YTSEJAM Digest 1396 Today's Topics: 1) The natives are restless by email_address_removed 2) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/02/96 - 04:19:39" 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1395 by Jeffrey David Olson 4) Re: What is a musician? by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 5) Being a Musician by Chris Oates 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1393 by Dennis 7) Brian DreamNDay by "Ryan Eschauzier '97" 8) Re: steve digiorgio by Benjamin Brizzell 9) Metropolis by Steve Borzilleri 10) Producers, I&W, and Firehouse... by email_address_removed 11) Re: What is a musician? by Elliott Kim 12) Howard Stern by Kevin Rios 13) ANGRA & Jennifer Batten by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 14) Chopin by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 15) chompers by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 16) All about Bafu and the almighty bass solo from hell by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 17) Congratulations all!!!! by email_address_removed (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) 18) Re:get rich quick by Mason Pokladnik 19) Re: Galactic Cowboys So Cal Show by Dave Fernquist ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 21:07:17 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: The natives are restless Message-ID: Date sent: 1-APR-1996 20:52:16 Well, I see I got some of you to use your brains for a change. Some didn't like doing that, I see. First I'd like to address the music reading thing - no, you're not a musician if you can't read music or don't know any theory. Then you are one who plays a musical instrument. If you're content with that, so be it. Marc - I would like to know why you feel learning more than one instrument takes away from your skill at your usual weapon of choice. I personally would rather have working knowledge of several instruments than be a virtuoso on only one. Don't you think learning several instruments would enhance one's musicianship and compositional skills? Bafu, Bafu, Bafu, where do I start? I can't believe you had so much to say. I personally believe that we'd still be in the times of Gregorian chant (ugh) and simple polyphonic music if it wasn't for those of us who actually read. Obviously you don't have a problem with church and state being one. The church controlling music almost destroyed Western Art Music as we know it. And what's wrong with knowing music history, even to the beginnings of jazz? Can knowledge of music really do harm? Of course not, but obviously you don't want to be a very well-rounded person. And don't get the impression that I'm a rich bitch just because I'm a college student. Dignified White Trash, I like to call myself. You people don't know how I grew up. You don't know my bank account balance. Did you ever hear of student loans, grants, and work study? They help the lower middle class like me get a fucking education. Comprenden? That is all. ________________________________________________________________________________ Debbie Seeger University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh email_address_removed Music Major (Recording Technology Emphasis) ________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 22:18:21 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/02/96 - 04:19:39" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 03:18:15 GMT on 02 Apr 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:28:30 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey David Olson To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1395 Message-ID: I live about 30 min's from the nearest farm here in Iowa, I think I'll take a boom box along with a mix tape of some DT, and play it for the local bovine, to see what the reaction will be. Wagers anyone? Will I: a) get no response at all? b) witness a miracle at the heard headbang to the rippin classical solo in Erotomania? c) Have the Head-Cow explain what music is? d) Have the Head-Cow show me how to spell my name using the circle of fiths? e) Nothing until I get home and see that I have a Digital Post Card from above said, Head-Cow? or g) Get flammed for forgetting the letter "f"? Phuquin A I'm bored :) Sinista ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 96 19:28:28 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: What is a musician? Message-ID: <9604020328.AA08780@tengs1> > From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi > > > 2. LEARN THE LANGUAGE. This includes knowing what all the dots, lines, > > and other symbols, as well as the jargon, stand for. I know I'll start to > > piss a whole lot of you off right now. So what. Learn to read them and > > write them on paper (the Encore notation program will do as well!) > > Yes! I'll second the motion...Call to question...all those in favor > raise their right hand...all opposed...the motion passes! I'm a guitar > and bass player, and it perplexes me how many players today rely on > tablature. Sometimes, when I jam with other people, I'll say, "Let's play > a II-V-I progression", and they'll go, "huh?" "What are the numbers for > that, man?" I think tab is good for starting players, but so few > guitarists can actually _read_ music. Interestingly, I can still read music, though I don't play any instruments these days (used to play baritone, and then slide trombone). Sometimes, I'll watch my friend's [7 yrs. old] daughter play the piano and, following along reading the music, I'll tell her she's playing it wrong. Then she gets pissed off at me, and I'll hum what it should be. Of course, being 7, she still doesn't believe me !>)> Zach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:54:01 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: Being a Musician Message-ID: I agree with some points: HAVE THE DRIVE: Yep, yer not a musician unless you have a cool car. LEARN THE LANGUAGE: "I iz a myoozeeshun!" -- yer never gonna get any cute girls (or guys, depending on your gender/preference) if you speak like this. :) But seriously ... I agree with Deb. I think that the non-scholars on this list, not being scholars, have grossly misinterpreted her post. I have to go, so I can't elaborate right now (There's not enough room in this margin for a fill proof) but one point I want to address. Bafu said that when he creates he hopes to "forget" any learning and just be. I say no. The ideal is to have the technique down so well that you don't need to think about it. You _transcend_ (not forget) about technique when you are a good player. And a last word. No one who has _ever_ studued music has _ever_ said that it hurt their ability to be a musician. At least, as far as I know. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:56:45 -0600 (CST) From: Dennis To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1393 Message-ID: I'm sorry if this goes out on the list, but if anyone can tell me how to unsubscribe from this list i'd be eternally greatful. I've never heard Dream Theater, but I agree that Oasis is worse than death. thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:24:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL Subject: Brian DreamNDay Message-ID: 12 posts in a jam is entirely fucking ridiculous!! I know you're proud that you post all the time, but when your posts are only put up seconds apart from eachother, it is a little extreme! I am interested to know how old you are, because it seems that the "contest" you seem to be having with yourself to see how many times you can post is extremely immature. If you think your posts are interesting enough to have 12 in one jam, you are fooling yourself, because you like your posts a lot better than I do. You are making yourself look foolish, so have a little self respect. Be seeing you..... 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * *{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}* "For once, I'll fight for what I believe in." "You'll stand alone against everybody for the first time in your life?" "Yes, for the first time in my life!" *<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>* email_address_removed Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085 Connecticut College ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:23:16 -0500 (EST) From: Benjamin Brizzell To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: steve digiorgio Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Matt Rosin wrote: > someone mentioned steve digiorgio's work on bass with death. he was with > death for the "human" and "individual thought patterns" albums. > impressive stuff. his main band (which, from what i hear, he has since > left), sadus, is definitely a band to check out if you want to hear some > impressive bass work, especially the "a vision of misery" album. one of > the few death metal bassists to use a fretless, and this man can pull > sounds and textures out of a bass i never knew were possible (granted, > i'm a synth player, but great, skilled musicians are great, skilled > musicians nonetheless). Dude, you should check out Steve DiGiorgio's jazz band, Dark Hall. It has the ex-guitarist from Autopsy, a flutist, and some other cool instrument, I can't remember. Write to Steve and ask him about it. He's a real nice guy! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Ben Brizzell | "Flee the icy Lucifer. | | e-mail address: | Oh, he's an awful fellow! | | email_address_removed | What a mistake! | | Individual Studies | I didn't take a feather from his pillow." | | Sage Junior College | - JETHRO TULL | | of Albany | "A Passion Play" | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Check out my band, ANACHRONISM's, new home page at | | http://fire.camp.clarkson.edu/~rappazmc/pump.html | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:31:12 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri To: Dream Thespians Subject: Metropolis Message-ID: > From: Michael Bahr > Subject: Tab for Metropolis tapping part > > Bryce, you were close, but not quite. Here's the tab from that bass > tapping part as Myung plays it. They are all 16th notes except the two > that I jam together like this "99" those are 32nd notes. > > ------11----------------11---------- > --4--------4--99----4--------4-99--- > ----9----9------9-----9----9------9- > 2-----------------2----------------- That 9-11-9 right-handed part really looks like what Myung does whenever I've seen him do this, so I'd have to vote for this tab for whomever's is more correct. I'm just going by what I hear, and I don't hear that 11 in there. I only hear two octaves. But watching my hands instantly reminded me of the live Myung every time he rips this part, whereas the tab I wrote out didn't involve the right hand going as high up the neck as Myung always does. My tab also didn't have that flutter-tap shown here that I always see Myung's right hand oddly jumping around on. > If they ever release the Myung instructional video here in the > States, then we'll all have the tab _and_ the video demonstration of > how. So then this tab is from Myung himself? Can't argue with that... Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:40:56 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Producers, I&W, and Firehouse... Message-ID: #1) A Record Producer has NOTHING to do with the photo style of a band or an artist's released work. A Producer's job is to guide the band musically, create a strong finished recorded with the tape the engineer has recorded. Don't start blaming Blaming David Prater for the hair on I&W. #2) What still kicks me in the ass is the FACT that almost all of you on this list became Dream Theater fans AFTER I&W was released (Including myself). (**I dont wanna hear the 5% that were fans during WDADU, you are a minority...including you Gandalf**) I'm not asking you to not hate David Prater or like him. The fact remains that David Prater is an industry that has a great deal of good and bad recordings under his belt. Just simply respect the work he's trying to get across...Remember, almost all of you enjoy I&W, so Prater did something right... #3) How can you judge a producer based on the reputations of his clients. The lawyer that defends a murderer may not be a bad lawyer, in fact he may be an excellent one. Just because his client is undesireable, that doesn't invalidate his work. Unfortunately, time and time again it seems like way to many people are jumping before thinking on the Jam. Don't bash someone without thinking out the reason why....not because it's hip to say "David Prater sucks because he did Firehouse!" MojoMan has spoken. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:43:11 -0500 (EST) From: Elliott Kim To: Dream Thespians Subject: Re: What is a musician? Message-ID: Ooh. I just *have to* add my $0.02 to this one... Well, most of that $0.02 was already posted here several jams ago (earlier today) by a certain Ms. Debbie Seeger (herein referred to as DJS). But I've got a little more to say, so :P. I agree with her inasmuch as one should strive to learn everything you can about that which you love, whatever it is. It's ironic how DJS has become flame bait for some people, while someone who gets up on a soapbox and says that an engineer should learn whatever he/she can about engineering isn't going to be shot down at all. I *think* part of what DJS was saying was that if you choose to pursue music as a career, it is no different than any other professional pursuit. You need to know your shit, regardless of what field you go into. Yeah yeah.. I know. "But doesn't that stifle your creativity?" Of course not! Any of you aspiring authors out there... wouldn't you agree that your writing got better as your vocabulary grew? One last thing. When I was a little kid, when multi-syllabic words were still a problem, I used to get the words "musician" and "magician" mixed up. Now I'm thinking, "gee, maybe I wasn't confused." --=The Cliff's Notes Version of my .signature file=-- Elliott Kim [Insert ASCII doodle here] Florida International University email_address_removed email_address_removed [Insert profound quote here] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:25:55 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Rios To: email_address_removed Subject: Howard Stern Message-ID: Somebody wrote about Howard using The Mirror on his show and thought it would be a good idea to ask him for help. Well, a friend of mine heard him go thru the entire Awake album and rip it apart! I don't think you'll get much help from him. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:36:15 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: ANGRA & Jennifer Batten Message-ID: >And to last with a non DT content, try "Holy land", the new album of ANGRA. >Iy is really fantastic!!! > Does that have a song called 'Carry On' on it? I saw the video on MTV and it kicked major fanny.. > I just wanted to tell everyone to check out Jennifer Batten if you >haven't. I went to a clinic she did here in Mexico and let me tell you , she She came to Panama a few weeks ago... did you buy the CD? Her version of 'The Flight of the Bumblebee' is astonishing!.. |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |in the distance, you faintly hear... | | HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ...and then the song starts. | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:36:24 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: Chopin Message-ID: >Was it the Revolutionary Etude? If it was, then I'm astounded by Petrucci's >speed, accuracy, and general excellency. (I play piano too, so pretty much >ANY Chopin he plays on guitar is mind boggling.) > I think it's one w/ 'Chromatic' in the title, or was it that it's very chromatic? all i know for sure is that he's teaching it in his Guitar World Column... |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |in the distance, you faintly hear... | | HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ...and then the song starts. | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:36:31 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: chompers Message-ID: >Damn brilliant post. I myself prefer the "chomper" technique. The first >part involves moving the pick to your mouth, biting down with your teeth >(if you don't have teeth already, they're kind of expensive so you might >want to stop reading now), and holding the pick there while you slap and >tap. The second part involves moving your hand up to your mouth, grabbing >the pick, releasing with the teeth, and contining to speed-pick whatever >you were previously doing. This also works with guitar, which is where I >originally started doing it. (BTW, it works in live situations, too!) > There is only one reason why I don't like using this incredibly complex technique... actually there's two: 1) the pick get's all mucky w/ saliva and ends up slipping from my hand. 2) I always end up taking the pick at a weird angle, and goof a round awhile until I finally accomodate right between my fingers... >>Hey I just saw Elizabeth Berkely on 'Step by Step'... was she the chic that >>used to be in 'Saved By the Bell' wow how ironic... from high-school brat >>to lap-dancer... > >Maybe in PANAMA, but we call it Showgirls in ARKVILLE! I'm talking way b4 Showgirls... You remember don't you, Saved by the Bell? that really stupid TV programs which, as most of its type, make a totally inaccurate representation of high school... she was the one w/ the long red curly hair... |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |in the distance, you faintly hear... | | HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ...and then the song starts. | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:36:45 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: All about Bafu and the almighty bass solo from hell Message-ID: >I'm not saying theory has no place or "makes music un-fun," of course it's >good to know to get a running start on how to "play music." But if I were >to write music, or solo during a live performance, the LAST thing I'd do >is check myself to see how much of Obi Wan's training I remember. Creation >isn't about keeping one eye on your fretboard and the other on a >textboook. Hell, turn off your mind altogether if the only way you can >create is by referring to a manual. Bafu, Bafu, Bafu... you got it all wrong... when people learn theory and say things like, I'm gonna play a flat 9th over the phrygian-diminished scale of D, they're not thinking in terms of rules and books... it's just that they're familiar w/ the sounds in they're heads... they know how all those weird chords sound and what effect they'll have on the music... so basically the 'follow you're ear' principle is still there, just that they have a wider knowledge, and know all the names.... About the Metropolis Part1 bass part... of all the descriptions of it I've seen, none has been similiar to how my bass player does it... he does a weird cross tapping thing(i.e. his right hand is tapping in the lower frets and the left on the higher ones)... anybody think this could be write? I can ask him to transcribe it for me to see what you bass players think... |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |in the distance, you faintly hear... | | HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ...and then the song starts. | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 00:51:21 EST From: email_address_removed (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) To: email_address_removed Subject: Congratulations all!!!! Message-ID: This has to be new record, 8 jams in a 24 hour period. Jeez, don't you guys and girls work or go to school or do anything except look at you computers all day? Kenny Myung is supposed to let me know whom the producer will be on the next album by Friday. I'll post as soon as I hear it from him. ( DTC )Peter Collins is doing the Rush album period !!! That is why it's not out yet. They had to wait for him. Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:08:07 -0600 (CST) From: Mason Pokladnik To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:get rich quick Message-ID: OK I propose that we firebomb the email address of the next person who sends a "get rich quick scheme to the list. It's very simple if enough of us send enough mail the server he/she is on will close the account or just won't accept anymore messages until all the flames are cleared out. then you do it all over again just to harass them. Cattle Mutilation -don't make a movie without it! ------------------------------------ -Mason Pokladnik - email_address_removed - -http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~fmp8157- ------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 02 Apr 96 01:01:45 EST From: Dave Fernquist To: "INTERNET:email_address_removed" Subject: Re: Galactic Cowboys So Cal Show Message-ID: Any Jammers going to the show this friday night at the Troubador? They should blow that tiny little club apart. I'll be wearing my Ytsejammer shirt if it gets here in time (Trey, has it been sent?). If not, look for a group of six people suckin' down the Heinekens! What a way to spend good friday. DFern ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1396 **************************