YTSEJAM Digest 2149 Today's Topics: 1) Re: oh yeah.. about that cow hating thing... and re: i'm sorry by Carlos Alfaro 2) Suicide is not the Solution by email_address_removed (Patrick Taylor) 3) re: im sorry by email_address_removed (J. E. James) 4) Happy New Homepage ! by Mark Bredius 5) RE: Dream Theater New Song by email_address_removed 6) Response to a suicide note. by email_address_removed 7) JM 1st bass... by John McCabe 8) ignorance surrounding me... by "Andrew Miller" 9) ...and this is what all have waited for... by Syrinx 10) DTC? Hehehe by email_address_removed 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2145 by email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) 12) Re: Response to a suicide note. by email_address_removed 13) Eve & To Live Forever by email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) 14) 'Tage by email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) 15) Re: Response to a suicide note. and someones cold heart by email_address_removed 16) Re: Eve & To Live Forever by email_address_removed 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2148 by email_address_removed (Richard D. Slaughter) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 10:03:53 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: oh yeah.. about that cow hating thing... and re: i'm sorry Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > i along with rip have emailed mr stearns and hop i wasnt too late, man i was > in this boat B4 and got out, thank good i did, couse i wouldnt have seen my > neice born or be her godfather, erik if your readin this take it from someone > whose been down that road and taken a u-turn, please DON'T DO IT, get some > help, i am willing to bet that anyone on this mailing list would be more than > willing to point you in the direction of someone who can help you. > > please respond > stan I also emailed him ( i hope this is a sick joke) ..and told him the same thing.. he should give a listen to Images and Words again (NOT PULL ME UNDER) .. i wrote him a few quotes like "Find all you need in your mind..if you take the time" and most importatly "LIVE ANOTHER DAY,CLIMB A LITTLE HIGHER, FIND ANOTHER REASON TO STAY" ... i hope he gets help Seize the day, I heard him say : "Life will not always be this way, Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... " WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:28:16 -0500 (GMT-0500) From: email_address_removed (Patrick Taylor) To: email_address_removed Subject: Suicide is not the Solution Message-ID: Hello Everybody, I just spoke with the Austin, TX Police Department. It seem that Mr. Stearns is OK and is not suicidal (now?). In addition to me calling from Indiana, they have received calls from Seattle and a couple other locations across the country. Good Job Jammers! I briefly explained to the supervisor how an internet digest works, and that they would probably be hearing from other concerned folks in the next few days. As far as Mr. Stearns goes, I am glad he is OK. PLEASE, don't judge him or what he did/attempted/thought about doing. He should be congratulated for having the guts to "keep on keeping on." Erik, if you're reading this, thanks for realizing life is worth living! I'm going to log off now and try to call you... Sincerely, Patrick Taylor email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 09:36:02 -0800 From: email_address_removed (J. E. James) To: email_address_removed Subject: re: im sorry Message-ID: Dude, I hope you read this. I don't know if you are joking or not, but if you are not, FUCKING RECONSIDER MAN! Killing yourself is a coward's way out, everybody still has a chance to turn their life around no matter how screwed up it may be at the moment. You mentioned your family, so that's something to live for right there. Talk to them, try to get help, do fucking something, but don't kill yourself. You will be missing out on any great things in life you have coming your way (and we all have great things coming our way sometime or another, no matter how bleak our lives may be). Just don't do it man, Justin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:49:30 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'The Ytsejam'" Subject: Happy New Homepage ! Message-ID: Hi there :-) First of all, a Happy New Year to everyone on this list ! I just finished a new (and hopefully improved) version of my homepage. It has a new look, a new cartoon, new pages, some pictures... I even cleared my guestbook and reset my counter :-) (the old guestbook can still be viewed, though). Took me about a month, but I'm happy with it. There are a few things I wanna mention : I added a page with information on how to get on and *off* the Freaks- list, the Ytsejam, Voices, Notes From The Edge (Yes) and five Tori Amos mailinglists (I'm on all of those lists myself). If you ever want to get off this list, don't post about it here, but check my page. There's also a page about "Theater Of Dreams", the Dutch Dream Theater fanclub. Last issue they were talking about "special CD's"... I think this is an excellent time to join "ToD" if you're Dutch, love Dream Theater and don't wanna miss out on anything cool. Also, I'd still like to receive birthdays from Freaks and/or Ytsejam subscribers for my birthday calendars. You don't even have to include your age, if you don't want to. Just enter your birthday in the little form on the bottom of the calendar. Or just mail the info to my at bredius@globalxs.nl (name/nick, birthday, email and homepage URL). Also, if you're interested in chatting with fellow Ytsejammers on IRC, check out my "IRC-The YtseNet"-page on how to get there. We really need some *nice* people there, right now. I also added a nice touch to my "Most Frequent Poster Lists"... From now on it'll also have the total amount of lines everyone contributed, along with a percentage of how much space they took up ! Right now the amount of lines are only available on the MFP-lists for the Marillion mailinglist (still testing and checking stuff). Don't forget to check out the instructions if you want your *homepage* to be linked to the MFP-lists. By the time you're reading this, there will be new MFP-lists available. Btw, you can still download my 256-color Marillion, Tori Amos and Dream Theater icons. They're still there. Maybe I'll make some new ones, soon. If you have any problems signing the guestbook, just drop everything in an email and send it over :-> Just go to either one of the following URLs : URL: http://www.prognosis.com/itchy http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/ If you check out my page, thanks ! I hope you like :-> NAME: Mark "Itchy" Bredius email_address_removed All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars |`||_```_|/``_]|`]_[`|\`\_/`/ All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | | | ( (_ | ___ | \_ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/itchy - http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 13:43:16 PST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: Dream Theater New Song Message-ID: About two months ago, a friend of mine went to a press conference in NYC where DT was anouncing that they will be releasing a new album SOON. DT said that they wrote and recorded (probably on demo tapes) over 100 minutes of music. The record company, however, denied DT the opportunity to release a double album. So, that new DT song you heard on the radio was probably off of the demo tapes. Also, at this press conference, they played recorded versions of ALL their new material. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 14:30:32 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Response to a suicide note. Message-ID: Erik doesn't want to kill himself. He wants someone to tell him not to. Why the hell else would he post a suicide note to the YtseJam of a thousand people (give or take a couple hundred depending on the season) instead of to a few friends if all he wanted was to make sure "his side of hell didn't go untold"? This may sound cruel, but after a friend of mine shot himself three years ago and another friend of mine tried to kill herself right before Thanksgiving, I have absolutely no sympathy for people who commit suicide. Don't get me wrong; I'm completely sympathetic to the situations that *produce* suicidal feelings, but as far as I'm concerned, it's a cop-out and a burden on everyone you leave behind: family, friends, etc. Do you know what it's like to sit at a wake of a 16-yr old friend who shot himself in the head and watch the hundreds of people mill about, asking each other, "WHY?" Or to pace around in a dorm hall while you wait for news that another friend is alive or dead after an OD on pills? I do. Believe me, I do. I've been in some pretty low times before, as I'm sure we all have, but I have *never* so much as entertained the *thought* of killing myself. My reasoning is this: when you hit bottom, the only way to go is up. You might fall back in periodically, but you can always climb back out again. A bad situation is temporary. Death is PERMANENT. Life can be pretty miserable, but it's the only one I've got, so I think I'll stick with it for as long as possible. Erik is not a failure to himself for having been abandoned by his wife and left with no money/job/food/etc. Shit happens, and I highly doubt anyone (besides his wife) would think the less of him for that. I know I wouldn't. Shit happens, and we muddle through as best we can. He *will* be a failure if he kills himself, because it means he didn't have the balls to TRY to get back on his feet again, and I *will* think the less of him for that. Jaime the Dragon "Christ what have you done?!" Rush - "The Pass" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 14:33:18 -0500 (EST) From: John McCabe To: email_address_removed Subject: JM 1st bass... Message-ID: Does anyone know what kind of bass JM used on WDADU? The tone doesn't sound like his Tung but it could just be the recording is horrible. Any info is.. hm.. helpful.. :) John McCabe email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 14:29:42 +0000 From: "Andrew Miller" To: email_address_removed Subject: ignorance surrounding me... Message-ID: > He *will* be a failure if he kills himself, because it means he didn't have > the balls to TRY to get back on his feet again, and I *will* think the less > of him for that. wow. so have you considered mental illness? do you feel that someone with mental illness has "no balls"? someone with a diagnosed mental illness is weak? your ignorance disgusts me. you've absolutely no idea what you are saying. there are people that exist that are stricken with illnesses that sometimes get the better of them and may cause them to think something they may not normally think and take actions that they may not normally take. they're sick. they need help. they don't need your attitude. i find this relevant because i'd go so far as to say that, imo, anyone that attempts or seriously considers killing themselves is mentally ill. that's just imo, of course, so i'll speak from fact; there are people, including myself, that are stricken with mental illness. it ranges in form and severity. i myself have manic depression. i'm still alive and have managed to avoid death by my own hands, though i have attempted suicide in the past more times than i can count on both hands. i sure as hell wasn't thinking clearly at the time. i was finally diagnosed with the disease and given medication and therapy, which i believe have saved my life. i could very easily be dead right now. the point i'm trying to make is that there are things that go on in people's heads that you may not be aware of. this does not make them weak nor does it make them less of a person than you. you think you've hit low times? i've known people that hit depressions so severe that they didn't eat or move out of bed for days, often times soiling themselves in their own shit and piss. it's not a pretty sight, and one which you should make yourself aware of before passing judgement. i agree that suicide is wrong and its not a good thing. but thoughts of suicide need to be taken both seriously, and with compassion. those people need help, not your holier than thou judgement. -Andrew p.s.- i know this subject was covered a few months back and i was part of it at that time. i wanted to share this with the jam with the hopes of possibly enlightening a few people who may not have taken another point of view into consideration. Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage http://www.avalon.net/~subtlerage - email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 15:37:34 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx To: Yitz-say-jam Subject: ...and this is what all have waited for... Message-ID: ..the results of the 1996 ytsepoll. for lack of space, i'll just do the artist name. if you want titles of albums, let me know. 1st = How many times artist was placed 1st. Vts = How many times the artist was voted on. Pts = Total # of points given to artist. 1st place vote = 5pts. 2nd place vote = 4pts, etc, etc. ARTIST 1st Vts Pts ----------------------------------------------------------- Rush 9 34 113 Steve Vai 7 23 82 Lemur Voice 3 18 60 Various - Working Man Tribute 4 19 53 Tool 3 16 51 Eric Johnson 2 13 45 Metallica 1 13 41 Yes 3 10 34 King's X 3 12 34 Type O Negative 2 10 33 Angra 4 8 33 Pantera 4 7 27 Tori Amos 3 7 27 Journey 3 8 23 Galactic Cowboys 2 8 20 Marillion 7 19 Trans-Siberian Orchestra 6 18 I Mother Earth 1 5 17 Dave Matthews Band 1 5 16 Amorphis 2 3 13 ..and that's the top 20. if anyone wants to have the full results of this on their websight, i have in a ms-dos editor file. let me know, and i'll send it to you. i got close to 70 responces, and that's pretty damn cool. let's make it even better for the 1997 poll! (c) 1996 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 1997 16:24:36 CDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DTC? Hehehe Message-ID: YT>From: email_address_removed (Brett Lefebvre) YT>Subject: A toast YT>I just got on this list...and I must say it is awesome! I am shocked at how YT>much you guys know on DT. Just by reading a few digests I think I doubled my YT>DT knowledge. And to think that the 'jam is supposedly 80-90% garbage! I'll drink to that! Happy new year, everyone:) Mark Peters email_address_removed ____ _______ ___ | | ___| |___ _/ \_ _/ [] \_ ___| |#| |___ _/ [+] \_ _____+_____ / [] \ | |#| |#| | / \ / .<_O_>. \ I==========I O=o=o=o=O=O=o=o=o=O I=I=I=I=I=I=I=I ============= | [] [] [] | |#|#|#|[] []|#|#|#| |+|+|+| |+|+|+| |++| | | |++| | [] [] [] | | | | |[] []| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | [] __ [] | |#|#|#|[]_[]|#|#|#| |+|+|+| |+|+|+| |++| | | |++| | / \ | |#|#|#|_|_|_|#|#|#| |+|+|+|_|+|+|+| |++|_|_|_|++| |___|__|___| |_____/I_I_I\_____| |_____/I\_____| |__/H_H_H\__| ============================================================== Brewton, Alabama - The stupid little town where I live.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 16:31:14 EST From: email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2145 Message-ID: >Can anyone recommend any other bands that are comparable to DT? I really like DT, but I need some new music with their style. I've heard that Fates Warning is good, but how about other ones? Thanks, Adam Hey there Adam. I just picked up Shadow Gallery's CD (the one they released in the U.S., at least) about a week ago, and that blew me away. They are very progressive. They are a large band, about 6 guys, I think (the drummer left after this CD), and they have great vocals. They are a little.. "Softer" than DT in terms of solos, but there are still some great guitar parts. The CD is titled 'Carved in Stone'. If you can find it, definitely pick it up. Then there's Savatage. They are also somewhat like DT, but heavier. I love them. Again, I just picked up Handful of Rain about a month ago, and wasn't too impressed the first listen or two (except for the song Chance, which instantly became one of my top 5 songs of all time), but now I can't stop listening! I love their vocalist, Zachary Stevens. They are just awesome. And I also bought Dead Winter Dead, their newest one, about a week ago. It's AWESOME. It's a rock opera, and I can't put this one down either. So those are three CDs you'll definitely want to get if you like DT. Good luck! Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:55:21 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Response to a suicide note. Message-ID: In a message dated 1/1/97 7:32:32 PM, you wrote: <> yes, i had a friend slam his car into a tree at 55 mph, left a suicide note on the fridge at home, yes, i had a cousin(close to jim at that) try to OD on alot of pillstrust me i know the feelin, ive also been there myself you also said: Don't get me wrong; I'm completely sympathetic to the situations that *produce* suicidal feelings, but as far as I'm concerned, it's a cop-out and a burden on everyone you leave behind: family, friends, etc. have you ever been down that road of wanting the end? And: Death is PERMANENT. Life can be pretty miserable, but it's the only one I've got, so I think I'll stick with it for as long as possible. yes and to some people that permanant feeling of death is better than that temporary hell that they cant see an end to. and theres more: He *will* be a failure if he kills himself, because it means he didn't have the balls to TRY to get back on his feet again, and I *will* think the less of him for that. who the hell made you the judge of wether or not someon is or isnt a failure in life??? HUH? and finally: "Christ what have you done?!" Rush - "The Pass" "Christ why did you write this?!" Drummnstan laterz people, stan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 16:55:17 EST From: email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) To: email_address_removed Subject: Eve & To Live Forever Message-ID: Hey, I know this isn't on the FAQ, so I'm gonna ask . :) On what CDs are Eve and To Live Forever on? I have TLF on the LiT video, but I only have a small clip (.WAV) of Eve (which is my Windows startup. Hehe.), and it sounds like a GREAT song. I would love to have both of these without having to fastforward for 10 minutes or replay 30 seconds of Eve in Windows 300 times. Thanks in advance... Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 16:55:17 EST From: email_address_removed (Edward J Wilk) To: email_address_removed Subject: 'Tage Message-ID: >Got Dead Winter Dead by Savatage. I must say that is one of the best CD's I've gotten in a long time...and I buy CD's ALL the time. I also have Hall of the Mountain King and TSO's Christmas Eve and Other Stories. Looks like I need to buy more Savatage albums...DWD is great! It really is an awesome album. I bought it the other day. I listened to it the first time, and was like, "Blah..". I'm listening to it now. I can't stop listening to it. Someone, help me! :) Seriously, though, I've become a big 'Tage fan. I just bought Handful of Rain about a month ago, and that is also an AWSOME album. Where did you get TSO? I can't find it anywhere. Obviously no one in the mall has it, and Newbury Comics doesn't. :P Later, Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:08:33 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Response to a suicide note. and someones cold heart Message-ID: In a message dated 1/1/97 9:58:32 PM, you wrote: <> and OHHH yeah, ive been bed side of someone on suicide watch before they were mentally ill or maybe somone of such a lofty stature as yours puts the blinders on when it comes to that subject, IT DOES EXIST, and its due to people like you that drive some mentally ill people toward the end, believe me i have first hand experiance of what ignorance does to the mentally ill, disturbed , and disabled. maybe next time you should think a little bit more about the real life situations of others. and to the rest of the jam that has shown support for this gentleman you are caring people. so as not to ramble on, ill stop now hey RIPzero, at least he didn't go thru with it. laterz, stan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:12:50 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Eve & To Live Forever Message-ID: In a message dated 1/1/97 10:08:59 PM, you wrote: <> the singles you are looking for is LIE for To Live Forever(Which by the way we finally concluded that to intro to TLF is not Another Hand/The Killing Hand HAHAHAHAHAHAHA) and The Silent Man for Eve.. i hope this helps you out , these songs are also available on bootlegs, (Email me privatly to set up a trade) Good luck finding the singles laterz, stan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 17:04:22 From: email_address_removed (Richard D. Slaughter) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2148 Message-ID: > Most importantly, Jesus loves you man!! He wouldn't want to see > you >go out like this. He still has plans for you and you need to know that > what Be careful with that. PLEASE, don't take offense at this reply, but I myself have been in Mr. Stearns' position. At this time, I will not question the right or wrong of God, but at that time, I did. I believed that God, if he existed, had forsaken me. This does NOT reflect my opinion now, don't try to talk me into believing. But someone made the mistake of trying to convince me to go on with talk of Jesus' pure love, and God's plans for my future... It almost pushed me over the edge I was standing too close to. Please believe me when I say that (maybe not in this case, but definitely in mine) for some, "The blood of Christ can't heal my wounds..." At least not the immediate wounds. In other words, believing in God won't save them from their tormnet. They have to believe in themselves. Once they are alive, I have no problems with the spreading of any religion... I just don't feel that when a man promises suicide, talk of God's love will help. In any case, This is all IMO, and if you have a problem with it, I do sincerely apologize. Thank you... And Mr. Stearns, I feel that whatever disagreements, arguments, etc. the Ytsejam faces, we are still somewhat of a family (of diverse backgrounds, of course...) and I doubt there are any true jammers that wouldn't be willing to help you... I know I would. Ask... "I have given everything I could And I don't think it really even matters Maybe nothing does. See how it keeps returning to remind me That I want to remain A child with you forever." "If shame on such a scale is "truth," then I will gladly spend my days in the universe of mere fact..." -Hashi Lebwohl But not I... ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2149 **************************