Actually, yes and no. I own some videos, (Lit) and a QR one which I want to record some of the songs off of. I like some versions on the videos better than some boots I own. I would NEVER do anything illegal... I hope my Mits vcr can put out a good quality sound. Thanks for the help... -Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:24:15 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" To: "DT" Subject: Zebra (no DTC) Message-ID: >Subsequent albums were disappointing. Whoa. Listen to the thrid one again. 'Who's Behind the Door' was a big hit and really drove the first album, but song-for-song, I think the third is better. And Randy Jackson's vocals on the third are not as forced/falsetto as the first. I have NEVER found the second on cd - was this one called 'Just Playing Games'? I remember a few years ago that there was a Randy Jackson solo album called 'China Rain', (or that was the name of the band he formed) advertised in Guitar World, but I NEVER saw it in the stores. Unrelated question: Who plays the guitar solo in Testament's 'Return to Serenity'? James Murphy was in Testament after Skolnick, right? I know this was right around the time of Skolnick's departure, so is it him or Murphy? This one falls into the category, 'My favorite solos on albums I have no intention of ever owning'. Another is Zakk Wylde's on 'No More Tears'. Mike Patrick InfoTech Consulting, Inc. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:46:40 -0800 From: Andrew Forcier To: email_address_removed Subject: Guitar, Victor... Message-ID: Hiya! First off, thanks to all for the help on the fret situation. Silly me, I said Warlock when I meant Warmoth. One sells guitars, the other sells parts. Doh! I paid very little for the guitar I got ($375) because the artwork has a degree of cheesiness to it (black laqcuer with red glitter mixed in), but I love it to death. It's so damn playable! I just want to make sure I take good care of it. After playing guitar for eight years you'd think I know how... Next question: Does anyone know if the tone on Satch songs Day at the Beach and Baroque are from his FRED humbucker? I know, I know: how specific can I get? But I'm in the market for new pickups and Joe's tone is amazing. I've also heard the Screamin' Demon is an excellent pickup. Any recommendations? I play a lot of clean and chorused clean, but when I go for distortion, I like the sound that Joe gets, or Marty Friedman. Not that I'm Joe or Marty... To Philip, who just got Victor: what tracks stood out to you on the first listen? I'm curious because with an album so diverse as this, things really stand out. For me it was Strip and Go Naked and The Big Dance. And to all those Savatage loving Jammers out there: I love you, man. Without you, I would not have found Dead Winter Dead, an album steadily climbing my charts of best album EVER!!!!! As for TSO, I wish they had saved some of the instrumental tracks for later in the album, the last half is very *vocals heavy*. Not that that's a bad thing; the album still rules. Three days till SB XXX (BACK THE PACK!). Eight days till Star Wars. Eighteen days till Nuno. Forty days till Queensryche. And who knows how goddamn long till Dream Theater... Andrew _____________________ When the music stops, There's only the sound of the rain... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:50:20 -0800 From: Andrew Forcier To: email_address_removed Subject: Correction... Message-ID: Oops! Ahem... Three days till Super Bowl XXXI (BACK THE PACK!). I'm such a dumbass. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:13:12 GMT From: email_address_removed (Tom Baddley) To: email_address_removed Subject: X Bands / King's X Message-ID: >speaking of all the x bands, anyone know what's the deal with the daddy of >them all, king's x? last i heard was that atlantic had dropped them off their >label. did they sign with a new one? they recording anything? any info would >be appreciated. King's X were dropped by Atlantic during the middle of their Ear Candy tour last year around September. They are still very much together, and have recorded several new songs for their seventh album. They are distributing them around in hopes of finding a record company that will treat them right. Using RealAudio, you can hear very short segments of two of their new songs at the Official King's X Web Page, run by the band. The address is http://www.compassnet.com/grump/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:24:05 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Comments on DT's Fans Message-ID: I know that the majority of this post shouldn't be on the jam but hey, there has been alot of this lately. >same thing) in the parking lot at BH with Alabama plates. Talk about >idiots - what kind of jackoff would drive that far just to see a >concert? Some DT fans just don't have a life, huh? > >Mark Peters >email_address_removed Mr. Peters. A lot of people outside of the internet community would consider you an "idoit" or a "jackoff" because you subscribe to and read an internet mailing list. I believe a fan making the trip from Alabama to New Jersey to see the Fix for 96 show at Birch Hill is great. Of course I am biased. I flew from Memphis, TN to Philadelphia and then drove 60+ miles to Old Bridge to see DT. I do not consider myself an "idiot" or "jackoff". You know what... If they were playing this weekend I would do it again. I have been a fan for 3 years and have never had the opportunity see them live. I considered it sort of a vacation. I am sure you were expressing your opinion however you step over the line when you call other people derogatory names based on how they spend their time. A more appropriate statement would have been "I would not drive that far to see a concert". > It seems that some place DT on way too high a pedestal..just an >opinion. Its not like I'm saying LaBrie completely sucks man!! Because The jam is a great source of information on DT and many other progressive bands. My CD collection has increased with quality CDs (Lemur Voice, Shadow Gallery, Enchant, Fates Warning) since joining this list. But remember this. The Ytsejam mailing list is a mailing list of DT fans. I am sure there are plenty of "better" musicians in the world. I say "better" for lack of another word. I am not sure what "better" means when comparing music or muscianship. I try not to compare music or musicians. I may form an opinion as to whether I like something or not but I do not say one band is better than another because I happen to like them. Technically proficiency aside I believe there was a chemistry between the members of Dream Theater (Kevin Moore era) that does not exist in many bands. I love listening to progressive music and shredding guitarists as much as the next guy but DT's music moves me. Listening to songs like ACOS, LtL, etc. gives me chills. From what I have heard of the new songs (the 5 they played at BH) I believe Derek will fit right in and the music from the new CD will move me just as much. IMO it is out of line to knock a DT fan for putting them on a pedastal... especially on a fan mailing list dedicated to DT. Sorry for taking up space on the jam but these two comments hit me harder then most. I can usually overlook these things. Anxiously awaiting my DTIFC package!!!!! Richard Warren email_address_removed "Cherish your life while your still around." - Dream Theater ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2219 **************************