YTSEJAM Digest 2144 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Poor man's Rush (?);producer;assorted crap (well, maybe not, *assorted* as such) by Carlos Alfaro 2) Online Music Stores by email_address_removed.mx (Marcelo Martinelli) 3) DT a poor man's Rush? by William Keyes 4) ripzero's u2 question by email_address_removed 5) JP Guitar Question by Richard Warren 6) Progressive- who really knows? by Scott Daugherty 7) Prog? Isn't prog that country in the czech republic? by Syrinx 8) Re: Progressive- who really knows? by email_address_removed 9) Paul Northfield? by Jeremy Kube 10) Re: JP Guitar Question by Carlos Alfaro 11) Re: DT a poor man's Rush? by email_address_removed.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime) 12) YtseJam Chat on Unix by Dan 13) DT Content by Dan 14) Re: Progressive- who really knows? by Vincent LuPone 15) NDTC--Klank by email_address_removed (grim88) 16) An EOY post. :) by "Paul W. Cashman" 17) Question (DTC!!!) by James LaPortnoy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 08:17:48 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Poor man's Rush (?);producer;assorted crap (well, maybe not, *assorted* as such) Message-ID: Younis Youssef Hilal wrote: like I said, > > way more intense than DT and if you think DT are amazing > > musicians, these guys blow them out of the water. The > > arrangments are amazing as well. Whoa whoa whoa ..hehe be careful..thats a strong comment!! You shouldve put IMO before..those comments are a little harsh ..especially said on a DT list... :) Take care Seize the day, I heard him say : "Life will not always be this way, Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... " WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 10:09:45 -0600 From: email_address_removed.mx (Marcelo Martinelli) To: email_address_removed Subject: Online Music Stores Message-ID: Hey I was just wondering if anybody has ever ordered any CD's from "Tunnel Records". I am thinking of buying some CD's from them but I don't know if they are trustworthy or not. I'm also interested in knowing also about "The CD Cellar" and "That CD Place" , if anybody has dealt with them please let me know. Has anyone heard about a DT boot called "Drifting Away" that was recorded in Milwaukee '93 ? and also another boot called "Stranger than Fiction". Anyways I would appreciate it if anybody can help me out. Marcelo Martinelli Monterrey , Mexico -It dawned on me one day that I should not be making sandwiches for a living- ---John Petrucci--- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 02:30:21 +1000 From: William Keyes To: email_address_removed Subject: DT a poor man's Rush? Message-ID: In reference to Raf's post and Phil's response: >So he's like "Ohhh no NOT Dream Theater. We call them the poor man's Rush..." > I'm like WHAT? WHY? and who's this WE. He goes, "all of us on the Rush >list...""...and, they are trying so hard to be like Rush and are too fancy" DT a "poor man's Rush"?....NO WAY! Let me say that this guy is definitely speaking for himself. I also receive the NMS(Rush)digest and this is not what we/they think of DT. Just like you stated Phil, the Rush fans on this list are openminded and do enjoy alot of different types of music/bands, DT is certainly one of them! I've been a Rush fan since '77 and only discovered DT two years ago. But DT excited me right away...on the merits of their OWN musicality. Fresh and exciting. Maybe there are some similarities in certain aspects of their music but hey, we all get our various influences from somewhere, even a great band like Rush.(Mmmmm, weren't they once considered "a poor man's Led Zeppelin?") BTW, hi fellow jammers, I'm just a lurker comin' in from the cold! This is one fine list full of friendly posters and great info. Will Brisbane, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:09:02 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: ripzero's u2 question Message-ID: for some enlightening u2 music, check out "boy". it's real raw, but it's got a lot of the classics. of course, check "war" as you acknowledged, and "unforgettable fire"- you can see hints of the so-called "commercial" u2- some keys, more polished recording, but it also has some amazing songs, including "bad", which dt themselves covered. hope that helps. ytsegoon **************************************************************** david kobayashi email_address_removed email_address_removed the new york rangers and the new york knicks: both teams contain what we call "goons" or "thugs". both teams are doing VERY WELL right now. is it a MERE COINCIDENCE that i am a diehard fan of both these teams? hmmmmm............... **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:45:45 -0600 From: Richard Warren To: email_address_removed Subject: JP Guitar Question Message-ID: I have a question concerning the green, red, yellow, blue and black guitar that JP uses on the Live in Tokyo video. First some background info. A guy that works in a local music store (Memphis, TN) claims to own this exact guitar. He claims that the guitar was a prize in a magazine (Guitar Player, Guitar World or something) giveaway. The person that won the guitar came into the store and sold it to the guy for $300. He says the guitar is autographed by all of the members in the band. He says it is a prototype USA custom with no serial number. My question is this. Is his story true or even possible? Maybe someone with connections to the band could find out. If it is true I might make him an offer. Thanks, Richard Warren email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 14:01:05 -0500 From: Scott Daugherty To: email_address_removed Subject: Progressive- who really knows? Message-ID: Greetings to all- Okay, I've wanted to bring this up for a while, and since we're kinda slow these days, this looks like the perfect time. Those who've been on this list for a while know that we've had our fair share of "What is the definition of Prog?" discussions, and we've even had "Is _____ Prog?" discussions. So tell me what you think about this: I saw a poster one day at my school advertising a local band which was playing nearby. The sign read as follows: PAGE 13 - Progressive Rock Imagine Lou Reed, John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Andy Partridge, Sting, John Belushi, Elvis Costello, the Cleavis Sisters, and Shecky Greene all rolled into one person. Now imagine that person riding a bicycle. Now my first impression was a profound "huh?" Sure I like some of these artists, but never have I heard them mentioned in the same sentence as Progressive Rock. I'm curious to see what you guys think about this, if anything. Here's to a prosperous New Year, Scott Daugherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 14:28:12 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx To: Yitz-say-jam Subject: Prog? Isn't prog that country in the czech republic? Message-ID: with the discussion on "what is progressive music," i thought this little ditty might do some help. it appeared a year ago on PAPERLATE, the Genesis internet mailing list. (c) 1996 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved. To: email_address_removed.au Subject: Re: Prog??? >How exactly do you define progressive rock? I loved this reply which appeared in the Letters column in the September 1993 issue of Keyboard magazine: To be classified as prog rock, music must adhere to the following criteria: 1. Songs can be no less than seven minutes in length, except in the case of the prog rock/techno crossover, in which case five minutes is acceptable. 2. Anything in 4/4 is immediately disqualified. 3. The composition must contain at least three of the following instruments: Mellotron, Hammond B-3, Moog Modular (Minimoog acceptable) or any synth made before 1984 and weighing more than 100 lbs. Instruments must also go out of tune after every third song. 4. Performers must be able to play in several time signatures at once, with no one part recognizable as a singable melody. 5. A minimum of five key changes is required for each five minutes of music. 7. Try to find a beat. If you can't, it's prog rock. 8. If the composition wanders aimlessly, it's definitely either prog rock or Dave Stewart on painkillers. 9. If anyone under the age of 30 likes it, it is not prog rock. 10. And finally, if you can dance to it, it isn't prog rock. Steven W. Wagenheim Roselle, New Jersey This response is from from the Letters column in the October 1993 issue of Keyboard: If a band meets five or more of the following criteria, they're prog: 1. At least one member uses Greek mythology or Zen koans as lyrics - at any rate, nobody knows what the hell the singer is talking about. 2. A typical song lasts longer than your average shower. 3. On many songs, each musician plays in an entirely different meter and/or key. 5. The keyboardist has more synthesizers than fingers. 6. Bill Bruford was a drummer at some point. 7. Their album covers depict strange animals crawling over weird geological formations into which blue-pigmented children have carved stairways. 8. They can sell out an arena and still have more lights on stage than people in the audience. 9. Rolling Stone and Phil Collins would both rather burn alive than hear this group's latest album. Terrell Miller Norcross, Georgia And I can't forget Keith Emerson's reply: "It is music that does progress. It takes an idea and develops it, rather than just repeat it ... Progressive music takes a riff, turns it inside out, plays it upside down [and] the other way around, and explores its potential." Dave Stewart also wrote a reply to this question, but I haven't been able to unearth it yet. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:25:19 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Progressive- who really knows? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/29/96 2:08:08 PM, you wrote: << Imagine Lou Reed, John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Andy Partridge, Sting, John Belushi, Elvis Costello, the Cleavis Sisters, and Shecky Greene all rolled into one person. Now imagine that person riding a bicycle.>> that would have to be one really funky looking bicycle, thats a really wierd mix of people................ some ive never heard of, but i wouldnt mind hearing a combonation of all of their styles. laterz, stan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 16:55:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: Paul Northfield? Message-ID: I was just curious as to who Paul Northfield is? I have been out of touch for a while and just wondering. Is he the producer they have chosen for the new album? Can somebody tell me more about him? Who else has he produced? Jay. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 18:29:48 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: JP Guitar Question Message-ID: Richard Warren wrote: > > I have a question concerning the green, red, yellow, blue and black guitar > that JP uses on the Live in Tokyo video. First some background info. A guy > that works in a local music store (Memphis, TN) claims to own this exact > guitar. He claims that the guitar was a prize in a magazine (Guitar Player, > Guitar World or something) giveaway. The person that won the guitar came > into the store and sold it to the guy for $300. He says the guitar is > autographed by all of the members in the band. He says it is a prototype > USA custom with no serial number. > > My question is this. Is his story true or even possible? Maybe someone > with connections to the band could find out. If it is true I might make him > an offer. > > Thanks, > > Richard Warren > email_address_removed > I dont know..but it sounds unlikely..come on 300$! SIgned!! the guitar alone is worth more than 1000! ..well maybe the winner was a butthole...the thing that looks doubtful is that "USA custom" .. the guitar is an Ibanez Rg-somethign.. -- Seize the day, I heard him say : "Life will not always be this way, Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... " WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:02:15 -0800 From: email_address_removed.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT a poor man's Rush? Message-ID: At 08:33 AM 12/29/96 -0800, you wrote: >In reference to Raf's post and Phil's response: >>So he's like "Ohhh no NOT Dream Theater. We call them the poor man's Rush..." >> I'm like WHAT? WHY? and who's this WE. He goes, "all of us on the Rush >>list...""...and, they are trying so hard to be like Rush and are too fancy" > >DT a "poor man's Rush"?....NO WAY! Let me say that this guy is definitely >speaking for himself. I also receive the NMS(Rush)digest and this is not what >we/they think of DT. Just like you stated Phil, the Rush fans on this list >are openminded and do enjoy alot of different types of music/bands, DT is >certainly one of them! > >I've been a Rush fan since '77 and only discovered DT two years ago. But DT >excited me right away...on the merits of their OWN musicality. Fresh and >exciting. Maybe there are some similarities in certain aspects of their >music but hey, we all get our various influences from somewhere, even a >great band like Rush.(Mmmmm, weren't they once considered "a poor man's Led >Zeppelin?") > >BTW, hi fellow jammers, I'm just a lurker comin' in from the cold! >This is one fine list full of friendly posters and great info. > >Will >Brisbane, Australia > > > > DREAM THEATER is a great group, but still there are similarities to Yes and to Rush, but who cares??, dont metallica, pantera, megadeth, slayer, anthrax etc... share same riffs?? some of them sound alike...and really, i havent heard a riff on dream theater that sounds very similar to any of rush, i havent heard all the songs from rush, but i know they say they sound the same because of the time signature they each play, but thats because they are playing kinda the same kind of music: progressive rock... Juan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 00:37:16 -0500 (EST) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: YtseJam Chat on Unix Message-ID: this message is probably directed towars Syrinx but how do I access the Dream Theater Chat area from a Unix account??? Thanks Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 00:40:00 -0500 (EST) From: Dan To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Content Message-ID: As far as the slowing down of the jams....it must be because of the Holiday season and all. So it looks like the new DT CD will be out in late spring early summer and the tour will start the summer of 1997. Can't wait. In the mean time I have my Dokken "One Live Night" to keep me company and my new Steve Vai video cassette. See ya all later!!! GO COWBOYS!!!!!! DALLAS 40 MINNESOTA 15 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 23:01:17 -0700 From: Vincent LuPone To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Progressive- who really knows? Message-ID: > Okay, I've wanted to bring this up for a while, and since we're kinda >slow these days, this looks like the perfect time. Those who've been on >this list for a while know that we've had our fair share of "What is the >definition of Prog?" discussions, and we've even had "Is _____ Prog?" >discussions. I dunno about you, but I always considered Progressive rock to be music that is complex, well-thought out, goes through different time signatures and keys, and contains multiple chord PROGressions. Later, Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 02:36:26 -0600 From: email_address_removed (grim88) To: email_address_removed Subject: NDTC--Klank Message-ID: I was wondering if any of you had heard of the Klank, and more importantly, where I could find his CD....his vocals are something special... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 23:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: An EOY post. :) Message-ID: Well gosh, seeing as how I got mentioned in three consecutive posts to the Jam, this must mean a few things: A) It's the Eighth Sign of the Apocalypse, B) I'm Somebody Now, and C) Mark Smeets is Dead Meet. :) Regarding producers... Mike, I don't think it's all that much of a secret; I didn't see James Labrie look nervously over each shoulder before he told Wes/"Beavis" the answer (I think I prompted Wes to ask about producers, which elicited a grin and a "Are you on the Jam?" from James -- yea, it's the kinda question one of us net.geeks would ask. :)) Phil Carter mentioned attitudes on the Rush digest (The National Midnight Star) along with my occasional DT-supportive notes there. Attitudes on the NMS vary widely. He didn't mention that some diehard Rush fan gave me grief because I'd "rather stand 4-5 hours at a DT show and sit at a Rush show." (Never mind the fact that Atlanta's Omni is reserved seating and Birch Hell is general admission....I dared to compare the two bands in a public forum.) Fact is, many Rush fans are like that; it's one reason why I seldom post to the NMS anymore, why I don't frequent their once-great IRC channel #p/g!, and why I sometimes get a little disgusted with that whole holier-than-thou attitude. --Not that DT fans are entirely free from it, but at least we have a sense of humility: "our" band isn't playing hockey arenas and getting acres of airplay even in such radio hellholes as Atlanta, GA, so we're kinda used to being the underdogs. :) --Which leads me to my last observation, which parallels (sneaky FW reference) a few posts from others on the NMS regarding following Rush..... In the past thirteen months I've made two lengthy roadtrips and one brutal air-journey (http://www.crl.com/~vanyel/dt-lirr.html) to see Dream Theater, but moreover to meet other Ytsejammers and see friends I'd met before from the Jam. At all times during these pilgrimages the other DT fans I've met have been terrific. Heath provided crash space for a few nights and quite a few rides around Schlong Island. Heather (hmm, is Heath a subset of Heather? :)) was kind enough to provide a care-package for our long ride home three weekends ago. Others gave rides, or provided directions, and otherwise helped along the way. To sum up, DT fans are, with few exceptions, terrific examples of humanity. It's the end of the year, time for a change of seasons and some final thoughts. I'll take this opportunity, then, to thank all of you who have helped make this online community one of the strongest and most pleasant online music fan groups I know of. I'm sure some of you have also felt that trememdous "sense of belonging" to a group that honestly cares about its members. Sure, this camaraderie is a bit stronger amongst the IRCers since we chat with eachother nearly every day, but each and every Ytsejammer helps in his/her own way toward making this a pleasant haven on the wild, raging Infobahn. Again, thanks to all of you, and may we all have a happy, healthy and prosperous 1997 -- especially the members of DT, for whom 'this could be the year.' :) And a special thanks to the Jammer who sent me a surprise Christmas present all the way from Austria. Two words: I cried. :) -- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 00:32:29 -0800 (PST) From: James LaPortnoy To: email_address_removed Subject: Question (DTC!!!) Message-ID: Hey kids! I was browsing Mike's webpage and I saw something there I had a question about. I could've just emailed Mike about it, but being a newlywed and all I'd think he migght be busy with other things ;) Here's what I saw: ** What is Dream Theater "Tapestry: A Cascade of Covers"??? Alas, this project has been called off. The band has requested that the Uncovered gig NOT be released as a bootleg. I was not told why, but we can reasonably guess that the material will see real release soon!!! Especially considering the Xmas CD contents, this seems even more likely. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What is the xmas CD? I was off the jam for a couple months so I didn't hear about this. Could someone please email me about this. SC **************************************************************************** ********** There's a demon in my belly and a gremlin in my brain. There's someone up the chimneyhole, and Satan is his name! Spinal Tap - Christmas With The Devil **************************************************************************** ********** ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2144 **************************