YTSEJAM Digest 1331 Today's Topics: 1) MTV by "Randall W. Aquino" 2) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/06/96 - 23:42:04" 3) Braindance by Charles D Harrison 4) Screwed over by a guy by email_address_removed 5) Queen by email_address_removed (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1329 by Monty Newberry 7) Mo' Misc. Miasma by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi 8) DT's bootlegs by email_address_removed (Corey E Cleary) 9) Shrapnel/Magna Carta by Sean T Gill 10) Yes, Yngwie Rules! by Chris DiGiuseppe 11) C Plus Plus, Head-Banging, & Wedding Bells by Scotch 12) nothing to see here, move along... by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 13) Karri's kwiz, The missing ACOS part by Sean T Gill 14) The Paradise by email_address_removed (Sheila Swanson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:33:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Randall W. Aquino" To: ytsejam Subject: MTV Message-ID: Did you all hear that MTV is going to come out with another cable station that will supposedly focus on "music." I guess even they realize that people do complain about not seeing more music videos. Lets hope that they will offer some programs that will appeal to us ytsejamers musical tastes. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 18:42:53 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/06/96 - 23:42:04" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 23:42:47 GMT on 06 Mar 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:53:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles D Harrison To: Dream Theater Listserve Subject: Braindance Message-ID: Do any other Jammers want to tell me info on Braindance? My roommate tells me that DT reminds him of them. One Jammer wrote me about them but I forget who it was...sorry, thanks though. Charlie P.S. My roommate despises DT by the way, because his mind is narrow. Feel free to flame him. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 18:11:37 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Screwed over by a guy Message-ID: Date sent: 6-MAR-1996 18:07:44 OK, bafu. You compared me to the mighty raptor, so I guess I have to respond... I'm sure there are "screwed over by a guy" songs, but I don't listen to any so I can't give you an example. And I sure as hell wouldn't write one! I've heard enough of everyone's opinion on the matter of "screwed over" songs, so can we just forget I even used those words on the Jam? Hell, this is getting as bad as the gay issue! ________________________________________________________________________________ Deb "The Doublebass Goddess and Aspiring Recording Engineer" Seeger University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh Class of 1996 email_address_removed "I think most people believe in God...just in case." - Marc Maron ________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 19:19:08 EST From: email_address_removed (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: email_address_removed Subject: Queen Message-ID: Regarding Queen...someone wrote about another Queen song being in a movie. I believe the song was "One Vision" or "One World"...or something like that and the movie had alot of jetfighters in it. :) Bafu wrote: >And are there any "screwed over by a GUY" songs out there, or are we all >just sweet, perfect angels? (something tells me I just raised the gate on >the Debbie-cage, like that scene in the beginning of "Jurassic Park.") DebBAITing ARE we? Well, I guess YOU aren't a sweet perfect little angel. Of course, if you were (a sweet perfect little angel) we would probably be forced to despise you, hunt you down and mercilessly whip you with licorice, noodles and such until we cured you of that nonsense. PHZZZT... damn those silly tazers...... Cat ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST......................................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH...................... -STEVEN BRUST ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 08:31:18 -0800 From: Monty Newberry To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1329 Message-ID: > And are there any "screwed over by a GUY" songs out there, or are we all > just sweet, perfect angels? Oh yes there are (unfortunate for us nice guys ;). Have you heard that Allanis Morisette song? Talk about a "screwed over by a guy song." That's only one example. Unfortunately, my mind isn't exactly the clearest at the moment, so I can't think of tto many examples. I do agree about "Lie" baing a "screwed over by a chick" song, though. That's how I've always taken it. I never really took the line about "two more coming" as being about the Second Coming" either. I never took it as being about having children, but that makes more sense to me than the Second Coming idea (especially considering the context of the meaning of the song). Some people just interpret things differently. I just saw Maiden last night in St. Louis, and I must say that it was a friggin' AWESOME show. I waited outside, in the cold (stupid me with no jacket and a short-sleeved T-Shirt) for something like 2 1/2 hours before thye opened the doors, but it was definitely worth the wait. Heck, it was even worth the wait through Fear Factory (I don't really care all that much for them, but that's okay if you do) and some idiots in the crowd. I was no more than 5 feet away from Dave Murray and Steve Harris most of the night. Murray even noticed the Red Dwarf T-Shirt I was wearing and pointed at it with a big grin on his face at one point. Anyway, since this is a DT list and not a Maiden one, i'll shut up about the show, but if any of you all want to talk about it, mail me and we'll chat. God bless you all. Dale R. Newberry P.S. Randall Braun, if you're out there, e-mail me. Our computer crashed and I lost your e-mail address. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi To: email_address_removed Subject: Mo' Misc. Miasma Message-ID: >1. Seventh Son of A seventh Son (by one vote over Powerslave!) >2. Powerslave >3. Somewhere In Time (tie) >3. Number Of The Beast (tie) >4. P. of Mind (tie) > Live After Death (tie) Point of clarification: If two albums are tied for #3, then the next two albums should be tied for #5. >also, primus opened for rush on the "roll the bones" tour. Primus also opened for Rush on the "Counterparts" tour. Les played a riff from "A Passage to Bangkok" in one of the Primus songs in Cleveland. >Just because someone went to Berklee it doesn't mean that they are the >best musicians on the planet. Exactly. Excluding members Dream Theater, how many of your favorite musicians went to Berklee? I could only think of Branford Marsalis, Will Calhoun, and Steve Vai. >P.S. In my opinion, Dream Theater should be up for a Grammy. >The Grammy's need a Best of Progessive category!!! Nah, then Jethro Tull would beat one of my favorite bands again... >Well, I have a little of a dilema before me. I have been accepted to >Berklee for next fall; but I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I >have been looking at North Texas and they offer better scholarship opps >than Berklee does...I just don't know what I should do. Visit both schools. Talk extensively with admissions, financial aid, faculty, and students. I once considered going to Berklee, but I was afraid that if music didn't work out, I'd be screwed. Luckily, I opted to go to a state school, and now I am a political science major. >It is now way over a year since he ripped me off for 2 video tapes. >To those who don't like that I post this to the jam every once in awhile, >I DONT CARE. It's okay, Pat. You've got every right to be pi$$ed. >What first occurs to my mind when I think Ytsecon is the Participation of >the Band. Hmmm, that would be tough, seeing how one of the original members, Richard Manuel, is dead. You might want to ask Robbie Robertson about The Band's participation... >As a savior clause...just because they don't doesn't mean they can, >either. Hey! I already said that in More Misc. Miasma. Prepare to hear from my lawyer... >Only runner up was Mike Bahr, so maybe we should find him a position. >Any suggestions? How about Emperor? Palpatine is not a sufficient Emperor. Or maybe Grand Admiral? The Empire has lacked direction ever since Grand Admiral Thrawn's death. I don't know if Grand Admiral Bahr could commandeer Star Destroyers under the influence, though. Oh well, we need a human as Grand Admiral again... >OK, everyone, to those of you who still have feelings of resentment against >me and want to get out your anger, or you just want to BS with me, I will be >on IRC either Friday night at 8:00 or Saturday at12 noon No offense, Brian, but isn't there anything else better to do on a Friday night? >all music has had an equal representation. (maybe sometimes 'trends' >were weighed more than 'non-trends') Sorry, Mojoman, I'm going to have to disagree with you here. While most music has had an equal representation, not all of it has. When was the last time you saw a black artist on eMpTyV's Unplugged? When was the last time you saw something besides alternative, rap, or bad TV shows on MTV? There are many different types of music out there, and some can only be seen on PBS. Even if there were channels for all types of music, there still wouldn't be equal representation. I'll agree with you on trends, however. Hopefully the current trends will subside soon. Popularity is cyclical anyway. >Warrant's "Cherry Pie" is sophmoric and crude, but a fun assed song! If >you'd bother to listen to their last 2 discs before ranting... Okay, the discussion about various Jammers' musical tastes has been taken care of. A post about Warrant on a "list for fans of Dream Theater, and related topics (related topics include other progressive metal bands)" is absolutely not necessary. >My name's Brandon, and I'm the drummer for Colorado's hottest new progressive rock band - Anthem. (Can you guess who are influences are?) Wow! There' a progressive rock scene in Colorado? What other bands are there? As for your influences, my guess is Francis Scott Key. >First off, does anyone have Faith No More's most recent album? I want >to get it but haven't heard it yet. How does it compare to The Real Thing >and Angel Dust? I bought the album (and then saw them live) because of some of the buzz I read on this list. Get it. I like it better than than Introduce Yourself and the 2 aforementioned albums. It's a really diverse, schizophrenic album. >People...I know the perfect place for the Ytsecon...Panama...After all, it's >equally distant from everywhere in the U.S. Panama's fine, just don't have it in Cuba. >I say screw everyone east of the Continental Divide !>)> Zack, man, you'll be really tired! >I attempt to disgard prejudices concerning music, but I don't see how >ANYBODY who appreciates the music of Dream Theater can listen to the >music of, say, Nirvana, and not want to beat the fuck out of the >idiot-mentality that spawned all of that shit and polluted the radio and >tv airwaves with it for years. I'm sorry, the "I'm angry at the world so >I can act like a retard" punk mentality just doesn't do it for me. If >you want to express anger, do it in a REMOTELY intelligent way... hmm, >Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera... I like DT, King Crimson, Rush, AND Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, and Foo Fighters. I don't see a problem with that. I don't like confining myself to one type of music. If you only listen to one type of music, you'll end up learning everything about nothing. Diversity is the key. As far as metal bands, the "I'm angry at the world so I can act like a retard" punk mentality is exactly what they're about. I don't think I'll find Shakespeare or Ayn Rand references in any metal bands anytime soon. Don't get me wrong, Metallica was a way of life during my junior high years. I can't stand Megadeth (Mustaine sounds like the young girl duck in Darkwing Duck) and Pantera is a bunch of dumb wankers. But that's just my opinion. >Who would want to marry Bafu? ;) How about "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL"? I don't detect any signs of sexual orientation on his/her/its part. >Enter punk, the antithesis of prog. My sentiments exactly. >The concert was spiritually satisfying in a way. I'm a music student >and sometimes when I'm mired under 15 credits of music theory, ear >training, guitar lessons, philosophy, homework, piano, sight singing, >tendonitis bla bla bla, (you get the idea) its easy to forget where I >came from and what I really love doing. No doubt. Concerts are the most cathartic experiences for me. Except when I dislocated my shoulder at a Helmet concert. And don't forget the ear plugs or noise reducers. >"they canceled it for a smashing pumpkins video" :) ...Me being a guitar >player I like listening to very guitar driven music, and thats another >lag of alternative, not to mention have any of them lived past 4 albums???? Let's see, the killers of Headbangers Ball have had more than 4 albums (counting Mellon Collie as 1 album), so have Sonic Youth, so have Soundgarden and countless other alternative acts. >What, I'm a cartoon now? Okay, well just be sure to put me right after >"Dungeons & Dragons," the coolest cartoon ever to grace Saturday mornings. No way, Transformers rocked! There's going to be a new cartoon this fall! >A point to ponder. Food for thought. Sliced cucumbers of ponderance for >the cuisinart of your mind. By far, the tastiest line I've ever read on the 'Jam. Soundcerely, G. Jack Thetgyi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Jack Thetgyi email_address_removed "Any movie with wakka-cha-wakka in it is okay by me." -Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theater 3000 #512: "Mitchell" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:55:29 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Corey E Cleary) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT's bootlegs Message-ID: Can anyone assist me in finding the bootlegs. I'm a HUGE DT fan and Would LOVE to have anything I can get my hands on. I find that IAW was FANTASTIC and AWAKE was REMARKABLE!!! ACOS again was beyond all possible fantasy in music. I can't wait to hear another DT album, bootleg, anything. If there is anyone in the Indianapolis area that enjoys the DT music and would like to play keyboards with a band that's into progressive rock, feel free to e-mail me at: email_address_removed anytime. Later- Corey E. Cleary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:44:27 -0600 (CST) From: Sean T Gill To: email_address_removed Subject: Shrapnel/Magna Carta Message-ID: Doh! I'm a dumbass. I must now try to remove my foot from my mouth. Mike Varney is the contact for both Shrapnel and Magna Carta. Bands can send tapes to Mike himself or to Igor Sinyak (see below). From what Igor has told me, Mike is looking for hybrids of neoclassocal and prog, but I think he'd be open to give anything a listen. TTFN- Sean email_address_removed To: Sean T Gill >Who do I send my tapes to? Mike Varney? You can, if you know his address. Otherwise, send it to me. Igor Sinyak 119 Easy St #3 Mountain View, CA 94043 I'll be taking the tapes I get from this to him. >do you by chance know how I can get in touch with the Magna Carta people? Mike Varney is still the man. :) Ig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 18:59:34 -0800 From: Chris DiGiuseppe To: email_address_removed Subject: Yes, Yngwie Rules! Message-ID: Hey! I hanven't really posted in a while, but today, the spores of Juffo-Wup surge within my tissues and I grow weary of contemplating the meaning of my existance in relationship to Corn Flakes. A discussion ensues: Well, I saw someone post about Yngwie Malmsteen. I'll tell you one thing right now, the guy RULES! I am not pulling a "My Favorite Guitar Player is GOD" thread here, either. I don't know why people dislike his playing. That "He repeats the same riff" argument is a pile of steaming B.S. as well. I mean, would I be right in saying that John Petrucci sucks because "He uses add 9 chords all the time"? Or suggest a lynching of Alex Lifeson because he "Uses that damn groovy rhythmic thing too much?" (These three Masters are, in fact, my favorite players and my musical 'idols') How many people who flaut their "Yngwie Sucks" signs can actually play like him? It's not about speed, either. I mean, if you dedicate yourself and practice like mad, you can get those sextuplets at 120BPM. It's about artistic talent. Yngwie is one of the most talented, creative musicians I've ever heard. So, considering this, the people who criticize Yngwie must either be 1.)Not speaking from experience. (I.E.-They got all they'll ever need to know from reading Guitar World) 2.)Jealous. That's right, jealous. Maybe they tried to play "Far Beyond the Sun" and realized that the man is on a totally different (Higher) level of playing. Don't get me wrong here. I know how it is. You practice and write and practice some more, and you're thinking "I can play ANYTHING!", and then you sit down and try to compare to someone like Petrucci or Malmsteen. And you get your socks knocked off. Take it as a lesson and learn from it, don't shun it away and hate everything. Well, that's my 2 cents on that. Secondly, I saw a post about Type-O-Negative. Yes, the singer is a Gargantuan Mass of Seething Gothic Mayhem. I saw them open for Queensryche. I mean, I'm really not a big fan of their music. In concert, the singer had to grab his larynx and wiggle it with his hand to achieve vibrato! (No shit!) But, they do have a sense of humor. And, finally, one last thing. The Star Control games are the best computer games ever created. I am serious. Right now, you can pick up Star Control I and II on CD for about $15.00. (MS-DOS) If you're a Sci-Fi fan, buy it. And play it like mad. Star Control III is comming out in June. Check it out on your web browser. (Just type 'Star Control III' in the search query). I don't work for Accolade or anything, its just that I know that this list is full of creative people. Many are musicians/artists and we all love DT. And nothing makes me want to go up and write music or listen DT like a good blast of imagination. And that's exactly what these games do, put the right side of the brain into overdrive! Alrighty, see you all later! email_address_removed :::::::::::::::::::::::::::THE FACE OF DESTRUCTION:::::::::::::::::::::::: /\___/\ | \ / | \ o o / | ` | |VVV| |VVV| \___/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:03:13 -0500 From: Scotch To: Happyville Subject: C Plus Plus, Head-Banging, & Wedding Bells Message-ID: Well, I just found out last night that Dream Theater music is extremely conducive to good C++ coding. Any similar experiences? (I don't know if I can speak for plotting marginal-cost curves, though...) Something entirely unrelated... you wouldn't think so, but odd-numbered time signatures and head-banging CAN IN FACT MIX, but only if you really know the song. I saw Pantera on New Year's Eve this past break, and I'll tell you, there's nothing funnier than seeing people try to headbang to the 7/8 verses of "I'm Broken"... first they're on the downbeats, then they find themselves on the upbeats...! They usually end up just sort of shaking their hair around in confusion... But there's a quiet satisfaction in being able to headbang right in time with those odd meters. I keep wondering how I'd handle the beginning of "The Mirror" at a concert. (Or any of the many spots where Portnoy feels the need to slide into 6/8 while the rest of the band plays in 4) BTW, were any Texas Jammers at that Pantera show? Also, my brother and I claim the booty-shaking funk version of "Pull Me Under" and "Lie" for the DT tribute tape, if it ever comes together. I'm personally looking forward to the first Progressive Rap group. Biatch. (Is it possible to grind in 9/8?) > From: email_address_removed > Subject: I think I hear wedding bells!!! > In Ytsejam Digest 1327 on Wed. Mar. 6, 1996 Pat Griffin > asked: > > >Who would want to marry Bafu? ;) > > Me, of course. :) :) :) > > Jennifer > She-Bafu? Scott. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 17:12:23 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: nothing to see here, move along... Message-ID: <9603070112.AA25265@tengs1> > Subject: one man's opinion & stuff > > > I was attempting to wash dishes this morning and I decided to check out > eMpTyV to see what I'm supposed to be listening to these days. I barely > made it through 3 videos. I'm going to have to agree with Mojoman. I've > never listened to Poison or Warant, but the "New Music Revolution" that's > defining my generation(I'm looking into disowning Gen. X) makes me cringe. Gen X??? When I was 18 (six yrs ago), I remember reading that Gen X encompassed anyone from 18-30 yrs of age. Now, it refers to people who are barely teenagers? (no offense, Ytse-Ben, you got the cool 'tude, which is what _really_ matters).It's funny that their music is written and played by people that are 10-15 yrs older than they. I guess it was no different in the '80s... > Subject: Death > > sorry, the "I'm angry at the world so I can act like a retard" punk mentality > just doesn't do it for me. If you want to express anger, do it in a REMOTELY > intelligent way... hmm, Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera... > > ------------------------------ Anyone who likes those bands should go out and buy Death's _Symbolic_. They are better musicians than the above 3 (don't slag me, 'tallica is my 3rd favorite band). I think they're doing what Metallica should've done after the Black album (if that were possible for them). They are heavier than Pantera, and they have some really beautiful lead guitar melodies. Plus, the rhythm section annihilates anything in its path !>[> > Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1325 > > YT> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YT> \|/ ____ \|/ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ > YT> "@'/ ,. \`@" email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" > YT> /_| \__/ |_\ email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ > YT> \__U_/ http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ > > I SWEAR that looks like a chicken! Actually, it looks like something off the cover of Douglas Adam's _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ (I think). Zach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:27:46 -0600 (CST) From: Sean T Gill To: email_address_removed Subject: Karri's kwiz, The missing ACOS part Message-ID: Maybe they dropped it from the studio 'cause they didn't want to sound like Yngwie. BTW Ryan- sorry if I came off a little strong before. Karri- Didn't Queen to a song for Flash Gordon (can't remember the name though) Sincerely, Running off at the mouth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:36:57 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Sheila Swanson) To: email_address_removed Subject: The Paradise Message-ID: I played the Paradise. It has the greatest decorations, but it was the last time my old band ever played together, so it brings back some bad memories. My new band just got its first gig at Fugly's on Simms in the Littleton area on March 24. C'ya there. My favorite DT song is Lie. It shows that DT can be heavy and complex at the same time. Something few new bands can do. That and the lyrics make it a masterpiece. There is a guitar solo in Erotomania that is very similar to the solo in Scarred. What does Erotomania mean anyway? And while I'm at it, what does Urotsukidoji mean? Testament is pretty hard. Pick up The Ritual. It shows off their talent for playing ballads. Return to Serenity is the greatest metal ballad out there that I own. Later, Cory ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1331 **************************