YTSEJAM Digest 2114 Today's Topics: 1) the gathering by RipZero 2) earpluggs on Ivanhoe..? by email_address_removed.se (Lars Nilsson) 3) Tonights Rush Concert by Jeff Forte 4) I just thought of something by email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) 5) a bit late on this thread, but what the fuck.... by "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" 6) What by Jeremy Kube 7) a show: trip review by saveur 8) Re: as for the kes vs. guit controversy by Andrew Keegan 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2113 by "Fred Block" 10) bitces in hell/frustration by Taco Belhai 11) earplugs... by Tyler Stephan Kushera 12) The Moodies revisited by Jennifer 13) Background vocals by "Damon M. Fibraio" 14) Re: BH by "Damon M. Fibraio" 15) Jap PPV vid, potty mouth DT?, and Damon by "LRW" 16) Re: as for the kes vs. guit controversy by "Damon M. Fibraio" 17) Re: YTSEEar plugs and Blindness by "Damon M. Fibraio" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 15:23:21 -0600 From: RipZero To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: the gathering Message-ID: someone asked about these guys a little ago.. i was just being played some of their music by one of the jammers on irc (thanks rudy!:) and i must say it KICKS ASS. i'm definately on the lookout for these guys now too.. if you see them, give em a listen. :) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 22:36:58 +0100 From: email_address_removed.se (Lars Nilsson) To: email_address_removed Subject: earpluggs on Ivanhoe..? Message-ID: Hi, all ya out there. Here just some comment's: Ivanhoe. Great band! My friends had never heard of them, too bad, but I got them all diggin'. Just a warning: The guitarwork on their earlier work is not really as cool as you might want it to be. Otherwise... Great. Earpluggs. Great things to wear. My left ear got problems since playing bigband to much, and my right is on it's way. Tinitus is nothing to play around with. Bye, said Larsan (email_address_removed.se) Ps. Anybody heard T-Ride? If you haven't there is something you should do. Their record is something special... It blew my brain out completly! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 16:35:05 -0500 From: Jeff Forte To: email_address_removed Subject: Tonights Rush Concert Message-ID: Hey everyone; I just got back from the Rush show at Nassau Coluseium (sp?), and I though I would fill you in on it. Generally speaking, it was okay, not great, just okay. Musically, they were dead on. They played some great stuff, Subdivisions, Roll the Bones, Test for Echo and a few others were really awesome, the rest like Force Ten, Leave that Thing Alone, Half the World were also good. 2112 was INSANE, the song comes off so much better live then it does on the album, as was Natural Science. My major complaint about the show was that the band didnt seem to have much energy about them. Geddy was great, running around jumping and he seemed to be having a good time. Alex was okay, he did his thing. The most disappointing member believe it or no was Peart. One of two thing coulds be happening, either he had one to many to drink the night before and was paying for it tonight, or he is just tired of performing in general. He looked like he had about 5000 other places he would rather be than be on that stage. He looked so exausted and un-interested in performing. Dont get me wrong, his actual playing was great, but the vibes he gives off on stage are not that good. The only time I saw him smile or show any type of emotion was during "The Spirit of Radio", when he actually smiled. Pearts drum solo was really good, and made me realize how much Portnoy borrows from Peart when it comes to soloing. The lasers were cool, I only wished that they used them more often during the show. The other thing I can say is that with earplugs, the volume was perfect, without them the volume was way too loud. I always wear earplugs to the shows I attend and I find that it cuts down on that distortion that is heard when a show is too loud. Anyway, on the whole the show was cool, but just not as landmark as I thought it was going to be. Take care everyone....see you on IRC Chambers Jeff Forte ********************* email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 16:48:39 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) To: email_address_removed Subject: I just thought of something Message-ID: I remember reading in interviews (or at least on this mailing list) that the new songs sounded more "radio-friendly" or "happier," like _Images and Words_. They certainly didn't sound like that in Providence (which is one of the reasons I was a little disappointed). Did they decide not to play the lighter songs, or did they rewrite them? Jeff Falk Box 3208 700 Commonwealth Avenue Boston, Massachusetts 02215 (617) 352-8639 email_address_removed "Whatever their future, at the dawn of their lives, men seek a noble vision of man's nature and of life's potential. . . . It does not matter that only a few in each generation will grasp and achieve the full reality of man's proper stature-and that the rest will betray it. It is those few that move the world and give life its meaning." Ayn Rand, "Introduction," _The Fountainhead_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 14:12:44 -0800 (PST) From: "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" To: Fucknuts Subject: a bit late on this thread, but what the fuck.... Message-ID: Behind on jams!!! And I missed 2112!!! Um...Being kind of a jazz nut m'self, I thought I'd post about the best jazz CD I've bought in the last five years.... Dave Holland Quartet: Extensions -- This is probably the best jazz CD I own (including Coltrane, Monk, etc). This beast is an odd time nightmare: thirteens, nines, and sevens all over the place: the jazz equivalent of Dream Theater. Dave Holland played bass for Miles Davis, for those who're wondering who the hell the guy is. And for all fellow drummers out there, check out Marvin "Smitty" Smith's playing on this. He's got the crisp roll of Cobham, the ride attack of Elvin Jones, and the precision of Dave Weckl (but with feeling!!! sorry dave fans). Guitar is by Kevin Eubanks and I can't, for the life of me remember the sax players name. I really like this disc because it has a real contemporary sound to it, but you can sense the "jazz roots" there, know what I mean? Give it a listen. And if you do and you play guitar, could you please e-mail me your thoughts? I'd like to compare them to what my guitarist said... My guitarst. HA! Rahul Ananda : email_address_removed or email_address_removed ----------------------------------------------------------------- The universe divided as the Heart and Mind collided : At paranoia's poison door : The pen won't stay the Demon's wings : The Weaver and the Web that he made : The youngest of the family is moving with authority : Willing to risk salvation to escape from isolation : You've drowned in your soul's emptiness : Bus stop rat bag haha charade you are : Knights of the Green Shield stamp and shout : Searching for the answers but there's D A M A G E ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 17:25:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube To: email_address_removed Subject: What Message-ID: Gothere ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 17:25:46 -0500 From: saveur To: email_address_removed Subject: a show: trip review Message-ID: welp, Birch Hell part deux fully lived up to the reputation that we attendees of last year's sweat-fest had given it. it was hot, i was squished, a small mosh pit formed, ppl wore a stunned look on their faces, someone fainted...and this was just the pre-show gathering ;) actually, kudos to Heather for getting all 213435 of us into one section. the folx of TGIFriday's were nice, friendly and spoke w/ those funny NJ accents. so my lil Dodge Shadow (VA plates BAZZIST for those of you who saw em) packed w/ 4 of the 5 ppl who had planned to go (damn drummers, eh rob?) left the sprawling, greater metropolis known as Manassas, VA at 2.45pm. after listening to, in order: WDADU, I&W, Awake, bit of Type O Negative, and most of ACOS w/ a touch of Tori thrown in somewhere, we arrive at TGIF's right at 6.30pm (had it not been raining, we'd have made even better time). we march into the restaurant, i immediately spot Heather (how can you not w/ that hair? jk, son :) and am told we dont have a table, yet. so as the rest of my party sits at the bar and orders food, i meet and greet w/ many, many fine Jammers, too numerous to list all of yous (though i'm sure *someone* will post all the names). after mingling for an hour or so and a beer, we're finally seated and the ever-so-capable TGIF's crew takes our orders. i don't think anyone's order was screwed up and everyone got the drink they ordered...it was amazing. we ate, drank, and made merry while George ran around snapping pictures. Jammers and former Jammers continued to arrive (i guess there was some confusion about *which* TGIF's the meet was at). at some point Skadz looks at his watch, decides we should get going, and our fearless leader collected our money for this HUGEMONGOUS bill (it was quite large ;) by threatening to unsubscribe anyone who didn't pay. actually, he used that threat a couple times. anyway, w/ the bill paid, everyone gathered outside for a massive group orgy, i mean, group photo. that taken we filed to our cars. a few of us road travelers received lovely parting gifts, er, bags filled w/ food for the trip home, from Heather. thanx a MILLION, babe. that bag was muchly needed :) so we arrived at the matchbox sized club, stood in line for 20 mins or so (beats the HOUR plus from last year), sold my spare ticket to some guy waiting in the ticket line. i'm such a nice guy, i didn't even make money on it. so we piled in, bought shirts, congregated at the top of the stairs then as the main pack worked their way towards the soundboard, my brother and i opted for the floor. i got about halfway to the stage and figured there was no point in pushing further to see Einstein. boy was i wrong. and i picked the wrong side, too. should have gone over to the keyboardist's side to get a better, uh, look at her keyboards. yeah :) overall, i wasn't too impressed w/ Einstein. they were like a slightly more prog Soundgarden. and they need a real bassist, damnit. keep the keys tho :) they played their set and seemed to be having fun. they finished and i worked my way a couple more ppl closer to the front. unlike last year, DT didn't make us wait forever. they only played a couple songs during the wait, a bootleg version of Fates Warning's Monument, Rooster (of course) and that was about it. the lights went dark, the crowd leaned forward, the intro music played (who here misses the Simpsons theme? i do). DT hit the stage and again the crowd surged forward, except this year the club owners had a big metal barricade to protect the stage. some really ignorant fucks started moshing and i took it upon myself to step into the middle to stop it. amazingly they did...until they started into the Mirror. but by then i had been forced too far forward to do anything about it except get squished. the setlist was the same as all the previous shows, though they did a tease of One/Damage, Inc. at the end of Metropolis. was awesome seeing the Ytsejam and AH/KH. it seemed the ppl right near the front by Derek and JM were i ended up knew the older stuff, including the "PLEASE DON'T GO!". twas kool. The Boys looked like they were having a grand time; laughing, joking around, JP had cheeze, crackers and wine on his amp and offered some to James and Mike. of course Mike took a piece of something, bit into it and then threw it out into the crowd. AND PPL DOVE FOR IT! A PIECE OF FOOKIN CHEEZE! James was in the best mood i've ever seen him in, pointed out JP's GI Joe shirt, making fun of the little spotlite that magically came on when he started talking, and squirting/spiting water at Mike. and he only left the stage a few times. unlike previous shows, he stuck around for most of the instrumental parts, playing a tamborine. kool. sound: was it loud? i really couldnt tell. i had my earplugs in and being so close to the stage, missed the main brunt of it. but what i heard, the mix was good. everyone was clear, lots of nifty subs etc. hmmm, let's see. wut else? oh yeah. fans of JM's boots take note: BIG clod-hoppers this year...i wish i was a rock star so i could wear leather pants...JM's new basses are sweet. i din't really dig the colour of that blue/black translucent one but they sounded excellent. ok, i'm sure i've left out another 3 or 4 posts worth of stuff but i've gone on long enuf as is. once again, a HUGE THANX! to Heather for the pre-show activities and the lifesaving food for the trip home. sorry i couldn't stick around and try and get backstage passes from the running Skadz. maybe next time :) john saveur j . c h r i s t i a n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m e n s h t t p : / / w w w . c a i s . n e t / j j e n s / ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 17:44:40 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: as for the kes vs. guit controversy Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 email_address_removed wrote: > the guitar is phallic. the keys are not. girls who go see bands like guys who > play with phallic things because they are wholly convinced that's how they > play with their true phalli. males, ever-wise marketers of the good of the > world, realize this, and thus push all other instruments out of the way. > > but what about drums? what's so phallic about drums, and they get all the > attention, too. well, some girls get so enthralled by guys beating on > things, well....the rest is history. I was sorta thinking something like this at the Birch Hill show last night. One problem with keyboard players is that you can't easily see their fingers going wild all over their instrument. I hear Derek wailing on Line in the Sand, but I can't see what the fuck he's doing. Mike, John, and John get to show everything. It looks so cool to just watch them. All we get to see with Derek is his snarl, and that gets a bit tired after a while. Derek needs to get one of those Keytar things and show his stuff. > "energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp "lions and tigers and bears" - dorothy Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:00:57 -0500 From: "Fred Block" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2113 Message-ID: > > Anyone at the shows happen to see what kind of kit Mike Portnoy is using? > Is he back with Mapex? Tama? Maxwell House? > > > Bafu Vai > Hey Bafu! Missed ya at the show last night!! Wasup? Sure did. At least I saw the heads. :) TAMA all the way baby. Heck....one of them almost hit me in the head after the show. Heh! Awsome set! Anyways....I want to say a BIG hello to all of you for I am back. I had unsubscribed from the list a while back but had to come back so....here I am. I was at the show at Birch Hill with a few friends. Let me tell ya...it was AWESOME! Totally blew away last years show and the new shit is IN-FUCKING-CREDIBLE!!! What is this I hear about waiting till SUMMER to get the new album?? :( That sucks. Anyways....I was real glad to meet all of you at TGIF (of course I went to the wrong one first. :) It was a blast to talk with all of you but I suck at names. Skadz: Get in touch and we will work out mirroring the IRC server without me getting kicked and banned from the IRC channel. :) Long story. Cool to see ya again. Augie: Nice to meet ya although....if that was you that cut EVERYONE off at the Rt. 9 jug after the show....ya almost hit me ya nut!! :) Do you drive a gray celica? Heh! To everyone that sat at OUR little end of the table...took long enough for us to get a fucking coke eh? Nice to meet all of ya. To the guy who flipped his Neon or whatever and did not even know it....In the future....I do not recommend you telling that story to someone who just met you...made ya look like....well...... kinda weird. :) No offense eh? Who drove the furthest to get to the show? I emphasize...DROVE. :) Loved the picture we took after eating. Hope to get it developed soon then I will post it on my www page for all of you. Nice mob shot. As for the show...now I know why nobody likes Birch Hill. Man....you need a fucking fortune to purchase a all terrain vehicle to get to the fucking building!! The drive way sucks and so did the $2 for parking!! Maybe they will pave the damn place. New shirts look great. Got one. Long Sleeve. Got a hat too. $50. Can we say "Cha-Ching!". :) Last but not least...I brought my camera with me and took about 20 shots. Now all I can do is hope that they came out. Will let all of you know soon. Talk to yas later!! Fred Block P.S. Can we go to the Fantazia diner again next year? Maybe I can get kicked out again for telling the fatass loser that they call a manager to go fuck himself!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:17:25 -0500 (EST) From: Taco Belhai To: the cool people Subject: bitces in hell/frustration Message-ID: Hey there- I first want to thank all the jammers who posted useless shit in jam 2112. It was some great reading material. I have gone to Birch Hill and come back alive. Ahhhh yes...what a blast. If only there weren't so many dicks in the club. What was up with those moshers. What assholes! They were really pissing me of. Who the fuck moshes to metropolis??!!? I met some jammers. Some cool, some not. I met Augie or Heath or whatever the hell his name is. He was an ok guy to talk to but he kept asking me and my friend to move our arms so that he could get to the front. I told him to stay the fuck where he is. He kept bothering my friend until my friend told him that he would deck him if continued to bother him. Augie stopped then. The songs were great. Ytsejam was the highlight. I really wish I remember what the new songs sounded like. I guess I'll just have to wait until the summer. Oh yeah...I love the long sleeve DT shirt that I got there. AWESOME!!!!! Brandon (aka Taco Belhai) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 17:17:55 -0600 (CST) From: Tyler Stephan Kushera To: email_address_removed Subject: earplugs... Message-ID: I'm sorry that I'm getting into this late b/c someone may have already answered it... Do "professional" bands have to wear earplugs when thet play live? I heard (no pun intended) that OSHA had something to do with it? On a personal note, earplugs rock!! The sound quality is so much better with them... but don't try to mosh with 'em in, you won't have them in very long :) ~tyler FINALS SUCK!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 96 15:25:08 -0000 From: Jennifer To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: The Moodies revisited Message-ID: Partha in #2110: >then it said it also included the moody blues.....wha??? sure, they got the >orchestration stuff happening, but are they really considered prog? You must be a 'jam skimmer. ;) We just had this discussion only a week or two ago. I don't intend to reiterate reasons here, but, yes, they're considered prog by many. Jen o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals. ((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Steven Hawking) O/ \O ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 96 18:29:53 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" To: email_address_removed Subject: Background vocals Message-ID: Who was doing background vocals for Mirror at Bh? When he yelled out Hyjpocrite, James just burst into laughter. Kind of ruined the line, but it was so funny, I almost pissed myself. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 96 18:34:25 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: BH Message-ID: Pellaz and Augie were there and I didn't meet them? What the hell is up with this? I get it. Ytsejammers are avoiding me. With a few exceptions, you all are afraid to look me in the face. Can't blame ya, even my girlfriend rates me a 2 on a 10 scale. I don't care if Brad Pitt is 10, either, a 2 is a 2. Anyway, you all suck, and I will never forgive you. Well, maybe I will, if you come to my house and kiss my butt. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 16:38:48 -0700 From: "LRW" To: Subject: Jap PPV vid, potty mouth DT?, and Damon Message-ID: hey everyone. Excuse my ignorance, but does anybody know which tragedy it was that called for the 15 seconds of silence? That vid rocks. Derek is really good. I hope he's gotten rid of the double-chin though. It does kinda look like he says "Homo" but there's no "I'm a" before it. Didn't somebody say that KJLB was sick that night? I thought he did a marvelous job, although I suppose his voice did crack a few times. Insert joke about Ytse-adolescence/Ytsepuberty. 8^) I was disappointed when I heard that James says "shit" in one of the new songs. Not that I don't listen to stuff with naughty words in it, but I just always thought DT was above that sort of stuff. DON"T STOOP TO RAP'S LEVEL!!!! whoa sorry about that. Sorry about the harsh words Damon, but does anybody else agree that 10 posts in one jam is a bit excessive? Especially when he blatantly breaking 3 out of the sacred 5 ytserules. And yes Damon we know that you are blind. We all feel really bad about it, but I don't see why that has to a topic of conversation. Although it is kinda fun to say that your blindness was caused by something to do with a certain Stevey Vai song (hehehehe) Is that normal speaking speed for japanese people or was that chick on the vid just really perky? g-whiz she was fast. woot ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 96 18:49:17 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: as for the kes vs. guit controversy Message-ID: Hey, Wildcoba. Let's drink. You know why girls love drummers. Look at what drummers use to hit the drums. Sticks. Use your imagination enough and you know what we can translate sticks into. Oh well, enough of my dirty mind. You're not too awesome yourself, anyway, dude. :) You ramble, too. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 96 18:57:53 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEEar plugs and Blindness Message-ID: Could it be? I have a half-brother on the jam. Yo, Steve. Welcome to the world. Hey, man, together, we can post meaningless bullshit all over the Jam. Join the ranks of the ytseblind today. In a serious note, Yeah, there are people like Stevie wonder and Ray Charles, and yes they are talented , but do you think that maybe their blindness was the reason why they are who they are. Marketting blindness as a tool for success? God, if that could only work for real. I've found in my experience that in NJ, if you can't drive, who needs you. Hell, I can play well enough to get into most bands, except Dream Theater and the like, although I could get into a Rush Tribute band, but if you can't drive, then they don't want to spend the time to pick you up with your equipment. Ahh, the sacrifice. Who cares if the guy can play and add to your sound and maybe give you that extra edge and songwriting ability. No car, Fuck off. Die. Well, I would say it's your loss, but the reality is that it is mine, because musicians are working and I am not. Jealous? Yes, i am. Bitter. You bet your ass. But I think I have a reason to be, don't you guys? Oh well, Steve, it's good to know that I am not the only ytseblink here. Why did it take you so long to come out of the closet, anyway? It's not like you're gay or something. Admitting blindness won't bring hellfire down upon you, like admitting homosexuality. For the record, I am not homophobic, do what you want behind closed doors, but don't involve me. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2114 **************************