YTSEJAM Digest 1340 Today's Topics: 1) The Mirror by email_address_removed 2) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/10/96 - 20:41:08" 3) Re: Metallica and Soundgarden by email_address_removed (Craig Francis Moran) 4) YtseCon possible changes... by Jeff Chew 5) Re: Gary Hoey by email_address_removed (Craig Francis Moran) 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1337 by email_address_removed 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1338 by email_address_removed 8) JPM100P2 / MP / BH by SaVeur 9) Stuff...and Sig Wars.... by email_address_removed (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) 10) My old post by email_address_removed 11) Radio Stations by email_address_removed (RipZero ) 12) Re: Psychiatrist by email_address_removed (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) 13) Macs/Prince/Scott Cook by email_address_removed 14) Winter Rose by "Richard A. Rivera" 15) Bad trader by email_address_removed (MR JAN-MICHAEL SOUTER) 16) HI by email_address_removed 17) DT in arenas? by email_address_removed 18) Those shadow figures!! by "Devil's Plaything" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:37:50 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: The Mirror Message-ID: It was my belief that "The Mirror" was about an individual (the narrator -- Mike Portnoy???) who cheats on his wife/girlfriend and then looks back on it remorsefully and thankful that she (the wife/girlfriend) has taken him back. Read the lyrics to the song again with my theory in mind... it makes a lot of sense. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:41:55 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/10/96 - 20:41:08" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 20:41:50 GMT on 10 Mar 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:56:57 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Craig Francis Moran) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Metallica and Soundgarden Message-ID: I apologize for the non-DT content, but I just read something in one of the digests that bothered me. It was the reference to this year's Lollapalooza and what will happen when the metal crowd meets the "alternative" crowd. It really disturbs me that Soundgarden is being considered alternative. Now, I'm not one for catagorizing musical artists in the first place (and I'm sure that I'm opening myself up to all kinds of flames), but, if Soundgarden is going to be catagorized, I would rather people realize that they are more hard rock or metal than alternative. All you have to do is listen to "Badmotorfinger" to tell that. I know that they don't really want to be looked at any one way, which is why each album is different. And from what I've heard of the new album, this one will be different from it's predecessors, too. later craig "Find all you need in your mind/If you take the time" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:57:40 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Chew To: YtseCon III Staff , email_address_removed, Subject: YtseCon possible changes... Message-ID: Dear guys, Hey there! I'm at home right now, and I hate to say this, but I wasn't able to get to Derek's house, but he is definitely aware of what is going on. Anyways, I do have his phone number, so I'll give him a call soon. One possible change I might make....I might make the ytsecon at the end of August, so I'll have time to work with the New Jersey Convention Bureau plus make plans with my dad's friend who is a travel agent, he'll be able to make package deals with the airlines/hotel/convention center/etc. Also, sooner or later I'll start shopping for sponsers. The reason I want to make these changes is that I want to make this thing BIG, I mean REALLY BIG. The good thing about having the convention at the end of August is that the band will be coming out with their new album at that time. This will be a good way for them to promote their album, and I'll have more time to make this thing really big. This will be good for them, as well as any other Dream Theater fan who would like to see them. So, if this thing actually happens the way I want it too, everyone will get something out of it. Phil, you mentioned that it would be better if it were near Penn Station. THe problem that I'm most concerned about regarding that is "money". It'll be a lot cheaper in New Jersey, and it's is still pretty convenient to have it out there, even though it'd be great to have it in the city. But, I think that it's still a great idea, if we had the money. Hey, what do you expect from a bunch of college guys? =) So, I think a couple of more months to plan this plus be able to work with management, travel agent, convention bureau, hotels, convention center, things will turn out better and more according to plan. This would be great if the convention was like a week before the release date of their album. I'll try to contact people and make calls starting tomorrow, unless you guys want me to change everything and leave it at the end of June. But, in my opinion, the end of August will be better. Let me know! Yours, Jeff =) P.S. I might have to start dividing the work a lot more (i.e. someone call Convention people, management, travel agent, etc.) I'll definitely work with management and the travel agent, unless someone else would like to take one of those responsibilities? =) <*> Jeff Chew <*> email_address_removed <*> (212) 853-6952 <*> <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309 <*> <*> Lifting Shadows : http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*> "Lifting Shadows Off a Dream once broken, she can turn a drop of water into an ocean" -- John Myung, Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:01:17 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Craig Francis Moran) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Gary Hoey Message-ID: Yep, it came out. It's called "Ho Ho Hoey." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:08:12 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1337 Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-10 12:30:34 EST, you write: >Okay. I bite. Where do you hear Innocense Faded? i can't believe no one has >mentioned the most obvious one of all: 4:04 (just after The Silent Man riff: >What is it? ITS THE CAUGHT IN A WEB CHORUS! duh :) As to other sings in other >songs? How about Wait For Sleep in Learning to Live? Um, hello? I mentioned Caught in a Web in digest 1333. Where have you been? :) As for other songs in other songs, Pull Me Under is in TTT at about 3:xx (It might be some other time, I don't remember right now.) in one of JP's solos. The chord is slightly different, but the general sound is there. Bogie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:08:13 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1338 Message-ID: In a message dated 96-03-10 12:38:05 EST, you write: >>1:23 - 1:42 Voices >I don't see how you get Voices out of this. > >> (I think the keyboard part after the 1:42 solo might >>be Voices too) >I can't even hear the keys on this part! The combination of keyboard and guitar play the intro to Voices at 1:23 to 1:42. The sound is more harsh than the mellow tone JP plays at the Voices intro. But, if you listen, it's the same progression in melody. Then, there is a guitar solo. Then, from 2:11 to 2:39, there is a part where the piano plays the main melody, and this, (IMO), sounds very "Voices"-ish. Bogie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:11:13 -0500 (EST) From: SaVeur To: email_address_removed Subject: JPM100P2 / MP / BH Message-ID: howdy fellow 'Jammers, 3. i was glancing through a mailer i got from a music retailer and noticed he has JPM100P2's. doesn't have the prive listed though. call 1.800.786.7302 (US only). CMY NOTICE: i am in no way connected to or affiliated w/ this retailer. nor have i ever purchased anything from him. yer on yer own. 2. and speaking of Zenabi, ain't that new SDGR5005 sweet?? where's $1300 when i need it? 1. Mike Portnoy was mentioned in an article about Billy Sheehan in the April BASS Player. It was something in reference to the Rush tribute. 0. got a copy of the Birch Hell shows (tanx Mike!). one word: fuckinggreat. it's funny to hear the front rows groan after James says "are you ready for some webbage?" hehehe i was in it. i remember. Lie was *really* slowed down live. my guitarist thinks i'm hearing things (then again, what do guitarist know about tempo? hahaha ;) but it's defly slower than on Awake. the electric version of Silent Man is pretty kool. the "PDG!" in ACoS roolz. all 2k+ ppl screaming TTT is neat when everyone's in key. "why the fuck did i come here tonite?" ahhh...the memories and scars... -john j o h n j j e n s @ g m u . e d u e n s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s / ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 16:43:46 EST From: email_address_removed (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: email_address_removed Subject: Stuff...and Sig Wars.... Message-ID: In regards to the Symbol guy who used to be Prince....he used to be compared to Jimi Hendrix all the time in guitar mags. That was a Long Time Ago, though. I'm Also In COMPLETE agreement with Bafu in regards to Non-DT content. I just saw another list that I'm on go to S$$T because too many people got pissy about content. Dream Theater is between albums...and there's not a helluva lot to be said right now. Unless of course, you WANT this list to degenerate into blatherings consisting of... 1) They're great. 2) No, you s%%thead, they're fuckin' great! 3) I'm a lurker and I Agree with everything... 4) YES...We've FINALLY DONE IT!!! We've successfully dissected every microsecond of every DT cd in existence...and have found all those pesky production errors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, when's the next one due???? (Big self congratulatory slap on the back!!!) (Grin folks, I'm just kiddin') PUH-LEEZE!!!! This list is great. Let's keep it that way!!!! As far as the YtseCons are concerned....maybe folks should get together and make some long term plans. Spread 'em around abit. This year, Vegas and Jersey...Next year Chicago, San Fran and New York....etc....then maybe a few of us that aren't doing so well financially at the moment could make some concrete plans to SAVE enough money to make it to one! The Colorado Scene....Actually, Cory, you might be too young to remember this...but back in the '80s there were a few good bands around...and a surprising number were Progressive. That was Yesterday though.... Sig wars.....what's a good war without a Viking horde to mix things up abit????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Cat * (__________)(___________) * * )))))))))))|((((((((((( * * )))))))))))|((((((((((( * )))))))))))|((((((((((( * ) * )))))))))))|((((((((((( * {(\ )))))))))))|((((((((((( / ((\\ ("""""""""""|""""""""""") // * \\\ {{{{{{{{{{{{{|{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ /// \\\\000000000000000000000000000000/// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)/)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\)\ Time has come The dawn shall see us off again Glory rides The stars shall be our watching guide --Shadow Gallery-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:06:33 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: My old post Message-ID: Date sent: 10-MAR-1996 16:04:17 Thanks Bafu for re-posting one of my classic posts! You didn't have to disguise my address, either. If there was a Hell, there would be a cold day in it before I would refuse credit for my words of wisdom. Thanks again, and will you marry me instead of Airdance? ;) ________________________________________________________________________________ Deb "The Doublebass Goddess and Aspiring Recording Engineer" Seeger University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh Class of 1996 email_address_removed "I think most people believe in God...just in case." - Marc Maron ________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:29:59 -0800 From: email_address_removed (RipZero ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Radio Stations Message-ID: >Well, my local station, called "Pure Rock Alternative" constantly >plays VH, Ozzy, Metallica, P Floyd, Down, occasionally Anthrax, so >there you have it damn. We kinda had/have the opposite problem down here. We got a station that claims to be "Real Rock Radio" yet i'm constantly hearing all this other crap, you can guess. Anyways me and a bud called up a dj and asked if she could play some DT. (Theres yer DT content:) She told us she loves DT but she doesnt decide what goes on the air. ?! ok i can understand they need to play "whats popular" a little so they can make some dough, but it was getting really bad for a while. We started calling up their comments line and bitching at them every so often. I stopped listening to the radio COMPLETELY for the last several months. To my surprise when i flipped it on today on the way to pick up some lumber I heard old Van Halen! As well as some other cool stuff including this one collective soul song i really dug. Things are starting to look better guys, keep a lookout ;) later' ~Rip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 17:50:48 EST From: email_address_removed (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Psychiatrist Message-ID: Paul Wrote >Heh, well I'm a Psychology Major right now and that's what I plan to do >for a living. I feel a need to counsel all of the wakos in this world. >> And, no, "wacko" isn't a technical term. My first patient? Bafu Vai, >of course. I was a psych major once too......I've been noticing more and more Psych majors popping up on the jam. By the way...if you want to be a psychiaTRIST you might want to double major in Biology/Psychology with a minor in Chemistry and then try like hell to keep your grades up there...it sucks but Med schools are sort of picky that way. By the by...you might want to take Chemistry anyway....nothing firm yet...but PsycholoGISTS might be able to prescribe drugs in the future....so if you want to be able to do so....get a good grasp of Psychopharmacology (whew) NOW. Compulsory musical content.....I caught the Testament/Annihilator tour a few years back.....AWESOME. Testament was tight..tight...tight despite being forced to perform in of all things a ROLLERSKATING joint! Very nice meet and greet afterwards...and Annihilator was nice enough to share their pizza.....Damn, I wish I still had friends in college radio! Cat ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST......................................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH...................... -STEVEN BRUST ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:44:00 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Macs/Prince/Scott Cook Message-ID: Scott Cook wrote: <<>> I was wondering why he said that. Then he wrote: <<>> Now I know why. Scott-you're certifiable!!! RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:52:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Dream Theater Subject: Winter Rose Message-ID: If anybody has a boot/demo/etc of James's old band Winter Rose could you please e-mail me? I have alot of hard rock stuff to trade. Richie email_address_removed "You've tripped chasing time..." -Harem Scarem ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 19:34:29 EST From: email_address_removed (MR JAN-MICHAEL SOUTER) To: email_address_removed Subject: Bad trader Message-ID: -- [ From: Jan-Michael Souter * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Quoting Pat Daugherty >The update on the bad trader al balkewicz. He hasn't replied to any of my emails >from about a month that I have sent to his new mail address. This address I had to >get from a friend of his (unknowingly to al). It is now way over a year since he >ripped me off for 2 video tapes. > >To those who don't like that I post this to the jam every once in awhile, I DONT >CARE. > > **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed Pat, Keep posting it !!!!! Let those of us see who the bad traders are. There is a guy I'm just about ready to post openly about who has owed me a dub of Ytsecon #1 since last year, but I'm gonna wait just a little bit longer. I sent him a videotape and seven dollars CASH and all I have received from him is about 4 EXCUSES why he hasn't sent me my tape back. First he was in a play and working a lot of overtime. Then his TV fried. Then his VCR fried shortly afterwards. Then he got everything fixed and would send me the tape that week. That last piece of Email I got from him was in early December '95. I've been extremely patient but this is getting rediculous. Just put the two tapes in the vcr's and hit play on one and record on the other and take it to the post office. Done. I didn't think a fellow Ytsejammer would scam me but it looks like that was the case. I just send him another piece of mail this morning so I will wait a week and then if no reply or another bad excuse, I will post his name and maybe that will get him off his ass or at least embarrass him. Anyone else willing to dub me a copy of Ytsecon #1 ?? Jan-Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 20:37:56 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: HI Message-ID: Besides pull my finger..ive got another... "the silent fart" If anyone can work on the lyrics. i just figured lil bit "arrives the slient man" "you smell the silent fart" its gross and stupid but what the hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 20:32:01 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT in arenas? Message-ID: greetings, all. first off, I'd like to apologize for my last post. I'm sure only one peron on the whole 'jam understood the inside joke. I probably came off as just another dumb AOL me-too fuck. But not to worry. When I switch off AOL this summer, I will immediately become 10 times cooler. |^) (sarcastic grin) You'll see a lot of us AOLers switching to local BBS's, all thanks to Mr. Steve "I-think-censoring-the-internet-will-greatly-improve-the morals-of-young-children-in-our-society" Case, who has decided to raise the rates yet again. All you college guys have it made. Finally I get to post, after catching up with the 40+ digests in storage, which for some strange reason I feel obligated to read in order. I've gotten much better at speed reading, though. anyway, enough complaining. ------about that DT/Rush thing- that would certainly be a big step forward for both bands, especially DT. A few years ago, I attended one of those Rush/Primus shows in Peoria, IL, where Rush alone filled a good sized arena.(BTW, any Peoria jammers out there? just curious.) If DT were to tour with Rush, it could mean some larger venues for DT in the US. Just think- in a few years.....BAM! DT at Madison Square Garden! other stuff...... anyone know when the lollapalooza tour dates come out? I'm gonna have to plan my summer schedule around it when it comes to Dallas. about those DT hats- why not design one that just has the majesty symbol on it and nothing else(maybe a quote on the back)? It would certainly get other people to ask what it means, thus introducing them to DT and gathering new fans everywhere! .....then again, maybe not. back to Primus again. Anyone else think their sound is really changing for the worse in the last two albums? They still kick ass, of course, but I just seem to like their old sound better. sorry about all the questions. well, gotta go. -Evil Dead (dave) _ . _ _ _ _ .. _ . _ _ _ _ .. _ . _ _ _ _ .. _ . _ _ _ _ .. ################################/////////////////// "Two in the box.... # ###################### Ready to go.... # # # We be fast...... and # # anger is a gift. # They be slow!!!" # # # ################################ ###################### ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:31:39 -0700 (MST) From: "Devil's Plaything" To: Ytsejam List Subject: Those shadow figures!! Message-ID: <><><><><><><> "Stop your grinnin', and drop your linen!" <><><><><><><> I just read on the 'jam some guys talking about some dudes making shadow dogs, picking noses, etc.., during one of the shows. I don't know where you were, but I was strangling Derek, and making forms on James's shirt during the second El'nGee show over X-mas!!! How about that!! :) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><><><><> THE DEVIL'S PLAYTHING ><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> David Papineau - email_address_removed <><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> We look before and after, and pine for what is not Our sincerest laughter with some pain is fraught Our sweetest songs are those that tell our saddest thought <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1340 **************************