YTSEJAM Digest 2104 Today's Topics: 1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2097 by "SchuBert" 2) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2101 by "SchuBert" 3) Re: Repost Birch Hill directions by "Robert Quezada" 4) They ain't Einstein; Jazz for DT fans by Rick Audet 5) Providence... by Michael Burstin 6) Re: ID, Blowfish, Posters, IRC by "KorgX3" 7) (blank) by Henrik Gustafsson 8) Cool info about Derek's stuff by YTSE-TODD 9) More on the Great Keyboard vs. Guitar Controversy by "Greg R. Lee" 10) Need opinions on Glass Hammer by Walter S Semerenko 11) Derek Sherinian by Jeffrey Robert Chew 12) DT in RI by email_address_removed (Pat Sullivan) 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2103 by email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) 14) U2 cover by "Dale R. Newberry" 15) 6 Strings Vs Keys by Luke 16) Providence! by Andrew Rittner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:35:43 +0100 (CET) From: "SchuBert" To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2097 Message-ID: > All I have to say is Trent Resner, WHO-da-fuck from Smashing Pumpkins, > Ambient music, Yani, Who-da-Fuck from Black Crows, Who-da-fuck from Sonic > Youth, etc. No way, man! I mean, you're right about the most of them, but I love the Crowes' keyboardist (Eddie some-thing). I really dig Hammond organs, and he is one of the best Hammond players I've heard. Perhaps not technically, but he fits right in with the rest of the band. And I can't help it, I just love the Crowes. WW /__\ Groeten! | oo | (|_()_|) +-------------------------+ \__/ | email_address_removed.nl | /|\/|\ +-------------------------+ |||||||| |||||||| |||||||| Bert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:05:53 +0100 (CET) From: "SchuBert" To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2101 Message-ID: > Anyway, anyone else know if FF use a drum machine in recording? I > thought DT did for I&W until I saw them live... I don't know if they use a drum machine on their recordings, but I DO know this sucker KICKS ASS playing live. His double bassdrum is really fast. I can't keep up with him hitting on the table with my hands, so let alone with my legs (but then again, I'm not a drummer). And another line I found: > DT really made me appreciate keyboards a lot. Keyboards made me appreciate DT a lot, actually. WW /__\ Groeten! | oo | (|_()_|) +-------------------------+ \__/ | email_address_removed.nl | /|\/|\ +-------------------------+ |||||||| |||||||| |||||||| Bert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:43:08 -0500 From: "Robert Quezada" To: Subject: Re: Repost Birch Hill directions Message-ID: > Could someone please repost or e-mail me the directions > to Birch Hill? I can get to the Old Bridge area ok but I need > to know how to find the club. It is route 9 or route 18? > Coming from the Turnpike: from exit 11 (Garden State Parkway), take that to the Parkway South. Get off at Route 9. Keep going for about 15 minutes. Birch Hill is on your right about 1/2 mile after the Route 18 overpass. from exit 9 (Route 18), go down Route 18 South. Follow that until you see an exit for Route 9 south. The exit is about 20 minutes from when you get on Route 18. Birch Hill is on the right. from exit 8 (Route 33), take Route 33 East. Follow the road until you get to an exit for Business 33 East / Route 9. It will be after a Satellite store dealership (it has one of those 6 foot dishes on the top -- not hard to miss). This is about 15 minutes from the TP. Follow Business Route 33 east. You'll eventually see Route 9. It's a fairly large intersection with a car dealership on the left. Turn left at this light and continue up Route 9 North. 20 minutes later you'll pass Birch Hill on the Southbound side. It's one light after McDonald's in the Marlboro Shopping Center. Take the jughandle to make a U-Turn and Birch Hill is right there. from exit 7A (Route 195), take this to Route 537 East. You could take this to Route 9, but you'll be traveling much further. From Route 537 East, keep following the road until you pass a large shopping mall on your left (Freehold Raceway Mall -- about 20 minutes away). Go to the next light that's just past the bridge. Turn right here to go under the bridge. Follow the signs to Route 9 North. 20 minutes later you'll pass Birch Hill on the Southbound side. It's one light after McDonald's in the Marlboro Shopping Center. Take the jughandle to make a U-Turn and Birch Hill is right there. > Thanks! > rq ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:39:38 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: email_address_removed Subject: They ain't Einstein; Jazz for DT fans Message-ID: >> 2.) I know that one of the opening bands on Saturday >> is a band called "Einstein". What kind of music it is, and >> if they're any good - I have no friggin' clue..... > This is the team of Jordan Rudess and Rod Morganstein. They >rock. It's a lot like Dream Theater with just drums and keys. Real >complex keyboard drum trade offs and stuff. I saw them at the Toads show >and loved them! The Rudess Morgenstein Project are NOT Einstein. Two completely different bands. And for those of you who got to see the former, count yourselves lucky, because I took an Einstein album for a test spin at a local record store a couple weeks ago and........ I didn't buy it. But I'm funny like that. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Kris Long wondered.... > ....if there are any jammers out >there who listen to jazz that would have some good suggestions for jazz >stuff that a DT fan might like. how's that DiMeola guy? or Schofield? >i've never heard their stuff but i've heard they're really good. any >suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thanks. That a DT fan might like? Hm. Well, I by no means am a "jazz listener" in the true sense of the phrase, but I do listen to some stuff that is closer to Jazz than anything else. Al DiMeola- I love his older stuff. First pick would be "Elegant Gypsy". Great songs with lots of "shred", played on a Les Paul and an overdriven Fender Twin. Smooth. That's the album that got me started on good ole Al. Next by him would be "Casino", then "Land of the Midnight Sun", and then "Electric Rendezvous". In that order, I guess. I REALLY don't care for his newer stuff. I can't remember any of the album titles because I've gotten rid of any I might've owned. His newer stuff seems to appeal to the "adult" contemporary jazz community. I don't know how else to describe it, but there's nothing to catch my ear in the newer stuff. If you like his 70's work, you might want to know that he used to play guitar with Chick Corea in the band Return To Forever. Speaking of Chick.... Chick Corea is also popular among Rock fans. In particular, some of his Electric Band albums really treat my ear right. And they give your need to hear shred guitar quite a fix. Frank Gambale, sweep picker extraordinaire, plays on some of those albums. Funny thing...back in my days at the University of Miami Music School, I remember at guitar player saying, and I quote, "Frank Gambale? That guy personifies bad taste." -Dan Warner. Well, I never let that comment lower my opinion of Frank (except for Frank's solo albums....blecchhh!). The two Electric Band albums that BUUURRRNNN (IMO) are "Eye of the Beholder" and "Inside Out". They might take a while to really get into, but once you do, you'll be listening to them for ever. Also, you drummers should take note of Dave Weckl on these albums. Phenomenal. John Schofield- He's really popular, but I don't care for his stuff. I don't know why I feel that way. Maybe I didn't give him enough of a chance. Oh well. Pat Metheny- Ahh, now that's some great stuff. I love most of what he's done. Contemporary Jazz that's not cheese. You won't hear in-your-face shred, but he definitely blows doors with that box and his tone. Outstanding songwriting, IMO. My personal favorites are "Letter From Home", "Still Life (Talking)", and "We Live Here". These albums listed are some of his more recent works, dating back to about '89. Some of his older stuff is less "contemporary" sounding, with a bit more of a jazz sound. From that era, I really like the self-titled, "Pat Metheny Group", which has the classic tune "Phase Dance". And if you eventually find you like music with a bit of an ambient quality to it, I recommend "As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls". That actually was my first ever taste of Pat Metheny. Definitely not for the first-time listener. It took me a LONG time to get into that album, but now, I think it's my favorite. Only the title track is semi-ambient (all 20 minutes of it). The rest is very melodic, with lots of piano/synth sounds to make the sound a bit more dense. Keep an eye out for track 4: "It's For You"....it makes me melt. Mike Stern- Jazz Fusion 100%. I recommend "Upside Downside" and "Time In Place" for starters. Excellent songs with a Rock edge and burning guitar. I once saw his band play at a restaurant/club called the Iron Horse in Northampton, Mass. Man....I thought he was good...but not THAT good. His live playing was unbelievable that night and gave me even more respect for him. Alan Holdsworth- Although I never really got into him, Jazz and Rock guitar players alike enjoy his music greatly. A friend once recommended "Metal Fatigue" to me, but I never got around to checking it out. Probably worth a listen. Scott Henderson- Another Jazz-Fusion player along the lines of Mike Stern. He plays (or played, I'm not quite sure) in a band called Tribal Tech, which is very popular among Rock/Jazz oriented guitar players. I've heard their stuff once at a party and it sounded pretty cool. He also plays on the first Chick Corea Electric Band album, which is self-titled. Well, that's basically how wet my feet have been and still are with respect to Jazz and Jazz Guitar. If you grow to really dig that stuff, maybe more traditional Jazz is also in your liking. I've found it to really be an acquired taste for Rock-oriented listeners to get into. Give it time, and maybe you'll have opened a whole new door of musical enjoyment for yourself. Happy listening. -Rick /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \****************** Richard S. Audet ******************/ /*************** email_address_removed ****************\ \**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ****/ /********* University of Florida *********\ \***** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ****/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:40:21 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed Subject: Providence... Message-ID: Well, once again, an incredible concert... Lets see... we got to the Strand at about 6:30 or so, so we ended up in an incredible location... a few were 2nd row center stage, and I was 1st row in front of Derek stage left, leaning on the stage... The opening acts were awful. Einstein wasn't quite as bad, but the singer screamed mostly instead of singing. The others were barly tolerable to me... the lead singer was totally screaming... at one point towards the end, she asked if people wanted to hear a jazz song instead of a rock song... I was hopeful at this point, but it was barly different from the other songs they did. I also hate them for another reason, which I will get to later on in this message... Anyway, DT was about ready to come on, and unfortunatly, some dumb ass ended up right behind me... kept on talking all this BS like he knew everything.. I was dreading what he was going to be like during the show... Anyway. the curtains lifted, to the cool intro that they have for ACOS, and everyting was great... The bass in the mix might actually have been too high, you could finally hear everything Myung played. Derek had on his YtseCon II shirt, and during Another Hand/ Killing Hand, he noticed my shirt, the origional Ytsejam shirt, which looks fairly similar in the front... he looked down at the logo on his shirt, looks at the logo on mine, then points down to the logo on his again... I cracked up for nearly 5 mins at the point... During Mirror/Lie, someone by us was really acting up shoving and everyting, and decided he wanted to make it up on stage, so everyone around us gave him a hand, and we nicly were able to get rid of him... At one point, I think after Pull Me Under, people were crowd surfing and being annoying in general, and the security guards actually pulled them up on stage to take them away... At that point, James just looks over at them, and starts waving good-bye, and I think everyone in the front row was cracking up... As far as the rest of the set list goes, I beleive it was the same as Toads... but here comes the really shitty part, and the reason that I hate the opening acts... Because they went on for soooo long, DT didn't have a chance to come on to play Metropolis for the encore :( The curtains closed, and we were waiting, when the lights come on and the security guards start telling us to leave for the lobby... James and Mike came out and appoligized for it, said it was beyond their control, and said that they would make it up to us later on... (in other words, be at the Strand the next time that they play there) Lets see... new tracks... I really like how all of them sounded after hearing them a 2nd time... Alot of them are heavier than some stuff on I&W, but not as heavy as Mirror/Lie... I was really trying to get some of the lyrics, but can't really remember too much of them... The only one that really didn't impress me too much was Lines In The Sand, but I think that that is because I didn't hear it enough... Anyway, I've rambled enough for now... I should get going to a full weekend of programming for an Operating Systems final due Monday... -- +--------------------------------+--------+-------------------------+ | Driven to the margin or error | Rush | Michael Burstin | | Driven to the edge of control | Driven | Brandeis University | | Driven to the margin or terror |--------+-------------------------| | Driven to the edge of a deep, dark hole | Lets go Pens & Steelers | +-----------------------------------------+-------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger email_address_removed http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 07:54:30 +0000 From: "KorgX3" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: ID, Blowfish, Posters, IRC Message-ID: > From: Steve Borzilleri > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: ID, Blowfish, Posters, IRC > "Let's see... I got a Babs, a Mike Bahr, a first-edition Mike Bradley, a > Ryan Skadberg WITH cigarette-wagon attachment, a--" Hey, Bafu, I got (count 'em), two Andrew Miller action figures, both highly collectable and they don't even look like the same guy! Amazing, I bet your GI Joe guys couldn't do this! I like to take my Bafu Vai (2nd edition, with weapon cache accesory) and have him gun down all the other action figures who oppose him. I've also got a Mojoman and Mithrandir action figure, and these are very collectable since they don't make em anymore. Hey, anyone wanna trade this RipZero with assorted barnyard animal accesory for the new and improved Hare Krishna Kevin Moore? :) Woo! Woo! KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) email_address_removed "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 16:07 NFT From: Henrik Gustafsson To: email_address_removed Subject: (blank) Message-ID: Hello Thanks a lot to to guy that started the thread about Kevin Moore's hair, because it made me re-discover his tape and it is truly awesome. Too bad it is almost played to death in my tape-recorder. If not his new production is reaching the market soon, I will have to ask for a duplicate. My vote for best short song goes to Mike Bahr for his Mystery-Track of Subconscious-95. Those were my $0.02 for Poor-Musician-Aid-96. -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Henrik Gustafsson Box 957 461 29 Trollh=E4ttan Quality deployer +46(0)520-47 50 49 [fax +46(0)520-47 50 99] =20 =20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:13:38 -0600 (CST) From: YTSE-TODD To: email_address_removed Subject: Cool info about Derek's stuff Message-ID: Derek is using the korg trinity keyboard for the new album (i read that in a korg magazine) and derek endorses korg. i bought a trinity over the summer, and it is one kick ass keyboard. it has two sounds on it called "Dream Theatre" and "Metropolis." i was just wondering if even though they mispelled dream theater that these two sounds are from the band or what. does anybody have any idea? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:17:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Greg R. Lee" To: email_address_removed Subject: More on the Great Keyboard vs. Guitar Controversy Message-ID: One absolutely cannot say that a keyboardist/pianist is a better musician than the guitarist. It is simply not the case. It's like saying a brain surgeon is a better surgeon than a cardio surgeon...they are two different areas of specialization. However, at the non-professional you and me level, I'd give keyboardists the upper hand - why? One word: TABLATURE! Keyboardists for the most part learn how to read music and learn musical structure etc...any Joe Blow can learn to play guitar with tablature and totally ignore the musicianship altogether. I am a case in point. I have been playing guitar for 10 years...I'm not exactly a great player, but I love to dabble...I can read music - I learned by taking courses in school, but I don't practice reading music and I am really slow...but hey, with all of the guitar mags out publishing tunes with tab, I can cheat! Guitar is much more accessible for someone who just wants to dabble with music without becoming a musician. If you want to debate keyboardists vs. guitar in terms of musicianship, you had better define musicianship first. Ie, I am a guitar player, but I am no musician... Greg, Toronto. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:03:36 -0500 (EST) From: Walter S Semerenko To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Need opinions on Glass Hammer Message-ID: Any jammers have any of Glass Hammer's CDs? I would like to buy their first CD and it has been decribed as sounding like ELP. Also, what do you think about the second album? I hear it sounds different than the first and it is based on the writings of xian C.S. Lewis. Walter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:11:28 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Robert Chew To: The BafuJam Subject: Derek Sherinian Message-ID: Dear Jammers, > I am sorry if this has been discussed before,as I was off the > list for a long amount of time before I resubscribed, but I didn't > understand the joke Bafu made about Derek being a "homo".Is he really a > homosexual? Is it a rumor, or is it some kind of inside joke? I am not > a bigot of any kind, I was just sort of suprised by Bafu's statement. > BTW, if he in fact is, it's pretty cruel to dog him because of it. I think Derek Sherinian would be the last person in the world who would be homosexual. Yours, Jeff :) P.S. Sorry that I sort of dropped off the face of the earth lately, I've been busy with schoolwork. P.P.S. How were the Dream Theater shows? I couldn't go, unfortunately. -------------------------------------- Jeffrey R. Chew -- Columbia University E-mail: email_address_removed Home: (516) 674-4828 email_address_removed Dorm: (212) 853-2276 URL: http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309 Pager: (917) 712-4828 "Smile! No one will know what you're up to!" --- Lea Salonga ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:20:00 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Pat Sullivan) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT in RI Message-ID: Well, I finally have recovered enough to post about the show last night. Firstly, I'd like to apologize to anyone who was looking for me at Trinity before the show because I never ended up getting there. :) I got caught in traffic, and then was stuck waiting for someone who was bringing a ticket for someone else, yadda yadda yadda.... On a positive note, DT kicked my ass all over the Strand for the 3rd time. I must say, this time, they *really* looked like they were having fun up there. The new stuff rocked, the crowd was pumped about TKH and Ytsejam (it suprised me how much of the crowd was into the first album stuff...a lot of casual DT fans I know aren't even aware of WDADU). But, for the second straight year, I missed out on an encore because of an opening act. Last year, it was the legendary "Pleasure-Crush-at-El-En-Gee's" incident; this year it was "Let's-add-the-Beth-Hart-Band-to-the-bill". Because of the 2 opening acts, DT didn't get on stage until just before 11:00. Unfortunately, RI has some sort of law that required the show to end on or about 1:00. So all us lucky attendees didn't get to hear Metropolis. James did come out and apologize, while pointing out that it was not their fault. He promised they'd make it up to us, and I for one plan to hold them to that. :) All-in-all though, a totally killer performance. I *love* all the new songs, this album should be a killer. Derek really seems to add a different "sound". I noticed several times that his signature is firmly implanted on the songs now, and that's a good thing. I already can't wait for the *next* show...... ____http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html This space for rent...No pithy quotes need apply _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:54:56 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2103 Message-ID: Hey guys! Just a clarification. The team of Rudess and Morgenstein that played at Toad's are NOT the same as Jonathan Mover's band "Einstein." The singer for that band got the flu, so Rudess and Morgenstein did the Toad's gig at the last minute. -Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:34:40 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: U2 cover Message-ID: >U2's Red Sky mining I think you mean U2's Red Hill Mining Town (not to be confused with midnight Oil's Blue Sky Mine, U2's Under a Blood Red Sky, or that "Red Sky at Night..." thing :). Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:50:57 -0500 From: Luke To: dtforum <" ytsejam"@ax.com> Subject: 6 Strings Vs Keys Message-ID: Hey guys my name is Lucas Guarino. I'm a Boston University student from NJ. As you probably know I am new to this discussion but have been a DT fan for about a year now. Well enough of that, On to important things. I can't believe that Damon and Bafu are arguing over the superiority of instruments. Each compliments the other when used properly ie any DT cd. Yet to say that one musician is more skilled than another is to say that a poet is more skilled than a novelist or a realist painter more skilled than a sculptor. This is barbaric (why can't we all just get along :) ? ) Each instrument deserves respect. This superiority due to powerchords complex must be dealt with, however. There are guitarists out there who have absolutely no skill and the blind media public enjoys their music. I have never understood why but that is not the issue. It is unfair, however, to say that all guitarists and the instrument itself requires less skill to play because of this. If the mass public rejected these power chord imposters than they would not be successful and would therefore be banished to the poser dimension never to be heard from again. Keyboardists however can take a few synths and some triads and sound decent just like a guitarist with power chords can. Yet the general public is not as hooked on keyboard music (although they should be) as they are on guitar. Therefore, I believe that both instuments are equally difficult and the reason that guitarists are being bashed is due to the mass public acception of half ass poser imposters who should be silenced forever. (as you all will soon learn I cannot spell so I am sorry about any mistakes made) Luke ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:31:12 +0500 From: Andrew Rittner To: YtseJam Subject: Providence! Message-ID: Whooo! This concert kicked my ass SO HARD, I won't be walking right for WEEKS! It ruled... I shouldn't really bother with a setlist, since they've been posted enough (and I'm sure they will continue to be posted), and rest assured, ALL the songs kicked hard... just a few thoughts though: Providence was designed by Satan. When he was drunk. We had no idea where the hell we were (came in from Route 6), and decided to just take a random exit in the downtown area. Turns out we were only a block away! Lucky us... We got lost on the way back too, but that's because no one in the car could hear. The Strand is an awesome place! Lots of room, and good sight lines! I could stand back far enough to avoid the crush, yet see perfectly clearly! Well worth the ticket price. Go to concerts there if you can. It's the first time I ever saw the actual instructions to moshing posted on a door to a club... The backdrop behind the band was neat too, kind of an Awake cover type thing. Very good... I particularly enjoyed watching the opening act's drummers and their pathetic excuses for sets being completely over-shadowed by the looming monolith that was Mike's set... mmm... big... I think I was standing amongst Jammers, but I didn't say anything (duh). Anyway, I was on the right-hand stairs, right next to the sound board and light board. There were two guys with YtseJam t-shirts standing in front of me, slightly down the stairs. We were all annoyed, it seemed, at all the people trying to walk by us all the time. You'd think we were standing... on the stairs.. or something.. I was wearing a UConn hat and my ACoS shirt. They didn't get to play Metropolis. I was pretty pissed. Of course, they didn't go ON until after 11:00. That kind of sucked, but it was worth it! At least I didn't have to stand around outside or anything. People with tix just walked right in. Anyway, that's my little review. I have to go put some ice on my head or something. I haven't been beaten THIS savagely in some time! Later, Andy -- ====================================================================== = Andrew Rittner = Arthur! Monkey out of nowhere!= = email_address_removed = = = http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~adr93001 = -The Tick = ====================================================================== ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2104 **************************