YTSEJAM Digest 1378 Today's Topics: 1) New Album Speculation, etc. by Scotch 2) Re: Need fast Cash? Here it is! by email_address_removed (Thrak) 3) Sempi, Kohai, Theatah by Steve Borzilleri 4) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/29/96 - 03:05:44" 5) guitar mags.. by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 6) DT only content by andrew miller 7) re:Mr. Big, songwriting, and DT by rhsalsa 8) BEST MAILING LIST by Joseph Cristina 9) DT Link on "Law and Order" by "Jonathan Byrne" 10) Paul Gilbert & Bob by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:46:20 -0500 From: Scotch To: This Jam Needs An Enema Subject: New Album Speculation, etc. Message-ID: Hey, I'm posting again. I feel like living in the past, so in addition to my previous post, I'm going to bring up another old thread that I never got a chance to respond to-- I'm not trying to bring it up again, though, please take note. It's what I'd like to hear DT do on the new album, or on future albums. It's more of just a wish list than an actual expectation projection. - I really want to hear them cut loose on another metalfunk break like in TTT at 4:49, just after the keyboard/guitar unison solo. That part just kicks so much ass it's not even funny. And JP's solo in Glass Moon is pretty funky, rhythm-wise. It would be really cool if they could do a whole song based on some kind of metalfunk thing like that-- not funk as in Chili Peppers, but like as in Extreme ("Cupid's Dead," notably... damn, that song bruises). Fast, precise, stop-time, meter-shifting-- and hey, Portnoy could even do ghost notes (he'd have to turn down the reverb for that though... reverb and funk don't mix, IMHO). - Need some more Grand Piano. Not keyboard; full, heavy, stereo Grand Piano. SDV was too simplistic; a very austere, solemn, quarter-note pattern, which is what the song called for, admittedly-- but I'm looking for some awesome classical Emerson-style hammering and blazing. (Trilogy, anyone?) I could really go for a nice instrumental piano coda, or a freeform intro with James singing over it. No piano and heavy guitar at the same time, though; you know, just like heavy part then piano part. (Uh-oh, my control-freak persona...) - More acoustic guitar. Not JP's chorus-effect electric acoustic sound, but Silent Man acoustic. AD showed how awesome they could be acoustically, even if JP said somewhere that he "sucked" at acoustic. Admittedly, that would deny JP the opportunity to go off, but I think a little simplifying is healthy. Like many someone elses said, just because DT can play all technical doesn't mean they have to all the time. Piano and acoustic... yeah, very cool; but in sharp danger of becoming a VH1 Sellout Ballad. If they made it complex enough, with weird lyrics... - Maybe a little further down the road-- an orchestral backing. Maybe even some orchestral arrangements of old tunes. Can you hear Lifting Shadows with an orchestra? Or Metropolis?? Or ACOS??? Oh man, the best thing is that DT is EXACTLY the type of band that would-- and COULD-- pull something like that off with flying fucking colors. Like ELP or Moody Blues. I mean, for Christ's sake, if Extreme could do it, and Metallica, then of course the Boys could! - A concept album. 'Nuff said. - An album with one 78-minute song. Cassette fuckers be damned! (OK, they'll put indexes in the middle, in between movements, so you can listen in your car.) - An song where they all switch instruments, a la Mr. Bungle. - You've heard me say it before-- Three words: Progressive Gangsta Rap! I can see it now: "When Dream and Dre Unite"!!!! ("Learning to Loot"? "Drive-By Vest"? "A Fortune In Gucci Bags"?) Seriously, I know a lot of us are apprehensive about the buzz that the new album's going to be more "radio-friendly." And that DT is leaning a little more towards a less progressive vibe. But I saw a post on alt.music.dream-theater (yes, I actually went there) that was in a series of cross-posts from the Queensryche newsgroup, and it was this QR fan who obviously had a lot of respect for DT, but who said that he saw Awake as a step forward from I&W in its songwriting style, in that DT was reining in their chops and showing off a little less, devoting more energy toward the tone and character of the songs. I must agree here. I know there are legions of I&W-devotees out there angrily seething at this-- because I&W is more "progressive." OK. Duly noted. But I don't see "progressive" as a function of the number of time-signature shifts or weird riffs or mind-manglingly fast guitar runs. I&W definitely delivers in that arena, more so than Awake. Progressive also doesn't necessarily mean that you have to throw out "conventional" song structure. I will grant that, in comparison to I&W, Awake does have a lot of what could be called "conventional" songs. It does have, however, what could be called "good songs." There's an all-too fine line. Different is not necessarily better. Complex is not necessarily better. I remain in the Awake camp, having never seen a DT video, and if DT becomes more radio-friendly, more power to them, literally. I think they will never stoop to doing "I Can't Dance." One thing they CANNOT do-- stay at the I&W stage forever. They have to progress, right? (Like you didn't see that one coming.) Oops, that was the "What Is Prog?" thread from a month ago... Sheesh. Sorry-- I hope it doesn't snowball into more of the same old shit. Don't respond!! Really! Actually, do whatever. This post wanders enough as is. Well, that was my blast from the past-- I'll catch you all later. Scott. Hears The Sound Of Enraged I&W-Worshippers Pounding On His Door ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:03:05 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Thrak) To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed, email_address_removed, email_address_removed, Subject: Re: Need fast Cash? Here it is! Message-ID: I know that some of you will probably flame me for this, but oh well. OK guys, read the forwarded private message. It could make you a very happy person. This is not a typical get rich quick scheme. Using the brain that some people question me having (g), I have determined that this works if you play by the rules. No matter what, you will make some profit, considering that the total outlay is only $6.60 (5 $1 bills and 5 $0.32 stamps). Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take two minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make some serious cash in a hurry???" , or been in serious debt, ready to do almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those bill collectors. So grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass of your favorite beverage, get comfortable and listen to this interesting, exciting find! Let me start by saying that I FINALLY FOUND IT! That's right! I found it! And I HATE GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES!! I hate those schemes like multi-level marketing, mail-order schemes, envelope stuffing scams, 900 number scams... the list goes on forever. I have tried every darn get rich quick scheme out there over the past 12 years. I somehow got on mailing lists for people looking to make money (more like 'desperate stupid people who will try anything for money!'). Well, when I was a teenager, these claims to 'get me rich quick' sounded irresistible! I would shell out $14.95 here, $29.95 there, $24.95 here, and another $49.95 there. I had maxed out my new Circuit City Card AND my Visa...I was desperate for money!! So, I gave them all a chance but failed at every one of them! Maybe they worked for some people, but not for me. Eventually, I just tossed that JUNK MAIL in the trash when I got the mail. I recognized it right away. I can smell a money scam from a mile away these days, SO I THOUGHT.... I thought I could sniff out a scam easily. WAS I WRONG!! ....I LOVE THE INTERNET!!! I was scanning thru a NEWSGROUP and saw an article stating to GET CASH FAST!! I thought..."Here on the Internet?? Well, I'll just have to see what schemes could possibly be on the internet." The article described a way to MAIL A ONE DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY FIVE PEOPLE AND MAKE $50, 0000 IN CASH WITHIN 4 WEEKS! Well, the more I thought about it, the more I became very curious. Why? Because of the way it worked AND BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY COST ME FIVE DOLLARS (AND FIVE STAMPS), THAT'S ALL I EVER PAY....EVER!! Ok, so the $50,000 in cash was maybe an tough amount to reach, but it was possible. I knew that I could at least get a return of $1,000 or so. So I did it!! As per the instructions in the article, I mailed out ('snail mail' for you e-mail fanatics) a single dollar bill to each of the five people on the list that was contained in the article. I included a small note, with the dollar, that stated "Please Add Me To Your List." I then removed the first position name of the five names listed and moved everyone up one position, and I put my name in position five of the list. This is how the money starts rolling in! I then took this revised article now with my name on the list and REPOSTED IT ON AS MANY NEWSGROUPS AND LOCAL BULLETIN BOARD MESSAGE AREAS THAT I KNEW. I then waited to watch the money come in...prepared to maybe receive about $1000 to $1500 in cash or so.... But what a welcome surprise when those envelopes kept coming in!!! I knew what they were as soon as I saw the return addresses from people all over the world -Most from the U.S., but some from Canada, even some from Australia! I tell you, THAT WAS EXCITING!! So how much did I get in total return? $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I received a total of $23,343!!! I couldn't believe it!! I now have a brand new black Acura Integra to speak for, due to this!! Now after almost 8 months, I am ready to do it again!!! So maybe it was possible to get $50,000 in cash, I don't know, but IT COMPLETELY DEPENDS ON YOU, THE INDIVIDUAL! You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of! The more postings you achieve will determine how much cash will arrive in your very own mailbox!! It's just too easy to pass up!!! Let's review the reasons why you should do this: The only cost factors are for the five stamps, the 5 envelopes and the 5 one dollar bills that you send out to the listed names by snail mail (US Postal Service Mail). Then just simply repost the article (WITH YOUR NAME ADDED) to all the newsgroups and local BBS's you can. Then sit back and, (ironically), enjoy walking (you can run if you like! :o ) down your driveway to your mailbox and scoop up your rewards!! We all have five dollars to put into such an easy effortless investment with SPECTACULAR REALISTIC RETURNS OF $15,000 to $25,000 in about 3-5 weeks! So HOLD OFF ON THOSE LOTTERY NUMBERS FOR TODAY, EAT AT HOME TONIGHT INSTEAD OF TAKEOUT FROM McDONALDS AND INVEST FIVE DOLLARS IN THIS AMAZING MONEY MAKING SYSTEM NOW!!! YOU CAN'T LOSE!! So how do you do it exactly, you ask? I have carefully provided the most detailed, yet straightforward instructions on how to easily get this underway and get your cash on its way. SO, ARE YOU READY TO MAKE SOME CASH!!!?? HERE WE GO!!! *** THE LIST OF NAMES IS AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE. *** OK, Read this carefully. Get a printout of this information, if you like, so you can easily refer to it as often as needed. INSTRUCTIONS: 1. Take a sheet of paper and write on it the following: "Please add my name to your list". This creates a service out of this money making system and thus making it completely legal. You are not just randomly sending a dollar to someone, you are paying one dollar for a legitimate service. Make sure you include your name and address. I assure you that, again, this is completely legal! For a neat little twist, also write what slot their name was in: "You were in slot 3", Just to add a little fun! This is all about having fun and making money at the same time! 2. Now fold this sheet of paper around a dollar bill ,(no checks or money orders), and put them into an envelope and send it on its way to the five people listed. The folding of the paper around the bill will insure its arrival to its recipient. THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT!! 3. Now listen carefully, here's where you get YOUR MONEY COMING TO YOUR MAILBOX. Look at the list of five people; remove the first name from position one and move everyone on the list up slot one on the list. Position 2 name will now move to the position 1 slot , position 3 will now become position 2, 4 will be 3, 5 will be 4. Now put your name, address, zipcode AND COUNTRY in position 5, the bottom position on the list. 4. Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local bulletin boards' message areas & file section as possible. Give a catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!! Such as: "NEED FAST CASH?, HERE IT IS!" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF YOUR DEBTS??", etc. And the more uploads, the more money you will make, and of course, the more money the others on the list will make too. LET'S ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER BY BEING HONEST AND BY PUTTING FORTH 120 PERCENT INTO THIS PROFITABLE & AMAZING SYSTEM!!! You'll reap the benefits, believe me!!! Set a goal for the number of total uploads you'll post, such as 15-20 postings or more! Always have a goal in mind!!! If you can UUE encode the file when uploading, that will make it easier for the people to receive it and have it downloaded to their hard drive. That way they get a copy of the article right on their computer without hassles of viewing and then saving the article from the File menu. Don't alter the file type, leave it as an MS-DOS Text file. The best test is to be able to view this file using Microsoft's Notepad for Windows 3.x or WordPad for Windows '95. If the margins look right without making the screen slide left or right when at the ends of the sentences, you're in business! 5. If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS, or "POST" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file, tell them who your Internet provider is and PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE GLAD TO HELP. I would try to describe how to do it but there are simply too many internet software packages with slightly different yet relatively simple ways to post or upload a file. Just ask for help or look in the help section for 'posting'. I do know that for GNN, you simply select 'POST' then enter a catchy description under the subject box, choose 'ATTACH', selecting 'UUE' and NOT 'TXT', then choose 'Browse' to go look for the file. Find your text file CASH.TXT and click on it and choose 'OK'. Place a one line statement in the main body section of the message post screen. Something like "Download this to read how to get cash arriving in your mailbox with no paybacks!" or whatever. Just make sure it represents its true feasibility, NOT something like..."Get one million dollars flooding in your mailbox in two days!" You'll never get ANY responses! 6. And this is the step I like. JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE CASH IS ON ITS THE WAY!! Expect to see a little money start to trickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3 & 4, THE MONEY STORM WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it out of the mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway) when you realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!! 7. So go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life (or the one you want in your life) a gift they'll never forget. ENJOY LIFE! 8. Now when you get low on this money supply, simply re-activate this file again; Reposting it in the old places where you originally posted and possibly some new places you now know of. Don't ever lose this file, always keep a copy at your reach for when you ever need cash. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN CASH IS NEEDED! 9. (This step added by Charles Reiley). Hello, This is exciting isn't it?! While I'm on the list, just add a note saying "Please include extra money tips" with your name & E-MAIL address, and I will (FOR FREE) send you some neat methods to increase the money you will receive with this plan. Why?... Why not? I'm not a selfish jerk...I like helping out others. E-mail just makes it a touch easier and cheaper, too! After I drop off the list, I can no longer offer you this advice, obviously, but maybe someone else who gets my tips will offer and simply replace my name on this step number 9. Good luck and give this plan your all, it will definitely pay off! Like Mike said, HAVE FUN WITH IT!!! ************************************************************ *************** ************************************************************ *************** THE NAMES LIST THE NAMES LIST THE NAMES LIST ************************************************************ *************** HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL!!! 1. Charles Reiley 1541 Cedar Bluff Trail Marietta, GA 30062 2. Paul Dittrich 1509 Trigg Lane Wichita Falls, TX 76306 3. George Juniel 5000 Western Ave. #2100 Knoxville. TN 37921 USA 4. Jon Heifetz 21 Raemont Rd. Granite Springs, NY 10527. 5. Damion Sanchez 671 Parkview Drive New Richmond, WI 54017 USA ************************************************************ *************** NOTE: Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you a dollar and always keep an eye on the local postings of this file...Just to make sure that everyone is playing the game fairly. You know where your name should be..... *** AGAIN, HONESTY IS THE BEST THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US ON THIS PLAN. -Mike Dotson, Boulder, CO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:05:54 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri To: Dream Thespians Subject: Sempi, Kohai, Theatah Message-ID: > From: Paul Mc Clelland > > Hey ytsedudes and dudettes! Whoah, like, so this gnarly ramp rager thought he was shreddin' pretty good 'till he met the king of vert that was I!! > "If you wait long enough, you will see the body of your enemy floating > down the river." > > -Connor-son (Rising Sun) "If you wait long enough, you will see the cd of your favorite 80's metal band floating through the bargain/used cd bin." -Bafurotsukidoji-san (Sinking Sky) ---- > From: Chris Oates > Subject: Great Jam! > > Holy Bafu! See Commandment #2. ;) (jus kiddin) > So, there's Lord Laussade, his crafty servant Bafu, who is in love with > Laussade's daughter, Bahrina, so Laussade disguises himself as Sengir, > the stable hand, to confront him, and that's thew scene I wrote! Pretty > corny, but thanks for the inspiration, folks! Crafty?! Since when am I crafty? And who's Bahrina? I'm already involved with Airdance and Babs and that Fritz guy and I think Wildkoba was gonna jump into the fray sometime soon... > p.s. yes, it's all in Iambic Pentameter. Oh, well then it's okay for me to be crafty. Speaking of which, we've had tons of talk about dreaming on this list, but aside from Kobayashi's occasional mutterings about setting up productions, this is the first talk I've heard of someone describing something they went through (wrote even!) in a theatah. And we ain't talkin' movies, like "Rising Sun" and whatnot. (not "thee-ah-ter," but "thee-ah-TAH." Acting! Genius! Thank you! *slap*) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > \|/ ____ \|/ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ > "@'/ ,. \`@" email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" > /_| \__/ |_\ email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ > \__U_/ http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ > > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 1375 > ************************** How does he DO that?! ;) Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:06:27 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/29/96 - 03:05:44" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 03:06:21 GMT on 29 Mar 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 02:05:17 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: guitar mags.. Message-ID: >when i was checkin' out all these old guitar mags i almost flipped. >They're incredible! real guitarists on every page, tons of great >techniques and the parts at the beginning of the magazine where people >write in were about things like Nuno vs. Satch! Its great! what ever >happened?! Now its full of alternative bands interviews because theres That's true...except Guitar Player...the actually had STEVE VAI ON THE COVER...they even put ZAPPA on the cover...can you believe that??:) 'Guitar' is also half decent... it's like one issue they're typical grunge crap, the next one they cover cool stuff like King Crimson or the immortal Satch... |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |This message brought to you by Ernie: | | the only Panamanian Ytse-jammer- | | - or so the Germans would have us believe... | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernesto Schnack ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================| ------------------------------ Date: Thu Mar 28 20:32:05 1996 From: andrew miller To: email_address_removed Subject: DT only content Message-ID: this is in response to the person suggesting that the jam stick with DT content only: (whew. long sentence) :)> HUH? i don't understand where you're coming from. i've learned of many other prog bands thanks to my fellow ytsejammers. if i hadn't been on the ytsejam list i never would've heard of Superior, Galactic Cowboys, Echolyn, Braindance, Magna Carta Records, The Majesty Demos, Mike Bahr's CD projects, and whole bunch of other bands/info i can't remember off hand. man, i live in Iowa. right smack dab in the middle of hick country. there is NO progressive rock scene in Iowa, and, with the exception of Rush, there are no prog songs played on the radio. the point being that the jam has opened my eyes to a whole new world of progressive music. i love the jam. it's cool. and i like it just the way it is. if you don't like reading through jams filled with non-DT content, then unsubscribe. BTW, check your email you got right after subscribing. it states that other related topics ARE accepted. this is all, of course, IMHO. which i just happen to like. :)> see ya. --- Andrew Miller------------------------------------SubtleRage "these visions keep clouding my perceptions of time as the day fast forwards into another episode of darkness" email_address_removed@act.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:50:48 -0800 (PST) From: rhsalsa To: email_address_removed Subject: re:Mr. Big, songwriting, and DT Message-ID: If truth should be known about Mr. Big's abilities...Billy Sheehan is the control freak behind the band. He considers Mr. Big as "his" band. If they would allow Eric Martin to do a little (or a lot) more, they might have a better chance. Shay /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Check out a great R n' R band and my buds at... http://www.rockweb.com/sedona /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:03:25 -0500 (EST) From: Joseph Cristina To: email_address_removed Subject: BEST MAILING LIST Message-ID: Hey Jammers! In the latest issue of Newsweek and in the Cyberscope pages it contains a blurb about mailing lists. It wants to know which list is your favorite. So email them and let them know. The most popular lists will be published in a future Newsweek. Send the name of the list to and lets get the Ytsejam Mailing list some recognition. Joe email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:09:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Byrne" To: "YtseJam" Subject: DT Link on "Law and Order" Message-ID: Hey Jammers I was sitting here watching a rerun of "Law & Order" on A&E, when an unexpected DT reference came up. The DA was talking to the state shrink about this woman who might have killed the wife of a man she said she was having an affair with. Anyway, they found this little shrine kinda thing to this guy in her apartment. That and some other behavior caused the shrink to diagnose her as an "erotomaniac." My psyche-major roomate said that she sounded more passive-agressive to him, to which I responded in my best Butt-Head voice "Yeah, but there isn't a Dream Theater song called 'passive-agressive disorder', dumbass." I thought that was kinda cool. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I met a little chaos, in Legoland Jonathan Byrne A bug was spread between the peace West Virginia University I just don't understand." email_address_removed -Andre Neitzel, "Legoland", Timothy Pure ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 03:28:54 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: Paul Gilbert & Bob Message-ID: >seen the half of it from just Mr. Big's stuff. I've got Paul's 3rd >instructional video and its gotta be the best i've ever seen, he's >incredible, i watched it billions of times! The stuff he does blows I remember reading in a article in Guitar World where they interviewed and did a lesson w/ Petrucci, he said he had learned a lot from PG's first vid(Intense Rock) and recommended it... an example of something he learned was the ultra-fast fill b4 the PMU choruses... >Motley Crue is a pretty good example having the title of one of the >ultimate glam rock bands of all times, but they put out an album back >in 94 i think, with a new vocalist John Corabi i think it was, and it >was entirely different. that's an awesome CD... anybody notice how Bob Rock has changed? everybody thought that he was the reason of Metallica 'selling out' and yet a lot of the CD's he's produced since are heavier than Metallica's (Motley Crue, Skid Row, and I think there was another one...)...I guess Metallica are the ones who changed Bob.. |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |This message brought to you by Ernie: | | the only Panamanian Ytse-jammer- | | - or so the Germans would have us believe... | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernesto Schnack ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================| ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1378 **************************