YTSEJAM Digest 1321 Today's Topics: 1) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/05/96 - 02:07:56" 2) Call me Cory by email_address_removed (Sheila Swanson) 3) back at last by Monty Newberry 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1320 by "Richard A. Rivera" 5) Liner Notes by Ed Reed 6) Jam Spam and some other 'am word by email_address_removed (RipZero ) 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1319 by Joseph Dunn 8) Ytsejam Sweatshirts by Michael Backof 9) Progression Magazine: Dream Theater mention by Michael Backof 10) STEVE VAI sent me an E-Mail! by email_address_removed.mx (MARCELO MARTINELLI) 11) DT @ Madison Square Garden by jbako01 12) Other Bands by Michael Backof 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1320 by "John R. Kotzian" 14) More bands: Ozrics Tentacles by Michael Backof 15) Can O' Worms / Highlander stuff by Baron Sengir ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 21:08:48 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/05/96 - 02:07:56" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 02:08:34 GMT on 05 Mar 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:14:58 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Sheila Swanson) To: email_address_removed Subject: Call me Cory Message-ID: Howzit!! First of all, this is my mom's account, so I will show up as Sheila, but I'm not. I am Cory Swanson from Denver Colorado. I am in a band called Orpheus that has only been in motion since November, so we haven't made it out of the basement. But, hey, I'm only 15. DT is the only band that everyone in the band likes, so I have come to worship them. Enough about me. About James LaBrie's voice distorting on ACoS. I've been in the studio to record a CD before. Sometimes the mistakes are intended. We used mikes that distorted when the vocals got too loud to give it a different sort of feel. Just listen to anything by Janis Joplin. Distortion city there. The equipment back then wasn't built to handle her voice, so they let the flaws slide to give it a lo-fi distorted feel. However, I am not sure that that is DT's way of doing things. About John P's different guitar sound coming in. It might be a guitar overdub, although I haven't listened to this area of the song in detail since I read the message. How about holding the Ytsecon in Denver? It's right in the middle of the country, and, therefore, will cause equal distress for everyone to get here. C Ya, Cory ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 10:33:50 -0800 From: Monty Newberry To: email_address_removed Subject: back at last Message-ID: Wow, it's good to be back. Being at school and losgin the e-mail address for the new list(s) due to the computer here crashing and the backup tapes getting screwed up has made me lose about three weeks of 'jams. Let me just say that it does feel good to be back here. Anyway, guess what I heard on the radio today (drum roll please). I heard none other than the opening part for Learning to Live. Now, while it was, for the most part, played in the background during a morning show (Steve & D.C. - no.1 in St. Louis!), it was unmistakably DT. It's kind of sad when I get so worked up over hearing just a short segment of a song on the radio. I mean, it's sad that the radio constantly overlooks great music (though I do get a good helping of Rush, Pink Floyd, and U2 here, so it's not ALL bad). Oh yeah, and about this Ytsecon thing. I agree it would be most conevnient for me if it had more of a central location (i.e. Chicago - that would kick since it's only about a 6 hour drive for me), but I also realise that it might not exactly be the most convenient location for those planning it, and that's where it would really matter, I guess. Anyway you look at it, it would probably be worht going to, no matter the location (I'd try and road trip out to Vegas if it was there, or somewhere else, if possible). I hope it goes well, whether or not I can make it. Anyway, I better jet. I'll be at the Iron Maiden show tomorrow (Tues. March 5) at Mississippi Nights in St. Louis. If any of y'all are going to be there, let me know and we'll hook up. Catch you all later. God bless. Dale R. Newberry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:53:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1320 Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Mar 1996 email_address_removed wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:49:16 -0400 > From: email_address_removed > To: email_address_removed > Message-ID: > > Some guy said that a girl laughed at the bands he listened to : Poison > ,Warrant ..and DT???? How can you compare..or even use those three > bands name together?? I agree at her laughing at Poison and Warrant..i > wouldve too..but not Dt..dt kicks ass!!!!!!!!!!!! <-- lame cliche.. > > My humble opinion. > email_address_removed > email_address_removed +++Hi. I'm that guy. I'm going to try to restrain myself with this reply. I'm confused as to the moral wrong that I have committed. I was not comparing DT to Poison and Warrant. I was merely listing them as bands that I love. You seem to be implying that DT is "above" bands like Poison and Warrant. I fail to see the grounds for such a value judgement. Sure DT is a hundred times more complex than they are, but complexity does not impress me. Good music does ("good" in the sense that _I_ enjoy listening to it) and in this respect, all three bands score big time. I see DT being mentioned in the same breath as bands that I'm not too crazy about all the time on the jam and I never resort too such arrogant speech as what was written above. I have found that in the two years I've been on the jam overbearing statements such those are ill-advised. I don't know how long you have been on the jam, so perhaps you already know this and just chose to ignore it. Luckily, I'm not the type that gives a flying fuck what people think of the music I listen to (obviously, given my tastes). However, I hope that I never see you post about how prog-rock/metal isn't given a fair shake and is laughed at by the "unenlightened" because you are guilty of the same crime yourself. I never asked anyone to like my music, just respect it. Actually, you don't even have to respect it, just don't publicly disrespect it. Richie P.S. The relevance of my inital listing of DT, Poison, and Warrant was that the girl I mentioned implied that because the music I listen to isn't on the top of the charts or available at any Wherehouse outlet (same difference) it is invalid. I found the remark to be extremely telling of what I consider to be the sad state of the music industry. No more, no less. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:19:00 -0600 (CST) From: Ed Reed To: email_address_removed Subject: Liner Notes Message-ID: > From: Baldy > > Speaking of peeves, if I ever get a pet, that's what I'm naming it. :-) > Also, in the liner notes of Parralels, Dream Theater was spelled Dream > Theatre. Practical Joke or honest mistake? You be the judge. I can't figure out for sure whether that was a practical joke or an honest mistake, but here's what I have poked up: Dream Theater thanks Fates Warning in When Dream and Day Unite (1989). Fates Warning thanks Dream Theatre in Parallels (1991). Dream Theater thanks Fatez Warning in Images and Words (1992). You be the judge... The mis-spelling in Images and Words was intentional, either as a practical joke or a way to make fun of Fates for spelling DT wrong. DrX -- the mysterious Dust Pan Ghost. /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | It is against the law for a monster to enter the corporate | | limits of Urbana, Illinois. | \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/ \------ Ed : email_address_removed, email_address_removed ---------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:08:27 -0800 From: email_address_removed (RipZero ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Jam Spam and some other 'am word Message-ID: Hi, my name's Mario, and I'm addicted to Dream Theater. But just for the record don't bother with the name Mario, nobody online really uses it, I go by Rip if you want to direct anything to me or say anything about me. Ok I've finally gotten on to this damn thing, although I've know of it for a long time I just havent a chance to cuz i've been in the middle of switching ISP's. Ok I've finally found one, although I STILL havent gotten on it yet, but I just decided to post from here anyways... so currently i'm email_address_removed but soon it'll be email_address_removed. This is a pointless post, just pretty much introducing myself to everyone who hasnt met me on IRC yet... And expect to hear more from me, and if you think you've seen some weird stuff from Laussade just wait'll i get settled in for the ride ;) Although I'm afraid nobody can top the bewildered soul that is Bafu... And If anyone's got some DT boots (tapes not videos for now, because i have no video callateral) I cant say I've got any DT stuff, but if anyones Interested in any Rare Ozzy Osbourne stuff I got a tape of stuff that if theres ever been a rare ozzy song you've been lookin for, its probably on this tape. I also got a kick ass Helloween (If ya dont know who they are they're very reminescent of Iron Maiden) import that I could dub you a copy of. I can also get a dub of an old Ozzy concert from 81 or 82 with randy rhoads, which will be in my hands shortly. And if anyone bought that one Pantera Far Beyond Driven mini Box Set with those Live EPs i'd be interested in trading for a dub of one of those. I do have one video for trade, its this van halen thing a buddy compiled together, ranging from 1978 or somethin up to 86 or 88. The end has this HILARIOUS interview of eddie completely drunk off his ass and Valerie is having to answer all these questions for him and she gets ticked off... pretty funny if you're interested. It also has some Live footage that literally looks like somebody on the crew got a hold of a camcorder and taped, and some old live stuff as well. Its also got this segment of Van Halen w/ David and theyre all synched and not really playing and david keeps doing these tongue licks around his lips while the vocals are going on... and the video for pretty woman is at the beginning, and an interview with dlr on Letterman and one on that old music show i cant remember right now... But the whole tape is really worth it and if anyone wants to trade a DT concert for it i'll do it, its a full tape worth of stuff, gimme yer tape and i'll fill it to the brim no matter what it is... Well, unless its one of those fucked up six hour tapes, which brings me to a question - why do 4 hour movies come out in 2 tapes when you can buy 6 hour video tapes? i also got Live W/O A Net if you're interested. Ok this is just some responses to #1320 - first off - e-man... get yer head checked bro' Youre dreaming about Ben AND computer stuff all at once. Thats not good man! Its not healy to be dreaming about computers, and, well, ben is self explanitory :) For bens post- ben tell your aunt or whoever that they've got a long lost nephew cuz i'm hitchin a ride up to ytse-con new york with ya! As for those watches - yeah it sounds cool to me, but I'm still skeptical about it... 30 bucks is a pretty nice price to pay for a little thing that goes on your wrist and tells something i dont even believe in, although DT would be totally cool to have on it. I'd just like to hear a bit more before i jump in... As for Poison and Warrant - I'm not getting into anything on what I think about these bands, but lemme ask you this - would you rather be stuck in eternety listening to greenday, or one of these two bands? Case and point... anyone disagree?... Ok thats all i've got to say from that, not like anyone gives a shit, just here to make your day shorter and your jam longer ;) Ok that about wraps up this post... Ketch all ya jammers later... ~Rip "I had a vision, I saw the world burn And theas had turned red The sun had fallen, the final curtain In the land of the dead" ~Ozzy Osbourne - Revelations (Mother Earth) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Dunn To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1319 Message-ID: Well, I have a little of a dilema before me. I have been accepted to Berklee for next fall; but I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I have been looking at North Texas and they offer better scholarship opps than Berklee does...I just don't know what I should do. I have been going to CSU Stanislaus for the past year, I have a year of Theory and Eartraining under my belt as with a jazz arrainging course...Any input on the two schools and any other suggestions as far as schools go would be appreciated. I want to get the most out of my college years, and I want every dollar I spend on it count...I want ot get the most bang for the buck, yet Berklee has that rep...Another reason I am thinking about NT is that I heard their 1 o'clock jazz band's latest release..whoa..impressive..they sound more professional than most professional groups..their drummer is slammin'! Well, enough for now.. -------------- Joey Dunn "Genius is the fire that lights itself"-Neil Peart 'I know its cliche, but I like it!"-Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:15:56 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Backof To: email_address_removed Subject: Ytsejam Sweatshirts Message-ID: Hello Jammers, I'd like to thank Trey for the great job he did on the Sweatshirts, I got a black DT one, and it looks fantastic! The back turned out really well. Jason Giles and Trey Allen are the T-shirt masters! Later, Mike ************************************************************************ *Mike Backof **** email_address_removed *** http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 * *Inferno Home Page ******* http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html* *Unsigned & Indie Label Bands Page ******************* Support ********* *http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html ****** Local Bands ******* ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:24:32 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Backof To: email_address_removed Subject: Progression Magazine: Dream Theater mention Message-ID: Hello Jammers, Dream Theater got mentioned in the latest issue of Progression magazine, which just came out (issue 18). This is a great magazine with information on all type of progressive music from metal to rock to jazz to symphonic to Canterbury. They were brought up as an influence of the bannd Braindance in an interview with Sabastian Elliot, the vocalist of the band. If you check out the CD "Fear Itself" there are a few parts that could possibly be from DT songs, However the band has larger influences from King Crimson to Nine Inch Nails to Queensryche to Yes to Techno music. Great music, one of the most original CDs I have heard in some time, and I get CDs from Unsigned Bands all of the time to review, plus I buy quite a few disks. Send a check or money order payable to Sebastian Elliot for $15 US funds Double Edge Productions 215 Thompson Street Suite 11 New York, NY 10012 **NOTE** Mike Portnoy if you are reading, check out these guys, I think they would be a great compliment to your next tour as an opening band, plus they are from New York. Later, Mike ************************************************************************ *Mike Backof **** email_address_removed *** http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 * *Inferno Home Page ******* http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html* *Unsigned & Indie Label Bands Page ******************* Support ********* *http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html ****** Local Bands ******* ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:30:08 -0500 From: email_address_removed.mx (MARCELO MARTINELLI) To: email_address_removed Subject: STEVE VAI sent me an E-Mail! Message-ID: Hi Jammers , I'm thrilled , I just checked my mail and I got a response from a mail I sent around 3 months ago to Steve Vai. Anyways I'm so excited because being a lot more isolated here in Mexico I just couldn't beleive Steve Vai would "Take the Time" (DT content here!) to respond to my mail. He told me that the CD-ROM from Alien Love Secrets is going to be ready really soon. I just thought I'd share this with you guys. Marcelo Martinelli Monterrey , Mexico ---Currently hearing "6:00" - But isn't it for the honor of god Aunt Kate ? - I know all about the honor of god Mary Jane! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:36:13 -0500 (EST) From: jbako01 To: email_address_removed Subject: DT @ Madison Square Garden Message-ID: just trying to get everyone's attention with the subject line :) Actually, I wrote a few weeks back about all the DT/prog music being played during Rangers games. Tonight they played a little snippet of CiaW. Cool, huh??? On an unrelated note: Can any 'jammers from the Montreal area let me know how I can pass some time on the weekend of Mar. 15-17? I'm seeing the Rangers and Canadiens open up the new Molson Center (great name for an arena, drinki up:) And help is appreciated, thanks. James Bako "Don't tell me you wanted me email_address_removed Don't tell me you thought of me Polytechnic University I won't, I swear I won't Brooklyn, New York I'll try, I swear I'll try" Dream Theater - "Lie" (I happen to be of the opinion that this is indeed a 'fucked over by a woman' song. I guess it's just personal bias.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:44:47 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Backof To: email_address_removed Subject: Other Bands Message-ID: Hello Jammers, Here is a mini list of some of the bands I have been listening to recently: check out my WWW page http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html for more information. Salem Hill: Carl Groves (guitar, keys, vox) made me a tape of several of their albums. This band is fantastic, a mix of Kansas and Asia, plus newer Yes and Saga. They pull together well and write accessable songs with a bit of an edge, they don't approach cheesy like some of Asia's material (IMO e-mail me if you want to discuss Asia, and "Is it Prog"). The Self Titled album and the concept album "The Robbery of Murder" are the best IMO. All the albums have Kansas influenced harmonic vocals. e-mail: email_address_removed 23rd Hour: This band is making some great instrumental music. It harkens to Peter Gabriel and 1980s King Crimson, with a mix of Rush, really complex, yet to fits with the vocals. They also have a bit of alternative influence which comes through in the vocals. The lyrics don't really appeal to me that much, but the vox are OK and grow on you, but the music is fantastic. e-mail: email_address_removed Arcanum: This band harkens back to the days of early 80s music, kinda a Roxy Music meets Duran Duran. Good dance beat, great lyrics, the fans of 80s alternative (New Order, DMode, Tears for Fears) will like this. Ask for a copy of the CD. e-mail: email_address_removed Tempo Tantrum: This band brings Rush and Dream Theater influences and mixes it with Van Halen and stylings of hard rock bands. Instrumentally brilliant, the vocalist is good, though album lacks the punch, and isn't terribly complex. e-mail: see my WWW page or mail me, have to look it up Superior: Their CD "Behind" is a must for any prog-metal fan, I listed it in the r.m.progressive poll as one of my favorite releases of 1995. Great use of piano, they are just a bit better than Shadow Gallery, more edge in the vocals and music, and all of the songs are composed really well. The lyrics are also better than Shadow Gallery. (Not to rag on Shadow Gallery, "Carved in Stone" is a fantastic album!) I highly recommend this CD, Bernd (Guitar, keys) is on the list he posts from time to time, or you can visit my WWW site or e-mail me to get his address. ************************************************************************ *Mike Backof **** email_address_removed *** http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 * *Inferno Home Page ******* http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html* *Unsigned & Indie Label Bands Page ******************* Support ********* *http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html ****** Local Bands ******* ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:48:03 -0500 (EST) From: "John R. Kotzian" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1320 Message-ID: I must say, Ytsejam 1320 was, by far, the most enjoyable 'jam I've read in recent times. -John -- -.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----.. J O H N K O T Z I A N : email_address_removed email_address_removed "I want to look at life, in the available light." - Rush "Let the light surround you." - Dream Theater "O.k., light up." - Bob McKenzie -.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:52:26 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Backof To: email_address_removed Subject: More bands: Ozrics Tentacles Message-ID: Hello Jammers, Someone mentioned the Ozric Tentacles: You are right, silly name, fatastic band, a mix of psychedelic and metal, live they are fantastic. Their best albums IMO are "Erpland", "Live Underslunky", and Pungent Efflucient"(I murdered the spelling on this one). Now in and about the CD player: disk 1 - Braindance: Fear Itself disk 2 - Progfest 94: Disk 1 (Halloween, Kalaban, Anglagard, Episode, Echolyn disk 3 - Gongzilla: Suffer (I saw some of the members of this jazz-fusion project over the weekend and they were great!) disk 4 - Superior: Behind (buy this now! too subtle?) disk 5 - UK: UK (I read the Progression interview with Eddie Jobson, had to put this in) disk 6 - Fourth Estate: See What I See ( a mix of Steve Morse and Kings X all instrumental, killer music) Any questions or info e-mail me and I'll put you in the queue Later, Mike ************************************************************************ *Mike Backof **** email_address_removed *** http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 * *Inferno Home Page ******* http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html* *Unsigned & Indie Label Bands Page ******************* Support ********* *http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html ****** Local Bands ******* ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:33:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Baron Sengir To: email_address_removed Subject: Can O' Worms / Highlander stuff Message-ID: Oh boy. It looks like I opened up a can o'worms with my question about Liszt. My opinion (though it may not matter much since I have very little musical knowledge) is that Derek and Kevin COULD play Liszt if they wanted to and worked at it. I think they're both talented enough to do it. I'm not saying they could do it right away. But I think the musical talent is there. Now, on with my responses to the digest: > From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi > Subject: More Misc. Miasma [deleted stuff] > > and their vocalist sounds like a pissed-off mutant frog (pissed-off 'cos > >he's a mutant frog, probably). > > Hmmmmm...Frog-rock? Yes! Kermit rules! [deleted more] > >This girl that I'm friends with didn't know what kind of music I > >normally listen to (DT, Poison, Warrant, etc). > > Poison, Warrant, AND DT in the same sentence? At least he didn't say WINGER. [deleted even more] > From: Steven & Julia Young > Subject: Is DT deity? > [deleted message - hey who need the message? It's the sig that counts!] > P.S. "Sorry about the mess" - Han Solo, (referring to the crap below) Wuher: Dammit, Solo, I said NO BLASTERS. Well at least you got rid of that Rodian scum. Well, it would have been cool had Wuher (the bartender) said that. And no, I'm NOT going to quote the mess. Now, it's BAFU TIME! > From: Steve Borzilleri > Subject: Highlander > > Neat thing is, when I first heard I&W, I saw "Highlander" a month later > and heard the music by Queen and thought, "Boy, this Dream Theater could > probably do a really cool soundtrack if anyone ever does another > Highlander." Little did I know there already was a second one in the works > and a third on the horizon. But the second one sucked majorly. The third one would have been okay if it didn't copy the first. And it would have been VERY cool if DT had done some of the music. > > In the original movie there is a song by Queen called To Live Forever. > > You guys probably knew that already, but it may be news to those of you > > who have actual lives outside the TV. > > I don't think that's the actual title, but that song Kicks Ass. If DT ever > does a Queen cover, I hope it's that song. Hey, I like "We Are The > Champions" as much as anyone, but that Highlander theme just hurts brains. > ("hurts brains" (c) WildKoba Magical Brain-Hurting-Funk Productions 1996) The actual title is "Who Wants to Live Forever" and you're right about it kicking some buttocks. And DT HAS covered Queen song (or, at least, partially). "Bohemian Rhapsody" was part of the "Big Medley" at Ronnie Scott's and on ACOS. > > ( >__< ) "Death is the first > - < > > dancing turtle" -James LaBrie > > <*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<* > > James LaBrie said that? Hey, he actually MIGHT have said that! Maybe you weren't hearing things after all, huh? > True, would have been. BTW, to anyone who hasn't seen "Highlander III: The > Sorcerer," the closing song (end credits) is done by Nuno Bettencourt. > It's called "God Took A Picture Of Me," and is a total Nuno-piece, I mean > it really does sound like his style, you should be able to pick that out a > minute into the song. Maybe it'll be on his solo album, which I think is > due out sometime this year. Then there's that Vai geetar-player d00d with > a solo album. He's going country, just watch. You'll see. Mark my words. I hate to be picky (but I'm going to be anyway). The third Highlander movie was called Highlander III: The Final Dimension. It's tentative subtitles before the movie was released were "The Wizard" and "The Sorceror." It was better than part II, but it mirrored the first one too much. > From: email_address_removed (Barb Battaglia) > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1314 > > Hello everyone, it's BABS. Ok, it is time to get everything out on the Everyone: Hello Babs! I just wanted to do that. This has been another low-DT content message from: Paul aka Baron Singer (leader of that band of musical vampires, the Singer Vampires. On guitar, we have the lovely Irini Singer. On bass is Veldrane of Singer and on percussion, it's Granny Singer! Just watch it if she rings that Apocalypse Chime!) ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1321 **************************