YTSEJAM Digest 1380 Today's Topics: 1) snare drums by email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) 2) Re: Need fast Cash? Here it is! by Dave Caris 3) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/29/96 - 15:05:57" 4) White Lion by Pat Daugherty 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1379 by John Mastin 6) Chain Letter by email_address_removed (Thrak) 7) WTB: threshold "psychedelicatessen" (NDTC) by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" 8) orchestras and Vai (Steve Vai that is) by email_address_removed (RipZero ) 9) Oh, dear GOD by Michael Bahr 10) CD Library by Mike Backof 11) Like, stuff and stuff... by Pat Griffin 12) Orchestras. by Scotch 13) Fingerstyle and Megadeth by Mark Smeets ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:41:13 +0100 (MEZ) From: email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list) Subject: snare drums Message-ID: Hi! Jonathan Tischio wrote: >I really think Mike's sound would be greatly improved by using an even >larger snare than the normal 5.5" to 6.5" size. So much of his playing No, I think this more precise sound fits well to his drumming. If he'd have a BIG snare sound (you know, this AOR-WHAM!), it would sound unbelievable muddy. Still like Awake best, it's real, precise, and had this bit reverb that made it sound bigger. Scott wrote about the snare sounds: ..no, I won't quote that, you're just absolutely right! Good news for Prater-haters: John and Mike confirmed, that they won't work with Prater anymore. Basically it was the record company's idea to give Prater another chance... Steffen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:54:31 -0500 From: Dave Caris To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed, email_address_removed, Subject: Re: Need fast Cash? Here it is! Message-ID: OK guys, read the forwarded private message. It could make you a very happy person. This is not a typical get rich quick scheme. Using the brain that some people question me having (g), I have determined that this works if you play by the rules. No matter what, you will make some profit, considering that the total outlay is only $6.60 (5 $1 bills and 5 $0.32 stamps). Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take two minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make some>serious cash in a hurry???" , or been in serious debt, ready to do almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those bill collectors. So grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass of your favorite beverage, get comfortable and listen to this interesting, exciting find! Let me start by saying that I FINALLY FOUND IT! That's right! I found it! And I HATE GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES!! I hate those schemes like multi-level marketing, mail-order schemes, envelope stuffing scams, 900 number scams... the list goes on forever. I have tried every darn get rich quick scheme out there over the past 12 years. I somehow got>on mailing lists for people looking to make money (more like 'desperate stupid people who will try anything for money!'). Well, when I was a teenager, these claims to 'get me rich quick' sounded irresistible! I would shell out $14.95 here, $29.95 there, $24.95 here, and another $49.95 there. I had maxed out my new Circuit City Card AND my Visa...I was desperate for money!! So, I gave them all a chance but failed at every one of them! Maybe they worked for some people, but not for me. Eventually, I just tossed that JUNK MAIL in the trash when I got the mail. I recognized it right away. I can smell a money scam from a mile away these days, SO I THOUGHT.... I thought I could sniff out a scam easily. WAS I WRONG!! ....I LOVE THE INTERNET!!! I was scanning thru a NEWSGROUP and saw an article stating to GET CASH FAST!! I thought..."Here on the Internet?? Well, I'll just have to see what schemes could possibly be on the internet." The article described a way to MAIL A ONE DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY FIVE PEOPLE AND MAKE $50, 0000 IN CASH WITHIN 4 WEEKS! Well, the more I thought about it, the more I became very curious. Why? Because of the way it worked AND BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY COST ME FIVE DOLLARS (AND FIVE STAMPS), THAT'S ALL I EVER PAY....EVER!! Ok, so the $50,000 in cash was maybe an tough amount to reach, but it was possible. I knew that I could at least get a return of $1,000 or so. So I did it!! As per the instructions in the article, I mailed out ('snail mail' for you e-mail fanatics) a single dollar bill to each of the five people on the list that was contained in the article. I included a small note, with the dollar, that stated "Please Add Me To Your List." I then removed the first position name of the five names listed and moved everyone up one position, and I put my name in position five of the list. This is how the money starts rolling in! I then took this revised article now with my name on the list and REPOSTED IT ON AS MANY NEWSGROUPS AND LOCAL BULLETIN BOARD MESSAGE AREAS THAT I KNEW. I then waited to watch the money come in...prepared to maybe receive about $1000 to $1500 in cash or so.... But what a welcome surprise when those envelopes kept coming in!!! I knew what they were as soon as I saw the return addresses from people all over the world -Most from the U.S., but some from Canada, even some from Australia! I tell you, THAT WAS EXCITING!! So how much did I get in total return? $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I received a total of $23,343!!! I couldn't believe it!! I now have a brand new black Acura Integra to speak for, due to this!! Now after almost 8 months, I am ready to do it again!!! So maybe it was possible to get $50,000 in cash, I don't know, but IT COMPLETELY DEPENDS ON YOU, THE INDIVIDUAL! You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of! The more postings you achieve will determine how much cash will arrive in your very own mailbox!! It's just too easy to pass up!!! Let's review the reasons why you should do this: The only cost factors are for the five stamps, the 5 envelopes and the 5 one dollar bills that you send out to the listed names by snail mail (US Postal Service Mail). Then just simply repost the article (WITH YOUR NAME ADDED) to all the newsgroups and local BBS's you can. Then sit back and, (ironically), enjoy walking (you can run if you like! :o ) down your driveway to your mailbox and scoop up your rewards!! We all have five dollars to put into such an easy effortless investment with SPECTACULAR REALISTIC RETURNS OF $15,000 to $25,000 in about 3-5 weeks! So HOLD OFF ON THOSE LOTTERY NUMBERS FOR TODAY, EAT AT HOME TONIGHT INSTEAD OF TAKEOUT FROM McDONALDS AND INVEST FIVE DOLLARS IN THIS AMAZING MONEY MAKING SYSTEM NOW!!! YOU CAN'T LOSE!! So how do you do it exactly, you ask? I have carefully provided the most detailed, yet straightforward instructions on how to easily get this underway and get your cash on its way. SO, ARE YOU READY TO MAKE SOME CASH!!!?? HERE WE GO!!! *** THE LIST OF NAMES IS AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE. *** OK, Read this carefully. Get a printout of this information, if you like, so you can easily refer to it as often as needed. INSTRUCTIONS: 1. Take a sheet of paper and write on it the following: "Please add my name to your list". This creates a service out of this money making system and thus making it completely legal. You are not just randomly sending a dollar to someone, you are paying one dollar for a legitimate service. Make sure you include your name and address. I assure you that, again, this is completely legal! For a neat little twist, also write what slot their name was in: "You were in slot 3", Just to add a little fun! This is all about having fun and making money at the same time! 2. Now fold this sheet of paper around a dollar bill ,(no checks or money orders), and put them into an envelope and send it on its way to the five people listed. The folding of the paper around the bill will insure its arrival to its recipient. THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT!! 3. Now listen carefully, here's where you get YOUR MONEY COMING TO YOUR MAILBOX. Look at the list of five people; remove the first name from position one and move everyone on the list up slot one on the list. Position 2 name will now move to the position 1 slot , position 3 will now become position 2, 4 will be 3, 5 will be 4. Now put your name, address, zipcode AND COUNTRY in position 5, the bottom position on the list. 4. Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local bulletin boards' message areas & file section as possible. Give a catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!! Such as: "NEED FAST CASH?, HERE IT IS!" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF YOUR DEBTS??", etc. And the more uploads, the more money you will make, and of course, the more money the others on the list will make too. LET'S ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER BY BEING HONEST AND BY PUTTING FORTH 120 PERCENT INTO THIS PROFITABLE & AMAZING SYSTEM!!! You'll reap the benefits, believe me!!! Set a goal for the number of total uploads you'll post, such as 15-20 postings or more! Always have a goal in mind!!! If you can UUE encode the file when uploading, that will make it easier for the people to receive it and have it downloaded to their hard drive. That way they get a copy of the article right on their computer without hassles of viewing and then saving the article from the File menu. Don't alter the file type, leave it as an MS-DOS Text file. The best test is to be able to view this file using Microsoft's Notepad for Windows 3.x or WordPad for Windows '95. If the margins look right without making the screen slide left or right when at the ends of the sentences, you're in business! 5. If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS, or "POST" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file, tell them who your Internet provider is and PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE GLAD TO HELP. I would try to describe how to do it but there are simply too many internet software packages with slightly different yet relatively simple ways to post or upload a file. Just ask for help or look in the help section for 'posting'. I do know that for GNN, you simply select 'POST' then enter a catchy description under the subject box, choose 'ATTACH', selecting 'UUE' and NOT 'TXT', then choose 'Browse' to go look for the file. Find your text file CASH.TXT and click on it and choose 'OK'. Place a one line statement in the main body section of the message post screen. Something like "Download this to read how to get cash arriving in your mailbox with no paybacks!" or whatever. Just make sure it represents its true feasibility, NOT something like..."Get one million dollars flooding in your mailbox in two days!" You'll never get ANY responses! 6. And this is the step I like. JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE CASH IS ON ITS THE WAY!! Expect to see a little money start to trickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3 & 4, THE MONEY STORM WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it out of the mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway) when you realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!! 7. So go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life (or the one you want in your life) a gift they'll never forget. ENJOY LIFE! 8. Now when you get low on this money supply, simply re-activate this file again; Reposting it in the old places where you originally posted and possibly some new places you now know of. Don't ever lose this file, always keep a copy at your reach for when you ever need cash. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN CASH IS NEEDED! 9. (This step added by Charles Reiley). Hello, This is exciting isn't it?! While I'm on the list, just add a note saying "Please include extra money tips" with your name & E-MAIL address, and I will (FOR FREE) send you some neat methods to increase the money you will receive with this plan. Why?... Why not? I'm not a selfish jerk...I like helping out others. E-mail just makes it a touch easier and cheaper, too! After I drop off the list, I can no longer offer you this advice, obviously, but maybe someone else who gets my tips will offer and simply replace my name on this step number 9. Good luck and give this plan your all, it will definitely pay off! Like Mike said, HAVE FUN WITH IT!!! ************************************************************ *************** ************************************************************ *************** THE NAMES LIST THE NAMES LIST THE NAMES LIST ************************************************************ *************** HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL!!! 1. Charles Reiley 1541 Cedar Bluff Trail Marietta, GA 30062 2. Paul Dittrich 1509 Trigg Lane Wichita Falls, TX 76306 3. George Juniel 5000 Western Ave. #2100 Knoxville. TN 37921 USA 4. Jon Heifetz 21 Raemont Rd. Granite Springs, NY 10527. 5. Andrew Henry 321 Oak Hall 3000 Ivyside Drive Altoona PA, 16601 USA ************************************************************ *************** NOTE: Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you a dollar and always keep an eye on the local postings of this file...Just to make sure that everyone is playing the game fairly. You know where your name should be..... *** AGAIN, HONESTY IS THE BEST THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US ON THIS PLAN. -Mike Dotson, Boulder, CO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:06:41 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/29/96 - 15:05:57" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 15:04:37 GMT on 29 Mar 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:46:03 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: White Lion Message-ID: To whoever wanted to know. White Lion broke up a few years ago. Mike Tramp (the vocalist) is/was in a band call Freak of Nature who have 2 albums that only available via import. I have no clue how they sound. **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:51:26 -0600 (CST) From: John Mastin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1379 Message-ID: >>Modjeska!!! Oh man, that reminds me... this one's for all you YJLHBH >>(did I abbreviate that right? Hairball? Anyone?) members... SATCH SHAVED >>HIS HEAD!!!!! > >NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Nooo is right! Wow, there are less and less of us now! I saw an interview in which all four in Metallica had their hair cut short. Yes, you did abbrievate right, well, close! Johnny Motown, one of the last surviving members of the YJLHB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:16:30 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Thrak) To: email_address_removed Subject: Chain Letter Message-ID: Sorry guys, Didn't know how stupid I was being when I posted that shit...please forgive me (I sound like Bryan Adams...(puke)). Anyways, Bafu...loved that last post you had...about ER...you had me laughing...funny shit. ABout the Drum Triggers...personally (I'm a drummer) I don't like them, although sometimes you can make some neat sounds. Maybe my opinion will change later, but for now I just feel that anything natural is the best sound. Does anyone know if DT plans on EVER coming to Madison, WI?! I swear I'm gonna go nuts if I never see these guys! l8r. Thrak ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:14:00 -500 (EST) From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" To: email_address_removed Subject: WTB: threshold "psychedelicatessen" (NDTC) Message-ID: Sorry for the posting of this to this group, but I figured you guys would be the ones who could help me. Does anyone have this aforementioned CD, and would be willing to sell it for a reasonable price? I heard that it was released in the US in Feb (from the NEW AND UPCOMING RELEASES List), but I can't locate it anywhere!! Please email me, Dan Temmesfeld email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:43:02 -0800 From: email_address_removed (RipZero ) To: email_address_removed Subject: orchestras and Vai (Steve Vai that is) Message-ID: >Then why don't you listen to Extreme? These little funky bits on TTT >were cool, but I don't want DT to water their unique band sound with >an orchestra. I love them for being a tight playing band of five >excellent performers. Listen to the cheesy strings on Nothing Else >Matters. Enough said. I cant remember which member of GnR said it, although i think it was Slash, said how much he thought some of the Illusions songs were ruined with all the orchestra they threw in. November Rain became a whole other song, i'd kinda like to hear that without all the strings, it'd probably sound pretty cool. And a whole archestra definately does break up the tight band thing. But i also think it can be done right and sound reeallly cool, but you have to find someone who could do it right, which is slim, and most likely end up with something not too hot. Didnt Steve Vai plan to play with an orchestra for a Frank Zappa tribute thing or somethin'? Did he ever get around to doing it? I think that'd be pretty cool because Vai pretty much works on his own anyway, and a guitar soloing over an orchestra would sound pretty bitchin'. And i also recall an interview around the time ALS came out where he said his next album would be fall 9... anyways i saw him live last summer and he sang a little, hes not that bad a vocalist! He blows Satch (who's bald now?!?!) out of the sky when it comes to singing. Steve was also the first to get on the 7 string. It was kinda funny because Ibanez released it thinking all the metal-heads would go nuts, but it was all the death metal guys who bought them, Morbid Angel and Korn use them, as well as others, and of course Johnny boy Petrucci. And one more thing, i check out the newsgroup every once in a while, the big thing there now is weather or not DT is a "Heavy Metal" band... it gets pretty pathetic but if youre bored it provides for some entertainment! see ya ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:21:16 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Oh, dear GOD Message-ID: Make-munny-fast has been posted to the Jam. May God have mercy on our souls. MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, email_address_removed/email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:19:04 -0800 From: Mike Backof To: email_address_removed Subject: CD Library Message-ID: Hello Jammers, I'd like to address Mape's idea for a library of jammer's CD lists. I think that part is a great idea, but I don't think the purpose should be to dub copies of CDs for others, a compilation tape tree or something would be a good application. I own a lot of material by independent label bands that I have been given or purchased and I'd rather give it out as compilation tapes so people can get a taste for a band's music and not have the album. A lot these groups need your support, sending around dubs of their albums won't do much to help them. Ideas? Later, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Backof email_address_removed http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:24:33 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: Like, stuff and stuff... Message-ID: Raytheon sez: >I'd like to congratulate our first Ytse-Quote winner, Pat Griffin >(Gabbo)! And he complained of a lag. Sheesh! :) /me bows To Bafu: That ER thing was pure genious! I was cracking (no pun intended) up the whole time. You and Chris *are* the Ytsejam. Keep it up. h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality2 Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:09:03 -0500 From: Scotch To: This Big Broken Machine Subject: Orchestras. Message-ID: Word up again... > From: email_address_removed (Larry Odneal) > Subject: Re: the snare sound (you KNOW which one I mean) > No flames, Mr. Edd, just my very own HO. Pop Quiz biatch: WE DON'T LUV THEM HO'S! (Sheeyit, brother... why you respectin' the bitches?) But I digest-- er, digress. > From: email_address_removed.de (Steffen Barabasch) > Subject: new album - wishes > Scott wrote: > > >whole song based on some kind of metalfunk thing like that-- not funk as in > >Chili Peppers, but like as in Extreme ("Cupid's Dead," notably... damn, > [...] > >- Maybe a little further down the road-- an orchestral backing. Maybe even > >some orchestral arrangements of old tunes. Can you hear Lifting Shadows > > Then why don't you listen to Extreme? OK! Extreme does kick major ass. But they're not as consistent as DT in songwriting; plus I just don't grok with all the political posing. I mean, really, (IMHO) it gets silly when Cherone's all righteous and Fight-The-Power and No-More-War, and then suddenly, in comes Nuno's blazing guitar solo for the next 3 minutes. On the new album, though, it's a little better: Nuno doesn't even overdub! (Which is kind of cool, I admit, in its immediacy, but I do like double-tracked guitar breaks.). That is Nuno's band, and Nuno's band alone-- I don't see how Nuno's solo project will sound any different than Extreme... except he'll be singing and playing every damn instrument. Also Nuno rocks JP's world on acoustic guitar. Midnight Express... awesome. Back to DT. > These little funky bits on TTT were > cool, but I don't want DT to water their unique band sound with an orchestra. > I love them for being a tight playing band of five excellent performers. > Listen to the cheesy strings on Nothing Else Matters. Enough said. "Water their sound?" That's not exactly the first description that comes to mind when talking about orchestral music. I wasn't talking about some cheesy strings layered in over top of DT's music (like Nothing Else Matters, you're right)-- I mean like full arrangements, with a huge, rich, layered sound. And not just slapped on top as icing on the cake (like so many other orchestral "accompaniments" that you hear in rock music), but intertwined into the music. That was always one of the reasons why I dug DT from a keyboard perspective: they actually incorporate the keys into the song, instead of just being decoration. If you took out the keys, the songs would be lacking, even if JP does get the spotlight. In this case, make the orchestra an integral part of the songs, adding countermelodies, symphonic percussion, brass, harp, etc. A big production here. (Admittedly, Derek might not have much to do, unless he manned the piano or some extra synths.) But I do not consider symphonic music the sort of thing that would "water down" DT's music, given a good arrangement, instrumentation, and production. Given those 3 factors, it would sound SO powerful and SO insanely great. I can see this happening if DT becomes more successful soon and can convince the record company that it will be worth it. Or I can see this happening in like 20 years when they're all old and fat and doing the whole Pink Floyd/Moody Blues/Eagles thing, charging $115 a ticket and touring with 2 drummers, 3 keyboardists, and some offstage rhythm guitarists... bleah. Hope not. If there's any doubt as to the heaviness of symphonic music, I suggest that you all go out and buy the "Stargate" film soundtrack, composed by David Arnold and performed by the kick-ass Sinfonia of London. The movie was pretty good, not great, but the music-- this is to orchestral music what heavy metal is to Top 40. Great music, heavy as hell, awesome for blasting. Good film scores just kick ass... Williams, Elfman, Silvestri. DT could probably do a mean film soundtrack themselves, some phat sci-fi movie (not some shit action movie like rock musicians tend to do). And Mr. Vai, did you use the Anagram Generator at infobahn.com ("Main Sanitary Nag"), or did you actually sit around making them up yourself? By the way, when I was talking about snares a few posts ago, of course I meant piccolo snare, not soprano. That always escapes me. Scott. Needs More Sleep and Mo' Money ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:38:59 PST From: Mark Smeets To: email_address_removed Subject: Fingerstyle and Megadeth Message-ID: ** Reply to note from email_address_removed 03/25/96 06:48am -0800 I wanted to try to send this email again, its been like a week and I still haven't seen it on the jam, wanted my 2, 039, 293, 304, 039.45$ in. Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:10:51 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Seth Hatlelid) To: email_address_removed Subject: fingerstyle bass and megadeth Message-ID: -Hiya everyone, -This is a reply to the guy who asked about John Myung -playing "fingerstyle bass". This term is used correctly. -John uses three fingers on his right hand to pluck the -strings in a ring-middle-index pattern much like throwing -a baseball. Cliff Burton played the same way I think but I'm not sure if he was 2 or 3 fingers. I always had a hard time even trying to play with 3 fingers but I did get the hang of it at one point. I didn't like it, so, now I'm back to my 2 fingers. -Playing fingerstyle in this matter allows one -to play faster than with two fingers or with a pick No it doesn't. Thats an assumption. More fingers will not give you better speed or allow you to be fast than a pick player. I know you bring up David later on so I'll bring him up now. If your saying, someone with 3 fingers can play FASTER than a person like David Ellefson who uses a pick, your insane...1)If you've ever listened to Rust In Peace, you'll KNOW that Ellefson plays faster than any DT song they have ever written and probably even harder to play. I mean, listen to David's past work with deth, ESPECIALLY on Killing is my business (as much as I hate that cd) a 3 fingered player would have to bust his/her ass to play that speed. I don't want to be slamming bass players but there are those that are better than others and alot of them to me could run circles around JM. I'll name example if need be. -For an example of the difference -between picking and fingerstyling bass check out David -Ellefson's bass lines on Rust in Peace as compared to John -Myungs bass lines onj Images and words; both lines are -incredibly fast and complex but Myung sounds deeper and -fuller Um, the reason for that is the amps there using and also the way it was mixed, also, the type of pick that was used. I wouldn't call I&W extremely fast either. Complexity is about the only thing I&W is. -while Ellefson has a quicker "kick" and cuts -through the mix a little better due to the severity and -timbre of his picking attack. Both are amazing bassists -and are two of my favorites (I am a six-string bassist) -and both have strongly influenced my playing. Kick? I assume you mean the sound when he hits his strings. What you've been talking about is the sound thats coming out of your amp dude. I sound like Steve harris 80% of the time and I play with my fingers and thats because 90% of the work from my bass amp and the other 10% is from my fingers, not anything else. Regardless of that, it's a combination which makes each sound. What sounds good with what bass amp or FX unit etc...it's also personal preference as well. -As to Megadeth touring with DT I would love it! Megadeth -has a habit of touring with great up and coming bands (ie -Stone Temple Pilots, What tour did they go on? I don't recall any tour with STP and Megadeth? I think you might be referring to Suicidal Tendancies. -Korn, Fear Factory, Korn...I hope they get their guitars stuck inbetween their teeth so I don't have to listen to them yell into the microphone and TRY to play their out of tune guitars. -Corrosion of -Conformity GREAT band, I caught the last half of their set when I saw deth on the Youthinamerica tour...in-fucking-credible. -In the past -Mustaine has been difficult to get along with but he seems -to be stabalizing in the last couple of years. -I saw them in concert while they were supporting Countdown -to Extinction and they were fantastic, they were -considerate of the fans and put on a great show. Yea, well, you'd be an asshole to get a long with too if you were coming off years of drug abuse too. To quote "I was an asshole back then, I'm an asshole now, I know I'm doing it, I just need to figure out why"-DM -There was no flash-pots or naked babes that other bands -use to keep a stage presence. The emphasis was on the -music and the energy really came accross; the pit was -intense. As to Musitaine calling Queensryche "music for -pussies" I believe Mustaine actually called them "yuppie -fag metal". yup, he's said all that too. -I never said Mustaine hadn't been insensitive on many -occasions and his scathing wit has gotten him in hot water -on several occasions, but there are MANY band members who -trash other bands (for some reason Axl Rose comes to -mind-I hate GNR). yea but Dave M is respected for a big reason and that is, he has opinions and he can back them up. If he says something, he has no problem with backing it up. -The truth of the matter is that -Megadeth has helped to create and lend musical credibility -to a fledling style of music (Killing is my Buisiness... -is INFINATLEY more intricate and complex than Metallica's -Kill 'Em All or anything by Slayer, Exodus or Overkill. Overkill....if deth had continued on the same route that they did for RIP, those 2 would be touring together. I'm beginning to like Overkill a bit more than Megadeth in the listening department. pick up Wrecking your Neck Live, you won't be disappointed. -Mustaine's lyrics are more challenging and meaningful than -Metallica, Fates warning or I Mother Earth. Those Lyrics are based on personal experience though, not stories etc...A few of deth's songs are of course based on stories, Hanger 18 is one of them. I'd say alot of DT's lyrics are quite deep as well, like on metropolis or Lie (whatever the hell james means on "and you can tell your grandfather I said so") They are one -of the few Progressive Metal bands (yes they are -Progressive-check out anything from Rust in Peace), to -have broken in platinum popularity status while still -making complex music. (Yes, I know Youthanasis is not as -complex as Rust..., but the music is still more complex -than many Fates Warning or even Savatage songs.) They have -been creating music for more than 13 years and created -some incredible songs and influenced ALOT of bands -including our own Dream Theater. I wouldn't call Megadeth progressive but developing a new style of music, most definetly. I would agree with you about your comment of the fates warning songs being less complex but I can only agree with you on the new material, not the older stuff. Old Fates Warning is progressive to a "P". The new stuff is cool but not like the old. -If you don't like -Megadeth that's fine with me but dislike them for their -musical tastes, not Mustaine's mouthing. You mean the music they play not their tastes, I could care less what Mustaine digs for tunes. 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