YTSEJAM Digest 2205 Today's Topics: 1) homophobia by "Raivo Hool" 2) Some lines on musical impact by email_address_removed.se (Lars Nilsson) 3) Hetfield by email_address_removed (J. E. James) 4) Re: 2204 by email_address_removed.se (Lars Nilsson) 5) vai discs by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" 6) Re: DT live performances on CD by Steve Godbout 7) Re: vaigla by Jan Melander 8) Re: fusion lineup by "Jonathan Dery" 9) Dreim Theautore by "Jonathan Dery" 10) doors by email_address_removed.mx (Raul Rodriguez) 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2201 by email_address_removed.mx (Raul Rodriguez) 12) Darkest of Winters by "Andrew Keith Garinger" 13) Re: DT live performances on CD by email_address_removed 14) Re: DT live performances on CD by email_address_removed 15) Re: DT live performances on CD by email_address_removed 16) Re: Uncovered by Wronskian 17) Re: Al Pitrelli? by Jon Byrne 18) The Ones Who Helped To Label Kirk A Fag by Rick Audet 19) Re: homophobia by "KorgX3" 20) When I was a Little Boy... by "KorgX3" 21) TSO in the Uk or online by Jon Veal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:05:36 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" To: email_address_removed Subject: homophobia Message-ID: > How can you say you are willing to accept it when you follow up that > statement with this one: >> But if any tries any advances towards me will be pummeled into a >> compact mess of tissue > There is a name for people with attitudes like this: homophobe. No, that ain't it. That's more like a normal attitude. Let them have their own way, as long as they don't interfere with my biz. Easy as that, no homophobia included. I've been hit on by gay people and if I hadn't been as rude as it seemed necessary, my butt would still be sore. No need to stick your sexual preferences in somebody's face. But I got along pretty well with Roddy Bottum of Faith No More... R. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:59:54 +0100 From: email_address_removed.se (Lars Nilsson) To: email_address_removed Subject: Some lines on musical impact Message-ID: Here's some thoughts: >Grunge's repercussions are also evident in the musical >instrument industry. It made retro-looking instruments >"cool" again, changing priorities from things like intonation >and electronics to cosmetics and simplicity. Thus, style >became more important than substance. But don't forget that there are a couples of other instruments comming up from musical influence that not counts to "trend - music". J. Pattitucci's bass from Yamaha. Steve Vai's guitar among a hundred others. (You know, there are also a roumor that Ibanez is doing a JP - model... yessssss.) Obviously the trends are going to have a big impact on the kids. Of course. But the evolution comes from the people who actually develop music, steems from a need of a new approach, new technics. There are always going to be a "gap" between "the mass" and "the pro's." And in most cases "the pro's" leads the way forward. DT is probably going to be a historical band because of the fact that they have an enormous impact on the leading musicians of our time. This is, of course, not the whole truth. Not even half of it, but I do think it's a part of it. (Also remember that far from all of the western classical "heroes" was popular, huh? But they are still remebered and aknowledged.) Am I making any sense at all here? >As with Al Pitrelli, you have heard him mentioned on the jam >as he plays in a "fun" band with Derek Sherinian calle Ethyl Mertz. Ooops! Hey, what's this? Do I need to know about it? 'Cause I don't. Any record out? Touring? Something? Help me out here. May the rain always awoid your head - Larsan "I've written some of my best parts on the toilet, the acoustics are great." - Mike Portnoy (Yesssssss :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 08:33:47 -0800 From: email_address_removed (J. E. James) To: email_address_removed Subject: Hetfield Message-ID: This discussion was made several months ago on the metallica digest. Somebody quoted an interview with Jaymz saying that he doesn't give a shit what lars and kirk do as long as it does not affect their music playing. btw: are Steve Vai's other albums as good as Fire Garden? and does he have any albums that are purely instrumental? I like phase 2 on fire garden, but i think the instrumental phase 1 is MUCH better. Justin the High Cleric of Lickalick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:41:56 +0100 From: email_address_removed.se (Lars Nilsson) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: 2204 Message-ID: Again, some thoughts out of a classic nerd... Stan wrote: >what i want is to get my hands on the Birch Hill Fixx for 96 tapes >and see how he sounded there cause from my perspective i really didn't hear >his voice crack once, his performance was steller. Yes, I'll agree whith that. Especially as we Europeans didn't have the ouportunity to hear the Fix for 96 :-( But for the discussion I'll also note that we probably can exspect JLB to sing better and better. The vocal part on their earlier works are pretty hard. And to do that on stage takes a hell lot of stamina. Probably he's going to do develop even further. Every singer will probably agree whith me when I say that it's hell to sing parts as hard as DT sometimes. It depends on your mood that day, and on your condition and... your experience... JLB is a awesome singer and he is probably going to be better still in the future! :-) Buster wrote: >Anyway, I dunno bout you guys, but I am DYING to see >the release of new DT! I can't stand the suspense >anymore!! Oh yes. Don't we all. You got that right man, you got that right... See you! - Larsan "Personality goes a long way." - Pulp Fiction ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 10:44:29 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: vai discs Message-ID: > >btw: are Steve Vai's other albums as good as Fire Garden? and does he >have any albums that are purely instrumental? I like phase 2 on fire >garden, but i think the instrumental phase 1 is MUCH better. > yeah, you'll definately want to pick up passion and warfare and alien love secrets. man, i finally bought flexable for five bucks yesterday... it scared me at first, now i fo0kin' love it. totally up the wall, very zappa esque. rock on. :) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:13:07 -0500 From: Steve Godbout To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT live performances on CD Message-ID: >>for one he absolutly positivley knew that there was top notch recording equiptment there and that they were being recorded<< Yeah, but being a professional, would'nt he want to give his best at every show? >>Secound, you should consider what kind of equiptment was being used to record the bootlegs, were they using DATS, regular tapes, were they on the soundboard??etc. etc.<< I do not know a lot about the technical side of a live performance but I I'm not sure this has a bearing on wether or not his voice will crack or if he will sing off key. >>what i want is to get my hands on the Birch Hill Fixx for 96 tapes and see how he sounded there cause from my perspective i really didn't hear his voice crack once, his performance was steller.<< Like I said, Lately James seems to be staying whithin a range of singing that can be handled on stage. If those shows consisted of only new songs, as advertised, then it is possible that he indeed sounded fine. And as time passes, we will hear less and less of the I&W and earlier songs so that problem will quietly go away. I missed the Birch hill fixx for 96. The 9 hour drive was too much of a strain on my work schedule. Bummer... Are there really tapes of these shows available??? Has someone made them available? With the new album being constantly pushed back (from the latest issue of metal edge, it seems we'll have to wait until next summer) I really need to get my hands on some new DT stuff or else I fear I'll soon begin to convulse. Keep cool, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 18:22:07 -0000 From: Jan Melander To: Subject: Re: vaigla Message-ID: >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:10:22 +0200 >From: "Raivo Hool" >To: email_address_removed >Subject: vaigla >Message-ID: > >> If You meen Raul that plays/played bass with the estonian Ultima >> Thule, I know him and I agree with You whole heartedly. I have played >> some gigs where he preformed with UT and on other occasions > >That's the guy. I've oft wondered why he hasn't gained attention he >deserves. Well, as i said, if he had lived in USA he would have been a BIG NAME, he is not only a GREAT musican but he has the nerv to be a very nice person and (a word from all my female friends) very good looking... (and he has a nice and beutiful wife too... some guys have all luck) Cheers, --------------------------------------------------------------- Jan Melander WM-Data email_address_removed.se --------------------------------------------------------------- "Until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead, The faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled" Innocence Faded - Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:45:15 -0500 From: "Jonathan Dery" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: fusion lineup Message-ID: I think the best Fusion band to tackle DT's music would be TRIBAL TECH. They all have sick chops, but are incredibly tasteful and great songwriters- just like DT on the progressive side of music. I'd be first in line for that show. Imagine how Erotomania would sound with a heavy Fusion twist (not that it doesn't have Fusion overtones already). - Jon Dery ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:59:25 -0500 From: "Jonathan Dery" To: email_address_removed Subject: Dreim Theautore Message-ID: <> Mispelling Dream Theater as Dream Theatre was just another part of my ENTIRELY SARCASTIC (and generally unfunny post). Just thought I'd clear that up. - Jon Dery ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:06:18 -0600 From: email_address_removed.mx (Raul Rodriguez) To: email_address_removed Subject: doors Message-ID: >Keys: That guy from the doors. > His name is Ray Manzarek ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:07:19 -0600 From: email_address_removed.mx (Raul Rodriguez) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2201 Message-ID: > >How many people have the "Bridge" single CD by Queensryche? Does that >kick ass or what!? I LOVE the full-band rendition of Someone Else. They >should've put that on "promised land". Anyway, this QR comment is >perhaps real old (cause I've had this CD for months), but I just wanted >to change the subject and leave on a good note (pun intended....) > >Jon hi I have the 1st part, in the kind of "unnpluged" versions of "the killing words" and the lady wore black J. Tate sings like no one. I also have the japanese "Promise land" with full-band "someone else" and "The real world", one of my Qr fab. another band: Diamanda Galas .... vocals John Sykes ..... Guitar (1987 whitesnake) Dean Castronovo ..... drums Steve Harris .... bass keys .... the steve Vai s computer like in the "fire garden suite" See you Omar Rodriguez ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:47:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" To: email_address_removed Subject: Darkest of Winters Message-ID: Anyone out there have an extra Darkest reservation they would be willing to sell? A friend was supposed to buy a copy for me and he forgot. I have every Bahr CD from Subcon to PT and I don't want to miss this one. I have a decent collection, so maybe someone would be interested in a trade? Let me know... Andrew -- email_address_removed Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter "Assumption is the mother of all f*ckups..." GB/MU d- s++:-- a-- C++ !U P? !L E--- W+ N-- K- w-- !O M-- !V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t++ 5 X+ R tv+ b+++ DI+++ D++ G- e* h++ r--- !y+ (The above Geek Code may be decoded at http://hci.ise.vt.edu/~jreiss/ geek/geek.cgi) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:31:05 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT live performances on CD Message-ID: In a message dated 1/19/97 5:28:35 PM, you wrote: << Like I said, Lately James seems to be staying whithin a range of singing that can be handled on stage. If those shows consisted of only new songs, as advertised, then it is possible that he indeed sounded fine. And as time passes, we will hear less and less of the I&W and earlier songs so that problem will quietly go away. >> well, along with the new stuff, they also played all of ACOS, Killing hand, LTL PMU, Mirror/Lie and CAIW to name a few, many of these songs contained highs for james to hit, and ohhhh did he hit them ohh soo well Laterz, Stan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:31:44 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT live performances on CD Message-ID: In a message dated 1/19/97 5:28:35 PM, you wrote: << missed the Birch hill fixx for 96. The 9 hour drive was too much of a strain on my work schedule. Bummer... Are there really tapes of these shows available??? >> they must be out there somewhere ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:34:04 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT live performances on CD Message-ID: In a message dated 1/19/97 5:28:35 PM, you wrote: <> True, but i think that when you absolutly know that there is going to be a permanant product of what you do that night, i think that you may try just that much harder and that is what makes all the difference. Laterz, Stan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:44:39 -0600 (CST) From: Wronskian To: Brian Subject: Re: Uncovered Message-ID: A friend of mine picked one up for $35 at a record show. I would check there if you know of any in your area. If you dont see it, ask. But dont use the "b" word. You wont get anything then. Ed Chat with: talk email_address_removed WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ BOOTLEGS: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/boots/boots.html ------------------------------------------------------------ - Duct Tape is like The Force: It has a Dark Side, it - - has a light side, and it holds the Universe together. - ------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Brian wrote: > Well, from being on IRC I discovered that many people are looking for > the DT uncovered 2CD set. If you are willing to dish out $57 to get it, > you can find it at http://home.sn.no/~shadland/fantasia/ > > ======================================================================== > "Are you gonna bark all day, little ----- > doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ---- > bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ---- > Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - -- > "Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - - > drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - - > you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - -- > Against The Machine ---- - - - ---- > later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ---- > ----- > ======================================================================== > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:30:28 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Byrne To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Al Pitrelli? Message-ID: At 04:30 PM 1/18/97 -0800, you wrote: >I picked up the Asia album _Alpha_ today My mistake, I meant _Aqua_, but the question still stands. >The electric guitar stuff is done by a guy named Al Pitrelli >(Steve Howe plays some accoustic and various other stringed things). Did >his name turn up on the 'Jam at one time, or am I completely out to lunch on >this? Jonathan Byrne, 1L West Virginia University College of Law email_address_removed (WormWood or DrNick on IRC) NEW WEBPAGE! http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- "Can a song bring out the love inside us? Can it ease our deepest fear? Can a song change all the wrong to right? Cand it stop a single tear?" -Brett Kull, "Meaning and the Moment", echolyn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:56:23 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: email_address_removed Subject: The Ones Who Helped To Label Kirk A Fag Message-ID: >Oh, and the reason I didn't take it to alt.music.metallica is because >there is no alt.music.metallica (to my knowledge) The correct newsgroup is alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica. Go there. -Rick Audet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:58:01 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: "Raivo Hool", email_address_removed Subject: Re: homophobia Message-ID: >No, that ain't it. That's more like a normal attitude. Let them have >their own way, as long as they don't interfere with my biz. Easy as >that, no homophobia included. I've been hit on by gay people and if I >hadn't been as rude as it seemed necessary, my butt would still be >sore. No need to stick your sexual preferences in somebody's face. It's not as bad as the time my friend had a crush on a transvestite at a party though. You thought this was just in the movies, too. (i.e. The Crying Game) He's the personage of a REAL homophobe, too. This guy really did look like a woman from across the room. You just could not tell. Stuff like that scares me. :) I try not to be rude to them about it, but I care not to talk about it because I do tend to hold it against people. It's often better that I just not know. I agree though that this doesn't make them a worse musician, as I still would think that Kirk and Lars rock... uh... nadz... :> (shrug, call me prejudiced, call me what you will) Later! KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:09:37 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: When I was a Little Boy... Message-ID: btw: are Steve Vai's other albums as good as Fire Garden? and does he have any albums that are purely instrumental? I like phase 2 on fire garden, but i think the instrumental phase 1 is MUCH better. Yah, Steve's got Passion and Warfare and Alien Love Secrets (EP) that are both instrumental (except for the in between song garble and YA YO GAK!). I consider them both to be just as good as Phase One of Fire Garden. There's also Sex and Religion that I have yet to here that has that Devin Townsend guy singing on it. I hear it's good from some, and bad from others. I won't comment, yet. BTW, I thought there was another one called "The Audience is Listening." Is this a live boot or something cuz it's not listed on the video file thing at the music store. There's another one called Flexible that I might order. Still collectiong CDs rapidly... KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:43:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Jon Veal To: email_address_removed Subject: TSO in the Uk or online Message-ID: Has anyone managed to locate the Trans-Siberian Orchestra CD in the UK ? I have also tried www.cdconnection.com and www.cdnow.com with no luck. There is a record fair in Luton this weekend (this is getting increasingly uk specific.) Do I stand any chance of finding and decent bootlegs ? Jon. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2205 **************************