YTSEJAM Digest 2157 Today's Topics: 1) rush and dt schtuff by email_address_removed (acook) 2) Streets, Rush, Yes, DT, Rush again... by email_address_removed.au (Nigel Bridgeman) 3) Re: question..... by Andrew Keegan 4) prog bands with female vocalists by "Dale R. Newberry" 5) Re: Rush tribute by "KorgX3" 6) Re: Rules/Sucks by "KorgX3" 7) where to buy LV by Fernando Ma 8) Re: YThreshold, Angra, Marillion (NDTC) by Mark Smeets 9) Tshirt update... by Pat Griffin 10) Re: Reviews requested - Threshold/ Atomic Opera / Enchant by email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) 11) Re: Threshold, Angra, Marillion (NDTC) by email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) 12) new LV? by "SchuBert" 13) Re: Rush tribute by Carlos Alfaro 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2156 by Matthew P Robbins 15) Derek Sherinian by email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) 16) New Year's DT Question... by "Robert Quezada" 17) Re: Derek Sherinian by Wayne and/or Carole Chesser 18) non DT plea by Seth Casale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:41:49 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (acook) To: email_address_removed Subject: rush and dt schtuff Message-ID: Hey all, > JP is so far beyond Lifeson in all areas... >somehow I have to doubt he does anything to be "Like Lifeson". > Woh there, slow down a bit. May I remind you that Lifeson was the master of all things prog before JP had pubes and probably before he even picked up a guitar. Judging by your attitude you don't sound like a Rush fan, so let me fill you in. Alex is an incredible musician in all respects and I admire him even moreso than most guitarists because it takes considerably more talent to play in a trio format, especially when playing such dense tunes. Appregios, extended chord voicings, odd time rhythms, long solos, all of these things Lifeson does (I'm not saying he originated them, I don't want to argue about that) and JP has been quoted countless times as being heavily influenced by Rush and Lifeson. >> 4. There tends to be a large synth/sequenced presence at the head of tunes >> ("Learning To Live"), which is something that Rush has been doing for a >> while ("Big Money," "New World Man," "Force Ten"). > >I suppose Emerson Lake and Palmer are copying Rush for using synths to >start songs too? That's like saying "You started that song with an A7 >chord on your guitar! Thief!" Actually ELP came out long before Rush, but that's another story. I don't particularly think that DT does synth intros to be like Rush, but moreso because it often sounds cool, which is probably why Rush did it. >> 5. Instrumental as solo piece -- "Ytse Jam" vs. "YYZ" > >So they did an instrumental? What's the point? Rush didn't invent the >instrumental. That's more of a coincedental similarity if you ask me(and >by posting publicly, you are asking me. :)) No, but these two songs are very similar in structure. Both are instrumentals with strong influence on the rhythm of the piece as well as the melodic content, both have solos and fills by each member mixed with lots of odd time sig drumming, both have middle eastern type melodic ideas, I could go on and on. > >This is not a flame... I just don't know how much of the similarity >between Rush and DT is purposefully done. I love bothe bands, by the >way... I just vastly prefer Dream Theater. Think about it this way...I don't know if you're a musician, but if you're writing a tune you want it to sound good. In your mind DT's style is somehting that sounds good and you're aiming for something in that veign. I think writers do this naturally and a lot of times what I hear from DT's music makes me think of Rush. Obviously there are no direct parts that sound exactly the same, except for maybe the verse riffs to Natural Science and 6:00. :) adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 04:55:34 GMT From: email_address_removed.au (Nigel Bridgeman) To: email_address_removed Subject: Streets, Rush, Yes, DT, Rush again... Message-ID: Hiyis >Does anyone who owns Streets by 'Tage tell me where you bought it because >I've been looking for it for a couple weeks now and I'm really getting >frustrated. I got mine in Australia, if that helps at all. Didn't think it would... It's the greatest album of all time, btw. Jon Oliva is a legend! I think I've mentioned that before... Onto other things: Did I mention that I got my first Rush video on Thursday? "A Show of Hands"... as you all would know, it's brilliant! The last half hour is probably the best half hour of music in the history of music videos! Can anyone tell me what the "Exit... Stage Left" and "Chronicles" videos are like? Are they worth buying? Any replies along the lines of, "Dude, *anything* by Rush is worth buying!" will be met with a stern frown. I *know* that, but I'd like to know what's on them, if it's entertaining, etc. And if the videos are of good quality as well. I'm ordering them from the UK (because they use Real-Person format - PAL - unlike you American types) and I'll be slightly miffed if I get them and no one told me that the sound quality is not entirely great, so to speak... As mentioned the other day, my Yes collection is now up to 6 cds. Pretty good, as those of you (if any) who have been following this saga would know... pretty dumb as well, probably... Well, that'll be all. My email addy has changed to email_address_removed.au, if anyone is interested. Not that anyone writes to me anyway *sniff*. I guess I'm just craving attention... Woops! DT content, almost forgot... Someone mentioned that "Bombay Vindaloo" was similar to "Xanadu". Well, I always thought that JP's guitar bit near the end of "Learning to Live" was like Alex's guitar bit near the end of "Xanadu". I love both songs because of these parts. And after watching "A Show of Hands" Neil Peart is now the best drummer in the world. I'd never thought he was that brilliant a drummer until I saw him play. Wow... See yis!! Spiff Now playing: "Pulse" - Pink Floyd ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:05:59 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: question..... Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Albert Balkiewicz wrote: > Anyone know where I get get a copy of an album by the opening act > for DT on the "Fix" tour......Einstein......please E-mail me and > let me know..... The Einstein CD is on Whirled Records and distributed by Touchwood Distribution (212) 977-7800 I was disappointed with the CD and thought they were much better live. The keyboards are kinda buried and when they do stand out, they don't have a live feel. They sound too sequenced. I wonder if they suck as bad as that Marillion band :) Anyway- it's still a good album, but they do it much better live. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:37:06 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: prog bands with female vocalists Message-ID: try Martha's Wake, maybe. I say maybe because I've never actually heard them, but I know they have a female vocalist, and they have been mentioned as being prog rock/metal with influences form DT. Anyone else know more about them? Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:51:38 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Rush tribute Message-ID: > > > Something that really pisses me off is when people say a tribute album > sucks since it sounds nothing like the original material. Dont you > Sorry, Pat, but I thought it sucked, too. I really like Rush, and I know the guys put their hearts into the tribute, but I'm a production sound freak. The album lacked horribly IMO in production quality. I know these guys were doing it with their spare change most likely, but still, I get better sound farting in the toilet. It's been in my CD junk drawer since the first timer I heard it, and I listened to it twice fully. Sorry, not for me... :P KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:51:38 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Rules/Sucks Message-ID: > My point was that if he really wanted to actually prevent people from > buying the album, he should have said what album it was and commented more > on it. I don't care if someone walks in my room and listens to my 400 some > CDs and he/she finds that they don't like any of them. That is their > choice and their preference. I encourage people to slag bands if they feel > that people shouldn't spend their money on their albums. My point was that > I'm not going to stop buying an album by a band that had gotten several > good reviews because a few people said simply "they suck". Tell me why > they suck, then I'll consider it. I agree that difference of opinion makes > the jam a more interesting place. I enjoy the fact that we have people who > are into varying musical styles. Hrm. I either misread his original post or didn't read yours right, I guess. I don't remember if he was intending to tell people not to listen to Marillion, cuz that's just plain stupid. It's OK to say it sucks out of personal discouragement over a band (which I have done many a time), but don't tell people not to buy the album if you don't like it. There's alot of stuff on the jam I've gone out and bought and wasn't too thrilled about but alot of others really like. If anyone's having troupble finding these I'll sell em to you. Discounted even. :) Magellan: Impending Ascension Ozric Tentacles: Arborescence Ivanhoe: Symbols of Time (The singer wasn't for me, the rest was OK) Echolyn: As the World Marillion: Fugazi (too wierd for me, Brave rocks though) I tried with all of these. I'm trying Echolyn again, but not all prog is for everyone, as we all know. (Don't we?) KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:07:19 -0700 (MST) From: Fernando Ma To: ytsejam list Subject: where to buy LV Message-ID: Where can I find Lemur Voice? And which catagory of music (International or Rock?) I've been looking for it ever since it was mentioned here months ago. Fernando Ma Materials science & engineering University of Arizona http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma "I would like for this record to come out...and a blonde" - Derek Sherinian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:05:22 PST From: Mark Smeets To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YThreshold, Angra, Marillion (NDTC) Message-ID: ** Reply to note from email_address_removed 01/03/97 12:54pm -0800 Angra has 1 more release, which is Holy Land. Thats the cd I won't shut up about, ask everyone on irc :) I won't be shutting up anytime soon either. They also released an EP called Freedom Call. I posted alot of this info a few jams back, so, maybe check out what ones, I think it was 2150 or so. I haven't had the chance to check out their first album yet but I heard a clip of it, which is what made me buy Holy Land, nothing like that clip but it kicks ass none the less. Mark my smartt.com account is now useless. Please email at either email_address_removed or email_address_removed -- -Check out the new Serenity's End Chat room zeek.murlin.com port 8888 -Check out my web site http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM @------>--->--- Some people lose their faith because Heaven shows them to little. Others lose their faith because Heaven shows them too much. - The Prophecy -- I don't believe in coincidence @------>--->--- I guide you through the sea of nightmares called existance and lead you to the sanctuary where a haven exists only to those who have lost hope and this is called earth but to those who have hope, stand alone outside this haven guarding it alone. -M.S. @------>--->--- I stand at the promised land with Fire In my Eyes! W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:17:51 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin To: email_address_removed Subject: Tshirt update... Message-ID: "Jonathan Dery" wrote: >Btw- Does any know when a new batch of Ytsejam shirts will be on sale >(or if there are any on sale now)? I've never had one and I've never >felt like a true Jammer because of it. (Plus it sucks not to be spotted >at shows.) I'm currently about 50 or so 'jams behind (went on vacation for a week, and never had the patience to read the 30 jams I got :) but this post was brought to my attention. For anyone asking or curious, I do still have the new Ytsejam shirts, and they are still being sold. New orders will not ship out until later this month (when I'm back to school, and the rest of the shirts). If you've sent an order in the last month, it's probably waiting for me, and I'll get it on the next shipment. I'm going to revise the updates a bit, try to get the numbers more accurate, change the address (got a single!), etc... I'll try to send a new one out sometime early next week. Happy New Year everyone, and a special note to all those that got to see the shows last month: *@*&!^# @^& :) h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 07:08:14 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Reviews requested - Threshold/ Atomic Opera / Enchant Message-ID: Matthew P Robbins wrote in Y'Jam #2155: > I'd like to here some HONEST opinions and reviews on the > following bands before I make any purchases. > ~Enchant They've got one that I know of on Magna Carta called "A Blueprint of the World." I don't care too much for the singer. He's good, but almost too high for me. The keyboards and guitar textures are great. I like the song "Oasis" a lot... > ~Threshold Awesome group from the UK. They've got two out plus a live EP. The two I have are "Wounded Land" and "Psychedelicatessen." "Psyche" is a great album. I haven't really gotten into WL, yet, but it's got some great stuff. I think the main theme of that one is quite environmental- the wounding of the land, as it were. They've also got a great vocalist on both albums. I can definitely recommend these guys!!! And they're release another album "Extinct Instinct" in February. > ~Atomic Opera Another great band. They're from Texas and their first/only album (For Madmen Only) was produced by Sam Taylor (of King's X and Galactic Cowboys fame). They're heavy and melodic, much like both KX and GC. Great vocals, and great lyrics. Frank Hart (the main man behind AO) is currently demoing songs with new band members (and artrocker Kemper Crabb) for hopefully a second album soon. BTW, their album is O/P, and very hard to find (at least for me). If you see it, snag it. If you end up not liking it, let me know and I'll buy it from you. I've got people lined up who want it, after they heard my copy of it, they were hooked. :) Hope that helped, Dan ---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - email_address_removed / email_address_removed "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 07:08:20 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Threshold, Angra, Marillion (NDTC) Message-ID: Threshold's 3rd LP is due out in Europe in February, probably on Giant English Pea. It's gonna be called "Extinct Instinct," or that's the last I heard. Dan ---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - email_address_removed / email_address_removed "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:27:34 +0100 (MET) From: "SchuBert" To: email_address_removed Subject: new LV? Message-ID: High. I was just thinking about what a great year this'll be: new DT album, new QR, new FW. Then a question popped up. I heard Lemur Voice has been playing a couple of new songs on their gigs, so is their any chance they're gonna bring out a new album soon? WW /__\ Groeten! | oo | (|_()_|) +-------------------------+ \__/ | email_address_removed.nl | /|\/|\ +-------------------------+ |||||||| Bert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 09:53:58 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Rush tribute Message-ID: KorgX3 wrote: > > Sorry, Pat, but I thought it sucked, too. I really like Rush, and I > know the guys put their hearts into the tribute, but I'm a production > sound freak. The album lacked horribly IMO in production quality. I > know these guys were doing it with their spare change most likely, > but still, I get better sound farting in the toilet. It's been in my > CD junk drawer since the first timer I heard it, and I listened to it > twice fully. Sorry, not for me... I dont know aboyut you but I just figure that they were aiming for the same production RUsh had in the times when the songs were released..to get the 70's/early 80's feel... at least all the instruments sound clear and individual.. Seize the day, I heard him say : "Life will not always be this way, Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... " WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 09:48:37 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew P Robbins To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2156 Message-ID: To the guy asking about'Tage - Streets: A Rock Opera and DT boots. I've seen Streets at Best Buy on a regular basis. I picked up my copy at a used CD chain called Disc-go-round for $6.99. I've seen it in several used CD bins since then. So, give the used places in your area a try. As the a good DT boot, give Mike Bahr's "When Dream and Today Unite" a try - he still has some left. It's pretty good sound quality (with the exception of two tracks which sound pretty hollow). It has all the WDADU songs with James L. on vocals. Good luck. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 12:18:14 EST From: email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) To: email_address_removed Subject: Derek Sherinian Message-ID: Hey all, For all of you who have Shadow Gallery's 'Carved in Stone', have you checked out the Special Thanks To section? I always love to do that when I get a new album. Anyhow, in it, they thank a guy named.. Derek Sherimean. Hmm.. I was thinking. Is this our pal Derek under pseudonym, or did they spell his name wrong? Or is it someone else altogether? I found that kinda interesting, and would like to hear from someone who knows... Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 12:50:33 -0500 From: "Robert Quezada" To: Subject: New Year's DT Question... Message-ID: It's a brand new year and something came to mind while listening to Learning to Live. The two times that I saw Dream Theater at Birch Hill, they always ended the show with Learning to Live. When we enter the year 2000, are DT going to change the lyrics in the part when James sings "the 90's bring new questions" when its played live? How's it going to sound? "the turn of the century brings new questions...."? Just curious... :) ********************************************* http://www.monmouth.com/~rquezada/home.html RQ's CD Player (for NT/Win95) *View lyrics as they're sung. *Divide songs into indices *Examples & instructions to make lyric files ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 12:24:14 -0600 From: Wayne and/or Carole Chesser To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Derek Sherinian Message-ID: At 09:29 AM 1/4/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hey all, > > For all of you who have Shadow Gallery's 'Carved in Stone', have >you checked out the Special Thanks To section? I always love to do that >when I get a new album. Anyhow, in it, they thank a guy named.. Derek >Sherimean. Hmm.. I was thinking. Is this our pal Derek under pseudonym, >or did they spell his name wrong? Or is it someone else altogether? I >found that kinda interesting, and would like to hear from someone who >knows... > > Ed Maybe I have a different printing or something, but I can't find Derek's name in the Thanks section anywhere. I did find Kenny Rogers (the Kenny Rogers? Anyone know?) Where is Derek supposed to be? Maybe I'm just blind. -- Wayne "A different opinion is just another point of view" - Fates Warning ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:23:46 -0500 (EST) From: Seth Casale To: email_address_removed Subject: non DT plea Message-ID: Hello jammers, this is my first post ever, and i would really like to know if anyone has ever heard of a band called clockhammer. they are my favorite band, but i have been unable to locate other fans or any information regarding them. if anyone has any information about this band, please mail me privately at email_address_removed. i apologise for this message not having DT content. also if you have not heard of them, i will be more than happy to make you dubs of any of their three albums i have, just a blank tape and sase please. seth ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2157 **************************