YTSEJAM Digest 2209 Today's Topics: 1) Streets revisited/Call for Skadz by Pat Daugherty 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2208 by email_address_removed 3) no more by email_address_removed 4) RE: Tribal Tech by Walter Semerenko 5) right on Buster by Steven Thum 6) more DT impersonation bands by Fernando Ma 7) swamped revision by email_address_removed 8) by Pat Sullivan 9) RE: Jason Becker "Perspective" by Sava Web 10) RE: Some lines on musical impact by "Mark Hatch-Miller" 11) NEW DT by "Scott L. Vanek" 12) Re: Spiral Architect by "A.R. Bell" 13) John Finn by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" 14) Apologies all around by "Brian Henderson" 15) Re:Dream Theater in Metal Edge by Mike Estok 16) by 17) Jason Becker & Steve Morse (what a combo) by Phil Carter 18) Cacophony: Marty Friedman & Jason Becker by "Louie The Drunken Irishman" 19) Fix for 96 pix... by Brian Wherry 20) Daffy-nitions by Randall Braun 21) Ummmm..... Dream who? by Andrew Forcier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:31:30 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Streets revisited/Call for Skadz Message-ID: I went back to listen to Streets again and well... Jon Oliva's voice just doesn't do it for me. Sure his voice is tolerable and the music is excellent but I prefer Zachary. Just my opinion... I think Skadz needs to take charge and end this homo thread that is going on endlessly... |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:27:13 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2208 Message-ID: if you take the time to find all you need in your mind. 'ah yeah' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: no more Message-ID: Sorry, but as someone mentioned in the last jam, I have been swamped with requests for the Fix 96 tapes and since I don't even have it yet coupled with the fact Dream Theater would prefer the tape not floating around I am taking no more names as of the 10:00pm central standard time. Thanks to all who have written, any request however after 10 will be ignored. Take the time. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:15:15 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: Tribal Tech Message-ID: At 07:19 PM 1/19/97 -0800, you wrote: >Yeah, Tribal Tech is my favorite fusion band. I think they might sound >quite different than DT, but very cool. They probably do better with their >own songs. Scott Henderson could definately handle John Petrucci's parts >and Gary Willis could surely handle the bass parts tho. The best Tribal Tech is _Illicit_ which has some intense and rocking songs. The other CD I have _Reality Check_ is a good one too. Some of their songs are more mellow, but some of it really rocks. Gary Willis has a solo album out called _No Sweat_. If anyone has this album, let me know what you think of it. Walter. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:15:10 -0800 From: Steven Thum To: "email_address_removed" Subject: right on Buster Message-ID: I just want to echo Buster's comments from a few 'jams ago about the nit-picking on James LaBrie. I think James is one of, if not the, best vocalist in rock music today, period. I have heard a lot of singers come and go. I worked as a rock DJ from '84-'91, and was even the Music Director at the college radio station I worked at (KBHU-FM, Black Hills State, Spearfish, SD) for two years, longer than anyone in that station's history. One of my jobs was to time out the intro's for ramps (talking over the music before the vocals start) and note how the songs ended. I had to do this for EVERY song on EVERY record the station put on-the-air. (we didn't do country, thank God). Needless to say, I have heard A LOT OF MUSIC. Dream Theater just blew me away the first time I heard them, and I went out and bought every CD from them I could find, including some of Mike Bahr's CDs. I have never done that with any other band I have heard. And the vocal work of James is a big reason why. James, if you do read this, let me just say, "keep up the good work!" I am behind you 100%. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:17:04 -0700 (MST) From: Fernando Ma To: ytsejam list Subject: more DT impersonation bands Message-ID: Vox: Frank Zappa Lead G: Stevie Ray Vaughn Rhythm G: The guys from Korn Bass: Trevor Dunn (Mr. Bungle) Keys: The guy from Mr. Bungle Sax (on AD): Lisa Simpson Fernando Ma Materials science & engineering University of Arizona http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma "I would like for this record to come out...and a blonde" - Derek Sherinian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:17:43 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: swamped revision Message-ID: Damn as I wrote the last piece three more people mailed me. So the revised time is 4:00 pm cst. Sorry, but other may have them soon as well, talk to them. Take the time. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:37:33 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Message-ID: >And that was a whole year ago! You should've heard him at the Fix shows! >HOLY SHIT! I was in awe! I did, I went to the Strand show, and I totally agree with you. I was only using the boots from the HFTH shows because I've *heard* those. :) ----- ________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: email_address_removed WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Tool - "Aenima" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:37:00 -0600 (CST) From: Sava Web To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: Jason Becker "Perspective" Message-ID: > Jason Becker's "Perspective": With the comments I have heard in the last > couple jams about this CD, I would LOVE to hear more about what's on it and > what type of music we are talking about here. Anything that has that great > of an emotional effect on folks is something I probably want to give a > listen to. > Perspective is much different that his earlier release "Perpetual Burn". Due to his condition he has elevated his song writing to a new level. The music is still very intense. He uses vocalists from time to time as the lead instrumement. This album does stir up tremendous emotion and will put things into perspective. Just turn out the lights, lay down on your bed, stare at the ceiling and crank the CD... you we be in for a hell of a journey!!! BTW: I am listening to it right now!!! My favorite song has to be Serrana. Later, Nathan Bradley -------------------------------------------------------------------------- email_address_removed Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages www.winternet.com/~savaweb www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:01:22 -0700 From: "Mark Hatch-Miller" To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: Some lines on musical impact Message-ID: > >> While I don't care for Bush, I had the opportunity to see Lush in concert >> last summer. They were excellent. Next time you say that a band "sucks", >> maybe you should elucidate why. > >This is why I love this list. We're always going back to 1955 (BTTF >content) and just repeating things over and over again. Here's a list of >some things that have been discussed at least twice: > >bands "sucking" and why we shouldn't say the bad word known as "suck" As the person to whom this is addressed (I wrote the letter that started this) I would like to explain that thing in that sig file was taken from the "Deep RUSH Thoughts" homepage. I am not responsible, I just found the page and turned a few that I thought were funny into sig files. The actual quote was "It's a good thing RUSH decided to use an "R" as the first letter of their name. Otherwise they might have been called "Bush" or Lush" and those bands suck." I tthought it was damn funny, and I didn't think anyone on THIS list would be offended by it. But since it did, I won't use it anymore. Mark //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Deep RUSH Thoughts: "Today's Tom Sawyer, he gets high on you..." Gee. Somebody should tell Tom about weed! It would be kinda hard for him to fit me in his bong. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:26:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Scott L. Vanek" To: email_address_removed Subject: NEW DT Message-ID: When is the new DT album suppose to be out? E-mail me please. Thanx. ****************************************************************************** Scott L. Vanek E-Mail Address: 347 B Building, L/L Center email_address_removed University Of Vermont **** Burlington, Vermont 05405-0384 (802)-656-6146 ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:35:42 -0600 From: "A.R. Bell" To: Subject: Re: Spiral Architect Message-ID: Hey all... I'm not sure if the band, 'Spiral Architect' has been brought up before on the Jam, but I just thought I'd mention them anyway...I picked up their demo about a month ago, and it is simply incredible. Anyone who is into highly technical metal will love it. I can't seem to locate the address to order it, but you can contact their drummer at the following email addr: asgeir@ogilvy.no It's a 15 minute cassette containing two tracks, and well worth the $5 (US). No...not an ad...I just think these guys deserve some recognition, especially since they are currently shopping for a label. On another note...Please, please, PLEASE no more Hammett! Oh please. Later... Aaron ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 97 12:05:25 -0800 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" To: email_address_removed Subject: John Finn Message-ID: Can anyone send me some information about John Finn? Does he have a CD out? Is his band called The John Finn Group? I remember he opened for DT at the start of the Awake tour (at Berklee) but I arrived late from New Hampshire and missed the opener. I've heard he is a monster guitarist (and I've read his columns in one of the guitar mags) and would appreciate any info on the man.. Thanks, -Neil. PS - Is it too early for a "Fix For 97" tour? =) /===============================================================\ | Neil Evans Phone: 415.506.3503 | | Server Technologies Division Fax: 415.506.7370 | | Oracle Corporation email: email_address_removed | \===============================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:45:42 -0500 From: "Brian Henderson" To: Subject: Apologies all around Message-ID: >And the award for creepiest post to the 'Jam goes to... > >I sure hope this is/was a joke. > >Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap >email_address_removed My ISP is, apparently, f*cked. Sorry for the unintentional 'Spamming. Since my ISP's spewing out all my old, vanished posts, maybe we'll see my long-missing Birch Hill travel-logue in the near future! We can only hope... Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:59:01 -0500 From: Mike Estok To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:Dream Theater in Metal Edge Message-ID: I would like to thank whoever posted the Metal Edge article on DT in the Ytsejam. It was very informative. This article excites me even more for their new cd. One sentence excited me the most. It mentioned how DT is taking a more "Song by song" approach where they play as a band for one song, rather instrument by instrument for the whole album, to create a vibe and a more personal song. YES! This is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear! Although I&W and Awake are my favorite albums of all time, this is the one aspect that was missing. I am bothered by the process of breaking up each instrument and just pasting them together. The result is the sound of many DT songs that sound like 5 instruments going at it, rather than one cohesive whole. Because of this segregated sound, many DT-bashers have decided that the music is un-emotional. Of course that is bullshit, however they have a point. When I listen to DT, I am shocked by the proficiency of the musicians, but the SONG does not completely take hold of me AS MUCH as a band such as Marillion (a band that really works together emotionally) I hope that made sense, it is not a bash on old DT. It is just me looking forward to the new cd. :) Michelob p.s. I've been listening to Genesis' "Trick of the Tail". Is it just me, or does the chorus of "Robbery, Assault, and Battery" sound disgustingly similar to the putrid song "Ebony and Ivory, go together in perfect harmony." ? :) ------------------------------ -Not the GOD I believe in!!! ..On Tori Amos on Lifetime this Friday, Jan25-TV Guide confirms, on at 9pm PST local cable, 1 hr, benefit for fighting domestic violence, if I remember, *featuring Tori Amos* I heard this band called *Majesty*, I think they'd do an excellent job as a Dream T cover band. Vox: Ian Gillan (the original screamer, good range, excellent vox control) Axe: Jeff Beck (some people forget how good this axe slayer is) Bas: Chris Squire (especially the unique Rickenbacher sound) Key: Jan Hammer (got the speed licks ala Mahavishnu Orchestra) Rox: Carl Palmer (favorite drum & percussion solos, IMHO) BTW, what is the current status of the upcoming Majesty CD's? I sent my $$ for the "next two", and so far not heard a word. I understand that the covers CD has been cancelled. A pointer to the most recent relevant Mike Bahr FAQ will suffice. (no phlegms, just a Matter of Time.) Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:08:48 -0500 From: Phil Carter To: email_address_removed Subject: Jason Becker & Steve Morse (what a combo) Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids...(pardon me, Mape, I just think that's a cool intro). Rob Campbell sez: >I have heard mention of the Steve Morse Band a couple days back and I saw >his CD in the local CD shop. I was wondering if anyone could give me a >little more info on what to expect from it so I know if I should run out and >pick it up. Please e-mail or post here with any valuable info you may have. Er, which CD? There's lots of Steve Morse and Steve Morse Band CDs out there. "Structural Damage," "Stressfest," "High Tension Wires," "Coast to Coast," "Southern Steel"... the list goes on. >Jason Becker's "Perspective": With the comments I have heard in the last >couple jams about this CD, I would LOVE to hear more about what's on it and >what type of music we are talking about here. Anything that has that great >of an emotional effect on folks is something I probably want to give a >listen to. It's difficult to say exactly what makes this CD so special. The songs are just so powerful that nearly every one awakens an emotion in almost everyone who listens to the disc. I've converted a number of people who don't even listen to instrumental music most of the time. "Primal," for example, is a pounding song with tribal drumbeats and a great keys track that runs through the entire song. Periodically there are bursts of searing guitar sound. Very primal -- takes you back to the days of the cavemen. Nice female vocals, and Steve Perry provides some vocals too. No lyrics though, just singing. "Rain" is a more introspective track but still excellent. "Higher" is a cool piece with several members of Voicestra providing vocal music to sing the song. No words, just vocals. Very different and very interesting. "The End of the Beginning" is unquestionably the best song on the disc. One of the best instrumental pieces of music I've ever heard -- hell, one of the best songs, period. It's got orchestra, beautiful guitar playing from Michael Lee Firkins, and even some progressive overtones. Lovely melody and powerful emotions -- this is the one that'll likely move you to tears. "Empire" is a nice piece with flute intro and a very Oriental feel to it. "Blue," if I'm not mistaken (I don't have the CD handy so I can't check the liner notes) was recorded by Jason when his disease hadn't progressed very far yet. It was more or less a straightforward recording but it's still guitar playing beyond most people's abilities. "Life and Death" -- well, you can tell what was on Jason's mind when he wrote this. Another very strong track. "Serrana" is a keyboard-heavy piece, very quick moving. Not written for his girlfriend Serrana, but it's a pretty song and it fits her (as he says) so he named it for her. "Meet Me in the Morning", a cover of a Dylan tune (I think -- not a big Dylan fan) is a song typifying everything about the album that Jason wanted to say when he released it: it's about being optimistic, never giving up, living life to its fullest. The singing is strictly okay but the playing is excellent. Pick this disc up immediately. You will be very glad you did. Jason is the eternal optimist, and this CD moves me like few others have. Beautiful, triumphant, powerful -- there's a point beyond which simple adjectives cease to have meaning. Suffice it to say that this is a great album, and it may move you to tears as well. Cheers, Phil ========================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed * Pittsburgh Penguins -- Stanley Cup in 1997! * "To do is to be." -- Plato "To be is to do." -- Aristotle "Doo bee doo bee doo..." -- The Bud Ice Penguin Guitarists: * Joe Satriani * Jason Becker * Steve Morse * Yngwie Malmsteen * * John Petrucci * Steve Vai * Eric Johnson * Gary Hoey * Richie Kotzen * ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:47:41 CST From: "Louie The Drunken Irishman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Cacophony: Marty Friedman & Jason Becker Message-ID: I was just wondering, since Jason Becker's CDs have come up for discussion several times, if anybody else has either of the Cacophony cds. Three or four years ago I went into a local used record shop and happened to find _Speed Metal Symphony_. I am also a fan of Megadeth and Marty Friedman's guitar work with them so I picked up the cd. Overall, I don't care for the style of the songs, but the guitar work on Speed Metal Symphony is phenomenal. Both Marty Friedman and Jason Becker show off their incredible talent as guitarists, especially on "Concerto" and "Speed Metal Symphony." I don't have Cacophony's cd _Go Off!_ and would like to hear from someone who might have it whether they like it and if they would recommend it. Pat Worrall Augustana College Rock Island, IL email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:14:55 -0500 From: Brian Wherry To: email_address_removed Subject: Fix for 96 pix... Message-ID: Hey Carlos! Do you think you could mail me them, too? :) Pretty please? :) TTYL! Brian -- /* * User: Brian Wherry, email_address_removed, email_address_removed * School: Boston University College of Engineering * Web: http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/ * Quote: "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." */ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:20:40 -0600 From: Randall Braun To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: Daffy-nitions Message-ID: Faggot: isn't that something you stick in your mouth & suck??? Well... isn't faggot a slang term (Anglish) for cigarette??? Back to your regular scheduled DT station. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:22:12 -0800 From: Andrew Forcier To: email_address_removed Subject: Ummmm..... Dream who? Message-ID: Hiya! First and foremost: > It's a good thing Rush decided to use an "R" as the first letter in the > name of their band. Otherwise they might have been called "Bush" or >"Lush" and those bands suck. To the guy who wrote this: hehe. >>While I don't care for Bush, I had the opportunity to see Lush in >>concert >>last summer. They were excellent. Next time you say that a band >>"sucks", >>maybe you should elucidate why. To the guy who wrote that: Duh. I'm glad to see that we've all lost our sense of humor in here. Can't say I don't understand why, cuz I do. BTW, the more you write that a thread should go away, THE MORE IT STAYS AROUND. Bought Handful of Rain, and I must say I am slightly disappointed. That is not at all to say that I do not like the album. First I didn't realize that Caffery and Pitrelli were not on this album, so my first disappointment was adjusting to a new guitarist. Whoever did the leads on DWD (Pitrelli?) has an amazing ear for melodic metal soloing, something that is so hard to find, especially with the glut of talented players today in general. A question on Alex Skolnick: I've been hearing this guy's name for years, but never heard anything of his (Testament, Exhibit A, etc.). My question is: what's the fuss? The guy is good, but his solos seem a little derivative and his rhythms are pretty standard. (Just to let you know: I speak of Jason of Saigon Kick in the same light, and SK is one of my top five bands. Please don't flame me on this, give me your opinions.) This is not to say he's bad, but is his other work better? I really am curious. Second disappointment: I'm trying to get used to Zach's continuous growling. His singing voice is awesome, why do the growl thing? But, beyond this, I do like the album. Mainly because I have been so starved for decent metal in the wake of this *alternative revolution* that it's good to find GREAT metal, not just decent. My next point: For those of you debating alternative music and how much it sucks, keep in mind that bands do not assign categories to themselves. Case in point: Rush is in the heavy metal section of most mail order music catalogs; I still get a kick out of that. I listened to alternative music in high school (seven years ago), back before the category was bastardized into what it is today. Back then, bands like the Chili Peppers and Jane's Addiction WERE alternative. Listen to the albums Mother's Milk and Ritual de lo Habitual and try and classify them. That's what used to make alternative. Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains are AOR music. Alice used to be metal, but neither have ever been alternative. As for Nirvana, the guy who said they came out in 1994 is WAY off base. When I flip over my friend's copy of Bleach, the release year is 1989. Nevermind: 1991. I sold these CDs back a long time ago, but the unfortunate point remains, I bought them in the first place. Hence Nirvana influenced me. What they influenced me to do is find real thrash though, not their poor (IMHO) substitute. Bands like Fear, Misfits, Iggy and the Stooges, even the new MD.45 CD are what thrash really is and was, long before Nirvana hit the scene. No one ever mentions the influence of these bands. Why? They were revolutionaries, and no one likes REAL revolutionaries. That's the same reason no one (meaning radio and critics) liked Metallica, Megadeth, Yes, and Rush in the beginning and the reason no one likes Dream Theater, Queensryche, and Savatage now. The people who like these bands are people who are willing to listen as bands grow and adapt, not to the industry, but to each other. Name me five bands you hear on radio today who do that. One word says it all: MONEY. If a band changes, they may not sell records or get airplay. Record companies don't like that kind of change. I'll never blame a band for wanting to make money, they earn it with talent for the most part. But I'll always hate the record companies for making money such a priority when they make so much of it anyway. So there's my two pennies for ya. As for the guy who wrote this: >>Sorry, you don't have any new mail. I hope I did something to remedy that situation. If not, mail me and let me know. Andrew _____________________ When the music stops, There's only the sound of the rain... ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2209 **************************