YTSEJAM Digest 2185 Today's Topics: 1) Echolyn and BH pictures by email_address_removed (George Sumschidt) 2) Huh? Holly? by email_address_removed 3) Zrock by evan andrew nelson 4) Re: Z-Rock by "Ken McWatters" 5) Hidden Tracks, Vixen, Klank. DTC? no.... by email_address_removed (Grim88) 6) Boston Ytse-Lunch (II) by "Ryan P. Skadberg" 7) Re: Our Lady Peace, Symphony X/IQ, Artension by email_address_removed 8) I need some 'legs! by Jeremy Kube 9) half the world sucks, while the other half blows by Jon Parmet 10) by 11) The Jam... by Lars Hellsten 12) in search of dt keys music? by email_address_removed 13) Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows by email_address_removed 14) Re: The Jam... by email_address_removed 15) Marillion/DT & Boots/Ian GillAn/YKTR by Ronnie 16) Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows by Carlos Alfaro 17) MIKE PORTNOY DRUM TRANSCRIPTIONS by email_address_removed 18) how to get some DT drum tramscriptions by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:51:14 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (George Sumschidt) To: email_address_removed Subject: Echolyn and BH pictures Message-ID: Hey group!!! After the crappy day I just had, I have to share some good news. I found a used Echolyn cd that I can sell. It is: As The World. It is an excellent cd. The music kicks serious butt!!! If you want it, e-mail ME at email_address_removed. I would like to get $7.00 for it. About the BH pictures. They have been put on a web site. You can see some of the jammers that came from far and near to see DT at the Birch Hill rock club at the following site: http://www.cais.com/jjens/bh/ If you are in the pictures, but not identified or mis-identified, e-mail ME and tell me what picture you are in and WHO you are. Back to the jam... _________________________________________ "I'm out of debt for the first time in my adult life." "'What are you going to do now?'" "Buy a house." -G.S. 11/4/96 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 15:20:13 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Huh? Holly? Message-ID: >He certanly has been innovative with some of the >sounds he produces. What Jimi (and others like Les Paul, Buddy Holly) >did truly changed the face! Maybe those in the know can clear this up. What was it that Buddy Holly did to innovate guitar playing. I'm srious here. I don't care for '50s rock at all so I haven't payed attention to it. I am a novice guitar player, but Holly never came to mind as someone I should study. Help me here! Thanks, Steve also, just put IME's Scenery and Fish into the Mac and I love the enhanced content! Really killer tunes and some really weird shit! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:21:12 -0600 (CST) From: evan andrew nelson To: email_address_removed Subject: Zrock Message-ID: According to a media web page I saw, Zrock was discontinued nationwide at the end of the year by ABC, who bought the network some time ago and decided there was no longer a market for metal :( Some stations, such as WHZT here in Champaign, switched formats a little early (to classic rock). Personally, I think Zrock was at its peak about 4 years ago.. ever since then they've played so much mainstream music that it kind of lost its uniqueness. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jan 1997 19:06:50 -0000 From: "Ken McWatters" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Z-Rock Message-ID: About Z-Rock, First, it was where I first heard DT. I had actually read about this cool new band called Dream Theater on the NMS, and their single being PMU. Well, I recognized the title when I heard the song, and sure enough, by the time it was over I knew I liked the band. Z-Rock went on to play most of the songs on IAW as singles or on request shows.. pretty cool. About Z-Rock. I think there have been local versions, but the nationwide version is/was based out of Dallas, TX.. that's where all the DJs are. They apparently were able to open up new affiliates in medium to large radio markets at low cost, and didn't mind losing them. They started up one in College Station, TX in 1994 on a brand new frequency for the area, then the station switched formats about a year later. Z-Rock has been on AM, FM (mostly), and even shortwave (!) around 1992 on WRNO out of New Orleans. I've also seen them on the decline around Texas. They haven't had an affiliate in Dallas or Houston for a few years. I believe the Austin one switched formats sometime last year. The only remnant I know of is in College Station, where a local AOR/classic rock station picked them up to relay them on weekend nights (and other various times, but daytime they have their own DJs/programming). What sucks is that they succumbed to the alternative bug and play that crap all the time. Hard rock is barely in their schedule anymore. So I don't consider it a big loss that they're probably on their way down the tubes. Ken P.S. You can see the latest Z-Rock 1000 posted on that College Station radio station's website. Its callsign is KTSR.. you can probably do a search and browse your way to it. ************************************************************* Ken McWatters email_address_removed http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters Quote of the month: "I'm holding on to life/I'm floating in a stream/Everything's much clearer now/We live within a dream and never wake" -Kansas, "Child of Innocence", Masque ************************************************************* --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:35:27 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Grim88) To: email_address_removed Subject: Hidden Tracks, Vixen, Klank. DTC? no.... Message-ID: > >On the GC hidden tracks: I agree that they are extrememly annoying. To the >guy who said 'try listening to Soace in Your Face' on a car stereo : That's >for damn sure! If I want to hear thos tracks , I have to manually forward >through every empty track to get to it. I don't even waste my time anymore - >what a waste of a track if I don't get to listen to it. > Waht is wrong with the hidden tracks on this particular album that yu can't just leave it go? I have numerous CD's with hiden tracks an I jsut leave them run till it gets there. Klank: Still can't find it anywhere....Maybe some one could pick it up for me? Email me privatly first of course. Vixen. Another I've been searching for for quite a while. Do they have a greatest hits? Ryan Beall aka: Grim88 email_address_removed email_address_removed http://members.tripod.com/~Grim88/index.html "Might as well. Can't dance" -- Jay "Popinjay" Ackroyd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:55:26 -0500 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: Boston Ytse-Lunch (II) Message-ID: Hi All .... A few months back, a few of us in the Boston area (only 4) got together to meet and have lunch a day. It was cool meeting new jammers and its always good to see old ones, so I was thinking about extending the invitation a little more. So, if anyone in the Boston area thinks they might be interested, let me know. We are currently aiming for Saturday, Jan 25th. I would say since we are calling this a lunch we are gonna plan for noonish (I should be able to get rid of my hangover by then). And since there is a good concentration of people in the Kenmore Square area, we are thinking that would probably be the best place to have it. So, if you would like to come, please email me. Any suggestions about where to eat are welcome. There is a Pizzeria Unos right in Kenmore Square, so that may be the ideal place, but Newbury Street is not too far away, so there are definately some choices. OK, enough from me. Hope to hear from all you locals soon. Later! Skadz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:02:57 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Our Lady Peace, Symphony X/IQ, Artension Message-ID: In a message dated 1/14/97 6:39:16 PM, you wrote: << When did you see them? Was it when they opened for Van Halen last summer? That show was filmed in Toronto and MuchMusic runs it occasionally as a Big Ticket. I no longer have this on tape, but someone else may. >> i saw them in summer 95 in support of VH in new jersey, i would love a tape anyone have one private email me laterz, stan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:11:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: I need some 'legs! Message-ID: SOMEBODY HELP ME!! SEND ME SOME BOOTLEG, particulary the ones from Fix for 96! I really want them and I will pay the cost of the tape and any postal fees associated with the mailing of them. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:53:47 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: half the world sucks, while the other half blows Message-ID: > John Petrucci is absolutely phenomenal, but he HASN'T influenced HALF as > many musicians as Kurt Cobain. I guess GW might have done better if they had put "Top 100 Most *Influential* Guitarists", but the media is noted for using vague tag lines as a hook to sell you something that you might not otherwise buy. Yes, GW reached their intended goal. Maybe they ought to reconsider the intent. ------------------------------ Influenced yes, but in what way? :) ONE musician influenced by John Petrucci - an accomplished, formally trained musician with a great respect for the art form - is worth at least four times as much as HALF of the musicians influenced by the late Mr. Cobain. The actual math invloved is beyond the scope of this document and is left as an exercise for the reader :) I believe George Carlin said something like "if you think the average person is stupid, just remember that half the people in the world are even more stupid than that" *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------* P.S. Anyone wanna take Green Bay and give me 13 1/2? :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:26:05 -0500 From: Lars Hellsten To: email_address_removed Subject: The Jam... Message-ID: I agree with Ben. The list has really gone downhill lately. Granted, at least there haven't been any stupid debates the last couple of weeks resulting in about 15 new jams a day. Anyway, I've been on here for about 2 and a half years now (god, I feel old), and at one time I was one of the most frequent posters, but now I can't even remember when I last posted. Why? Because the jam sucks now! I guess part of it is also that there hasn't been much to be excited about lately for anyone outside of the NYC area, seeing as back when the Jam was so good, Awake had just come out and the band was touring. Part of it seems to be the influx of new Internet users the last couple of years. It seemed like a while ago we had far more musicians on the list, and far more talk about music instead of just talk about other bands, and there was far more information I found useful and interesting. Damn, you all suck. :) Anyway, I may unsubscribe until the end of school seeing as I just don't have the time to read all this mail. Or at least until DT releases their new album and there's some more interesting stuff to read. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:57:54 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: in search of dt keys music? Message-ID: this goes to craig wuthrich and anyone else interested in dt keys music: i'm back in business. my encore is up and running! which means my kevin moore-approved transcription of "wait for sleep" is ready to be sent. craig- i need the address you want it to go to. anyone else, email me for more info. for those doubtful of the veridity of the transcription, as i said, kevin moore himself saw it, and about 30 or so other ytsejammers approved too, when they picked it up. now for business: re: y kant tori read in case this hasn't been covered, you can get any one of the various bootleg copies at most import music shops. easy to find. mine also has some live stuff from her 92 tour, and "song for eric" the tune kevin moore covered. as for finding an original, good fucking luck. her label only made a few thousand then, and have long been out of print. there's about 7 or 8 versions of the album now, and they're all boots. but hey- you get the album, why complain? to ripzero, in search of old prince: i have a boot from 86 that is pretty interesting. if interested email me rick audet: nice job pulling out the musician's paper article. wow. used to read that ages ago..funny shit. and i'm sure i'm into petrucci's "detailed strumming". what the fuck is that supposed to mean? does he look good while strumming. does he do it like a renaissance artist would, with panache? i'm sure one of the sicker-minded jammers can answer it (whoever that was with the "bafu on the rubber doll with the 'to grandma's or bust' sticker or whatver" is a good example), though. ok. enough shit. peace out. ytsegoon 5 cd's every goon can dig: a) john zorn- locus solus b) james brown- live at the apollo c) mr. mister- welcome to the real world d) david bowie- outside e) john coltrane- meditations ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:05:03 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows Message-ID: In a message dated 1/14/97 11:29:49 PM, you wrote: <<> John Petrucci is absolutely phenomenal, but he HASN'T influenced HALF as > many musicians as Kurt Cobain.>> and this id all attributed to the BIG_WIG record executives who decide whats hot for the general public, this is the reason why so many people list Kurt Cocaine as an influence cause at one point that was all you saw or heard on EMPTYV and the radio, people were never given the chance to hear what other people were doing with instruments(Other than power chords and things of that nature) if it was the record companies deciding that people wouldnt be able to follow something that goes from 9/8 to 5/4 and so on and that they could only follow something that is much simplier that that is a huge insult to everyone. Laterz, Stan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: The Jam... Message-ID: In a message dated 1/14/97 11:26:42 PM, you wrote: <> so leave, Part of it seems to be the influx of new Internet users the last couple of years. It seemed like a while ago we had far more musicians on the list, and far more talk about music instead of just talk about other bands, and there was far more information I found useful and interesting. hence my screenname i am a musician, i agree with you on this point. And:: Damn, you all suck. :) Anyway, I may unsubscribe until the end of school seeing as I just don't have the time to read all this mail. Or at least until DT releases their new album and there's some more interesting stuff to read. Uhhhhhhhh, no on the sucking thing, if thats your attitude then please pack your Ytse-suitcase and check out of the hotel, but don't accuse everyone else of sucking especially when you yourself admitted to not posting in a LONG time, maybe its just your effervessant posting presence that had made the jam as good as you had said it was, personally i (IMO To: email_address_removed Subject: Marillion/DT & Boots/Ian GillAn/YKTR Message-ID: Here we go again! About Marillion: I have a couple of videos of them in concert from 1983 and 87 and I think both of them are really good. Very Prog though and not heavy at all. If you're looking for prog music with Metal influences then Marillion may not be your kind of band. But if you enjoy classic prog along the lines of Hackett era Genesis then I would recommend them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >I thought DT encouraged bootlegs? Not at all! Mike Portnoy doesn't mind them and if you check Mike Bahr's list of paid CD's you usually see Mike P with three spots taken. The rest of the band is not happy with them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Y Kant Tori Read cost a fortune? I saw a copy or two a few >months ago for $25, new. How is the sound quality? I'm not >a "fan", but I do like a lot of her stuff. This happens. I bought a used Freddie Mercury CD for $9 and then I see the same one on the Queen list and it's being sold for $225!!!! I wish I wasn't such a big Queen fan or I'd sell that bad boy. But I can't bring myself to it. I have the Bootleg of YKTR and it sounds like a regular disc to me, that's why I wasn't sure if it was a boot or legit. It also has some bonus trax which are: 1. Ode to The Banana King (part one) 2. Song For Eric 3. Happy Phantom (live) 4. Ring My Bell 5. The Happy Worker 6. Workers ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ian Gillan has been mostly on and off with Deep Purple since 'In >Rock. He's not the original singer but has been with them the >longest. I don't have it yet, but from what I hear he's on >Purpendicular as well (their latest release). Rod Evans was the original singer and YES! Ian IS the singer on DP's latest disc, Purpendicular. For the Dixie Dregs fans, Steve Morse plays guitar on this disc and from what I've heard of it you can sure hear his influence on this disc. "Blood stained the sun red today." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:21:49 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: half the world sucks, while the other half blows Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > > In a message dated 1/14/97 11:29:49 PM, you wrote: > > <<> John Petrucci is absolutely phenomenal, but he HASN'T influenced HALF as > > many musicians as Kurt Cobain.>> > > and this id all attributed to the BIG_WIG record executives who decide whats > hot for the general public, this is the reason why so many people list Kurt > Cocaine as an influence cause at one point that was all you saw or heard on > EMPTYV and the radio, and also.. like me.. it was easy to be influenced by cobain..cuz his music was so simple.. id love for my guitar playing to be influenced by JP, but since hes such a virtuoso..then id have to practically do some stuff similar to him... then that way is much harder..while Kurt's stuff was SO easy than anyone could pick it up in a week..therefore spawning many kurt-like players (including myself before i realized alternative was no music for a person who really wanted to be a proficient guitarrist) Seize the day, I heard him say : "Life will not always be this way, Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... " WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:42:06 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: MIKE PORTNOY DRUM TRANSCRIPTIONS Message-ID: <199701142236.TAA02808@uio> I personnaly don't know if there are complete Mike Portnoy drum transcriptions books of an specific album, and if you find out that such threasures do really exist, please let me know.What I do know is that Mike recently released his first instructional video.....WOW, that must be incredible. If the odd times cause you problems (9/8, or most commonly used by Mike, 11/8), you can ask for some one to lend you the John Petrucci's Guitar transcriptions to AWAKE and IAW. These books do exist, and in each phrase of each song, the time in which it is played by the guys is specified, so you can just apply them to your drumming. However, there ARE some drum transcriptions I've seen for MP grooves "available": the only problem is that they just show you the basic battern of the song, but maybe you'll find it useful. The first one I know appears in an article of Modern Drummer Magazine, on the December 93 issue, on page 48, article named: Mike Portnoy, off the record, IAW. Here you'll find the basic rythm patterns for PMU, TTT, Surrounded, and UAGMoon. The second one I know appears on the Sabian 1995 Newsbeat Catalog, on page 20, where Mike's personal transcription to the 6:00 basic splash groove ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:42:06 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: how to get some DT drum tramscriptions Message-ID: <199701142236.TAA02814@uio> Hi Daniel!!! My name is Jose Luis Baez Escudero, I live in Quito, Ecuador, South America, and I'm a progressive drummer since 1993. About those Dt drum transcriptions yous asked about on the list: I personnaly don't know if there are complete Mike Portnoy drum transcriptions books of an specific album, and if you find out that such threasures do really exist, please let me know.What I do know is that Mike recently released his first instructional video.....WOW, that must be incredible. If the odd times cause you problems (9/8, or most commonly used by Mike, 11/8), you can ask for some one to lend you the John Petrucci's Guitar transcriptions to AWAKE and IAW. These books do exist, and in each phrase of each song, the time in which it is played by the guys is specified, so you can just apply them to your drumming. However, there ARE some drum transcriptions I've seen for MP grooves "available": the only problem is that they just show you the basic battern of the song, but maybe you'll find it useful. The first one I know appears in an article of Modern Drummer Magazine, on the December 93 issue, on page 48, article named: Mike Portnoy, off the record, IAW. Here you'll find the basic rythm patterns for PMU, TTT, Surrounded, and UAGMoon. The second one I know appears on the Sabian 1995 Newsbeat Catalog, on page 20, where Mike's personal transcription to the 6:00 basic splash groove. If you can't find those articles, just tell me and I'll send you by ordinary mail a copy of them I'll be glad to share with you all other kind of info concerned with DT, MP or RUSH, so please tell me where do you live, do you speak spanish, how old are you, and answer me to the following address: email_address_removed CHAO ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2185 **************************