YTSEJAM Digest 1356 Today's Topics: 1) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/17/96 - 22:37:03" 2) I'm back... by Jaime Kimpton 3) thought industry, 3/16/96 @batcave, nyc by email_address_removed 4) Shadow Gallery by Jaime Kimpton 5) I found the Status Seeker promo CD!!! by email_address_removed 6) Only one post this time? No way! (Actually DTC!) by email_address_removed 7) Empires Faded by Partha Mukhopadhyay 8) Re: I found the Status Seeker promo CD!!! by The One Who Helps to Set the Sun 9) WDADU... by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 10) Why DT can never get a lot of radio play. by email_address_removed (Heath) 11) I'm back:( by "Jill M. Lentchner" 12) We're back by email_address_removed (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) 13) Hi everyone! CD INFO! by Michael Bahr 14) ===>> *Fantastic* FREE offer I discovered on the 'net by email_address_removed1.ub.ac.in (Shyamala Raperjee) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:37:48 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/17/96 - 22:37:03" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 22:37:42 GMT on 17 Mar 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:57:35 -0400 From: Jaime Kimpton To: email_address_removed Subject: I'm back... Message-ID: message_id_removed 22 Jams in 9 days while I was home on break. Jesus H. Roosevelt Christ! (with a nod to Diana Gabaldon) At least there's only been one Jam per day in the past couple days, but I'm going to be here for an hour just reading. I figured I might as well get this out of the way while I'm here. FANZINE UPDATE! I'm workin' on it, I'm workin' on it!!! I think I may finally be all set for this issue, and now that I have an ink cartridge for my printer, all that remains is to have some photos scanned and layout and printing and all that fun stuff. However, as will be noted in the issue itself, I have decided to decrease the number of issues to four a year instead of six, and that's less you'll have to hear from me asking for submissions. ;) To those of you whom I still owe back issues, I'm workin' on that, too. You'll get 'em, I promise; I'm just trying to keep my head above water right now, which is why I decreased the issue numbers in the first place. I have a question. While I was home, I got a letter from a guy who sent me some information on a Dream Theater fan club in the Netherlands. The promo stuff he sent me looked pretty well done and professional, but I've never heard anything about it before now; I'm only familiar with other DT zines in France, Germany, Italy, and Japan. Do any of you Dutch Jammers have the scoop on this before I write to them for more information? Jaime the Dragon, who will return to IRC soon... muhahahaha "It was there, I was there... it seemed like the thing to do at the time!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:05:15 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: thought industry, 3/16/96 @batcave, nyc Message-ID: hi there. just wanted to fill you guys on the fun little trip i took to go see a band some of us know- thought industry. they played at the batcave, which is a really freaky industrial/gothic club. i mean, guys with more makeup than the girls, and girls all over other girls...........jeez! but anyway, i got the chance to talk to herb ledbetter, the new bassist for a long time. really cool guy. we talked a lot about what the band is up to now, and the tour, old stuff, his eyes lit up when i mentioned frank zappa (even freakier, over the pa system, they played a punk version of "ring of fire", which zappa covered as well, and both our eyes became saucer-like). umm, i talked to the rest of the guys as well, i met some girl from metal blade, too. but definitely hanging out with the new guy was too cool. at about 1:45 they went on. there weren't a lot of people there, unfortunately, but they played a pretty good set. a lot of their new stuff, and some oldies, including "cornerstone." they also played some new NEW songs, which as herb put it, "it's the end of the songs for insects days." but they're still pretty cool, so i thought. when they were done, i was talking to brent oberlin (singer), and i mentioned that their band is mentioned occassionally on the jam, and he said he'd try to check it out (cool!!!!!!). he also told me that thought industry played WITH dt about 2 years ago in nyc (limelight, i think he said- DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS? PLEASE SEE ME IF YOU DO!), to which i wet my pants upon fantasization of the thought. but all in all, a good night, and they gladly helped make my "outer space" cd a collector's item by signing it. cool guys. i hope they kick ass. anyways, on to other things. umm, in case you're either new or been hiding under a rock, i have a transcription of wfs if anyone's interested in it. i won't bother with details, so email if you want info on how to obtain a copy. also, i have about 9-10 cd's that i'd like to get rid of. they're all in perfect condition- i just don't listen to them anymore, and i feel bad letting them sit and collect dust. again, if you're looking for some cd's at good prices, email me, and we talk. well, i guess that's about it. so like love ya, and stuff. love, hate and the digital man mounted atop a black steed named "pinto", ...........he didn't ask, and won't i presume, so what the fuck, right? david, "dennis hurley" kobayashi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:46:55 -0400 From: Jaime Kimpton To: email_address_removed Subject: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: message_id_removed Oops, that wasn't the end of it! Jonathan Byrne wrote: << >Jammers, > Just picked up Carved in Stone at Graywhale. Does anybody know why >they deleted the even numbered songs on the cover? The only even >number song is #8 all the rest are skipped. When you listen to the whole disc, pay close attention. There are little interludes between each major cut, and those are on the even numbered tracks. Freaked me out for a while, too. >> I asked Carl Cadden-James about this a couple weeks ago, and he said Magna Carta wanted it done that way in an attempt to make the songs more radio-friendly. I'm assuming this means that the "interludes," as such, would end up being cut out anyway if they *were* played on the radio. He said "Ghostship" was divided up into its individual "parts," and then the 20th track is a bonus cut. This CD rules. If you can find it, get it. Period. And Hairball said: << Jaime has told me that every once in a while, someone keeps asking where I am. Whoever this person is, please stop - she threatened to kill ME because of it. >> Hey! He's lyin' about me again! I did NOT threaten to kill him! ...at least, I don't think so. It's hard keeping track of all those multiple personalities of mine, and sometimes they do things I don't approve of. Jaime the Dragon, who's going to hide in a very deep hole if Air Dance and Bafu get hitched... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 18:01:23 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: I found the Status Seeker promo CD!!! Message-ID: Hi everyone! I just wanted to let you know that while reading through the posts on alt.music.dt a couple weeks ago, I came across a post where some guy was offering Status Seeker promo CD singles - yes this *is* the remix!!! These promos are *very* difficult to come by, but this guy had a bunch of them. At any rate, he was selling them for $20 a piece which I thought was too good to be true, so I emailed him to see what I could find out. Turns out that he is involved in radio (and therefore wants to remain anonymous) and that he came across a box of the SS CDs (I think through a friend). Nonetheless, he has been in this business for a long time (15 years I think) and regularly has ads in Goldmine under the name "H. Hits". Those of you who are interested in getting this rare piece of DT history can contact him at email_address_removed I myself do *not* know him personally and took the risk in sending him a check for $20 - needless to say, a week and a half later, my copy of SS arrived in the mail, so he is *not* a rip off artist. One last thing - he does *not* have any copies of the Afterlife promo - I already asked him, so don't bother asking! :) Anyway, just thought I'd share that info with you all. Again, you want to contact email_address_removed - don't contact me! I'm a satisfied customer and nothing more - nuff said. Scott Hansen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:38:15 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Only one post this time? No way! (Actually DTC!) Message-ID: Ok, all you AOL jammers (110 at last check!), it's time to actually put our waste of money on AOHell to good use. I liked the idea of trying to get DT played on eMpTyV. But, I haven't seen Yack on since the summer (then again, I don't watch much eMpTyV because I don't have it here in ARKVILLE!). Does anyone know when the yack is usually televised? I would like the names of anyone who is interested in trying to do this (George? Rob? Koba? AIR DANCE?). Of course, the chances of more than a couple of us getting in is small, but it doesn't hurt to try. Please e-mail me privately and I will make a list. Brian, The Damn Tye-Dyer Maker's Eve! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:43:18 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: email_address_removed Subject: Empires Faded Message-ID: about BMG and Empire....as of last September (when my cassette finally gave out), BMG did not carry Empire (so I quit the club).... James Bako: way the hell back when, you mentioned the new arena in Montreal, and called it the "Molson Center".....GET IT STRAIGHT! It is the "Molson CENTRE" (or have i been watching Hockey Night in Canada too long?) Just recovering from the influenza....this came to me in the haze of a 103.8 degree fever..... (To the tune of Innocence faded, the "Until the circle breaks" part Until the Fever breaks and wellness lies ahead the faithful live abed covers drawn up to their necks there was a bit more, but I can't remember it right now....i might have wrote it down (but for your sake, i'm hoping i didn't) partha mukhopadhyay p.s.: new favorite part of the Birch Hill tape: the guy trying to explain the "Please don't go" story as ACoS begins " 'Why'd they take it out? Why'd they take it out' " ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:07:42 -0600 (CST) From: The One Who Helps to Set the Sun To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: I found the Status Seeker promo CD!!! Message-ID: I just got my promo today. Looks good. It's still sealed and everything. How rare are these? Ed WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ DT: http://isr0939.urh.uiuc.edu/dt/dt.htm BOOTLEGS: http://isr0939.urh.uiuc.edu/boots.htm ------------------------------------------ You walk into a room to find only a  dead man, shot through the head, a  table, and fifty-three bicycles on  the floor. What happened? ------------------------------------------ - finger email_address_removed - - for the answer - ------------------------------------------   On Sun, 17 Mar 1996 email_address_removed wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I just wanted to let you know that while reading through the posts on > alt.music.dt a couple weeks ago, I came across a post where some guy was > offering Status Seeker promo CD singles - yes this *is* the remix!!! These > promos are *very* difficult to come by, but this guy had a bunch of them. > > At any rate, he was selling them for $20 a piece which I thought was too good > to be true, so I emailed him to see what I could find out. Turns out that he > is involved in radio (and therefore wants to remain anonymous) and that he > came across a box of the SS CDs (I think through a friend). Nonetheless, he > has been in this business for a long time (15 years I think) and regularly has > ads in Goldmine under the name "H. Hits". Those of you who are interested in > getting this rare piece of DT history can contact him at email_address_removed > I myself do *not* know him personally and took the risk in sending him a check > for $20 - needless to say, a week and a half later, my copy of SS arrived in > the mail, so he is *not* a rip off artist. > > One last thing - he does *not* have any copies of the Afterlife promo - I > already asked him, so don't bother asking! :) Anyway, just thought I'd share > that info with you all. Again, you want to contact email_address_removed - don't > contact me! I'm a satisfied customer and nothing more - nuff said. > > Scott Hansen > email_address_removed > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 17:27:18 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: WDADU... Message-ID: <9603180127.AA13528@tengs1> > Subject: Wuh-Dah-Du > > Wasn't WDADU supposed to be re-released already? according to "The Wall" it > is still out of print. I already have it, but I think a couple of friends > were looking for it. > > Brian, The Damn Tye-Dyer Maker's Eve! I saw non-import copies at the local CD store at least a month ago. > Apology accepted, Captain Needa, uh, I mean, Matt. No hard feelings here > either. Cool! I love the Star Wars references that have been popping into the 'jam lately. Zach ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 21:33:37 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Heath) To: email_address_removed Subject: Why DT can never get a lot of radio play. Message-ID: As I was getting up today, I was listening to the radio. My local radio station always play 5 songs in a row and then goes to commercial. Anyway, as I was opening my eyes they were starting a new set. I got out of bed about 15 minutes later. But to my surprise the 5th song was already ending and they were already going to commercial. At that moment it occured to me that Dream Theater would never get any air play anywhere because radio stations don't care about music that much. All they really care about is money. How else do they get money without commercials?? The 2-3 minute alternacrap songs are a perfect formula for them becuase they know that they can keep most of the general public happy with their 5 songs and get away with more commercial revenue. I truely believe that Dream Theater will never get that much air play unless they actually (please don't kill me for this) sell out a little. They would need the shorter length type of songs. Not in a million years would I want that to happen and I don't think DT would do anything like that anyway. But I do find it a shame that radio and MTV alike both most likely use that formula on what they play or not. OK...I just had to get that off my chest and I wasn't in the mood to talk about this on IRC tonight and just had to post in general. I'll speak to you guys later and see you on IRC. Heath Augustover ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 22:31:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Jill M. Lentchner" To: email_address_removed Subject: I'm back:( Message-ID: Well guys, spring break is over here in Syracuse but something happened on it that I need your help about. On the bus on the way home last Friday I ended up sitting next to another DT fan. We started talking and found this. He is a student at Lafyette and told me he had a friend who was on the jam. Unfortunately we didn't exchange names though and he wanted me to contact this guy. So....if you are a Lafyette student who is friends with a six foot Spanish guy with a tongue ring and a long afro who plays drums and sings please email me. Thanks. BTW, in light of the dancing turtle, has any ever heard "I was blinded by a pair of dice" in ACos? Just wondering:) Ytse-Quazel = Ben Schmirt Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:53:53 EST From: email_address_removed (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) To: email_address_removed Subject: We're back Message-ID: What's up jammers? Me and the Mojoman just got back from Cancun, Mexico. Whoa what a blast. Only problem was Dream Theater withdrawl. We had to share his walkman all week and went through several sets of batteries. While I was down there I had on my " AWAKE " shirt and one of the natives asked what was Dream Theater was. I sat him down and explained to him that they were the best band out there. He actually was interested. Who knows,maybe I found another convert. Oh yeah I got engaged while I was down there to the most spectacular woman in the world so everyone else keep your hands off. She goes to Georgetown law so if you see her say this to her " SENOR CAHILL, DONDE ESTA TU CLOTHING " and she'll know your a friend of Gandalfs Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:14:18 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Hi everyone! CD INFO! Message-ID: Hi everyone! I am CCing this to Metropolis AND Ytsejam because it contains pertinent info about the Limited Edition CDs that I think most will want to know. I'll try to keep additional chatter to a minimum here. Latest word on Antiquities is: FIVE MORE DAYS! Yup, the printing shop will be 2-day freighting the discs to me between 3/20 and 3/22. I will begin shipments immediately upon receiving them. For those not yet familiar with my manufacturing process, I create the CDs myself locally, at the CD plant using a rented optics press. Then I send them to a printing plant to be painted, then the liners printed, then the jewelcases assembled completely, and sent back to me. Hence the delay. WDATU! The second half of the WDATU CDs should be here by month's end. They were delayed (very much to my irritation) by the printing folks, I should have had them a month ago. This covers #501-1000. I am particularly sorry for this because I had intended to deliver special-request CD numbers on time with the order, and not this much later, as it's turning out. Scenes From A Memory! Is being made now. Look for it in late April or early May. Critical Mass is the next thing in the barrel, so to speak. I'll be accepting orders for it when I'm ready to begin making it. A NEW CD UPDATE is due tomorrow, probably. I'll make sure it's spammed all over the place so nobody misses it. :) It should have the Scenes number list in it. MAIL! I came back from Spring Break friday to find my mailbox had 190+ messages in it... I'm working on that now. If you don't hear from me for a few days yet, don't panic; I fully intend to reply ASAP. :) Anyone who is interested in obtaining the Internet-only Limited Edition CDs, feel free to e-mail me at any time or check the Lifting Shadows web page. There is a correction I must make to some of the web pages.. a few are listing all the CDs as available. Subconscious, Acoustic Dreams, and Cygnus are most definitively SOLD OUT. I'm literally out of them except my own personal copies. Jim Colberg sent me a version of his Subconscious re-issue, and I'm happy with it. I think it may become a collector's item itself eventually. :) Take care everyone! And drink hard liqueurs such as Vodka, Golschlager, Jagermeister, and Baileys in favor of beer or Cognac/JD. You'll have less painful and fewer hangovers. I speak from experience. :) MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, email_address_removed/email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 21:33:06 +0530 From: email_address_removed1.ub.ac.in (Shyamala Raperjee) To: email_address_removed1.ub.ac.in Subject: ===>> *Fantastic* FREE offer I discovered on the 'net Message-ID: -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of the info request form below. IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY: Please make sure you return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the actual form below. If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.* This is necessary in order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that they get daily. Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* if your fax: 1. has a cover page; 2. is more than one page 3. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form 4. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form. 5. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only* with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard). 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If you do not have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you until you do have one. If you saw this message, then you should have one. :) ---> SORRY, BUT NO HANDWRITTEN FORMS WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED. MUST BE TYPED-OUT ON YOUR COMPUTER OR TYPEWRITER. <--- Name: Internet email address: Smail home address: City-State-Zip: Country: Work Tel. #: Work Fax #: Home Tel. #: Home Fax #: How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of the internet that you saw us mentioned in): Referral by: Shyamala Raperjee. 031796-l Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store: Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail: Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you: Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"): *------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------* Catalogue Format Options: 1. 19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total). 2. For more advanced computer users: attached text file ~525K - you must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to open it with your word processor. If in doubt, don't ask for this version. This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1 and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how to deal with this option. 3. For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea), ~133K. Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed. You just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as you still have to know how to deal with an attached file. It will cut your download time by 75%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. 4. For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with Stuffit(tm), ~114K. Can be decompressed by any computer user who has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files. This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your download time by 78%. Expands out to the same ~525K file in option #2. See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do. Hi fellow 'netters, My name is Shyamala Raperjee and I recently started using a magazine subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them. They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country on a subscription basis. As for computer magazines from the USA, they more of a selection than I ever knew even existed. They have magazines for most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles. Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their competitors and even the publishers themselves. This is their price guarantee. 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(Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. 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