YTSEJAM Digest 2162 Today's Topics: 1) Badlands info by Thomas Quigley 2) MP Video by Jonathan Case 3) Website Changes, please read... by "Rudy van IJzendoorn" 4) Savatage is definitely NOT death metal by email_address_removed (J. E. James) 5) I'm back! by The Digital Man 6) RE: SG#1 order from MC by Randall Braun 7) Re: 3rd degree by Jon Parmet 8) Re: female singers by matt rosin 9) Acronyms/Savatage by email_address_removed (Pat Sullivan) 10) Yes, the Rush tribute, AGAIN... by Andrew Forcier 11) Re: DT 95 Theme by "Steve Lehrfeld" 12) by Scott X 13) Bombay Vindaloo by Pat Daugherty 14) No way!! by Brian Wherry 15) LTL lyrics by email_address_removed (Scott R Luttringer) 16) Marillion *does* "rule" by Mark Bredius ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 10:08:29 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Quigley To: email_address_removed Subject: Badlands info Message-ID: Hey jammers, Sorry about the lack of DT content, as I'm still recovering from my Birch Hill delirium. I saw someone post something about L'amour and the various bands that played there a few years back. I was listening to some Badlands this weekend, and I was wondering the details of the tragic end to Ray Gillen's life. I know he left us a few years back, I remember seeing a tribute notice about it, but was wondering the exact date and cause of death (not being morbid, just a curious fan). I saw them a few times here in the NYC area back in 90-91, and was wondering. Anyone with info, please advise... "A winter's cold wind calls me and says....come fly away" Q ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 09:59:24 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Case To: email_address_removed Subject: MP Video Message-ID: Sorry Vince, But I think that if anyone has a copy of this video and would be willing to sell it, it should go to a drummer (maybe like....me?!). I used to think Niel Peart was the best drummer - perhaps he still is all around the best rock percussionist, but Portnoy does some of the most amazing coordinations not meant to be performed by a human! If anyone is out there ith this video, can you e-mail me at email_address_removed Thanks so much, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:39:52 +0100 From: "Rudy van IJzendoorn" To: Subject: Website Changes, please read... Message-ID: Hey Jammerz, I'd like to let everyone know that I have made some changes, updates to my website. Here's what's changed: * The YtseWeb page (IRC) has been updated. Wanna see some new jammer faces? Then come on over :-) * Album of 1996 poll results. Thanks to Mike 'Syrinx' Ostrich for supplying me the list. Thanks to all of you who have voted btw. A sucky thing has happened as well. Due to a computercrash I have lost a whole bunch of guestbook entries :-( ... If you have signed the guestbook, but you don't see your entry on the list, please sign it again. I will make sure your entry is added immediately. OK that's it for now. Any comments ? E-Mail me about it. Thanks to all the ppl who have visited the site so far. Please stop by on the site again :-) Rudy van IJzendoorn ____________________________________________ DrEaM tHeAtEr: OnLine <=> UnDeR a CyBeR mOoN [http://www.prognosis.com/dream] ->email_address_removed/judas@worldaccess.nl<- ->rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl<- Żv1.0ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻAriAL sIGŻ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:09:34 -0800 From: email_address_removed (J. E. James) To: email_address_removed, Subject: Savatage is definitely NOT death metal Message-ID: Yahoo doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. They have had 2 vocalists throughout their 10 album career. The first 7 albums feature Jon Oliva, who is my favorite singer. He can sound incredibly evil when hitting certain high notes, but I have never heard him use a death metal growl. The latest 3 albums have Zachary Stevens on vocals, and I guess technically he has a better voice than Jon Oliva, but I don't like it as much :) The last album, Dead Winter Dead, is with Zachary but has Jon Oliva singing two songs, I Am, and Doesn't Matter Anyway. Their earlier stuff is thrash metal, and their later stuff is more progressive artsy classical influence metal. If you just want progressive I would recommend getting Gutter Ballet, Streets, Edge of Thorns, Handfull of Rain, and Dead Winter Dead. If you wanna know what I'm talking about when I say Jon can sound evil, listen to "Beyond the Doors of the Dark" off their "Hall of the Mountain King" album. That album btw has the song "In the Hall of the Mountain King" by that composer Grieg. Although Savatage calls it Prelude to Madness, and use it as a prelude to their Hall of the Mountain King song. Hope this helps Justin the High Cleric of Lickalick (ps: if you get Fight for the Rock, don't think it is representative of their other stuff, it's not, this album is very commercial sounding, still a good album, but nothing compared to their other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:36:41 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" Subject: I'm back! Message-ID: It's been three long weeks, but I survived. Three weeks in LI without Internet access - Mom's modem died, and she didn't tell me about it. :( But now, I'm back in Vermont, with my computer and Ethernet card. Yay! First, to everyone I owe a tape: Please continue to be patient. I've fallen somewhat behind on trades, because I don't have a dual tape deck at home, and I couldn't tell anyone because I didn't have any net access. Bafu, your package arrived after I left for break, so I only got it today. Pam, I mailed you. Jim, SOON! I promise. :) Tapeswap people - well, I've gotten a lot of new CDs, so hopefully you'll find the wait worthwhile. :) Next, the FAQ: I've gotten a lot of stuff to put in the next installment of the FAQ. Enough that I'm going to move the version number up to 4.5. I'm also going to try to tweak the format somewhat to make it look better. Suggestions are always welcome! Marcel: I picked up Lemur Voice over the break. Holy shit! You guys did a kick-ass job on this one! Your bassist is one of the best I've heard in a long time. And that crazy shit you do on Akasha - ouch! I hurt my hands *thinking* about air-guitaring to that one! I also picked up Altura's "Mercy" over the break. I've only listened to it about three or four times now, but the first impression I got is that they try too hard. It seemed to me that all too often they were weird for the sake of being weird. Little runs placed haphazardly here and there with no distinct melody or rhythm that just seem to detract from the song. And you can feel the drummer holding back from screaming "I wanna be like Mike!" The Jam: God knows how far behind I am. The last one I read was probably dated 12/17 or so. But I do intend to read them all, even if it takes me a few days. The #jam: Hopefully I'll be able to make an appearance this week. I have a ton of stuff to catch up on, since I thought I was going to have a computer for three weeks and didn't. D'oh! OK, enough rambling. Gotta get myself back into VT mode again. Happy thought of the week: Once I get my hands on A Farewell to Kings and A Show of Hands, I'll have every Rush album on CD. Woohoo! Laters! -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:46:26 -0600 From: Randall Braun To: Andrew G Stiles Cc: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: RE: SG#1 order from MC Message-ID: Andrew: I got my copy of SG from MC on Friday 1/3/97. It's quite good. Not quite a match for CIS. But then you might expect it to be, if you know the history (on the MC homepage). Still it's worth the $$. Hopefully you'll get yours soon. Have worthwhile New Year. See ja on the JAM. -Randall Y'JAMMERS-take note if you've ordered direct from Magna Carta -----Original Message----- From: Andrew G Stiles [SMTP:email_address_removed Sent: Thursday, January 02, 1997 10:15 AM To: Randall Braun Subject: Re: SG#1 order from MC Randall, I sent in a personal check to MC for SG#1 on Dec 16th. With the holiday's and all, I didn't expect to receive the CD until maybe middle of January at the earliest. I know it takes at least 7-10 business days to guarantee funds for a personal check, and I imagine they ship the CD's in the least expensive (read "slowest") manner. I'll probably start bugging them if I don't have it in 4 weeks time (13 Jan). Andy ps. I'll let you know when I get mine, and how much nagging I have to do. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 17:43:59 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: Tymoteusz Altman Subject: Re: 3rd degree Message-ID: > i believe they have a web page with some sound clips as well. i can't > remember the url, but i think it's accessible from one fo the prog rock pages > (probaby the Dutch prog rock page). > I'd be interested in any reviews of their full-length album. I wrote up a quick review of it serveral weeks ago. I forgot which one. Since no one replied, I figured they weren't impressed with either the review or the group. I'll go dig it up if you want... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 11:45:31 -0600 From: matt rosin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: female singers Message-ID: >WALTARI and 3RD AND THE MORTAL (these are both combined with death >metal style vocals and are definitely heavy progressive metal) uhh... no. i've never heard waltari, but 3rd and the mortal is not death metal. and really not all that heavy. they are much more atmospheric, and i don't mean atmospheric metal. they're more in a dark-ambient vein. their newest one, "painting on glass", is one of the best albums i've ever heard. it's definitely in an ambient vein. -matt. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 12:53:07 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Pat Sullivan) To: email_address_removed Subject: Acronyms/Savatage Message-ID: >Okay, sorry for being the idiot, but just what does TOWHTSTS stand for? >Yes, I know...I'm making you type it out. Sue me. "The One Who Helps To Set The Sun", a song off of WDADU (When Dream And Day Unite), and album by DT (Dream Theater). ST (So There)! :):) ----- >I have been reading a lot recommendations from various people on the list >for Savatage (hence the header) and did some looking on the web. They are >listed under Death Metal at Yahoo. That's pretty damn funny. No they're NOT death metal. They're hard rock with prog/symphonic overtones. ----- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: email_address_removed IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html NP: Dream Theater - "When Dream And Day Unite" ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 13:31:47 -0800 From: Andrew Forcier To: email_address_removed Subject: Yes, the Rush tribute, AGAIN... Message-ID: Hello, Please, if after reading this, you choose to flame me, do so privately. It saves everyone the trouble of reading my reviews again and again and allows more precise points to be made by all parties involved. I feel I need to point some people in the right direction. If you go back and read my post about the Rush tribute, I never said once that I did not like the album because the songs did not sound enough like the originals. I agree with the person who cited *Watchtower* by Hendrix as the kind of creativity that can come from cover songs. Dave Matthews version is also exceptional and completely different. My problem was that I felt (that equals IMHO), some of the musicians did not exercise restraint in their playing or show due effort for a recorded work produced for sale. Examples: the ridiculously overdone drum line on the intro to Jacob's Ladder kills the mood of the entire piece. The lead guitar on Anthem, though well done, is too much in too many places. The end solo on Natural Science (a version I do LIKE with this exception BTW), show no respect for the confines of the key it is supposed to be in. Those are a few examples of why I thought many of the performers on this album did not do a good job. I also feel the production is lackluster, and it is very poorly mixed. The bass is way too far down in many of the songs, and there is little or no attention to the keys on some songs (the songs with keys, that is). Furthermore, the musicians seem to have thrown this together on a whim as their timing is out of sync and they solo and fill over each other, making some songs way too busy and downright annoying. On the other hand, I love the version of CTTH. The guitar solo is an excellent variation and the band is soooooo tight. The Analog Kid has amazing guitar lines that fit the piece well. And Stu Hamm's work on the album is excellent, though he does show a tendency to "show off" where a rhythm line is needed. Oh, and since he reads this: Marcel had one of the most solid performances on this album. Freewill's guitar was great. But then again, many of the vocals don't fit the mood of the songs. Jack Russell: good with Great White, but not on Analog Kid. And the guy heaving after every line in Jacob's Ladder. I don't care for it. But I do like Devin Townsend and James Labrie's work very much (biased on the latter). Devin's voice expresses the passion involved in the subject of the song without getting overbearing, like he occassionally did with Vai. And James is... well, he's James. In conclusion, I would like to say I have bought tribute albums in the past. Two of the more notable are Gn'R: The Spaghetti Incident and Stone Free: Jimi Hendrix tribute. Both of these albums have some incredible covers that sound very little like the originals. The Cure's Purple Haze, Nigel Kennedy's Fire, and Gn'R's Human Being are examples. I love these two albums and listen to them frequently. Working Man will never equal or come close to these albums because IN MY MIND the performers who made it, with a couple of exceptions (read Fates Warning), did not put the effort necessary into the album to call it a TRIBUTE. It merely stands as an album full of other bands that redo Rush songs. If you made it this far, I commend you. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:35:18 +0000 From: "Steve Lehrfeld" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT 95 Theme Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed > > hey all, > i was wondering, where can i get a windows '95 dt theme, and how do i > install it? thanks! > > mathew Check out the URL below. -steve ************************************************** DREG Records homepage: http://www.hutman.com/dreg/ Available now: * "DREGs of the Internet - Vol 1" - a dozen of the internet's best independent progressive rock & metal bands... * Facade's "fade" - original progressive rock... * FREE Dream Theater Theme for Windows 95 * FREE Bumper Stickers! ************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:29:40 -0800 (PST) From: Scott X To: email_address_removed Message-ID: >Hrm. Where's the prob. A local CD dealer around here always seems >to have a copy of Garage Days in his Metallica section. I dunno >where he gets em. Mebbe I'll ask. If you can afford to get them GET 'EM!!!!! There's one store in the area that sells all used discs for $9, but in the 3 yrs I've lived in SF area I've seen it once (and bought it quick). All the other times I've seen it it's been anuwhere from $30-40. Scott ***************************************************************************** "We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!" from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights" ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:34:24 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Bombay Vindaloo Message-ID: Someone wrote: >Someone mentioned that "Bombay Vindaloo" was similar to "Xanadu". Well, I >always thought that JP's guitar bit near the end of "Learning to Live" was >like Alex's guitar bit near the end of "Xanadu". I love both songs because >of these parts. I'm no musician but when I hear Bombay Vindaloo, I also hear bits of La Villa Stran.... Does anyone else hear this? |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty email_address_removed | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:47:19 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Wherry To: "DaYtseFriggin'Jam" Subject: No way!! Message-ID: So I'm sittin' here, bored out of my mind in upstate New York and my dad is doing laundry. He has this way of singing a bit while doing household chores and whatnot.... All of a sudden I hear the familiar melody, "You won't find it here....." I said, "DAD!! That's DREAM THEATER!!" And he says, "Damn right!" I just had to share this with you all. The guy listens to James Taylor and Gordon Lightfoot most of the time, and he hasn't heard Dream Theater in months at least! What a guy!! :) Wacky out /* * User: Brian Wherry, email_address_removed, email_address_removed * School: Boston University College of Engineering * Web: http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/ * Quote: "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." */ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 14:11:57 EST From: email_address_removed (Scott R Luttringer) To: email_address_removed Subject: LTL lyrics Message-ID: >Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 23:20:36 -0500 >From: Pat Sullivan >To: email_address_removed >Subject: Old songs, new songs, cover songs.... >Message-ID: > >re: "The 90's bring new questions..." > >I'm one of the people in the camp that thinks this line is a little >out of >place. I think it does tend to make the song a little "periodic". > >I don't think that's a problem though, after seeing the Fix for '96 >shows. >The way the band changed arrangements, added bits, moved things around >and >such, showed that they are not afraid to do what's needed to keep the >older >material from stagnating. I believe that if they're still touring when >2000 >rolls around (of course they will, I know, I know... :)), they'll do >what >they think best fits. Personally, I'd change the line, but then, I >didn't >write it, so there's no emotional involvement. > HI there, I just wanted to add my two cents to this discussion.... Personally I think that the line should stay the same, because regardless of which year the song is being PERFORMED in, the lyrics were written mentioning a specific time period for a reason. I really doubt that they would change the words, because if they did, they would change the context of the song. For example: "the year 2000 brings new questions..." This may be true, but they are different then the ones of the nineties. Anyway, everyone should just enjoy the songs for what they are...awesome! :) Take it easy everyone. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:24:55 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'The Ytsejam'" Subject: Marillion *does* "rule" Message-ID: Taco Belhai said about my favourite Marillion-basher : > This guy had every right to say that something (in this case > Marillion) sucked. But what's the point ? He had *no* opinion, eventhough he *thought* he did. An opinion is based on knowledge, and he didn't have that, where Marillion was concerned. You can't listen to a *few* songs *once*, and decide that they "suck". Let me know if I'm wrong, 'cause in that case I'm on the wrong list. I still thought you had to give music a chance before you call it crap. *I* sure wasn't an instant Marillion-fan. > I don't think we have ytsejam police yet stating that we can't say > anything "sucks." I hope we never do. How about "think before you post" ? That's what *I* do. (and then I post it *anyway*... Doh!) > He wasn't trying to offend anybody. He didn't even have to *try*. When you say a band "sucks", *knowing* they've got a lot of fans on the list, you *are* trying to offend people. He phuqing offended *me*, and I'm sure I'm not the *only* one. > And so what if you got offended. Deal with it. I did... publically. When someone bashes my favourite band for no good reason, I'm there to stick up for them. I'd do that for *Dream Theater* on the Marillion list too, but I don't have to... They're not shallow enough to make "this sucks" or "this rules" comments (no offense). > People start ripping apart anyone that slags on their favorite bands. > Why must we do this? Are you afraid that their opinion actually has > value? Just ignore them. Here's how *I* see it... I put in a *lot* of effort to inform people about music they've never heard (not just Marillion). You wouldn't believe how many e-mails I've written, to describe Marillion's music, so people know what they're about... That way they know what to expect, or better yet, what *not* to expect (they're NOT a phuqin' metal band). Some bands need their fans to promote them, and Marillion is such a band (so is Dream Theater). Then along comes this idiot that simply says "they suck", and shit like that. Because of one stupid post like that, people could decide *not* to check out Marillion. And that would *truly* "suck". >> This is not really a flame... Just an honest opinion... ;-> > > This statement brings up another question: howcome after flaming > someone does the poster say "this is not really a flame?" I took this > post to be a flame. Pay attention, will you ? The point that I wanted to get across was, that if *his* Marillion-bashing post was "an honest opinion" then my flame was one too. If I confused anyone... my post *was* a flame ! > Would you have flamed this guy if he had said "IMO, Marillion SUCKS?" > Hmmm... IMO, I would have. Mark email_address_removed All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars |`||_```_|/``_]|`]_[`|\`\_/`/ All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | | | ( (_ | ___ | \_ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/itchy - http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2162 **************************