YTSEJAM Digest 1416 Today's Topics: 1) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/07/96 - 04:34:21" 2) Hey by email_address_removed 3) The Death of Spock by "Ryan Eschauzier '97" 4) Got Antiquities! and.... by Partha Mukhopadhyay 5) SSDD... by "Christopher R. Merlo" 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1415 by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 7) king's x list by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 8) Re: The sounds my ASS makes by "Jonathan Byrne" 9) Re: king's x list by "Jonathan Byrne" 10) Re: Savatage by Nate Bradley 11) Topic by Chris Oates 12) the sound an ass makes by Monty Newberry 13) Bootlegs by Elliott Kim 14) Iced Earth, Savatage, and some thoughts... by Jason Breitweg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 22:33:02 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/07/96 - 04:34:21" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 03:32:55 GMT on 07 Apr 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 23:59:54 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Hey Message-ID: Hey.. you all know love is the first dancing turtle.. now "the turd arrives" in metropolis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 23:06:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL Subject: The Death of Spock Message-ID: Are we all sure that The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun is about The Death of Spock? This seems pretty unlikely. How about Afterlife? That seems a little more Death of Spockish. THANKS. * 2 1 1 2 * 2 1 1 2 * 2 1 1 2 * |%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^| |+-="For once, I'll fight for what I believe in."+-= | "You'll stand alone against everybody for the first time in your life?" ____________"Yes, for the first time in my life!"___________ ---------------------------------------- email_address_removed Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085 Connecticut College ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 23:25:20 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: email_address_removed Subject: Got Antiquities! and.... Message-ID: Weeeellll, first thought: holy shiite phreaking Muslims (not trying to start a religious war here, just a phrase I picked up somewhere), this cover is sooo cool! Great job Scott! i don't know what parchment is supposed feel like, every bit i've seen was locked under glass, but this insert is cool....btw Mike, what happened? Run out of Quotes? About the Disc itself.....well, it plays like an album, Sir Bahr got it rught when he tried for that continuity thang.....1st half is ok, stuff we've heard before....I didn't know that A crack..., and THe mists of evening were those particular pieces, so it's good to finally have a name for 'em......UAGM is one of my LEAST favorite DT songs (flame away, if you must) but that's not our humble disc makers fault, so I won't hold it against the project Don't Look Past Me with James at the helm is alright Steve Stone would have been an interesting vocalist for the band, his take on Metropolis is (IMO) a nice interperetation but...I CAN'T BELIEVE DT OFFERED ARCH THE VOCALIST JOB BASED ON THESE AUDITIONS....he's is really, really WHINY sounding.....you didn't somehow speed the tape up, like the way TLF is on Subcon, did you MIke? ANyway, the Arch takes are really sorta annoying (of course, if he were still on the jam, i prob. wouldn't make this comment) Finally, ACoS:the definitive version, according to Lord Bahr HaHaHaHaHaHaHa, etc, etc and so on and so forth First off, it's CLEAN, no snap crackle and pops hindering this puppy. This song is really hillarious....the music is the same stuff as on Subcon, and I like that better than the new version, so that's cool, but the vocal effects, and the new samples are at points just so incredibly cheesy, i can't make my mind up whether to burst out laughing or just wonder how DT put this together.......at points sounds like the vocals are a refugee from mid-80's pop songs (now i'm being too harsh) Basically, the way this turned out, it would not at all have fit into I&W (of course I say that with 4 years' hindsight, which is always 20/20) Now that I've wasted enough of your time....final score 3.5*/5* (below the 4* AD and WDATU, above 3* Subcon) (if anyone cares) Thanks Mike, another winner in the books.... partha mukhopadhyay "I'm in trouble for the things I haven't got to yet" -me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 23:33:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: Ytse Jam Subject: SSDD... Message-ID: > From: Marc Respass > Subject: Re: The sounds my ASS makes > > Music. > 1. The art of combining tones to form expressive compositions. 2. such > compositions 3. any rhythmic sequence of _pleasing_ sounds. I wholeheartedly disagree with #3. Just because Bob Dylan is unpleasant to listen to ("Laak a rowwa stohhh"), doesn't mean that he didn't make music. ---- > From: Benjamin Brizzell > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1412 > > I wasn't aware that my favorite band had to be DT in order to take part in > the ytsejam. Sorry... Geez, guess that means I'll be leaving, too. I'll stick to the *ugh* NMS. ---- > From: email_address_removed > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1414 > > Hey Kurt ... they can reply cuz they don't get mails packaged like we > do... they get each mail separately and instantly... I get a digest. I say yes to the "Include message?" question, and then simply cut out what I'm not replying to. Or is this "they" and "we" shit some sort of slag on Americans? :) ---- > From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1414 > > >Can't we all just get along? :) > > D-man does his best imitation of Adam Sandler acting as a GAP girl :) Of who acting as a what??? ---- > From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi > Subject: Multiphonic Misc. Miasma > > You may not be able to "fake it" on a piano, but most keyboards have a > Demo button. Tori fakes it on a piano all the time! Oh, you mean fake *playing*. Oh, well that's different, then, isn't it? > >No, but it IS possible to learn guitar without using tab - I should > >know, I'm . . . oh, never mind. > > Tab isn't necessary: learn the musical vernacular: notes, accidentals, > rests, meters, etc. That's not necessary, either. I know most of what I know on guitar just by watching MojoMan's hands move for so many years. (Maybe that's why I sound like shit? :) NOTE: Attention sufferers of humorlessness: If this had *not* been a joke, there would not have been a smiley after it. (Besides, last thing I need is a flame war after our guestbook skirmish. :) > >Can we please go back to the OLD YtseJam? > > Yes, bring back the moderation. Maybe someone could be employed as the > moderator. Imagine, getting paid for filtering 'Jams! * D-Man waves his arms in the air wildly, screaming "I'll do it for money!!!" (I bet someone's going to take that out of context and fling it back at me, but oh well. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ \|/ ____ \|/ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ ,. \`@" email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:02:30 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1415 Message-ID: >for a click sound. The clicks that I have used have been totally >separate from the recorded tracks. They are not the same as a scratch >track which is when the band records a vocal or guitar rhythm for the >purpose of song reference. At mix down time the scratch track is >removed. Normally when you use one, you don't use the other. I hope >that helps! > At last someone explains to me what I wanted to know... my thirst for knowledge has been quenched (for now:) thanks Gandalf >Fender-mediums, eh? I prefer Dunlop Tortex Jazz picks, they're smaller, >and boy, they're pointy! > I tried those, but they're too small... Gator Grips rule!!!!:) |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |in the distance, you faintly hear... | | HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ...and then the song starts. | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:18:23 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: king's x list Message-ID: you know what? I've been on the King's X mailing list for a while, and Ty Tabor, their guitarists, regularly posts on it. Wouldn't it be cool if one of the DT guys posted on the jam (for real)? hint*hint*hint :) ---------------------------------- It's time to say good-bye :( Ernie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:34:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Byrne" To: "YtseJam" Subject: Re: The sounds my ASS makes Message-ID: On 04/06/96 at 14:08:34 Marc Respass said: >Music. >1. The art of combining tones to form expressive compositions. 2. such >compositions 3. any rhythmic sequence of _pleasing_ sounds. Sorry, but I must disagree with #3. There is a lot of atonal kind of music out there that very definitely quilifies under the "music" banner. Consider this. Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" was so "unpleasant" that when it was premiered in Paris, a riot endued! It is now a classic. Just had to jump in there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Easter here again Jonathan Byrne A time for the Blind to see West Virginia University Easter surely now email_address_removed Can all of your hearts be free." -Steve Hogarth,"Easter",Marillion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:40:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Byrne" To: "YtseJam" Subject: Re: king's x list Message-ID: On 04/06/96 at 21:18:12 email_address_removed said: >you know what? I've been on the King's X mailing list for a while, and Ty >Tabor, their guitarists, regularly posts on it. Wouldn't it be cool if one >of the DT guys posted on the jam (for real)? hint*hint*hint :) I agree completely. Marillion's keyboard player, Mark Kelly, is on the Freaks list. He usually just posts to clear things up every once in a while. It's nice to know that the band cares what the list thinks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Easter here again Jonathan Byrne A time for the Blind to see West Virginia University Easter surely now email_address_removed Can all of your hearts be free." -Steve Hogarth,"Easter",Marillion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 23:51:36 -0600 (CST) From: Nate Bradley To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Savatage Message-ID: I am also a big Savatage fan and it is good to see other Savatage fans on the jam. Dead Winter Dead (DWD) is probably one of Savatage's best Cd's. Both Jon Oliva and Zak Stevens sings on the album. Savatage has progressed musically since the early eighties. To answer some of Mark's questions. Al Pitrelli joined Savatage for the DWD album, he had not previously played with Savatage. This is an interesting connection between Savatage and DT ( I may have pointed this out before...) Both Derek Sherinian and Al Pitrelli played for Alice Cooper during the same time. The original line up for Savatage was Jon Oliva - Vocals Criss Oliva - guitar Keith Collins - bass Steve "Doc" Wacholz - drums since then --> (A brief summary ) Johnny Lee Middleton has replaced Keith on the bass in 1985. Andy James was the drummer on the Edge of Thorns tour. Chris Caffery - joined Savatage on second guitar for the recording and tour for Gutter Ballet and has recently return on DWD (and Dr. Butcher) Zachory Stevens became the vocalist on Edge of Thorns. Jeff Platte played drums on the Handful of Rain tour and is the current Drummer. Jeff Plate was in Zak's band Wicked Witch prior to joining Savatage. After Criss's death in 1993 they hired Alex Skolnick (formerly of Testament) to record and tour on Handful of Rain. After tour the parted ways, Alex to pursue a course with his band Exhibit-A. Savatage then auditioned a number of talented guitarists and chose Al Pitrelli. So Mark's question was... who is still part of the orginal line up? I guess the only orginal member left is Jon Oliva. Criss Oliva was the one that died. On Oct. 17, 1993 he was headed to the rock festival "LiveStock" in Zephr Hills, Florida when a drunk driver attempted to pass a semi truck. He ran head on into Criss and Dawn. Criss was killed instantly and Dawn has recovered from her injuries. It was the drunk drivers seventh DUI offense!!! This is still a rough subject with the band, esp Jon. It is still really hard to talk about. Chris's tombstone quotes Believe (off of Streets) "I'll be right there I will never leave All I ask of you is believe" His other question was ..What's Savatage's older material like? I guess it depends how old.... If we go all the way back to the Sirens and The Dungeons Are Calling Era it is quite heavy. Mostly heavy guitar driven tracks almost a death metal style. From there is slowly progresses into what they are today. And they made some great music getting there. Well this is getting too long... sorry for taking up bandwidth but I think it is well worth it. o Savatage is planing to go tour Europe and Japan (May 22 - June 18) A US tour should follow after that. I can post the tour dates but as of yet they are still "tentative". o What to know more Check out the Savatage Fan Homepage at http://www.d.umn.edu/~tsands/savatage/ that is all for now, Nate Bradley email_address_removed http://vision.d.umn.edu/~nbradley/savatage/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:11:59 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: Topic Message-ID: >You wouldn't hear any kids saying, "mom, can I study the ass >instead of the trumpet." :) > No, they usually don't say that until puberty hits. >I've been waiting a long time for someone to bring this up >(since I thought I was wrong), but at the beginning of >"Symbols of Time", a little before the vocals kick in, it >sounds like they're trying something like DT did at the >beginning of "The Mirror". You know, the guitar rythm stays >the same, while the drum rythm changes to make the guitar >sound different? Anyone else notice this? Maybye I'm wrong >(I still can't hear it in the "The Mirror" intro. I know that in several parts the guitar does some cool syncopated, perhaps polyrhythmis parts over the drums. I don't think it's quite the same, but I haven't listened specifically for that. Wow. What a useless response. >so. I have to say, I thought DT was progressive and after them, >i got into Fates Warning which blew my mind as to what >progressive music can be and now I hear Savatage and this makes >DT look like a bunch of wusses. I wish DT would put out songs >like this. Hm. I describe Savatage as "What every wanna-be band would sound like if Prog was mainstream" I think DWD is a good album, and I commend them for their commitment to concept albums, but it hardly puts DT to shame, IMO. It still has an awfully "ordinary" sound to it. >>I think yes. Without the previous music, Mozart wouldn't have written what >>he did write. > >But he didn't particularly study that music... correct me if I'm wrong, but >wasn't Mozart a prodigy who wrote his first concerto when he was like 9 >years old? What, you think he went up to the piano for the first time at age 9 and wrote a concerto? No, he studied from the age of 3 or something. He wrote "Twinkle twinkle little star" when he was 5 or something. Prodigy, yes, but no prodigy happens in a vacuum. I can guarantee you that he studied his Amadeus off when he was younger. Now, it may have looked easy (well, hey, I wasn't there, so I'm guessing) for him to rip through piano pieces while most kids are still mastering sphincter control, but I doubt that he would have done what he did in his life if he DIDN'T spend nearly every waking moment playing something. >Ever heard of multiphonics? While you may not be able to get "chords" on >the saxophone per se, you can get multiple tones. Horn players also have >the ability to use circular breathing. Try translating that to guitar >without the aid of a Sustainac pickup. Do you mean more than one sound at the same time? (To answer, no, I've not heard the term "multiphonic") If you just mean the ability to play different notes, any music teacher will tell you that knowing intervals played melodically and knowing them played chordally are two different skills and knowing one does not equal knowledge of another. >Steve Borzilleri Steve Borzilleri Steve Borzilleri...wow, I just >activated the Space Bridge! I see your 3 Steve Borzilleris and raise you a bafu bafu Ni! Yer bluffin' Dude. >It would be interesting if Dave Wruck was also a "Ytse-Rook", he'd be >called Ytse-Rook Wruck. Speaking of Rook, anyone remember Robotech? >Please contact your local physician immediately, Neil! My name's not Neil, but I contacted my local psychic, or rather I was about to when the phone rang and this voice said "You mis-read the post, dummy!" That ever happen to anyone else before? >>I kinda like the drum tone on I&W. It's sort of wacky! > >Wacky in a good way! I like the way Mike wacks on those them thar drooms. >"Weapons do not shoot" "it's a SWORD, you idiot!" >>Is he gripping it between his thumb & middle? It's a really weird grip... >>maybe that's his secret. > >I think JP grips it with his thumb and pointer finger. For faster >passages, he'll place his middle finger on top of his pointer finger for >reinforcement and accuracy. erm, what, exactly is he gripping???????? Sounds lewd to me. >>With guitar, bass and drums, you can fake it, listen to most of the >>music that's out today, and you will understand how you can get away >>with being a slacking musician. With a piano, you really can't fake it. > >You may not be able to "fake it" on a piano, but most keyboards have a >Demo button. And let's not forget those god-awful consumer-level plastic heaps with the dreaded, spawn of satan "Auto Accompaniment" features. (washes his mouth out with soap after aaying such naughty words) >> Don't make me pull out my secret weapon. Yeah, but what grip will you use on it? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 03:15:48 -0500 From: Monty Newberry To: email_address_removed Subject: the sound an ass makes Message-ID: Hey now, some people might like the sound of an ass crapping. People like Silverchair, don't they? ;) FOr those that might need to understand this subject further, I recommend the children's book "The Gas We Pass" (yes, this is a real book - I saw it in a Natural Wonders store yesterday, right next to "Everybody Poops"). It might just enlighten those who just don't understand :). Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 07:31:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Elliott Kim To: Dream Thespians Subject: Bootlegs Message-ID: I was reading in another forum about another band and the anti-bootleg stance among the fans/subscribers is surprisingly high, whereas on the Jam, everyone's like, "FUCK Yeah! DoE! Subcon! Mike Bahr roolz! etc.." Or so it seems to me at least. I was shocked to find that fans that are die-hard enough to wade through the moderated, but still rather voluminous TNMS would be so opposed to that which separates casual listeners from die-hard fans. Are any Jammers opposed to bootlegs? --=The Cliff's Notes Version of my .signature file=-- Elliott Kim [Insert ASCII doodle here] Florida International University email_address_removed email_address_removed [Insert profound quote here] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 09:08:59 -0500 From: Jason Breitweg To: email_address_removed Subject: Iced Earth, Savatage, and some thoughts... Message-ID: Hi All, > i just borrowed a cd from my bud, a band called iced earth. its > incredible stuff, these guys are like, progressive death metal or > somethin' any jammers into harder music should check this out. on > their 95 album, Burn Offerings, they have a song thats like 17 minutes, > its kind of like a death metal ACoS, its goes through the seven planes > of hell instead of the four seasons, very cool......... On my first read of this post I thought it said he borrowed the disc from his dad *chuckle*. Now I have a cool dad but even he doesn't listen to Iced Earth *laugh*. I was wondering when someone might mention Iced Earth. I have been into this band for about a year now. They have two releases before "Burnt Offerings", those being "Iced Earth" and "Stormrider". Personally I think "BO" is the best (no pun intended) but the others are worth getting. Iced Earth will have a new disc out this summer titled "Saga". I must admit that I didn't see DT in the liner notes. But Iced Earth always mentions Blind Guardian. These two bands are like brothers in metal, they always put each other in the liner notes and what silly little sayings. And one to other bands..... > I just got Savatage's Dead Winter Dead...HOLY > SHIIIIIIIIIITTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....DAMN I love this cd, > it's my second listen through. It's like Classical combined with > metal and other GREAT stuff inbetween. Ah another band I have been into for a long time. All of their discs are worth getting. Except maybe "Power of the Night" and "Fight for the Rock". > I noticed something on the line-up, Al Pitrelli, who is a wicked > guitarist and has played with Alice Cooper for years, did he > just join them? Who is part of the origonal line up...I think > zak steven's isand the drummer, if anyone can tell me, please do > so...... Pitrelli was also with a band named Widowmaker (with Dee Snider from Twisted Sister). I am still not sure if he is a permanent member of Savatage yet or not. Zak is not a part of the original line up, the only original member left is the bas player (and I guess Jon Oliva). You should check out the Savatage web site (more on that later). > I also love the concept behind the album, the idea of the stone > gargoyle trying to make sence and all that. One last thing, > Chris Olivia was the one who was killed correct? I saw a tribute > album to him, I can't remember which one died, if it was either > Chris or John but has anyone heard this album and is it worth > getting? If you like concept discs get ahold of "Streets" by Savatage. It is a lot better that "DWD" IMHO. And yeah Chris is the one that died and the tribute album is live stuff from the "Gutter Ballet" tour and is quite good I think. The Japanese version is called "Final Bell" and the German version is called "Ghost in the Ruins". both have the same track listing though so I would go for the German version. Oh as a shameless plug if anyone wants to find cool links to Iced Earth and Savatage plus a shit load of other prog/power metal bands (I suggest Blind Guardian very highly) please check out my web site at: http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe and tell me what you think. All the bands listed there are ones I listen to so feel free to ask me about them. Oh and for all you German jammers Savatage, Iced Earth, Rage, The Gathering, Nevermore and Tiamat (plus some others I think) are going to do some open air concerts this summer in Deutschland. Me and four friends (hello Ties *grin*) will be at the Berlin show, if anyone cares. Just had a couple of random thoughts: In Japan do they call DT The John Myung Project *chuckle*? When talking about the band Superior (who everyone should check out because they kick ass!) to friends does the conversation go like this? Who is this? Superior. Yeah, I know the are pretty good, but who is this? Superior. Ahhhhhhhh (friend runs off screaming) Jason (J-Man on IRC) +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason T Breitweg (email_address_removed) | | Ich bin ein Dream Theaterfan | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1416 **************************