YTSEJAM Digest 2098 Today's Topics: 1) When In Rome-"The Promise" -no DTC by "Baron Von Badass" 2) Steve Vai in Cinci. by "Baron Von Badass" 3) Re: Pianists vs. Guitarists. by "Damon M. Fibraio" 4) IME by "Dale R. Newberry" 5) War Ensemble by Chris Ptacek 6) Re: JGHG, not-a-flame, Superior going Techno, DTIFC present by "Damon M. Fibraio" 7) DT keychains by "Jill M. Lentchner" 8) Re: Keyboardists by "Damon M. Fibraio" 9) Beth Hart band by Jon Parmet 10) dat mutha dat tawk obot yo haare kishna by Randall Braun 11) Re: your mail by "Damon M. Fibraio" 12) Risky Business? by email_address_removed (George Sumschidt) 13) Humor by email_address_removed (George Sumschidt) 14) Re: Black Crowes keyboards by "Brian Hayden" 15) Audiophiles, help me!!! / Queen tribute by The Digital Man 16) YTSEJAM digest 2080 by email_address_removed 17) DT Collection for sale by Olaf Bode 18) bad keyboardists? by RipZero 19) Nuno & Megadeth by email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) 20) Mike Bahr's 'Precious Things' ???? by email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) 21) The Trip, Jeff Tyson by Steve Borzilleri ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:18:15 +0000 From: "Baron Von Badass" To: email_address_removed Subject: When In Rome-"The Promise" -no DTC Message-ID: I totally love this song, although the rest of the album is pretty lame! I was on a retreat a few years back (1992), and it was the theme seong, so I still have a copy of it and listen to it every once in a while! "Some will sell their dreams for small desire, Or lose the race to rats, Get caught in tricking traps , And start to dream of somewhere, To relax their restless flight" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:18:15 +0000 From: "Baron Von Badass" To: email_address_removed Subject: Steve Vai in Cinci. Message-ID: Guys, evn though I totally swear by Eric Johnson, this had to be the most amazing guitar show I've ever seen (including G3). I mean, I saw Adriann Lagg w/ EJ a few weeks ago, and the are both two fave's of mine, but steve Vai just put in 110% into his preformance. I saw a few people w/ DT shirts on (if they are jammers, sorry I didn't say "hi"); I was wearing my Awake Tour shirt (got A LOT of positive comments on it, too). But the guy played over two hours, and the energy level was just outrageous. I've seen too many major concerts of my favorite bands and guitarists before, but this was something that dreams are made of. His instrument is truly an agent to his spirit. . . I don't know too many other forms to interpret the perfirmance. "Some will sell their dreams for small desire, Or lose the race to rats, Get caught in tricking traps , And start to dream of somewhere, To relax their restless flight" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 12:31:20 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Pianists vs. Guitarists. Message-ID: Vince, let me explain my post a little bit. Part of it comes out of frustration with my lack of musical work over the last year. Part of it comes out of listening to a little too much keyboard bashing by the general public as well as musicians. The post, while containing no smilies, was half-hearted, although there were some serious tones. Depending on your synth sound, you can pull off power chords, but try power chords on a straight piano sound and it sounds empty. Distortion is what fills in the sound of power chords. I have been playing keys for 18 years, I think I am pretty good, although I can use lessons to improve myself. I am not Kevin More or Keith Emerson, although I wish I were nearly that good. I hold my own, people tell me I am good, and I know my ability. Problem is that keyboardists don't get much work due to the surplus of alternative bands out there. Besides, in mainstream music, which is what gets all the credit for great music, how many good keyboardists do you hear of? I mean, you hear constantly about Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page and their guitar solos and stuff. When do you hear about a great keyboard solo? Progressive music is the only place, and people don't give prog the respect it deserves. Some of this stuff is close to the level of classical music in composition. You never see people analyze the music of Pearl Jam in this way. Andf I liked PJ's first three albums. So, part of this is my frustration, but it was also meant as good fun. Should've thrown in the smilies, but hey, we're human. P.S. No woman has ever faked it with me, thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:30:18 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: IME Message-ID: Hey, if anyone is going to the I Mother Earth concert in St. Louis this evening (Wed.), I'll be wearing my Rush T4E shirt, probably smoking a stogie. Oh, and if anyone is going, and can give Rip a ride, I'm sure he'd appreciate it (I would, but I have to work until 8, so it'd be pretty tough to do that and get there before the show ends). Cheers. Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:53:27 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: War Ensemble Message-ID: >don't start a flamewar with Damon, you have no chance >in hell to come out a winner. None. Vince, you even did this: Some stubborn self righteos bastards would disagree.... :) >>Why are you "bdeclaring" war? On the same topic, what is "bdeclaring" >>anyway, hmm? >"...and as the famous Ytse-saying goes: >You're being a dick. Well, Mape, as much as this has gotten way out of hand, I'd give the "You're Being a Dick." award to Damon first if he was serious in his last post. That keyboardist supremecy trash is a work of feeble mind. Anyone that cares about MUSIC, and not image or fame doesn't give a shit about what instrument something's coming from... it's about the quality of the sound and composition being created. To say that guitarists are better/worse than anyone is not only completely ignorant and opinion based, but also a waste of time because we all know guitarists are the most talented human beings on the planet (J/K) Make love, not war. Create music, not unrest. Regardless of our dissenting opinions, you guys (And ytsegals too!) all rule. Happy holidays. Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC "Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 12:59:44 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: JGHG, not-a-flame, Superior going Techno, DTIFC present Message-ID: Me? Get upset? When did I ever get upset on the Jam. Hmmmmmm. All right, my sightimpairment might cause me to miss the intended flame of some people, but hey, shit ahppens. Besides, at this moment, if I lost my temper, there'd be a very severe problem in central NJ, enough to make it national news. yes, life is that stressing here. If you had a university that was screwing up your future, you'd feel the same way. But, I will stand by the original post, don't get into a flame war with me. I guarantee, and I think I have the support of the people who know me on this list, you will lose. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:13:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Jill M. Lentchner" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DT keychains Message-ID: Hello all. Passing thought --- Birch Hill --- soon!!!! Anyway, I am all for keychains. If anyone has any ideas, my parents are engravers (as are Malletman and I) and they are REALLY nice people. So....if people have ideas that can be engraved, we can probably get a great price through them. Jill --- Quazel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 13:27:41 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Keyboardists Message-ID: Steve. The guy from the Black Crows actually isn't bad. He does his job, he provides background. But his sounds are cool. And listen to him a little more carefully. While I am not a big fan, Trent Resner has done a lot for keyboardists, although I wonder if the guy can play a keyboard solo besides creating weird sounds. And the guy from Smashing pumpkins? Well, you have a point there. Yes, there are idiots in the world. I know there are crappy keyboard players out there, but if you stack up crappy guitarsits next to crappy keyboardists, the room would be full of more crappy guitarists, listen to top 40 radio for a good list. Yeah, most keyboardists are restricted to background noise and holding out chords. If you want to hear good keysmen, listen to jazz, or progressive rock. And this might make you puke, but Billy Joel and Elton John are damn fine musicians for what they do. And I am sure there are others, but on a hole, outside of progressive music, which gets the shaft anyway, can you name any good keyboardists that are respected in the music world in the same way guitarists are glorified? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:22:17 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: Jam Subject: Beth Hart band Message-ID: I heard Beth Hart band was going to back up DT at the Strand. A co-worker saw them last night at the Roxy in Boston. He said they were pretty good. He labled them 'alternative.' Since I've already considered the source, I'll reserve judgement on that one till tomorrow night :) Let's make some noise tomorrow night! *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:23:27 -0600 From: Randall Braun To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: dat mutha dat tawk obot yo haare kishna Message-ID: >>>>>>>Think about a band like Metallica, and what kind of statement they were trying to make when they, as a group, cut their hair. It's not even a hair thing, what about when Kiss took the makeup off? Did it make any of them any less talented? Of course not,........ IMHO, KISS didn't /doesn't have much talent in the first place, so what does it matter if they shaved their genital regions? Like Beakis & Buttface meet Boozo....... KISS, my A.... RAP is just a form of scatological research Sorry no DT content/comments ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 13:43:46 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: Oh, come on, Mads. When did I ever say that all keyboardists were god and the guitar world sucked. I acknowledge greatness on any instrument. You may ask, who am I to judge greatness? Well, to quote a great Genesis song, "I know what I like, and I like what I know." Maybe my statements were a little too general. But, I stand by my argument. I realize that bafuvai was joking, but he touched a nerve in me at a tough time in my life, and while I already defended my comments five pots ago, I am not backing off this easily. If I had my way, I would be making my comments musically, but unfortunately, I am having that problem right now of finding musicians I can work with who want to stretch their minds beyond alternative music. I mean, you never had to deal with being rejected from a band, not because you couldn't play, but because you couldn't drive. So, cut em a break, OK? I hear all over, keyboards are cheesey. Keyboard, dance music. And how much respect does Keith Emerson get in the non-progressive world? Or Kevin More, or derek or Rick Wakeman? Hell, Steve Vai will piss all over Eric Clapton, and Eric Clapton is a more respected musician. Why? The man can play a good blues solo. Great. I give the man credit. But let's face it, take Clapton out of his element, and he's lost. I think Steve Vai can play the Blues as well as what he does. Mind you, I like Clapton, but why is he more respected than Vai? And this is just in the guitar world. Bring a keyboardist in, and he will never get any respect. I've experienced it myself in my own bands. Guitarists who didn't want to share their spotlight because that's what rock has done for the guitarist. Rock msuci tells the guitarist that he is God and all else should step back and let him be worshipped. along comes Joe synth player and he has been forcedd to be a session player because the guitar is king. Why? Keyboards can do everything guitars can do, well almost. But guitars can't do everything keyboards can do. Granted, we can't do finger tapping well, but let's see you guys hit some of those chords pianists hit. So there are tradeoffs. I can't count how many times I threatened my guitar player that if he didn't turn my volume up so that non-animals like human beings could hear me, I'd leave the bar. All because rock music gave him an ego problem. And I can't even tell you how much it irritated me when another band kicked me out because I didn't fit into the alternative music scene and they wanted to be popular and trendy. So, after 18 years, I amscrewed, while you guitar players always have work. I am just as much a viable musician as anyone else. And I am speaking for other trained keyboardists as well. There are schleps in any instrument, drums, bass, hell most bass players just provide bottom end. How many Geddy Lee's and Fleas are there, really?> Not many. Especially in early rock music. But bass players always will have work because you need that bottom end. Drummers will always have work to keep a beat. Vocalists will always have work, and in that department, we have some real winners. But why do keyboardists have to be expendable? Guitar rock gets boring after a while. How much distortion can one take? OK, I am getting hysterical, so I will stop. Go ahead, accuse me of feeling sorry for myself. Maybe I do. But I want my due, too. I think all musicians should be respected, not just guitar players. Guitar players need to share the spotlight a little. Sorry if you are a non-egomaniac guitar player. I know you exist somewhere, I just think you are in the minority. I have yet to work with non-eogotistical musicians. I can't wait for the day I find you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:00:21 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (George Sumschidt) To: email_address_removed Subject: Risky Business? Message-ID: > 18) TD, not DT > by email_address_removed.ch >Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:21:10 +0100 >From: email_address_removed.ch >To: email_address_removed >Subject: TD, not DT >Message-ID: > >Hi, >Someone was recently mentioning Tangerine Dream a while ago. If i'm right, >they did the sountrack for "Risky Business". I remember the music was real >cool. > >Cheers, >Dave King > Hey all. Jeff Beck did a song called "The Pump" for the movie. Tangerine Dream did some soundtracks, but not for "Risky Business". They did one for a movie featuring James Caan that was incredible. The movie also featured (then unknown actor) James Belushi. The movie is Thief. It is worth a look-see in my book. Later all.... See you at Birch Hill on Saturday, G. _________________________________________ "We don't get much done around here, but DAMN we have a good time!" {G.S. 1996} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:04:41 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (George Sumschidt) To: email_address_removed Subject: Humor Message-ID: Hey all. I know I shouldn't do it, but I'm doing it anyway. If your sense of humor is stunted, then don't bother reading this... > Last year, my friend upgraded his GirlFriend3.1 to GirlFriendPlus1.0 >(marketing name: Fiancee1.0). Recently he upgraded Fiancee1.0 to >Wife1.0 and it's a memory hogger, has taken all his space; and Wife1.0 must >be running before he can do anything. Although he didn't ask for them, >Wife1.0 came with Plug-Ins such as MotherInLaw and BrotherInLaw. > >Some features I'd like to see in the upcoming GirlFriend4.0... > >- A "Don't remind me again" button > >- Minimize button > >- Shutdown feature > >- An install shield feature so that Girlfriend4.0 can be completely >uninstalled if so desired (so you don't lose cache and other objects) > > - "Abort" button (O.K. that one's pretty bad - but had to say it) > >I tried running Girlfriend 2.0 with Girlfriend 1.0 still installed, they >tried using the same I/O port and conflicted. Then I tried to uninstall >Girlfriend 1.0 but it didn't have an uninstall program. I tried to >unstall it by hand, but it put files in my system directory. Another thing >that sucks --in all versions of Girlfriend that I've used is that it is >totally "object oriented" and only supports hardware with gold plated >contacts. > > ***** BUG WARNING ******** >Wife 1.0 has an undocumented bug. If you try to install Mistress 1.1 before >uninstalling Wife 1.0, Wife 1.0 will delete MSMoney files before doing the >uninstall itself. Then Mistress 1.1 will refuse to install, claiming >insufficient resources. Ouch! See you at Birch Hill, George. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 14:04:19 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Black Crowes keyboards Message-ID: > Who-da-Fuck from Black Crows Personally, I think Who-da-Fuck plays a helluva keyboard. Anyone else ever seen them in concert? That was some fuckin' rock and rolllllll, baby! -Brian http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/6521 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:12:45 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: Ytse Jam Subject: Audiophiles, help me!!! / Queen tribute Message-ID: Hey, gang. Dammit, where's Hairball when you need him? Anyway, my CD player has become very temperamental. CDs that have no scratches, no lint, no nothin' have started to skip and even grind to a halt, almost always on track 7 for some reason, though occasionally 6 or 9. What if 6... oh, never mind. These discs, incidentally, work just fine in my other CD players. So, if I buy one of those expensice CD-Player Cleaning Kits, will that help? Is there a cheaper solution, like alcohol and Q-Tips for tape players? And about this new Queen tribute: Is it in stores already? I asked two local music stores today (not in Fellow's Balls, but in VT nonetheless), and they haven't heard a thing about it. Can someone tell me the exact title and the label it's being released on? Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:28:02 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2080 Message-ID: Hey, HOW do you unsubscribe to the list. I am going out of town. write me: email_address_removed thx todd ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 96 15:57:29 EST From: Olaf Bode To: ytsejam Subject: DT Collection for sale Message-ID: To all you DT maniacs : A big DT Collection is for sale now! If you're interested send me a mail and I'll send you a list and all the informations you need. For Sale : Promo CD's, LP's, tapes, videos, CD -Singles and many CD's. (Rare Import CD's from JP and the US!) Videos are in the european PAL / SECAM standard! Sorry for a short message to all the german Jammers : Es lohnt sich, diese Liste hat es in sich ! regards ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:43:35 -0600 From: RipZero To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds Subject: bad keyboardists? Message-ID: > >All I have to say is Trent Resner, [snip of list- RZ] etc. There are just as >many shitty keyboardists who can only make >little sound-effects as shitty guitarists who can only play power chords. whoa now.... trent reznor a bad keyboardist? maybe you dont like his music, but he's clasically trained and went to college on the piano. if you'll look below the surface you may find some depth in the anger of the music. even if not at least respect it! thasall :) ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:26:11 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) To: email_address_removed Subject: Nuno & Megadeth Message-ID: >And are you also saying that Nuno played with Megadeth? >Or just another example of another guitarist? *shrug* No, no, Nuno is not in Megadeth. Bafu (I think that's who brought "Sweating Bullets" up) was just giving another example of a song with the same type of stacatto picking as in Nuno's FotWBB. Megadeth's guitarist extraordinare is Marty Friedman. Dan ---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - email_address_removed / email_address_removed "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +--- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:26:14 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Dan Temmesfeld) To: email_address_removed Subject: Mike Bahr's 'Precious Things' ???? Message-ID: When's it coming out, shipping, whatever? Thanks, Dan ---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - email_address_removed / email_address_removed "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +--- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:41:15 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri To: Dream Thespians Subject: The Trip, Jeff Tyson Message-ID: > From: The Digital Man > Subject: Our 48-hour Dream Theater Road Trip > > Man, what a fucking trip. I just got back home about a half an hour > ago from Friday's show. Why, you ask? Well, it's a long story. Sounds like one hell of a trip, Chris. I'd invite you over for a beer to help you unwind, but I can't keep 'em cold if the power suddenly goes out, so... > Finally, I climbed into a stranger's Jeep, and off we went. "BF is just > up the road," said the driver. I wasn't sure if he meant Bellows Falls, > or Butt Fuck. This line had me whooping out loud, man. I had to cover my face with a pillow so Seattle could stay asleep... "Bring out da gimp..." --Zed "Sell ya guitar." --Chris Merlo ---- > From: email_address_removed (Rick Terry) > Subject: ALS/Jason Becker > > We complain bitterly over the slightest inconveniences which pale > in comparison to the torment of one who is afflicted with such a > terrible wasting disease. Jason helps us to realize that challenges can > be met "head on" under the most adverse conditions. Yeah. Next time my high E-string breaks, I'm just gonna suck it up and face reality. ---- > From: email_address_removed (Rick Terry) > Subject: The liquid courtship Speaking of cool band names... ---- > From: Chris Ptacek > Subject: Becker, T Ride > > His rhythm hand is tight to a weird degree.... I mean, he was hitting > chords like they were one string, and his timing was GREAT. But what > impressed me was his picking and tapping. He had tapping licks that I > believe were 8 finger related, You can hear these things really clearly on the album. In fact, he rams this stuff in your face on the very first track. > and his alternate picking was on the JP/Paul Gilbert level. There isn't much of this on the album. It would help if Tyson would do a SOLO once in a while... Whatever happened with that high school performance (percussion?) of Metropolis? Is that person still on the list? Did I miss an update? Bafu Vai ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 2098 **************************