YTSEJAM Digest 1372 Today's Topics: 1) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/27/96 - 12:44:43" 2) Re: DT CD's by email_address_removed (Robert Quezada) 3) stuff by Pat Daugherty 4) See ya! by Andrew Bunk 5) Belladonna's comment by email_address_removed (Ryan Good) 6) Carpe Diem by Pat Daugherty 7) Various impressions of cool-ass albums... by "Dr. Teeth" 8) Holiday Shows by "Ryan Eschauzier '97" 9) DT - Lack of exposure in Europe by "Alison Cheyney" 10) Attn: Guitar Players (NDTC) by Brian Wherry 11) Galactic Cowboys question (about upcoming concerts) by ytsejammer 12) Rhoads, Wankers, Mags, and other sensless garbage,,, the usual by email_address_removed (RipZero ) 13) WDATU by email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) 14) Fates Warning T-shirts!!! by Jason Breitweg 15) WDADU promo for trade by jbako01 16) (WWW generated email) by Ana Arguello Lopez 17) Space Dye vest by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:45:27 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/27/96 - 12:44:43" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 12:45:06 GMT on 27 Mar 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:20:30 GMT From: email_address_removed (Robert Quezada) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT CD's Message-ID: >At the risk of being flamed to charred remains: >Does anyone out there know of any BulletBoys stuff on the net? I need to >download logos, pics, etc. I know they disbanded and stuff, but, hey, I >still dig 'em. Does anybody know what they are doing now? >I'm also looking for stuff on Brother Cane, Dokken and Mr. Big. > Try http://american.recordings.com/wwwofmusic/ubl/ubl.shtml This is "the ultimate band list page". It should have everything on every band out there. rq ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:30:26 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: stuff Message-ID: Yes, Pull Me Under (LATM version) was released as a single with Surrounded (LATM version) on it. A lot of jammers got it for free since someone posted that the first 50 who respond will get a free copy. About DT releasing a ballad as a single. What do you call Another Day? I think Surrounded was released as well. **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:31:06 -0600 From: Andrew Bunk To: email_address_removed Subject: See ya! Message-ID: I'd just like to say that I'm tired of weeding through all this immature nonsense on the jam. I truly thought that when I signed on I would only be getting pertinent info on DT and related bands. Instead, it's like sitting in on a juvenile slumber party! I guess I assumed most of the posters here were mature and of sound mind, but I guess every group has its lowest common denominator. This is almost as bad as those ridiculous chat rooms on AOL. To the organizer of this jam, on sorry you had to watch your idea deteriorate into what it has become. To those who post legitimate info (Mike Bahr, Mike Backof, etc.), this does not apply to you, and I'm sorry if you take any offense to it. So long! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:10:56 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Ryan Good) To: email_address_removed Subject: Belladonna's comment Message-ID: All- I didn't know that Joey was trying to get The Ball back on MTV. I have also heard that MTV is trying to get some kind of "hard rock" show back on the air. I have the feeling that "heavy metal" is going through some stigma changes. I read an article about z-rock and how they are going from the immature beavis and butthead humor to a more "theater of the mind vibe, Pink Floydie, less wacky, more heady" format. I've always thought that the squeeky wheel will get the oil, and there are simply TOO many fans of heavy metal in general, along with us prog rockers, to be ignored. With someone like Joey B leading the way, something is BOUND to happen, even if it is Riki Rachtman back on MTV. (Just as long as it's not Eric Palladino!) I think there is potential in the air. Can you feel it?? _____________________________________________ "There's no religon that will bring you through to morning" _____________________________________________ name - Ryan T. Good e-mail - email_address_removed phone - 1-(608)-264-2268 what - Madison Student Radio who - Music Staff (Music Stapher) which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal why - why not? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Carpe Diem Message-ID: I went to the post office to see about an internatinal money order so I could pay for the Carpe Diem boot. Well, it turns out that from the post office international money orders are a pain in the ass and cost 7.50. You have to send the money order to St Louis where they convert it and send it along. I'd advise anyone to just send the money to Mike Bahr and let him deal with it. Mike, is there some secret? **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:01:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Dr. Teeth" To: email_address_removed Subject: Various impressions of cool-ass albums... Message-ID: I've been meaning to give some impressions of some albums I've boughten recently, so here goes: Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle I keep hearing stuff like, "This is the weirdest album ever. Period." Although seriously messed-up, these guys aren't all THAT weird. When they actually try to sit down and write a half-way real song, it's pretty groovy! The stuff's just so jerky. One second polka, the next, Spanish spoken word, then next, drunken Jamaican beer-swilling chants. A very fun album to listen to. And after a while, you start to sing along! Thought Industry - Songs for Insects Three words: Oh my God! These guys rock! That first song is SOOOO damn catchy. I especially love that electric-tom solo thingie he does every once and a while. I thought I once heard that this album was REALLY weird, but what the hell? The weirdest thing about it is the cover-art. Dali rules, by the way. The band's VERY progressive, the singer's great. He distorts his voice once and a while. The drummer's very prominent. The lyrics are um, out there. Not one lyric rhymes in the album, I don't think. The singer's a very deep guy - you can tell. Someone please e-mail me about your impressions of the rest of their albums. I heard that they're not doing any more "Songs for Insects" type songs anymore... Is this a good thing??? Sleepless - The concise King Crimson This single album has ALL the old favorites on it. Red, Elephant Talk, etc. I've come to a few conclusions. Red was made in 1974. Thrak was made in 1995. Red sounds almost EXACTLY like some of the stuff off Thrak. Talk about sticking to a formula! I'm not saying that all their albums sound the same. Just that the song, "Red" sounds like something off of Thrak. Another thing... King Crimson ballads suck. And they do too many of them. KC's hard stuff just kicks ass because it's so strange, and I love it, but leave the ballads to Barry Manilow, please! King Crimson - Thrak If you don't own any KC, I'd suggest giving this one a try. VERY prog and very good stuff. Overall, my favorite KC album. Megadeth - Rust in Peace Eh. I don't know, for some reason this one just doesn't grab my attention as much as their two newest ones do. I know, I know. Blasphemy. I should probably just give this one another listen. (I have yet to REALLY listen to it. Just background music so far.) It's good, but I don't know if it's as great as everyone's been leading us to believe. I'll give it another listen. Allan Holdsworth - Sand I used my $10 birthday gift certificate to buy this one and give it a try. Um, where is the guitar??? He plays a synth-axe almost throughout the whole album! (Keyboard put onto a guitar = Synth-axe) On the album, it says "With the exception of Blah Blah's solo in Blah Blah, this album contains no keyboards." Yeah, Allan, well that's cool and all, but IT SOUNDS LIKE A KEYBOARD TO ME! Whatever the case, I wanted a wicked guitar-filled album and I only heard guitars twice. The rest is more reminiscent of Yanni. A boring Yanni at that. A bad first impression of Allan, I know. If anyone wants to buy this from me, let me know, otherwise it's going to be sold to the nearest used CD dealer for about 3 bucks. Allan Holdsworth - Metal Fatigue CDConnection recommended this one as a good starter for Holdsworth and I thought I'd give Al a second chance. This is much better. Guitars abound. I've only heard it once but I have a feeling it'll grow on me. A couple tracks have some nice vocals too! Korn - Korn One of the heaviest albums I own. These guys are somewhat progressive, too! The thing with this album is, that half of the songs just kick total ass. The rest of the songs are annoying screaming/crying songs that seem to be filler or something. The lyrics are whiny and to me, immature yet the album screams to be taken seriously. Sorry guys, I just can't be as emotional as you about mommy taking your supper away. I guess you have to have grown up in a trailor park to get into it. I'll just listen to my favorite 5 tracks and skip the crying songs. (Literally, at the end of the album, he's crying. Weird.) Savatage - Streets This album is REALLY good, guys. It's not as progressive as I was led to believe, but is appeals to the 80's rocker in me. That's a good thing. There's nothing wrong with melodic rock. They try new ideas in this and have some fun while telling a pretty cool, and somewhat corny story. Savatage - Dead Winter Dead Much more progressive than Streets, but still not a "True" prog band. These guys are the ultimate "Rock Opera" band. Kings of the concept album! In this one, they play with Mozart a little and do some cool instrumentals, as well as some heavy stuff too. Not QUITE as melodic as Streets, but it's really close. I like these albums equally, but I keep thinking I own the best two Savatage albums out there. These are the only ones I hear about. *Sigh* Extreme - Pornograffiti Very under-rated stuff. About as progressive as "Streets", which means, "A little bit". You can tell they had a lot of fun making this one. Am I the only guy on the planet that likes "More than words"??? Very melodic album again with some wicked, wicked guitar work by Nuno Bettencourt. If you're looking for a fun, good-time album that's kinda-80's-ish but not too wanker-ish, go for this one. Extreme - III Sides to Every Story Much more progressive than Pornograffiti but just as listenable. A much more mature album this time, Extreme attempts to tackle the issue of war from all three sides: Pro, Con, and "Who Cares?". I kind of get sick of the "War, War, War" of the album. (That's all it's about - It's a concept album, ya know.) Luckily Nuno's guitarwork more than makes up for it. At the end, there's a nice 18+ minute trilogy summing up the whole album. If you like Pornograffiti, get this. Did everybody get my comparison between Savatage and Extreme? Savatage went from Streets to Winter in the same way that Extreme went from Porno to III. Cool, no? Sepultura - Roots I've been dangling my feet in the waters of "Death Metal" for some time now and I've finally jumped in with this album. Luckily I'm not drowning in... "RRRRRRRRRWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!" There's plenty of stuff going on in this album to keep this prog-man interested. Voice distortion, exotic instruments, lots of fun stuff, including a spot where they purposely end a song seemingly using less and less powerful amplifiers. It's like, you hear a guitar chord nice and clear, and then gradually it gets crappier and crappier sounding until it sounds like someone's cranking up their shitty boom-box waaaaaay too loud so that it's all distorted and stuff. I don't know what they did here, but it isn't your conventional "Guitar distortion". Anyway, a very interesting Metal band and as soon as I can get used to the lead singer's growling, I'll love it! =) GWAR - Anything Take away the costumes. Take away the lyrics about fucking people with frozen pieces of shit and you've got a very complex band. Yes, folks. GWAR is progressive. I went to their concert recently just for the sake of saying I went to a GWAR concert and I was amazed at all the complex time sigs they used. If you are willing to delve into the bizarre, and realize that above all, GWAR is the ultimate in wankers ;) you might like what you hear. Or not. Watchtower - Control & Resistance I've talked about these guys before, but my main point was that the lead singer's voice is just too damn annoying and that the musicianship is by far the most complex album that I own. Hard to follow and a whirlwind of ideas, it's a very hard album to listen to. Slowly but surely I'm getting used to it and am trying to appreciate it. Sieges Even - Their first one (Can't remember the name...) I don't own this album. I just thought I'd paraphrase someone's review of it. "These guys out-Watchtower Watchtower! Their technical skills are amazing! And then there's the singer... Yes, the rumors are true. This guy's the worst singer ever. He has to be heard to be believed! After a while I just thought his singing was just silly and was able to not be distracted from the awesome music." I might get this just for the novelty of having it. =) Sieges Even - Sophisticated I don't own this one either, but it's their newest one and they've switched singers and I heard that their song structure has developed and matured, yet it's still just as heavy and complex. I've tried every online CD service I can find and nobody has this! I want it! Superior - Behind It's in the mail and from the sound bytes on the net, and from what I've been hearing, I have no doubt that this'll be one of my best purchases lately. Rock on, Bernd! I know all of these reviews are disorganized and scatterbrained, but I've just wanted to give you all my impressions of them. Hope I helped! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:38:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL Subject: Holiday Shows Message-ID: A friend of mine asked me if I could get a copy of one of the holiday shows, and I know a lot of you have them, so do you think I could get a copy? I would love to get a copy of the New London show, but any of them would be great!! Thanks! 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * *{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}* "For once, I'll fight for what I believe in." "You'll stand alone against everybody for the first time in your life?" "Yes, for the first time in my life!" *<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>* email_address_removed Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085 Connecticut College ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:28:45 GMT From: "Alison Cheyney" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT - Lack of exposure in Europe Message-ID: Hello hello hello, new to this place but just thought I would answer an earlier mail about how much exposure DT get in Europe. Quite frankly, none, nil, zilch. I had never heard of them until a year ago when I met my boyfriend - it was an instant love (both DT and the boyfriend!). Likelihood of ever hearing them on any radio station is about as likely as me eating British Beef! Anyway, there are people of taste in the UK, and we're just patiently waiting for the day when DT decide to don their thermal undies and pay us a visit (spread the word to them that I make a great cup of English tea!). Ali (the space dye vested angel) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:49:38 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Wherry To: DT List Subject: Attn: Guitar Players (NDTC) Message-ID: Hi, guys! I have a guitar body that I need to get painted. If any of you know of someone who does really nice guitar finishing, could you please email me? Thanks a bunch in advance! Brian \o/ --==Brian Wherry==-- o | --==email_address_removed==-- /|\ / \ "Do. Or do not. There is no try." -Yoda / \ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:54:10 -0500 (EST) From: ytsejammer To: ytse Jim Subject: Galactic Cowboys question (about upcoming concerts) Message-ID: Someone posted the tourdates for the Galactic Cowboys a few days ago. I'm thinking about going to their concert in New York City on April 19th. I wanted to know how I can tickets for this concert. Is it through ticketmaster or something else? ...Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:05:28 -0800 From: email_address_removed (RipZero ) To: email_address_removed, Subject: Rhoads, Wankers, Mags, and other sensless garbage,,, the usual Message-ID: thats been going on, all sorta other junk, not to mention i ALWAYS get sick on holidays yet i've never gotten sick once during a day of school... yeah i'm sick now too and its my week off... so i figured i'd at least get a post up or somethin' Randy Rhoads stuff here -> Ok i just came across a magazine back from 1987 around the time Tribute was released and the whole things dedicated to Rhoads. Its got interviews with Delores, Ozzy, Sharon, Randy's music teacher, producers, all sortza fun stuff. Anyways if anyone wants a typed copy of the mag. mail me, if i get enough requests i'll do it, but i wont have the mag for long. Its got some things i found pretty interesting. Ok about all this wankers stuff going on, i think its getting a little carried away. I try not to flame people much and when i posted that pantera thing it was all just for fun, all flames are pretty much for fun i'd think, unless someone is really sadistic enough to enjoy to hurt peoples feeling in front of alot of people for no reason. I say just drop it, drop any hard feelings against someone who flamed you here because i've never seen anything that really looked like it was an insult or anything to take too seriously, even though it may seem different being the butt of the joke, its usually nothing to get worked up about. >What Ever Happened to Music Videos? when i was checkin' out all these old guitar mags i almost flipped. They're incredible! real guitarists on every page, tons of great techniques and the parts at the beginning of the magazine where people write in were about things like Nuno vs. Satch! Its great! what ever happened?! Now its full of alternative bands interviews because theres nothing for them to offer musically, and when they do try its just how to finger power chords like they do or stuff like that. Dont get me wrong here, alot of you like Alternative type music and thats fine, but i dont think they need to be in all these guitar magazines so much. They transcibe things like Greenday songs which is a big waste considering anyone should be able to figure them out and as for beginner guitarists, they should be able to find SOMEONE who can show them, ug. Oh well, readin all these old mags sure is fun anyways, remember how Mtv used to be? I came across the Grind the other day, which is a show where people dance and thats about it, and just kinda thought if the kids from 10 years ago could see this what would they think? still awake through all this? wow. ok i'll get off this subject. >Does that mean we should refer to to you guys as Master Laussade, >Master Carroll, and Master RipZero? Master Zero will be just fine thank ye' :) >whats the name of the irc server, again? i'll probably be one of the many to respond to this but oh well... its irc.dreamt.org and the port # is 2112 ok thats enough torture for today... talk 2 yaz ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:04:19 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Ernesto Schnack) To: email_address_removed Subject: WDATU Message-ID: >>YESS! I finally got it... great job Mike...MTFBWY... >>I found out what the problem was w/ SS... it's slowed down...the song starts >>out in G, but in WDATU it's in F#...solution? I dubbed it to a tape and >>played it on my 4-track, tuning it to G w/ my 4-track...WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!! >>anybody who has the equipment to do this, try it... you'l be surprised... > >Actually, they did play it in G. The master tapes of Dream Out Loud (where SS >came from) and all the songs sound terrible. solution? I have a sped up >version of Dream Out Loud (thanx Scott!) anyone who has DOL and thinks it >sounds slow, I' will dub it for you if you send me a blank. > Isn't that what I just said? :) |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |This message brought to you by Ernie: | | the only Panamanian Ytse-jammer- | | - or so the Germans would have us believe... | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernesto Schnack ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:37:02 -0600 From: Jason Breitweg To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Warning T-shirts!!! Message-ID: Hi All, I saw this on Usenet the other day and thought I would post it here: > Hey all. I'm considering the idea of putting together a FW > t-shirt, and wanted to see if there was enough interest. I can get > them done wholesale, so they'll probably be very reasonable. I'm > picturing a two color/two sided design. > > We'll need 50 to make the order work, so if you're interested, > email me and let me put your name on the pre-order list. If we > get 50, we'll start making them. > > Thanks a million! > > James > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > I M A G E S A N D W O R D S > Internet Presence for Printing Professionals > email: email_address_removed > http://www.win.net/images > ----------------------------------------------------------- For God's sake please don't respond to me about this, write to the guy above. I think FW shirts would be cool since probably a lot of us have never seen them on tour and don't have shirts. Hey no DT content, amazing huh *grin*? Jason (J-Man on IRC) Currently Playing: Power of Metal Live (Gamma Ray and Rage) +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason T Breitweg (email_address_removed) | | Ich bin ein Dream Theaterfan | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:35:55 -0500 (EST) From: jbako01 To: email_address_removed Subject: WDADU promo for trade Message-ID: I got my hands on an original Mechanic Records promo cassette of WDADU, and I'm willing to trade it away for whatever DT/other band stuff I don't already have. In case you're wondering, the inlay card has only the songtitles on the front, and a band photo on the inside. Any reasonable trade offer will be considered, as long as your name does NOT begin with A :) James Bako "The only time I'll be happy email_address_removed is when I'm dead" Polytechnic University -Neil Diamond Brooklyn, New York ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:50:38 -0500 From: Ana Arguello Lopez To: email_address_removed Subject: (WWW generated email) Message-ID: subscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:04:02 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Space Dye vest Message-ID: >DTC: On Space-Dye Vest there is a soundbite that goes like this. "In >houston or something they say that it's 180 degrees but it's a dry heat. In >Houston they say that? Come on, they're all messed up. Why would they have >the swimming pools?" Where is this from? It sounds like something I would >hear on Comedy Centeral at three in the morning. Hey, It would cure my >insomnia. Wow. Now I know I've been a jammer for a while cuz _I _ remember this thread. First of all, I believe we established it to be "Dry until they hit the swimming pool", and second it's from Conan O Brien. later--------------Brian ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1372 **************************