YTSEJAM Digest 2138 Today's Topics: 1) Re: HMMMMMM............. by "Robert Quezada" 2) Re: Derek's comments to us after BH by email_address_removed (Elliott Kim) 3) Re: Derek's comments to us after BH by "KorgX3" 4) Re: DT Covers by email_address_removed (Vincent LuPone) 5) Re: Re: HMMMMMM............. by email_address_removed (Vincent LuPone) 6) ---> Dream Theater Rare CD's For Sale- Majesty, etc. <-- by Tim 7) suckholes and such by "Andrew Miller" 8) Re: Metallica sold out by email_address_removed (Vincent LuPone) 9) Metallica set lists by Satan Claus 10) Fan Club CD by Neil Elliott 11) I am not Marcel Berkhout, Happy Holidays by Marcel Coenen 12) clockwork. by Syrinx 13) Japanese Awake w/Eve mini disc 4 sale by Kevin Villines 14) question by Albert Balkiewicz 15) NDTC - A Quality Band by Eddy M 16) NDTC - Tony Iommi / Jethro Tull by Eddy M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:30:15 -0500 From: "Robert Quezada" To: Subject: Re: HMMMMMM............. Message-ID: > a weird thought just came to mind as i was reading old jams about DT asking > mike bahr not to put out the stuff from the ronn scotts gig. Now there is > said to be alot of new material that they are going to record, even quite > possible enough to make a double CD. So this brings us to a weird point as i > would doubt that any non DT fans would buy a double CD but there is a way > aound that. I seem to remember hearing that the band has about 100-115 > minutes of new music with one of the songs possibly being Metropolis part II > (which was stated to be about 1/2 hour long. Now subtract the 30 minutes > from the 100 and you get 70 minutes, close to the max that can be put on a > CD. so this would leave Metropolis part II all by its lonesome, and being Nice idea, but I need as much new DT as possible ASAP. If they have a 30 minute song, I have to hear it. :) They almost maxed out a CD with Awake and with Metallica's load lasting 78:59, there's probably a mastering plant that can get near 90. Or maybe they can get a song or two on a movie soundtrack or something. rq ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:40:27 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Elliott Kim) To: The Ytsejam Subject: Re: Derek's comments to us after BH Message-ID: >To me, this isn't an unreasonable attitude. During the show I noticed >some differences between his keyboard parts and KevMo's, but nothing I >was really offended by.... Not that I'm any sort of keyboards expert, >but for me the show wasn't imperiled or ruined by Derek's modifications. >At least DT is letting their newcomer into the mix; Jason Newsted wasn't >so lucky. :) > I personally expect different interpretations of parts when a new member steps into a band! It's IMHO, boring if a new member just plays the parts note-for-note. I don't doubt that the rest of the band told him, "do what you want with those sections," as a measure of faith in him as a full member of the band, and not just some hired hand. While I wasn't at the recent shows, Derek's been inserting his personality into the keyboard parts whenever I had the pleasure to hear his interpretations of KevMo's parts - like that one synth lead sound of his, which I think is quite unique and identifiable. It's almost like a cross between a classic analog synth, Van Halen's "Brown Sound," Holdsworth's "liquid" guitar, and a saxophone. -- Elliott Kim -------------------------------------------------------- --e l l i o t t @ f x n . c o m ----- E - M a n @ d r e a m t . o r g-- --h t t p : / / w w w . f x n . c o m / u s e r s / e / e l l i o t t-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:16:41 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Derek's comments to us after BH Message-ID: > >To me, this isn't an unreasonable attitude. During the show I noticed > >some differences between his keyboard parts and KevMo's, but nothing I > >was really offended by.... Not that I'm any sort of keyboards expert, > >but for me the show wasn't imperiled or ruined by Derek's modifications. > >At least DT is letting their newcomer into the mix; Jason Newsted wasn't > >so lucky. :) > > > I personally expect different interpretations of parts when a new member > steps into a band! It's IMHO, boring if a new member just plays the parts > note-for-note. Hell, you can't blame Derek for doing it at all either. We all have different styled of playing. Derek's is jazzier than KevMo's classical style. I'd get really bored playing someone else's crap all night, so I'd rewrite it to fit my style, too. When I learn DT songs on my keyboard, I don't try to learn them note for note, I just try to make them sound as close to the original, yet allow them to fit my style of playing (which is more of a fluid classical style like Kev's anyway, more like Yanni's, I'm rambling...) I really can't wait to hear what Derek does on this new album. This is where you'll all get to see how good the guy REALLY is. (Some of you already have, you *insert poitive/negative collective noun here*) Laterz! KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:59:18 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Vincent LuPone) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT Covers Message-ID: Syrinx posted: > i'd much rather see dt to "dyers eve" than _fade to black_ C'mon guys! Any song by Metallica would sound great if it was covered by Dream Theater, but isn't this a little bit greedy? No offense, please. I mean after all, they just did "Damage Inc." (One of the heaviest/fastest/best Metallica songs of all time) on the fan club CD and it thoroughly kicked ass. Do we really need another? Should we even ask, or should we just wait and see what DT cooks up for us in the future? They've been very good to us recently, and we shouldn't get greedy with 'em (my opinion). Don't get me wrong, though, I would love to hear DT do any Metallica song because in my opinion they're all great songs, but if they never do, I won't be upset. Dream Theater has given us some of the greatest music of our time and they will probably continue to do so for many years to come. I'm just thankful for that. On a side note, if you get a chance to see Gary Hoey any time soon, go do it. I just got back from his show here in Phoenix and he's simply amazing live. Later all, Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince p.s. Merry Christmas, happy Hanuckah (sp??), and a happy new year to all!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:10:58 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Vincent LuPone) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Re: HMMMMMM............. Message-ID: >They almost maxed out a CD with Awake and with Metallica's load lasting >78:59, there's probably a mastering plant that can get near 90. Or maybe >they can get a song or two on a movie soundtrack or something. > There are CDs that go over the 80 minute (approx.) limit, but those CDs cost a lot of money. I remember an interview w/ Kirk Hammett of Metallica somewhere where he said that they tried to put one more song on Load or extend a song or something, but it turned out to be about 82 minutes or so total. That would've made them use the different type of CDs, but that those CDs cost about $100 a piece. He said that he know's Metallica fans are loyal, but making them pay $100 for an extra 3 minutes of metal was kinda rediculous. No shit, Kirk. Do you really want to see DT on a movie soundtrack? Later, Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 02:14:35 -0500 From: Tim To: email_address_removed Subject: ---> Dream Theater Rare CD's For Sale- Majesty, etc. <-- Message-ID: Times New RomanHello 'Jammers, and Merry Xmas!! I am once again offering the following CD's for sale. 1. DREAM THEATER - as Majesty: The Official 1986 Demo [1 CD] 2. DREAM THEATER - InstruMENTAL!: The 1987 Recordings [1 CD] 3. DREAM THEATER - Instrumental 2: Our Music, Your Brain [ 1 CD] 4. DREAM THEATER - No Sleep Since Brooklyn/ Instrumental 3 [ 1 CD] 5. DREAM THEATER - AWAKE in Japan 1995 [1 VHS VIDEO] -also- 6. RISING POWER - Power to the People! [1 CD] 7. QUEENSRYCHE - Global Theater - Middletown, NY [1 VHS VIDEO] The quality on all of these discs is excellent, as I'm sure many 'jammers can attest to. Also, the Instrumental 2 CD does include the original demo version of "A Change of Seasons" as well as other rarities...No sleep/Instrumental 3 contains one of the only recorded live Majesty shows from 1986.....and of course , the Majesty CD is a must for any DT fan.....If you're looking for an amusing item check out the Rising Power CD.... Its *definately* not DT..more like early 80's cheese rock!! :) The "Awake in Japan" Video is the pay-per-view concert from 1995...it includes the full show and pre-show interviews and awards presentation.... For complete set-lists and info on the cd's please visit my web site at: http://w3.nai.net/~axe Or if you'd just like the prices and ordering information, please email me at the following address: email_address_removed with the subject of "send-cd-info". It is not an autoresponder, but I'll get the info to you within 24 hours.......... I hope to be able to ship within 48 hours of receiving a 'money order' order, and within 72 for checks.... Any questions, please email me at email_address_removed THANKS!!! Happy Holidays.. Tim email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Lodge email_address_removed ATTENTION: EMAIL ADDRESS IS CHANGING SOON from email_address_removed TO email_address_removed If you send email to my @nai.net address and it bounces, please forward it to my new one. Thanks !!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 02:03:24 +0000 From: "Andrew Miller" To: email_address_removed Subject: suckholes and such Message-ID: On 23 Dec 96 at 20:39, email_address_removed spewed forth the following words: > what a great word suckhole, never heard that one b4. suckhole, (C)1996, AndrewFuckingMiller. (it's an irc thang) ;-) > Metallica shouldn't be discussed on the ytsejam. They are a poor example of > what music has become today. I am not impressed what so ever with anything > that Metallica has put out therefore, because Dream Theater rules, I think > you should discuss Dream Theater on the ytsejam. Later...j i agree about the DT statement. but just to warn you... metallica was brought up in this fashion a few months back and it turned this list into an ugly war zone. it got so bad that skadz had to step in and request everyone to settle down... just be careful about those comments. i'd hate to see that shit start up again. Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage http://www.avalon.net/~subtlerage - email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 01:33:45 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Vincent LuPone) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Metallica sold out Message-ID: >Metallica shouldn't be discussed on the ytsejam. They are a poor example of >what music has become today. I am not impressed what so ever with anything >that Metallica has put out therefore, because Dream Theater rules, I think >you should discuss Dream Theater on the ytsejam. Later...j > Not again. Please, NOT AGAIN!!!!!!! Isn't this whole "Metallica sold out, Metallica sold out" bullshit just a little bit old? It's like beating a dead horse. If you don't like newer Metallica material, fine. Don't listen to it, but respect the fact that some others around you (especially here on a music forum like this) do like their stuff. There are some bands covered here on the 'jam that I could care less about, but I keep my big mouth shut about what I think of them because I don't want to offend someone else who might think the world of a band I can't stand. It's a respect thing. Dream Theater's music is similar to Metallica's in many regards, and they even list them as a major influence if I'm not mistaken. So, why should we not talk about them? While this is a Dream Theater mailing list, I am quite hapy that it's not strictly regulated by Skadz. He seems like a very nice guy and he lets us do basically what we want to on this list. If you, by chance don't like that, may I recommend the "Voices" mailing list? I think Lars Ulrich said it best when he was asked if Metallica sold out, "Yeah, we 'sell-out' every arena we play." Later all, Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 01:09:32 -0800 (PST) From: Satan Claus To: email_address_removed Subject: Metallica set lists Message-ID: hell-o-ho-ho! If anyone here has gone to ANY of the Metallica shows (except Fresno) could you please email the set list to me? I wanna get as many of them as possible to see if the set lists change at all. Merry Christmas! Scott **************************************************************************** *********** There's a demon in my belly, there's a gremlin in my brain. There's someone up the chimneyhole, and Satan is his name! Spinal Tap - Christmas with the Devil **************************************************************************** *********** **************************************************************************** ********** There's a demon in my belly and a gremlin in my brain. There's someone up the chimneyhole, and Satan is his name! Spinal Tap - Christmas With The Devil **************************************************************************** ********** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:52:43 -0500 From: Neil Elliott To: "INTERNET:email_address_removed" Subject: Fan Club CD Message-ID: I have been reading with some interest the ramblings of members of the fan club, in regards to the xmas cd.: >looks like that you have missed out. IMO if your only reason for >joining is to get the CD you are doing it for the wrong reason, and I >hope you don't get one. This is not a flame, just an opinion. And also some of the comments from non-members: >Obviously you did not read my post *carefully* because I said that I had heard that >joining the club wasn't worth the money. A lot of ppl around here said that >there wasn't enough substance to the club, and that it always said it would >do stuff it never did. I hope that it IS worth it however because DT rocks. I am assuming here that this is refering to the 'old' fan club set-up that I took over from in April last year? Which I have to agree was in an absolutely disgraceful state. I hope that people who are members have seen a vast improvement in things over the last 8 months, and that they are getting their stuff through? It has taken time to sort this shit out and set things straight, but we are getting there, so hold tight. Finally, if you are not signed up yet (why not?), you can still join and have a very good chance of picking up the xmas cd, as there are some left!!!!! First come first served! Anyway, seasons greetings and best wishes to everyone (FC members and non members alike), and here's to a big '97 for the band. Cheers, Neil Elliott - DTIFC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 12:01:35 +0200 From: Marcel Coenen To: email_address_removed Subject: I am not Marcel Berkhout, Happy Holidays Message-ID: Hi Jammers, At first I want to clear up that I am NOT Marcel Berkhout, I am Marcel COENEN, I am just a guitarplayer, i do trade but I don't sell CD's or whatever, yes, our own, haha. I want to wish evey jammer a happy christmas and a very heavy Newyear, and let's hope that the new DT comes out very soon. Take Care and don't drink and eat too much !! Marcel Coenen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | --- - - | | | | | * | | | ---- ----- - - /--- | ------- --- ---- ---- | | | |-- | | | | | |--| | | | | | | |-- | | ------- ---- - - - ---- | \ ----- ---- --- ---- ---- | | | | Marcel Coenen | | Guitarist LEMUR VOICE | | | | E-Mail: mcoenen@cobweb.nl | | | | Lemur Voice Homepage URL: http://www.cobweb.nl/mcoenen | | | | Check out our new album "INSIGHTS" available at | | Magna Carta (USA) and Roadrunner (Europe & Japan) | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 07:29:51 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx To: Yitz-say-jam Subject: clockwork. Message-ID: just got back from seein' clockwork at the middle east here in philly. they only played 3 tunes, but they kicked alot of ass. the crowd was (suprisingly) into the music from the start. they even applauded the solos! brent allman and chris ingles were there (you know, from shadow gallery?) and they both give their hellos to the jam. according to brendt, the drums for the new album are done. when he comes back to the area (he's going down to dallas for the new year) the rest of the album will be put into place. both guys were down to earth and _very_ cool to hang with. brendt also had some fun memories of the working man sessions (which were highly interesting!@) m. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 07:49:43 -0600 From: Kevin Villines To: email_address_removed Subject: Japanese Awake w/Eve mini disc 4 sale Message-ID: I've got a copy of the Japanese version of Awake w/the eve mini disc that I'm willing to part with. I'll take $35 ppd. E-Mail me at email_address_removed Thanks, Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 09:13:14 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz To: email_address_removed Subject: question Message-ID: I just got a "When Dream and Day Unite" CD at a place called Tunes here in Hoboken. The spine on the CD is in an Asian language, and inside, there is a piece of paper with the lyrics and all in the same language..... I was just wondering....is this Korean? It didn't seem to be Japanese or Chinese, but I could be absolutely out of my mind. Happy Holidays..... - Al -- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 01:23:33 -0800 From: Eddy M To: email_address_removed Subject: NDTC - A Quality Band Message-ID: Merry Ytsemas (well here anyway) (-: Anybody else here into The Tea Party, the greatest Canadian band to ever tour Australia ? Rush, Triumph and Santers have never made it. Alhambra (bra eheheheh) Eddy M Melbourne, Oz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 01:30:25 -0800 From: Eddy M To: email_address_removed Subject: NDTC - Tony Iommi / Jethro Tull Message-ID: Mr I is on the video but the band played to a backing tape. Omly Anderson'svocals are live. Yep, even back in '68 it was happening. Eddy "Beer Pig" M Melbourne, Australia This weekend I was watching a tape of *The Rolling Stones Rock And Roll Circus* that was recently shown (for the first time in about 18 years) on VH-1. Anyway, one of the groups that appeared in this 1968 docuvideo was a very early *Jethro Tull*. IA had a good mass of red hair/beard. The song they played was *Song for Jeffrey* which was on their first album. The most interesting item, though, was the guitarist. Martin Barre, the long-time JT axe-man didn't appear with the band until the second album; a guitarist named Mick Abrams (or similar I believe) was on album one. The guitarist that played with JT on the video was left-handed, but I didn't pay much attention until the credits, when I saw that the guitarist was none other than *Tony Iommi*, the heart & soul of *Black Sabbath*. I went back and re-viewed that portion, and sure 'nuf it was him. It was hard to tell since he was wearing a wide-brimmed hat with his head tilted forward slightly; but yes it was him, sporting his trademark black mustache even way back then. The guitar part was a bit different then you might be used to hearing TI play: *Song for Jeffrey* is mostly slide guitar. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2138 **************************