YTSEJAM Digest 2202 Today's Topics: 1) Dream Theater Tribute in Heaven/Hell by "Mark Hatch-Miller" 2) by Chris Ptacek 3) Kirk a fag by Brian 4) DT IFC CD WHOOPIE!!! by Brian 5) NDTC: Porcupine Tree - Signify by Mark Bredius 6) Megadeth by Mark Smeets 7) Re: Miasma Wise Magic by Mark Smeets 8) New DT Thread by Daniel Souza 9) Re: All sorts by Daniel Souza 10) Re: Kirk a f@g by "Robert Quezada" 11) Re: Jason Becker (NDTC) by Matthew Travis 12) why Rush dropped T&M :( by email_address_removed 13) Fan Club Package. by "Jeremy C. Hallum" 14) Al Pitrelli? by Jon Byrne 15) good ol' Al by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:56:00 -0700 From: "Mark Hatch-Miller" To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater Tribute in Heaven/Hell Message-ID: I know I already posted one, but I just thought of some dead people who would be even better. Keys: Beethoven (or Bach) Drums: Buddy Rich Guitar: Django Reinhardt Bass: Jaco Pastorius Vocals: Freddie Mercury Of course, this would also have to be the most technically profecient and the best musically talented band EVER. The house band at God's Lounge and Casino. Wouldn't it be great to be dead?? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:47:59 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Message-ID: >He was able to get me hard-to-find stuff like >Angra's Evil Warning CD and Holy Land/FNAC that Impulse >told me was just not available. For the record, this may have been back when it wasn't readily available. They now have a few copies in stock (minus the one Maddy bought for me) >He and the woman from Impulse both told me that >Noise Records USA completely and totally sucks >as a vendor. They send whatever they want to >their customers, not always what they order. >This is probably the reason they may be having >problems with the Superior CD. This is very very very true. >Phone numbers for your use: > Dream Disc (Kendallville, IN) - (219)347-8080 > Impulse Music (Burnsville, MN)- (630)529-3070 Impulse is now in Roselle IL, but that is the phone number. >My only complaint with Impulse is that they don't >really make it clear when they do or don't put >things on back-order for you. If you ask, they'll tell you. Very clearly. The other benefit is that they let you listen to almost any cd before you buy it, if you can come by. And you can always e mail me and I'll see if I can't listen to it and describe it for you. I'm at Impulse's store all the time. Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC "Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 15:58:47 -0800 From: Brian To: email_address_removed Subject: Kirk a fag Message-ID: Well, I'm glad NuGgeTMaN brought this up. I've been debating this for a while and I've been compiling a list of all of the "evidence" that Kirk is at least a bi-sexual and maybe even has a thing with Lars. If anyone has any of this "proof", please send it along to me. Thanks a lot. Sorry to put this on the jam, as I see people are getting pissed about sexual stuff on the jam. ======================================================================== "Are you gonna bark all day, little ----- doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ---- bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ---- Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - -- "Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - - drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - - you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - -- Against The Machine ---- - - - ---- later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ---- ----- ======================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:20:17 -0800 From: Brian To: email_address_removed Subject: DT IFC CD WHOOPIE!!! Message-ID: Well, I just got my membership package from the DTIFC today. All I can say is HELL'S YEAH!!!!! Shit, this rules. I love this CD! I'm gonna play the hell out of it! I actually like Damage Inc. now that I can actually hear it, despite of how much I dislike Death metal singers, and Tears and O Holy Night are 10 times better than on AD imo (SORRY MIKE!). The drums (ESPECIALLY that double bass at the end!) adds such an odd incredible feeling to OHN. Thank you a million times, Neil!!!!!!! I love you man! ======================================================================== "Are you gonna bark all day, little ----- doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ---- bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ---- Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - -- "Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - - drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - - you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - -- Against The Machine ---- - - - ---- later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ---- ----- ======================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:36:58 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'The Ytsejam'" Subject: NDTC: Porcupine Tree - Signify Message-ID: Hi there :-) I just bought a great album, called "Signify" by a band named "Porcupine Tree", after reading a lot of good things about them on the Marillion-list... Their music is kinda hard to describe, but if you like Marillion and Pink Floyd, you're gonna *love* this album. Very proggy, IMO, and very Floydian. They also remind me of King Crimson's "Thrak" in places. This is *not* (I repeat, NOT) metal. Some of you might even call it "mellow". It's also very instrumental... not a lotta lyrics on it... This is the kinda music that has to grow on you, but when it *does*...!!! Personally, I think it's a masterpiece, and can't wait to check out their other stuff... Some of the stuff used on this album : Banshee Guitar, Sampler, Tapes, Texture, Vocals, "Voices", Prophet V/System 700 Electronics, Electric and Acoustic Guitars, Mellotron, Synthesizers, Electric and Double Bass, Drums, Organ, Vocal Harmonies, Samples, Percussion, Piano, Drum Programming, Sequencers, Drum Loop, Chimes, Musical Boxes, Cymbals and a Hammond Organ... One of the PT-guys, Steve Wilson, is helping Fish (ex-Marillion) out with his new album (Sunsets On Empire). Another PT-guy, Richard Barbieri (ex-Japan) helped Steve Hogarth out with *his* solo album. Can't wait to hear both of them :-) Anyway, check them out if you get the chance. They're definately worth it. These guys are amazing :-> Mark... Sorry for the lack of DTC, but it beats flaming, doesn't it ? :) email_address_removed All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars |`||_```_|/``_]|`]_[`|\`\_/`/ All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | | | ( (_ | ___ | \_ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:33:16 PST From: Mark Smeets To: email_address_removed Subject: Megadeth Message-ID: ** Reply to note from email_address_removed 01/18/97 12:48pm -0800 Hey everyone, ok, I've finished The Megadeth Faq. It's the only one on the net too, I feel special :) Anyways, you can ask me for a copy of it, by emailing me privatly, just due to the fact that, I don't want to read a jam that has a subject line of "Please send me the faq" (Ben don't even think about it). You can also read it on my web page. http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/FAQ.HTM Mark my smartt.com account is now useless. Please email at either email_address_removed or email_address_removed -- -Check out the new Serenity's End Chat room zeek.murlin.com oprt 8888 -Check out my web site http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM @------>--->--- Some people lose their faith because Heaven shows them to little. Others lose their faith because Heaven shows them too much. - The Prophecy -- I don't believe in coincidence @------>--->--- I guide you through the sea of nightmares called existance and lead you to the sanctuary where a haven exists only to those who have lost hope and this is called earth but to those who have hope, stand alone outside this haven guarding it alone. -M.S. @------>--->--- I stand at the promised land with Fire In my Eyes! W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:33:21 PST From: Mark Smeets To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Miasma Wise Magic Message-ID: ** Reply to note from email_address_removed 01/18/97 12:48pm -0800 -How did Megadeth and Judas Priest "set the stage" for -Nirvana? The only correlation I can see is that people were -becoming tired of heavy metal and wanted something new, that -was rawer, simpler and more accessible: grunge. That's the way it happened. Totally unintentional on their parts for sure. I mean, that has to be one of the best concerts ever. It wasn't that they wanted something new, I think that the general public just couldn't expand their tastes to like it. Which is cool, I can't expand my taste to like Nirvanna, I can't stand that group. -I'll have to disagree that the two bands had more influence -than Nirvana. Well, let's see, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Slayer, and bands like that, how big of a following do they have? Bigger than most bands. How many kids did they turn onto playing an instrument? Millions practically. -When I turn on the radio, I'll still hear Nirvana instead of -say, "Hangar 18". I can thankfully say I don't hear Nirvanna on the radio at all here :) -Grunge's repercussions are also evident in the musical -instrument industry. It made retro-looking instruments -"cool" again, changing priorities from things like intonation -and electronics to cosmetics and simplicity. Thus, style -became more important than substance. And what was retro in the 80's, supposedly, was metal music and that was cool. Metal has had a WAY bigger impact than grunge has and grunge, being an inaminate object, tried to change that and to an extent, it sort of did but metal has been around for what, 25 to 30 years? I mean, Sabbath starting all the way back in time. Even those grunge wanna-be bands sited Sabbath as an influence. Style more important than substance? whatever happened to style and substance together, i.e. the blues. You really can't have one without the other, it's a package deal. Last I checked, cosmopolitin wasn't in any guitar magazine I saw. -people are buying more Fender Jaguars and Jazzmasters than -Jackson Flying V's or Kellys. Point is? If they like the tone...oh wait, I bet a majority of the grunge "musicians", don't even know what tone is or for that matter prolly don't even know how to keep a volume knob on 3 instead of 8. -Finally, as far as ticket sales go, you need to take certain -things into account. The Titans tour may have raked in more, -but it had 3 bands (4 if you count Alice In Chains, I think) -and played large indoor arenas. Nirvana's tour only had -itself and was mid-sized arenas, and clubs in the beginning. Right and if Nirvanna was so popular, how come they did do the big venues? There's a reason why the metal bands from the 80's and beyond are still around playing. Let's take Iron Maiden for example, they can play whatever size venue and still get almost sold out or sold out. Back during Live After Death, 4 sold out nights at Long Beach Arena, I don't think any other band has done that for starters. This is after their SECOND album has been released on a major label in the US. During that show, If you have the video tape of LAD, Bruce says something that is relevant to today, paraphrasing of course: "You have this thing, its called MTV. There's like a band on every 5 minutes, all this hype and when these guys come to town, they can't even sell out a fucking toilet seat." I think that's a pretty good description of the grunge scene. >>I DID like Smells like Teen Spirit, in fact, I had to learn it for Pep >>Rallies with the band. > > This is when you know it's not "Alternative" anymore. No, it was alternative, I wasn't having that much fun playing it. It was more fun to see the crowd responce. That dudes bass playing is so fucking boring, I'd just sit down or talk to a friend as I played. -I remember seeing/hearing a marching band do Guns 'N Roses -"You Could Be Mine" and Metallica's "Enter Sandman" once. -Are these bands not hard rock and heavy metal anymore? -Popularity doesn't change a band's legitimacy or style, only -the bands themselves. We also did those 2 songs, changed Enter Sandman a bit, just to make it a bit heavier. You Could be Mine, we just extended the hell out of it and added more feedback to the song. The Teachers hated it but the students went nuts. Its cool cause, if you have a popular song, most of them can figure it out after the first 2 notes. As the Horse in Wren and Stimpy would say "No Sir, I don't like it" Mark my smartt.com account is now useless. Please email at either email_address_removed or email_address_removed -- -Check out the new Serenity's End Chat room zeek.murlin.com oprt 8888 -Check out my web site http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM @------>--->--- Some people lose their faith because Heaven shows them to little. Others lose their faith because Heaven shows them too much. - The Prophecy -- I don't believe in coincidence @------>--->--- I guide you through the sea of nightmares called existance and lead you to the sanctuary where a haven exists only to those who have lost hope and this is called earth but to those who have hope, stand alone outside this haven guarding it alone. -M.S. @------>--->--- I stand at the promised land with Fire In my Eyes! W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:40:47 -0500 From: Daniel Souza To: email_address_removed Subject: New DT Thread Message-ID: Hi everyone! You probably ( surely ) don't know me... I'm new here in the Ytsejam List but a DT fan for more than 2 years and still waiting for them to come to Brazil... Well, my picks for a DT cover band are: Vocals - Andre Matos ( Angra ); Michael Kiske ( Helloween ) Guitar - Michael Romeo ( Symphony-X ); Eduardo Ardanny ( Dr.Sin ) Bass - Stuart Hamm Keys - Chris Ingles ( Shadow Gallery ) Drums - Jonathan Mover I hope you agree partly with my picks... See you later, Daniel. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:40:52 -0500 From: Daniel Souza To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: All sorts Message-ID: Hi there! >'Pink Bubbles Go Ape' - Definately their worst Sorry to get into this discussion but I'm a Helloween fan for more than 6 years and I can not believe you wrote that... You have got to be kidding! "Pink Bubbles Go Ape" is also a classical, incredible album. Sorry to disagree and put that in public but I couldn't believe when I read it... I know it's your opinion but let me also state mine in here. >'Chameleon' - some cool almost prog stuff, a bit patchy >'The Best, The Rest, The Rare' Compilation - a good place to start >The two studio albums made without Kiske, 'Master Of The Rings' and >'The Time Of The Oath' are both good without being anything special. By the way, do you like Helloween? See ya, Daniel. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 17:05:20 -0500 From: "Robert Quezada" To: Subject: Re: Kirk a f@g Message-ID: > From: Brian > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Kirk a fag > Date: Saturday, January 18, 1997 16:14 > > Well, I'm glad NuGgeTMaN brought this up. I've been debating this for a > while and I've been compiling a list of all of the "evidence" that Kirk > is at least a bi-sexual and maybe even has a thing with Lars. If anyone > has any of this "proof", please send it along to me. Thanks a lot. Sorry Not to be insulting, but why are you interested? You say "evidence" as if there is some sort of crime committed. If he's Bi or Gay, then the only one who should care is the one he's going to be with. BTW, the word "fag" is probably just as insulting to those who are gay as racial slang would be to different ethnic groups. Why don't you take this to the alt.music.metallica newsgroup where there are other discussions like this? rq ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:46:40 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew Travis To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Jason Becker (NDTC) Message-ID: H'llo, Just wondering, for snyone who has bought Jason'r "Perspective", where you bought it, if it wasn't directly from him. I have heard parts of it, and it brought tears to my eyes as well. However, I don't trust the American shipping industry enough to order it through the mail. I'm wondering if any chain stores are carrying and in what section (genre) it is in. I have yet to see it in any stores around here (Champaign-Urbana, IL). Any help would be appreciated. You can reply to me direct at email_address_removed (to keep 'jam traffic down). It's interesting how a person's life can be profoundly affected by someone he has never met. -matej (Tool of the Gods) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 17:53:20 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: why Rush dropped T&M :( Message-ID: Mike Bahr asked: > I don't know why, but wasn't "time and motion" and "resist" being > alternated between nights? I went to the Philly show and they played > "resist." They played "time and motion" in Maryland the next day. I know that after the very first two dates of the T4E tour (at which both Resist and T&M were played) the stupid idiots who do the lights (NOT Rush's crew) were bitching about how the show was too long according to union rules (this is one occupation that should be rid of unions!!!!). For this reason, Rush decided to alternate between T&M and Resist (to keep the set as it was would cost the band a lot more money apparently). Then Rush took a week-or-so break (in the middle of November?). When they resumed touring, they had dropped T&M from the setlist completely. As to why T&M was dropped and not Resist, I'm guessing they got a more favorable response with Resist. I only saw Rush here in Milwaukee and when they played T&M (which I like more than Resist) the crowd was not into it. :( At any rate, I would've much rather seen Half the World dropped from the set rather than either T&M or Resist (I do like Resist a lot as well). I guess, if nothing else I can hope that DT will now cover T&M during their up coming tour (HINT HINT) - sorry Korg!! :) Scott Hansen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:11:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" To: "Zee' Yzeejam" Subject: Fan Club Package. Message-ID: Got me Fan Club disk today in the mail. I like it. Now I have a good copy of Tears, and Oh Holy Night. BTW I'm disc 1141. Way the hell up there on the list. I had heard how bad Barney brutalized Damage Inc, but I wasn't quite prepared for what I had heard. Good music, bad vocals Got Savatage's Handful of Rain last week. I didn't like it at first, but as you listen to it, it grows on you. Not as good as Dead Winter Dead, but good stuff. I think I'll go get the other two, and see what they are like. Burstein's got a good idea with the web ring thing. It gives me good impetus to get my DT page done. Come on Boston Jammers, don't forget about Yste-lunch II, it'd be cool to see ya all again! -jeremy +=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. #"He's sitting at the edge of the bed # # Boston, MA 02134 # staring at the headlines in paper # # Astronomy # He said 'Look at poor Gene Kelly # # <*> <*> <*> # I guess he won't be singing in the rain' # # Jeremy Hallum # You Took Away All My Heroes # # email_address_removed # Can you Take Away My Pain" -Dream Theater # +=====================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:22:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Byrne To: email_address_removed Subject: Al Pitrelli? Message-ID: Hey everybody I picked up the Asia album _Alpha_ today, and found a familiar name in the credits. The electric guitar stuff is done by a guy named Al Pitrelli (Steve Howe plays some accoustic and various other stringed things). Did his name turn up on the 'Jam at one time, or am I completely out to lunch on this? Thanks Jonathan Byrne, 1L West Virginia University College of Law email_address_removed (WormWood or DrNick on IRC) NEW WEBPAGE! http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- "Can a song bring out the love inside us? Can it ease our deepest fear? Can a song change all the wrong to right? Cand it stop a single tear?" -Brett Kull, "Meaning and the Moment", echolyn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:29:14 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: good ol' Al Message-ID: >I picked up the Asia album _Alpha_ today, and found a familiar name in the >credits. The electric guitar stuff is done by a guy named Al Pitrelli >(Steve Howe plays some accoustic and various other stringed things). Did >his name turn up on the 'Jam at one time, or am I completely out to lunch on >this? Al is best known on the jam for his playing with Savatage and Derek's cover band Ethyl Mertz. he's also given killer axeman and fellow jammer rob barker a chance to jam with him and the whole Mertz sing along gang. hope some of you were there to see it, i only wish i coulda been :< ~Rip ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2202 **************************