YTSEJAM Digest 1359 Today's Topics: 1) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/19/96 - 11:55:15" 2) Superior Requests by Bernd Basmer 3) New CD release by Michael Bahr 4) College Radio by email_address_removed (Barb Battaglia) 5) Kevin Moore's WWW Site by email_address_removed (Pat Daugherty E12697) 6) Radioplay again! by IP ROTHERHAM 7) Re: Pull My Finger by email_address_removed 8) ACOS video possibilities by MATTHEW D PASTOR 9) WDADU (again) by CLIFF & PAM WHEATON 10) Howdy... Fellow DT fans by email_address_removed (Christopher & Kristina Hebertson) 11) A Pair Of Dice by email_address_removed 12) Re: Kevin Moore's WWW Site by SaVeur 13) Pull Me Under ending by Charone Frankel 14) PMU!!! by email_address_removed 15) ACOS Tab by Daniel McCormack 16) CD dubs of Mike Bahr's SUBCONSCIOUS by email_address_removed 17) Metal Genre definitions on the WWW by email_address_removed (Matt Mommaerts) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 06:55:59 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/19/96 - 11:55:15" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 11:55:52 GMT on 19 Mar 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:20:36 +0100 From: Bernd Basmer To: ytsejam@ax.com, metropolis@arastar.com Subject: Superior Requests Message-ID: Hi! As there were some requests about how getting the Superior-CD 'behind', here are the addresses again: http://www.rmi.de/~marvin/superior.html (will change to http://gaia.owl.de/~fine/superior.html in a few days!) http://www.why.net/users/jskewes/jsmusic.html http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/sup.html http://info.rpkk.fi/opsivut/y95b/mikko.kalermo Short reviews can be found at: http://pitel_lnx.ibk.fnt.hvu.nl/~martijn/Welcome.html http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html If you have any questions about the CD, email email_address_removed.de or email_address_removed !!! ATTENTION !!! I won't be reachable via email (email_address_removed.de) between the 22nd March and the 8th of April! Jason takes orders from the USA and Canada (I've learned to write Canada, Augie!! :) ) Greetings to all IRC-jammers! :) DTC: I'm going to see Mr. John Petrucci on Friday! Yipieh!!! :) Bye. Bernd. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Bernd Basmer | | _V_ | Zentrum fuer Informations- und | | <*,*> | Kommunikationstechnik | | [( )] | 66424 Homburg/Saar | | -"-"- | | | punk owl | Tel.: 06841/162166 | | | Fax : 06841/930026 | | | Email: email_address_removed.de | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 06:11:46 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: New CD release Message-ID: OK, I think I got the new updates sent (elm is acting odd today, refusing to send sometimes and giving me undeliverables, so I hope that worked) to the web sites. Well, you probably should read it before you read the rest of my mail (there's convenience for ya) so, like, save this Jam in your mailbox and get back to it or something. Now it's time to turn to the Ytsejam/Metropolis public at large to see how the orders for "Precious Things" should be handled. I've always been one who was willing to listen to good suggestions. As you'll find out in the update, very few copies will be created, for some very specific reasons. I don't mean to exclude anyone, nor do I mean to make it harder for the DT collector to fulfill their (very admirable) quest. It's because what goes around, comes around, and there are some people who deserve a real gem at this point for all they've done. One possibility is that I could have those wanting to purchase a copy (beyond the initial 70 + 15 that will be accounted for) simply win the chance at random in a random lottery. I could, say, take the first 120 who e-mailed in, put them into 3 groups of 40, and when the local lottery drawing next came on TV, take the 5 numbers (they are always between 1 and 40) and offer the 15 CDs to those number holders in each respective list. That would be easy, but it might be too keyed to luck, and I'd like to give the eternally unlucky (I am one such person) a chance to gain their CD with skill. I could solicit (until a certain date) submissions and choose the best 15, in e-mail. They could be: "why I should get to have this CD/drink this beer/curse Ytse-Ben" "what Dream Theater/prog rock/guitar/my nose means to me" "how many Jammers can you name, without looking it up" or ideas to that effect. I'm willing to try whatever most people want to do. Other ideas are encouraged. Well, take it easy, everyone... MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, email_address_removed/email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 08:48:56 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Barb Battaglia) To: email_address_removed Subject: College Radio Message-ID: >Date: Sat, 16 Mar 96 2:10:49 EST >From: "Damon M. Fibraio" >To: email_address_removed >Subject: Re: Why DT can never get a lot of radio play. >Message-ID: > >I listen to the radio conversationas a lot, about how radio sucks. Hey, guys. >If you want to hear good radio, try your local noncommercial college >stations. I used to be an advocate of college radio (especially since I work on a campus) and thoroughly used to enjoy 90.7 out of Genesee Community College in Batavia (Jaime the Dragon can back me up on this one). They were an absolute kick ass station. You would get to hear tunes from the late 70's & 80's (they even spent a good amount of time on the music of the 60's), but it was the good cuts rather than the overplayed commercial tunes that aired on MTV. I'm talking about Maiden (Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner) Rush (Xanadu). They were also the first station to start playing Pearl Jam's Black (my favorite tune from them) as well as Nirvana. So you were able to get a good mix of the old and the new and it was really good. Unfortunately, they are now full blown alternative. So is our station at Geneseo. I am sad to see/hear this trend - I'm afraid that if we don't look back and see who influenced today's music that we will lose all focus and vision for the future. -BABS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:09:30 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Pat Daugherty E12697) To: email_address_removed Subject: Kevin Moore's WWW Site Message-ID: Anyopne else think his web site was really wierd and somewhat annoying? **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** **** GO CAPITALS! GO BULLETS! GO DAYTON FLYERS! GO TERPS! **** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:52:00 From: IP ROTHERHAM To: email_address_removed Subject: Radioplay again! Message-ID: Regarding the debate over why DT don't get enough. If it's a case that DT have to sell out in order for radio stations and MTV to play more, then why let it happen. We all know and love DT for what they are at present, we don't desire a change to something like the feeble 3 minute crap you get from artists who are on the radio. These so-called artists have no talent, and are incapable of piecing anything longer than this together. The quality of DT is in their progressive nature and so wouldn't be anywhere near as good if it were confined to a few measly minutes. However, what is wrong with radio stations playing sections of songs, as is done with classical music. This way, ACOS could perhaps be done in stages. I know this situation is not ideal, but surely it's better than nothing at all or worse still, selling out. Finally, some none DT content, who out there like's Queensryche and Kings X, and does anyone know of any 'ryche mailing lists and addresses. Cheers Ian Rovs (note sig free!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:10:59 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" Subject: Re: Pull My Finger Message-ID: <0010200002243442000002*@MHS> Kris Long querried: > Hey there jammers, I gots a question. Does anybody know what James is > singing at the end of Pull Me Under off LatM? You know what part I mean? I [Slice. Dice. Chop. Cube. Mince.] > Kris Long James is singing the exact same thing he sings at the end of PMU on I&W. And actually I think he's far more understandable on LatM than I&W. Kinda strange considering how much people have complained about his live work. Either way, the line is "Oh that this too solid flesh would melt." If you can track down the FAQ (Hey Jason, you still got it?), you would also learn that this line is taken directly from _Hamlet_. Brian "The stream of life and flan." Kirk email_address_removed Now playing - "Behind", Superior <-- these guys should tour with DT!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:40:51 -0500 (EST) From: MATTHEW D PASTOR To: email_address_removed Subject: ACOS video possibilities Message-ID: I was walking home late last night from studying and I got to thinking. What would the video for "A Change of Seasons" be like if DT was able to make one? I'm talking about one of those multimillion dollar jobs like "November Rain". Imagine the possibilities. It would definitely answer a lot of questions that have been floating around here. For instance, if there was a train or a bull in the video, then we'd know what that freakin' noise is all about. (Which happens to be my favorite part of the song. That whole section just rocks.) I imagine concert shots wrapped up inside a concept video type thing where one section shows the whole band in tuxedos carrying a coffin or something. Also, news clips of plane crashes shown on a TV in the background. That kind of thing. I don't say that to be insensitive, but that is what the song is about, isn't it? I think this video, if they had the kind of funding needed, would set the standard for all concept videos. DT is so damn creative. Matt P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 96 11:49 MST From: CLIFF & PAM WHEATON To: email_address_removed Subject: WDADU (again) Message-ID: Hi again!! just finished listening to WDADU for the first time-great stuff. I have to agree,tho, about James LaBrie being the much better singer. Now-dumb question. Please bear with me with this one. I know it's been talked about before, but for the life of me I can't remember the answer right now. Is WDATU the same album but with James doing the vocals?? Is it a live album?? O.K. enough of the dumb questions. I very much enjoyed the music on this. I figure that it'll take me about 10 listenings to really discern which songs I like best,tho. Gee what a difficult task I've set for myself:) The only complaint I've got about this particular copy: NO LYRICS!! I did go to Skadz' web page and got them. Thanks for putting them on there-it would've driven me nuts not to be able to read along. Misheard lyrics are fun and funny, but I think that knowing what's really being said helps to understand the context of the song, and what's actually being put across by the band. Sometimes even a word or even punctuation can change the meaning of an entire phrase or statement.Yes I really enjoy playing with words at times. They can be twisted in the most interesting ways!!:) oh well, time to get ready for work. Keep Rockin' Pam ___/----^--\____ < /__rockin' cabbie_\o 0 0 TAKING THE ROAD TO ADVENTURE (Pam) email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:47:21 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Christopher & Kristina Hebertson) To: email_address_removed Subject: Howdy... Fellow DT fans Message-ID: I just got on the 'Jam,' and I just wanted to see how the posting works.. Ignore this message other then the fact that you need to check out my DT site on the Web at - http://www.galstar.com/~cfh/dt.html - It is a Netscape 2.0 enhanced site!!! Check it out!!! ------------------- email_address_removed http://www.galstar.com/~cfh/ "The way your heart sounds makes all the difference - It's what decides if you'll endure that pain we all feel. The way your heart beats makes all difference - In Learning to Live." - Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:59:01 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: A Pair Of Dice Message-ID: >Hey, that's mine, I said a couple weeks ago! :) I guess nobody thought it >was >funny because not a damn thing was said about it. What the hell are you talking about? I saw quite a few responses. I think that's actually saying :) Brian, The Damn Tye-Dyer Maker's Eve! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:31:07 -0500 (EST) From: SaVeur To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Kevin Moore's WWW Site Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Pat Daugherty wrote: > Anyopne else think his web site was really wierd and somewhat annoying? not really weird or annoying. he's an artist. what do you expect? i kinda liked it; it being the site and the songs. and of course i'll get the demo jus' cuz Mark's on it :] j o h n j j e n s @ g m u . e d u e n s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s / ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Charone Frankel To: email_address_removed Subject: Pull Me Under ending Message-ID: At the end of Pull Me Under James is singing "Oh that this too, too solid flesh would melt" It's from Hamlet, you know the part where he's in the graveyard acting like a lunatic as usual "Alas, poor Yorick, blah blah blah" That part It's in the FAQ I hope I don't sound like I'm knocking Shakespeare. I'm just really tired. <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<* <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<* @ .. @ /\_/\ (----) Charone Frankel ( o.o ) ( >__< ) > - < "Death is the first dancing turrtellle!!!" -James LaBrie "Where's your sense of humor, man?" -Bart Simpson <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<* <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:25:51 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: PMU!!! Message-ID: I was perusing the jam this afternoon, and to my shock, they began playing Pull Me Under. This is the same station that plays (pardon my language) Nirvana, Green Day, Bush, Offspring... I was excited enough that (luckily, no one else was home) I turned all five radios in the house way up and ran from room to room, enjoying the stereo and echoing effects it produced. If you ever get the chance (yeah, right) try it... It's a good way to make the most of a once in a lifetime occurance. Feyd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:04:44 -0400 From: Daniel McCormack To: YtseJam ML Subject: ACOS Tab Message-ID: Hey there fellow guitarists! I would like to propose an idea: a collective effort to transcribe ACOS. I'm sure many of you have at least figured out some parts, as I have, so let's put them together and see what's left, then let's tab that. I know that OLGA is currebtly down due to legal problems (check out http://www.olga.net/closed.html for info if you didn't know) but this is a service to the YtseCommunity. Later, if and when EMI leaves OLGA alone, one of us can upload it to OLGA. Let me know if I should write out the parts I know, and if we should do this via the list or private e-mail (privately would save bandwith, but it'd be more complicated since we'd have to forward around our parts). Ok, I'm done. Let me know. Later, -DMC- -- Daniel McCormack email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words. "Whad'ya mean I ain't kind? Just not your kind." - Megadeth, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? ___ ___ ___________________________/ \___________/ \__ / __ ____ __ __ __ __ . / __ __ __ _/_ /\ / /_// / // / / | / / /_ /_/ / / /_/ / / / / /_ / / //__ @ /__ /__/|/ / /__//_ ./ / /_ / / / /_________________________________________________/ / dmc \_________________________________________________\/ 1996 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:06:42 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@ax.com, metropolis@arastar.com Subject: CD dubs of Mike Bahr's SUBCONSCIOUS Message-ID: Just a quick note before the big mess to follow. If you send a money order I can mail the disc out without delay (usually 1 or 2 days after recieving payment). With a check I must wait 10 business days after I deposit it in order for my bank to tell me if it has cleared. I don't mind doing this but if you want it ASAP send a money order. :^) A quick way to order is to go to Jeff Chew's Home Page "Dream Theater's: Lifting Shadows" Thanks again Jeff! This page rules I was on it for almost two hours reading all the interviews and stuff! Just do it and prepare to be dazzled! :^) While you are there make sure you order Mike Bahr's current CD's, each release is better than the last so don't miss out on the original! http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html Fellow YTSEJAMMERS sit down before you hurt yourselves. Yes it is true I can make you a copy of SUBCONSCIOUS on CD. Now before you mess yourself understand that this is a COPY and it is not an original from some secret stock pile. :^) It WILL sound exactly the same as the original. It WILL NOT look exactly the same as the original. It WILL cost the same as the original. $25 U.S. Additional postage: USA free Canada / Mex $1.00 US Scandinavia $3.00 US Europe / UK $4.00 US Japan $5.00 US Aus/NZ/etc. $5.00 US Track List 1. Eve (5:21) Live at the Limelight, New York City 3/4/93. 2. A Change of Seasons (19:19) Same as above. 3. O Holy Night (4:10) W/ Charlie Dominici 4. Carry That Weight/Golden Slumbers (6:13) 1988 W/ Charlie Dominici. 5. Don't Look Past Me (6:21) Majesty demo W/ John Hendricks. 6. Wanted: Dead or Alive (5:08) Spoof of the Bon Jovi song. 7. To Live Forever (acoustic) (4:54) From James LaBrie's vocal audition. 8. The Gorilla Session (excerpts) (2:59) Early Petrucci noodling. 9. Mission: Impossible Theme (1:17) 10. The Back Pain Jam (5:07) (RPM Warehouse) 10/25/94 Toronto, Canada 11. The Awake Heavy Jam (3:51) 12. Experimental (1:23) John Myung noodling. 13. Tears (3:09) Rush cover from Ronnie Scotts "Uncovered" London, 1-31-95 14. Winter (2:23) A Tori Amos cover, also from Ronnie Scotts "Uncovered". 15. Mystery track Compiled and Prodced by Mike Bahr, email_address_removed March, 1995 I have received permission from Mike to do this and my intent is not to compete with him. I am doing this because I realize that there are a number of Jammers that missed out on SUBCONSCIOUS and I would like to help. > A note from Mike: > Hi everyone! I can't make any more, you're all well aware of >that. It seems like what Jim's doing here is a decent enough project... I >don't even know how he's going to cover costs because I barely did when I >was using much less expensive recording media. If you missed out on >Subconscious, this is your chance to at least get a CD copy of it. It >won't be the original, numbered, valuable collectible, but it will be the >same music on CD and that sure beats cassettes! :) For the record, as the >original creator of Subconscious, I give my blessing for this project to >go forward, and he might do Acoustic Dreams later; who knows! > >MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, email_address_removed/email_address_removed Here is how I would like to work it. If you would like to order please copy and paste this into a reply with your info: SUBCONSCIOUS ORDER NAME: ADDRESS: E-MAIL: # of COPIES: I will e-mail the first 25 people and ask that they send a money order in $U.S. I will accept a check but I must wait until it clears the bank, so this means your order will take longer to get to you. When I finish with these I will move on to the next 25 and so on. This way you don't have to part with your hard earned money so far in advance of receiving your shipment. If you don't have the money now you may ask to be put on the WAIT order list. What this means is I will WAIT for you to e-mail me when you are able to send the money and I will then put you in the next block. I ask that people do this so I know in advance how many blank CD's I need to purchase. To serve and to PROGRESS Jim Colberg email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:40:08 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Matt Mommaerts) To: email_address_removed Subject: Metal Genre definitions on the WWW Message-ID: >Speed metal, Doom metal, Death metal, Thrash, Rock, Metal, Hard Rock, >Rock-n-Roll, Industrial, Techno, Prog-rock, Prog-metal, Ambient... >What do they all mean? > >Somewhere on the web, I know there's a page that has definitions of about 20 or >so of these different kinds of music out there. Of course, that's just one >person's opinion of what's up, but hey, it's better than nothing. > >But my point is, I thought of a cool idea someone could put on their web page. > >If you have a huge music collection and are in touch with these words and what >they mean, why not put a page together with music SAMPLES of each different >type of music. So for say, Speed metal, put the quintessential 40 or so >seconds that defines (in your mind) what speed metal is. (Of course, people >will be hounding you, saying you're full of shit and stuff, but that's >expected. Learn to use the DEL key, and you'll be fine.) But wouldn't that be >cool? So when someone says that they're into Doom metal, you at least have a >clue as to what it sounds like. > >If such a page exists, LET US KNOW ABOUT IT!!! If not, give it a try. I >would, but I'm afraid my CD collection just isn't massive enough. > >If you bother trying, use a LOT of different categories. Not just "Rock", >"Jazz", "Blues", etc. We basically get the gist of those already. > >Just thought I'd throw this idea out into the ring to see if anyone reacts to >it. Any takers? Well, I have some space on my WWW server for my "mosh Pit" home page, but I'd at least like to put a written definition of these Genres on the page, and some band examples.. I have enough CD's (1700+) for the samples part... I'd love some help in this (for definition writing) or something... Please E-Mail me privately with your definitions or any suggestions.... :-) Matt email_address_removed Personal Home Page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo WORT-FM Mosh Pit page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1359 **************************