YTSEJAM Digest 2195 Today's Topics: 1) Pigs boots by Rick Audet 2) Re: Women, Men, and the jokes we tell by "KorgX3" 3) *DTC*Just thought of a REALLY cool cover DT should do... by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" 4) A swirling miasma of scintillating thoughts and turgid ideas by "Brian Henderson" 5) Steve Morse and a message re: VH by "Kevin W. Madden" 6) by Pat Sullivan 7) Re: Kirkpatrick by "Monty J. Newberry" 8) I will not coninue the argument on the jam... by Chris Ptacek 9) Surf Music (NDTC, NVHC) by email_address_removed (Amit Shah) 10) Crimson Glory by "Elv" 11) Tori Amos by Ryan Webb 12) Petrucci in "Spotlight" column years ago by "Paul W. Cashman" 13) DT cover band by Arsi Koutaniemi 14) DT cover band by Jazzmin Belle Sommers 15) Stuff by Nigel Bridgeman 16) FW: Surf Music (NDTC, NVHC) by email_address_removed 17) P'tai-Czech by Steve Borzilleri ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:49:30 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: email_address_removed Subject: Pigs boots Message-ID: Chris "Sexist rude, punk male pig" Ptacek wrote, >Some people enjoy my witless souless evil useless posts. Er....that would be me. Maybe I'm the only one, but this is where I look each day for a dose of amusement....and wisdom. Wait, maybe I'm thinking of Mr. Bafu. Questions: Rush bootleg Majestic Symphonies: is this the same as Mr. Bahr's Critical Mass boot? Also, does anyone have a tracklist for the following DT boots?: Another Days Dream In Progress Another Uncovered Thank you much. -Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:49:33 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Women, Men, and the jokes we tell Message-ID: > I don't want to belabor this whole NDTC thread, but I did want to express > my opinion that I love humor as much as anyone, and I personally had no > aversion to the Women's and Men's lists that were posted. I thought they > were kind of funny. What bothers me is that a lot of people are so quick > to jump down someone's throat when they say that they are offended, as if > the fact that it was a joke means they have no right to be hurt. Lemme add to this. I know that there are alot of people who can get hurt by things like this, but they ALWAYS have the option of skipping the post. The first line of the joke told you what it was about, so if you didn't want to hear it. Go to the next one. I've come to the conclusion that anyone will whine about anything for the attention, the money, the humiliation of the other person, or whatever, but it's not like these posts come up all the time and when they do come up, there is always that little button at the top of the screen called "Delete." Learn it, use it, don't white it out, you'll need it later... KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:11:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" To: email_address_removed Subject: *DTC*Just thought of a REALLY cool cover DT should do... Message-ID: >Dixie Dreg's "what if": Okay, seeing this little post about the Dregs, I was reminded of that cover the Dregs did of a small little tune you might all know: Kashmir by Led Zeppelin. Think about, WOULDN'T IT KICK ASS if Dream Theater covered this song in its entirety???? I think the song would have a cool twist in the violin parts switched out with keyboard parts a la the IAM keyboard sound....WOW! If anyone from the band is reading this, just think how awesome that'd be! (okay, so I'm a hopeless insane Zeppelin freak too. But like the tv ad says here in Atlanta for the drug rehab hospital, "If you don't get help at Charter, get help somewhere.") Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm /| / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || To: Subject: A swirling miasma of scintillating thoughts and turgid ideas Message-ID: A pal of mine *gave* me three records today: - Yngwie Malmsteen "Rising Force" and "Marching Out" - Dixie Dregs "Unsung Heroes" Pity my turntable's broken... I'll have to give 'em a listen on my Fisher-Price. Are all the Dregs albums available on CD? I don't think I've seen more than that best-of anywhere. Good news! We had our *third* report about Bob Marley today in Music of the '90s (class size: about 25). We've also had 2 reports each about 2-Pac, The Eagles, and Jimi Hendrix. Damn, I'm proud to be a part of such an *original* class... Also, I'm pretty sure I've heard good mention of Apocalypse here on the 'Jam. I sent out a money-order to them several weeks ago, but nothing's arrived yet. I have E-mailed 'em a few times since then, each time met with no response. Anybody have any idea whether the guy who does it is on vacation? Do they usually take a long time to deliver an order? Isn't mail answered on a regular basis? Am I a worrywort? Do these pants make me look fat? Is there radon in my basement? How do I tie a masthead? What are the goals of safe boating?! Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap email_address_removed "C'mon get a picture uh this crazy critter!" -- Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:18:01 -0500 From: "Kevin W. Madden" To: email_address_removed, unadulterated bullshit Subject: Steve Morse and a message re: VH Message-ID: On behalf of no one, and running the risk of flame, I say: FUCK OFF ALREADY WITH THE USENET-QUALITY VH "DISCUSSION" I regret putting this sort of thing on the jam, but, hey, today was a long day. On another note, after all this pro-Steve Morse "High Tension..." talk I made the jump and purchased the cd via cdnow. If you have an account with them, they have given everyone some sort of gift certificate. mine was worth 2 bucks, which brought the price of the cd, with shipping, to about 12 bucks. I love Steve's work on "Purpendicular" so I fully expect not to be disappointed. Let's hope this jam recommendation pans out. Kevin GO WINGS!!! GO PACKERS!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:30:04 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Message-ID: >In a perfect world this would be true. But the members of Van Halen own >the houses, guitars, cars, etc. because of tickets sales, album sales, >shirt sales, and the like. Who bought that stuff? THE FANS!!! I'm not >drawing conclusions, just pointing out something that struck me as >ironic. I wasn't speaking about any band in particular, but OK: The band made a record (or records), and toured and sold merchandise for that recording. In return, they made a lot of money. They use that money to buy nice things. End of transaction. The fans are owed nothing more, they already got what they paid for... ----- ________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: email_address_removed WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Tool - "Aenima" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:40:09 +0000 From: "Monty J. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Kirkpatrick Message-ID: >...and there's a really cool song..kinda proggy called Viento >borrascoso or something like that. The CD in question would be their second release, Psycho Surgery, which is mighty good, but I personally prefer Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance. The most "proggy" (w/time changes and experimentation), and easily the heaviest. Something interesting about "Viento..." Ted Kirkpatrick not only plays drums, but also does the really cool flamenco guitar in the middle. He also writes most of the music and lyrics. Hmm, a drummer that can do more than bang on stuff (j/k, for all you sensitive types :). Cheers. Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:14:46 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: I will not coninue the argument on the jam... Message-ID: However, Anyone interested in my simple reponse to that feeble argument can e mail me directly: email_address_removed with the subject: "Oooh Oooh! Lemme see!!!" or whatever else you can do to make it easy for me to keep those letters aside and throw you the FWD. Just so you all know, I am disappointed in myself when I send an argument that doesn't belong on the jam, to the jam. Point that out to me if I do it. Sometimes I slip up. This arguement is between two people and is a waste of bandwidth. I will not put any long posts to the jam about it. And all VH fans should know that just because I think they suck (heheh the BAND, not you guys), doesn't mean I think you should have to agree. I don't think I should have to deal with little whining babies (or should I stick with my motif and call it bitching?) who can't allow something they like to be bad-mouthed. I feel responsibile to make sure that when I can provide an opposing viewpoint to a thread, I do so. This time it was so far off topic that it shouldn't have even been done... but that's life. To repeat, anyone that cares at all for this argument (and please don't waste my time and the ytse's time to say how much you don't care) and my personal response can e mail me and I'll gladly provide them with my e mails. This is for your own personal entertainment value only though. :) Take care! Chris Ptacek "Angry", "Uninformed", "Childish", "the most self righteous person", "the most insanely negative, biased person", "devil's advocate", "self righteous openminded" (if you figure it out, let me know), "lowered to {a particular sub human?} that level", (to paraphrase) Inhuman, or subhuman, and an all around great guy (okay, so he didn't say that)" - From Neil Evan's "Re: EVH/DLR -- LONG -- NDTC"... an essay on good argumentative technique. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:10:17 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Amit Shah) To: email_address_removed Subject: Surf Music (NDTC, NVHC) Message-ID: Well it's been -20 degrees with the wind chill here in central PA, so i went down to my local record store and bought some surf CDs to "transport" me to some tropical habitat with friendly local girls.. ahh.. i really dig this stuff! any of you other jammers have any recomendations? i just got a CD by the Shadows, they're a pre-Beatles instrumental outfit.. the wacky twang guitar sounds are incredible, i definatley reccomend it if you're bored & looking for a change of pace. Gotta catch those waves now... yeah, right.. i WISH. Keep jammin', Amit Shah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:51:21 -0500 From: "Elv" To: Subject: Crimson Glory Message-ID: So, as I said before CRIMSON GLORY are back together (without Midnight), but right after they broke up they formed a band called Erotic Liquid Culture. I found the web site: http://www.azbiz.net/elc/ You can check out some sound samples, the songs are like "Strange&Beautiful". Elvis Batur email_address_removed email_address_removed Music In Progress http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:58:04 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Webb To: email_address_removed Subject: Tori Amos Message-ID: Hey ya'll....I heard there was a Tori Amos concert on Lifetime TV next friday, January 24th. Check your local listings for details :) Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Petrucci in "Spotlight" column years ago Message-ID: I've been told by a local DT fan (found at a record show thanks to my Ytsejam shirt) that John Petrucci was once featured in a column called "Spotlight" in a guitar mag -- he thought it was GUITAR PLAYER -- when John was 18. Apparently guitarists -- anyone -- were encouraged to send in three songs/solos on a demo tape and if the mag liked them, they'd include you in that month's column, with a quick article, photo, etc. I don't remember this being mentioned before, nor do I remember any bootlegs having something -exactly- like this on there..... To hear this guy tell it, he has a copy of that tape. Five folks to cover DT: Vocals Michael Tangermann of Superior Keys Kevin Moore oh, all right, damnit, Jordan Rudess :) Bass Sean Malone (we IRCers know he'd be easy to contact :)) Guitar Steve Vai, Bernd Basmer, Steve Morse or Satch Drums Scott Rockenfield, Dave Re (ex-Early Warning; what the heck, he'd have fun), Paul Bostaph (he's between jobs now, right? :)) These opinions will vary with the hour. :) Are there any video boots of the actual Dance of Eternity show? My friend tells me he has a crappy audience handheld one. Just wondering if there are any good ones about. DT apparently opened for Rod Stewart (!) in Europe during the AWAKE tour (per John P. at his clinic here; my friend was there). Anyone know what their setlist was like? Mellower tunes, perhaps? -- +-- I never bared my emotions ---+ Dream Theater +- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | My passion always strong | "Scarred" | email_address_removed | | I never lost my devotion <-+-> CD: Awake | email_address_removed | + But somewhere fate went wrong -+----- http://www.crl.com/~vanyel ----+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:50:01 +0200 From: Arsi Koutaniemi To: email_address_removed Subject: DT cover band Message-ID: <199701170750.JAA03293@bitfield.fi> Okay here is mine... Vocals - Dani from Cradle Of Filth Guitar - The Great Kat Bass - Dan Lilker from Brutal Truth Key. - Josh Silver from Type-O Drums - Scott Columbus from Manowar Arsi ------------------------------------------------------------------ - I see the strangest faces - Bitfield Oy - - faces that I've never seen before - Arsi Koutaniemi - - they see through empty spaces - Ukonvaaja 2 - - spaces that do not exist no more. - 02130 ESPOO - - - 358-9-50242227 - - - King Diamond - Arsi@bitfield.fi - ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 01:48:56 -0600 From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers To: email_address_removed Subject: DT cover band Message-ID: ok, I'll jump on the bandwagon... Guitar -- Joe Satriani. TAFKA prince (now called "squiggle") Bass -- Sting or possibly Paul McCartney Keys -- Mozart, bring 'im back! Drums -- Jon Case (Alex Van Halen would work, though) Vocals -- ME! that guy from Depeche Mode. Or Debbie Harry. Steven Tyler. Wouldn't it be cool to have TWO drummers? That would rock! Chip's ideas for the band (my husband) weird al yankovic on vocals. Annie hasland michael jackson on drums, just because it would be funny madonna should not do the guitar, that would be gross the guy from marillion on keys michael hedges on guitar thurston moore on bass .. well, I think I'll let him go back to sleep now... Heya Jonathan, thought you'd dropped off the planet or something. Email me, we'll catch a coke at the Soviet Union some day. Jazzmin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:44:48 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman To: email_address_removed Subject: Stuff Message-ID: Hiyis Just some comments, re: various threads in the jam recently. 1. Leaving the Jam: Since joining the list in October or November (not sure) I have been introduced (not literally - don't want someone to take that the wrong way and flame me) to the following bands: Savatage (woohoo! Streets is the best album of all time!) Galactic Cowboys Yes King Crimson ELP Fates Warning Probably some others I can't remember... But that's 24 cds (at least) that I've bought because of this list... coolie :) 2. Kurt Cobain I liked a lot of Nirvana's music, and I'd be the first to say that he was probably the most important musician of the 90's so far. If anyone would like to dispute that, be my guest, but can you think of another musician this decade who has had so much influence on the music industry? Oh, and his music didn't suck. He was a great songwriter - just because he didn't write music like DT and lyrics like Neil Peart doesn't make him a bad composer. 3. DT Cover band OK, here goes... Vox - Sebastian Bach Drums - Neil Peart Keys - Jon Oliva :) Guitar - Steve Vai (just because of that song from Passion & Warfare... can't remember what it was called... I Would Love To, I think it was) Bass - Steve Harris To anyone who was expecting an email from me in the last week, can you resend it or just send a nasty letter? I got a new computer and the old mail is on the old computer... and i deleted all my net stuff from that without thinking... Hmm... Well, cheerio! Ytse-Spiff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:23:10 -0800 From: email_address_removed Subject: FW: Surf Music (NDTC, NVHC) Message-ID: >any of you other jammers have any recomendations? ---------- Yes. I recomend Los Straightjackets. They have two excellent cds of instrumental surf music. Catch a live show if you can. They all wear mexican wrestling masks! (I'm not making this up) Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:48:51 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri To: Dream Thespians Subject: P'tai-Czech Message-ID: (Chris is half-Hawaiian, half-Bohemian, and half-Venusian, you know) ---- > From: Chris Ptacek > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2187 > > > Has "Scenes From A Memory" begun shipping yet? > > In case this isn't a joke, I've had mine for MONTHS. It's not a joke. I sent a check to Equinox Empires back in...when was it...1992 for this disc, and I still haven't received it. I'm not even going to inquire about their "Precious Things" product line until I'm certain "Scenes" exists. It looked pretty good from the ads, though... > Why do I bet Bafu gave the "Oh, I get it!" laugh when everyone else was > going nuts? Probably because you saw the tape and figured out, from the manner in which I furiously knocked over John's monitors in total disgust, that I don't like being left out of a joke. > he's been blind(deaf?) to so much of the music that people like him are > expected to know. People "like" me? And what exactly "am" I? Are you STEREOTYPING, YOU FACIST SEXIST SOMNABULIST PIPPENWITHTHEASSIST SHOPPINGLIST PIG?!?!?! > It's like going to advanced classical lessons and saying "Fernando Sor? > Who's albums did he play on?" So... Who's Fernando Sor? ---- > From: Chris Ptacek > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2188 > >> Hello everyone, it's BABS. Here's the #1 rule that I follow: >> >> 1. Men are nothing, but trouble and heartache - thank God they come >> equipped with a wallet. > > Because of my built in sense of humor that I got from Bafu Vai as a > Christmas present, I was able to laugh at that. See below. Hey, my company ain't like the other guys. We install it ONCE. And ONLY ONCE. Plus, unlike Data's emotion-chip, you can't turn it off. Ever. > > I don't see women using the jam to rag on men > > See above. Rag? "RAG?" She's making fun of Middle-Easterners! I'll have you know that my ancestors were from the Caucas Mountains! And that makes me Asian! CAUC-Asian!! DAAAAAMN YOOOUUUU...uh...TOOOO HEEELLLLLLL!!! > You're either XX or Xy, and you DEAL with it. You're...you're segregating ANDROGYNS!! That settles it, you're not my friend anymore, get these Gorilla amps outta my house. NOW. > Women make fun of men and men make fun of women. And who do androgyns make fun of? Huh? WHO??? Oh, I forgot, they aren't "real" people, are they? So I guess they just don't get to make fun of ANYONE, do they?? YOUR HEAD ON A SPEAR, PTACEK!! JUSTLIKETHELORDOFTHE FLLLIIIIIEEEEES!!! > Until the list says "Women are incapable of completing traditionally > male tasks" or something along those lines you have no exuse to bitch > like that. Notice he used the verb "bitch" instead of "complain." SEXIST TEXAS LEXUS PIG!!! > Email me at He-Man Woman email_address_removed if you want to contest what > I've just said. Be prepared to be eaten alive and you'll to fine. Oh, I get it now... Androgyns aren't good enough to make your "classy enough to make fun of other people" list, but CANNIBALS are okay, huh? YES SIR, THOSE PEOPLE-EATING PERSONS, THEY CAN HAVE *MY* BUD LITE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!! :) "And worst of all... He is patient." --Morgan Freeman, "Seven" Bafu ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2195 **************************