YTSEJAM Digest 2167 Today's Topics: 1) Christmas CDs by Graham Borland 2) Re: inferno/Badlands by Scott Holthausen 3) IME by "Mike Patrick" 4) Gillen, who am I? (not sponsered by the wellness plan) by "Kevin W. Madden" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2166 by Chris Ptacek 6) Length of early Rush albums by durnik 7) Rush LD/Superior news? by Scott X 8) Sorry about the message..... by Aarre Numminen 9) the old Rush LPs by Scott X 10) Re: Dragon Attack (Queen Tribute) by Aarre Numminen 11) Hear N' Aid video by Scott X 12) Back Bacon by Adam Barnhart 13) IME recommendations-reply by BILL HUSTON 14) Rick Wright, Hear N Aid by email_address_removed (Rick Terry) 15) Metallica set lists needed! by Scott X 16) I'm back/Amorphis... by Hard Rock 17) A particle of mercy by Jon Parmet 18) THE MIRROR News? by email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) 19) Re: Fire Garden by Jan Melander ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:50:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland To: YtseJam Subject: Christmas CDs Message-ID: Hello :-) Who has the lowest numbered Christmas CD? I can't remember offhand, but I think mine is #854. According to the latest edition of Kerrang!, "Dream Theater are currently recording a new album which is due for release in May". I think they're badly informed. Graham B. _______________________________________________ | o o | | Graham Borland |:: | email_address_removed.ac.uk |:: | http://grelb.src.gla.ac.uk:8000/~graham |:: |_______________________________________________|:: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 18:09:56 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Holthausen To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: inferno/Badlands Message-ID: Pat Daugherty wrote: >Other albums that Ray has sung on: >George Lynch's Sacred Groove: sings on one song I think you have him confused with *Ian* Gillen, the first lead singer for Lynch Mob. I believe Ray was dead by the time Sacred Groove was recorded. Or mabey not. . . Scott Holthausen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:47:19 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" To: "DT" Subject: IME Message-ID: How does IME compare to DT? They don't, other than the fact that IME opened for some shows on the Awake tour. Nonetheless, they are GREAT. Scenery and Fish is in my top five of last year. When I saw them live, I said to myself, "Gosh, Miami Sound Machine on crack." They would lock into a huge groove and the percussionist would just GO OFF. Scenery and Fish has some of that, but it is REALLY melodic in spots and just a tad more 'popish' than DT. These guys are one of those bands that aren't easily categorized and unfortunately will probably suffer the same fate as other bands that that could be said of - they are are destined to wander the earth in musical obscurity. Mike email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 13:47:44 -0500 From: "Kevin W. Madden" To: extra large pizza-eating individuals Subject: Gillen, who am I? (not sponsered by the wellness plan) Message-ID: First, the Sabbath album that Gillen recorded, but then was recorded over by Tony Martin, was entitled "The Eternal Idol." Or maybe it was "Headless Cross." One of those two. Both of which are excellent records, I might add. Just pretend you have never heard of the Ozzy era, and imagine a new band. That's a sore spot with me. Most of the post-Ozzy era Sabbath is extremely well written and performed metal. It's the Sabbath name that screws everything up. There is a compilation of the post Ozzy era entitled "The Sabbath Stones" which contains all the best Tony Martin era material. Second, some asked about who some people on the Queen tribute were. Paul Shortino was the singer for 80's cheese metal band Ruff Cutt or however they spelled it. John Bush was the singer in the excellent, underrated LA band Armored Saint. He now sings for Anthrax. Mark Boals sang on a few Yngwie Malmsteen cd's, and was accompanying YM on his latest tour here in the states. P.S I think the word "era" was used too many times throughout this post. JFYI Kevin GO WINGS!!! GO PACKERS!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:54:21 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2166 Message-ID: > From: "Ollila Marko" > Subject: Stratovarius/Amorphis/Waltari (NDTC) > Chris Ptacek, you said that Amorphis sucks. Fine. I respect you opinion. > Now I'd like to know why do you think they suck. Is it the vox that turn > you away or what? You definitely should give them another chance, only this > time listen the growling vocalist like he was just an instrument supporting > the keyboards. That should give you a different aspect to their stuff. :) > Not that I'm politicking (is that a word) for Finnish metal or anything! :P Since I fancy myself somewhat reasonable, I will explain myself. I was just making a point, so I didn't really expect to be confronted on this... A good while ago two of my better friends were telling me about this "Awesome Band!" that I had to hear. They were referring to Amorphis. They pumped the band up huge, telling me about everything they do. I was quite interested, but it took them two weeks to get around to showing me the music. It turned out that it was more "doom" and depressing than I'm into, and it didn't have the complexity that I so enjoy. This is a prime example of a time when my saying "this band sucks" is to be taken as an opinion, and is definately something yuo can and should disagree with if you like the band. I like doom metal with clear vocals, or death metal with the growling vocals... but I'm not a big fan of slower doom metal with the growling vocals. I do understand the music's appeal to listeners, but it didn't do anything for me. I will note that I am planning to listen to their most recent release. I'm told it's considerably different from their other work (much to my friends' dismay). My idea of good doom metal is Ved Buens End, Solitude Aeturnus, Candlemass Etc... I will give Amorphis another listen, if you can point me in the direction of what you would consider their finer songs. Thanks Chris Ptacek email_address_removed - "That Ptacek fool" - Master of the surreptitiosly trite - Keeper of the tomes of preconceived notion - salt water taffy=bad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:04:00 -0700 (MST) From: durnik To: email_address_removed Subject: Length of early Rush albums Message-ID: To the person who asked why older Rush albums are only 40 minutes long... Back then they were all on LP, which can only do 23 minutes per side without grooving too thin to guarantee non-skipping. A great many Rush albums push THAT limit to the edge, such as Caress of Steel and Power Windows. My Hold Your Fire LP skips like mad because it's 25 or so minutes per side. By then, CDs were coming into vogue, so Rush started writing 55-60 minute albums instead of 40-45 minute albums. So please be fair to the Boyz in Rush... their obstacle was nothing more than the technology of the time. :) - Mike Bahr - email_address_removed - ASU Sun Devils 11-1, PAC 10 Champs! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) From: Scott X To: email_address_removed Subject: Rush LD/Superior news? Message-ID: >RUSH: Grace Under Pressure >VHS and LD: Out of Print. >European (UK/Germany) and Japanese LD: In print and currently available at >most Tower Records, Incredible Universe, and Camelot shops. You can still find the laserdisc fairly easily. Here in the Bay Area I come across it on a regular basis, but it's at full retail (29.95) Ken Crane's in Westminster, CA might have it and if they do it would only be 23.95. Also, I was off the jam for a while so if there's any news about Superior I would love to hear it, especially if it has to do with touring America! (I can dream, can't I?) Scott ***************************************************************************** "We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!" from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights" ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:20:30 +0100 (MET) From: Aarre Numminen To: email_address_removed Subject: Sorry about the message..... Message-ID: Woohoo! Talk about a fuck-up.... *blushing* I guess my message for Mike Bahr went straight to the jam, sorry about that... Just a bit confused about the ack mode... Mika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scott X To: email_address_removed Subject: the old Rush LPs Message-ID: >I'm also starting to get into Rush. I promised myself I wouldn't, cause >with 20+ albums, that's a lot of money. However, a local used shop has >just about all of them so maybe in time... I also wish that they would >have waited until they had a whole album's worth of stuff before releasing >something every year. Their CDs must average about 35-40 minutes each. Back in the days before Compact Disc (yes, SOME of us are old enough to remember those days) the format of choice was the LP, today known as Vinyl. For optimum sound performance they say a record should be between 16-22 minutes per side. Rush's albums fell within this area. Also, most albums released were :30 (Van Halen & KISS) as Much as :45-:50 (Genesis). By today's standards Rush's albums are short, back then they were average in length, but not quality. I would argue that even though they were only :36-:40, they are better then most albums today that are :50+. Scott ps - Sometimes this CD format can be a pain in the ass too. All The World's A Stage has a song missing from the LP version (What You're Doing) but it doesn't list that on the back at all. I think there's a track missing on Exit Stage Left also. ***************************************************************************** "We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!" from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights" ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:24:27 +0100 (MET) From: Aarre Numminen To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dragon Attack (Queen Tribute) Message-ID: What's the Dragon Attack CD??? Who's on it? Information is _wanted_! Email me personally about it, ok? Thanks in advance, Mika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:31:42 -0800 (PST) From: Scott X To: email_address_removed Subject: Hear N' Aid video Message-ID: Yo! I have the Hear N' Aid video that's been discussed lately. I made mine directly from the factory master so it's really nice quality and is in stereo. Running time total is :30. It contains the video for the song and the making of the song. If Anyone would like a copy I'd be willing to set up a trade. Email me your list and we'll work something out. Scott ***************************************************************************** "We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!" from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights" ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:34:45 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart To: email_address_removed Subject: Back Bacon Message-ID: >From: "woot" > >Recently picked up The Galactic Cowboys self-titled. I've given it more >than it's fair chance, and I'm still not very impressed. It does have its >moments, like track #2 is pretty cool, but I find myself comparing again... "I'm Not Amused" is a classic, to my was of thinking, as is "Why Can't You Believe In Me." Trendy, I guess....the two singles. I guess I just don't agree with the assessment above. Though, if you're getting into the band, I'd start with "Space In Your Face." >I'm also starting to get into Rush. I promised myself I wouldn't, cause >with 20+ albums, that's a lot of money. However, a local used shop has >just about all of them so maybe in time... I also wish that they would >have waited until they had a whole album's worth of stuff before releasing >something every year. Their CDs must average about 35-40 minutes each. That's actually a time-period thing, rather than a Rush thing. A 40 minute record in 1977 is actually a little on the long side. Look at the first Van Halen record, for example. Rush and Genesis actually made some of the longest records of the late-70's. We won't even talk about The Ramones. At any rate, like everyone else, Rush is making hour-long albums now, for better or worse. And my own commentary on the Marillion thing: It's certainly very possible for a Dream Theater fan not to like Marillion. Chris Ptacek correctly mentions that Marillion certainly isn't a metal band and a lot of people don't consider them to be "real" prog. Of course, a lot of people also don't consider Rush, Queensryche, King's X, Fates Warning, Pink Floyd, and, yes, Dream Theater, to be progressive, either. I do, and highly, highly recommend all of those bands to everyone I can every chance I get. At any rate, I think Dream Theater and Marillion ARE similar and are both Progressive bands (though I don't think they're as similar as Dream Theater and Rush....heh). And Marillion's awesome....one of my favorite bands. Five Gratutitous CD's: ====================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Budgie: Budgie 3. Queen: A Night At The Opera 4. Alanis Morrissette: Jagged Little Pill 5. ZZ Top: Eliminator Adam D. Barnhart email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 12:57:58 -0700 From: BILL HUSTON To: email_address_removed Subject: IME recommendations-reply Message-ID: Randall Braun asked about IME disks and comparisons. I have them both. Initially, I think I like Dig better. But, I have only had S&F for a week. I do think this one will grow on me because I'm already humming 'One More Astronaut'. S&F does not sound like a continuation of Dig-they are two different albums going in different directions. They don't remind me of DT at all. Randall, if you can get Dig in the cutouts, by all means buy it, it's a damn good CD. S&F also is an enhanced CD meaning that you get Quicktime to download and several little 'movies' of the band with some music from both albums-kinda neat. So, in conclusion, I would recommend Dig first then get S&F or just buy them both, it'll be worth it. Wilmo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 19:52:01 GMT From: email_address_removed (Rick Terry) To: email_address_removed Subject: Rick Wright, Hear N Aid Message-ID: Greetings fellow Ytsefruit of the Womb! >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 05:00:00 -0500 >From: email_address_removed >and rick terry- mad fat props for the info on the rick wright cd. i >understand manu katche (one of my favorite drummers) is on that cd, = along >with sting's guitarist, dominic miller. look foward to finding it.=20 Thou art welcome, oh master of infinite goondom! :) You shouldn't have too much trouble locating it. It's readily available at most of the major chains. >Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 09:26:56 -0600 >From: Madelaine >It is the one from Hear N Aid, and to get it, you have to >FIND Hear N Aid in the first place!! (my local import store has it, but = it's >rather expensive...) Unless you absolutely can't live without that song, I would suggest passing on Hear N Aid. In truth, Stars is the only good track on it, with the exception of a version of Rush' Distant Early Warning taken from the GUP tour in 1984. Also, there is a very notable buzz at the beginning of Stars on the CD that was not on the original vinyl. I have both of these. If you can get the boot with an alternate version, I'd say grab it. The guitar solos may be different.=20 Also, in case you aren't aware of this, the CD version was MUCH longer than the radio play version with a TON of solos, so if you like 80s shred, that's a little added bonus. :) Cheers, Rick Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:56:38 -0800 (PST) From: Scott X To: "" Subject: Metallica set lists needed! Message-ID: Hi! If anyone has been to any of the Metallica show EXCEPT Fresno, San Jose & San Fran, could you please send them to me? I guess Lars said they're changing the set every night to keep it fresh. An if the three nights I went are an indication he's right. It's changed a little every show. Scott ***************************************************************************** "We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!" from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights" ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:12:16 -0600 (CST) From: Hard Rock To: The Perfect Strangers Subject: I'm back/Amorphis... Message-ID: Back from Winter break. I spent the break with my girlfriend in NJ, and I had no clue how boring that place really is. Lots of deer, though, and that's real exciting for a New York City boy. In defense of Amorphis, in the little bit I've heard, they definitely struck me. "Black Winter Day" is a way cool song, complete with growls and regular singing and keyboards and everything. You could accuse them of sucking, but not for being unoriginal or your average run-of-the-mill-trying-to-sound-the-same death metal band. Later. Take it easy, "To be is to do" - Plato Charlie Harrison "To do is to be" - Aristotle "Hard Rock" (NYC) "Doo bee doo bee doo" - Sinatra /} / / / / /> "Vato" ,__________/ //{----/{________________________________ "Vato" Miami /| ==========|/\|-----/_________________________________\ Miami NYC \| ==========|\/|-----\_________________________________/ NYC '~~~~~~~~~~\ \\{----\{ \ \ \> "Having a sensitive member of the "Seasons change... \ \ audience; it's like having another and so can I" \} member of the band..." -DREAM THEATER -JOHN COLTRANE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:40:44 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: A particle of mercy Message-ID: Started giving TfE a closer listen over the holidays and I'm liking it more and more. My favorite so far is The Color of Right. The lyrics, as Neil so often does, wonderfully combine the etherial with the down home. One of those melodies that makes ya jump up out of your seat and grab the axe. *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------* Goodnight Steelers... Jacksonville, you may now begin cleaning off the golf clubs too! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:44:26 +0100 (MEZ) From: email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: THE MIRROR News? Message-ID: Hello! Just a quick note for all German speaking Jammers - again: Wer Info ueber THE MIRROR, den deutschen DT-Fanclub haben will, einfach in die Webpages schauen: http://www.westend.com/TheMirror Wer keinen Internetzugang hat, kann mich auch per Mail erreichen: email_address_removed Das Fanzine hat sich aus allerlei Gruenden verzoegert, und im Moment suche ich noch nach einer anstaendigen Druckerei, aber das wird schon noch. Mehrfach wurden die "monatlichen Newsletter" erwaehnt (Hallo, Olaf). Davon war nie die Rede. Wenn es keine oder nur sehr wenige News gibt, so wie im Moment, warum sollte ich dann Newsletter verschicken? Nicht vergessen, der mit Abstand groesste Teil der Mitglieder bekommt gedruckte News, und es waere unfair, nur fuer ein "nix neues" deren Geld aus dem Fenster zu schmeissen. Diejenigen mit Netzugang koennen die aktuellsten News auf den Webpages lesen oder mich direkt fragen - der regulaere Newsletter kommt nur bei Bedarf. On with the Jam... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE MIRROR German Dream Theater Fanzine email_address_removed http://www.westend.com/TheMirror ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 21:57:30 -0000 From: Jan Melander To: Subject: Re: Fire Garden Message-ID: >Holy hell....I finally picked up Vai's Fire Garden and man does it rock! > >Baghdad and Fire Suite are awesome: rockn' Arabian music! Yepp! I agree! But did You know that *Bangkok* was written by the ex-ABBA members/songwriters Bjorn & Benny for their musical Chess? Check out the music to Chess, it is realy good. Vai have rearanged the piece quite a lot on the record but I saw him on the Skyscraper Tour with DLR and at that time he did Bangkok in almost the same arangement as in Chess as the main part of his solo number, it was amazing. Cheers,. --------------------------------------------------------------- Jan Melander WM-Data email_address_removed.se --------------------------------------------------------------- "Until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead, The faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled" Innocence Faded - Dream Theater ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2167 **************************