YTSEJAM Digest 1311 Today's Topics: 1) subscriptions by Scott Daugherty 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1304 (fwd) by Scott Daugherty 3) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/01/96 - 18:50:30" 4) Ignorance... by Pat Daugherty 5) orchestral.... by "Jill M. Lentchner" 6) Showdown and TLF liner by Michael Bahr 7) Fates Pale Fire single by Pat Daugherty 8) Re: IAW v Awake? by KJ 9) the best magna carta band. by Matt Rosin 10) ytsecon2 group picture on my web page by Tymoteusz Altman 11) Tribute not mindless idiocy by email_address_removed (Seth Hatlelid) 12) instrumentals by email_address_removed 13) YTSEJAM digest 1310 by "Steven Johnson" 14) ATTN: OLAF BODE (sorry ndtc) by email_address_removed (Scott Cook) 15) YTSEJAM digest 1310 by "Steven Johnson" 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1307 by email_address_removed (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1308 by email_address_removed 18) Re: Iron Maiden\Magna Carta by Benjamin Brizzell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Mar 96 13:28:43 EST From: Scott Daugherty To: Ytsejam Subject: subscriptions Message-ID: Hey guys and gals, I just wanted to let you all know that, as my part in helping out our happy little mailing list, I will personally respond to the posts which appear that someone has incorrectly tried to subcribe. You know the kind I'm talking about? I'll just e-mail them with the correct info, and that way the'll get added and none of you will have to worry about it. Oh yeah, I'll also do the same for those desiring to unsubscribe. :( Just my way of helping out. I feel so bad for them, you know? Scott Daugherty -Yo, Bozo boy! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 96 13:41:37 EST From: Scott Daugherty To: ytsejam Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1304 (fwd) Message-ID: Hey Cat, Thanks! Look guys and gals, there can be intelligent conversation on the jam with everybody stating their opinions and nobody berating anybody! Have we risen to a new level? Scott Daugherty "I am, therefore you is" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 13:51:20 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/01/96 - 18:50:30" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 18:50:54 GMT on 01 Mar 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:54:42 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Ignorance... Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:31:27 -0600 >From: email_address_removed (GADEM) >To: email_address_removed >Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1308 >Message-ID: > >At 11:32 PM 2/29/96 -0800, you wrote: > >>>What??? Yea right they could play them. Do you have any idea what it takes >>>to play classical music? I play piano - and there is no way they could. >>>The technical, let alone musical concepts are of a completely different >>>nature than the stuff Dream Theater puts out. >>> >> >>You ig'nant! Just because they DON'T play it doesn't mean they CAN'T >>play it. >Shut up. You obviously don't play classical music or you wouldn't make such >completely uncalled for and idiotic remarks. Oh yea - I'm really ignorant. wow email_address_removed (GADEM), You were so quick to flame someone that you go and do a most ignorant thing and include almost all of a previous digest in your reply... **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** **** GO CAPITALS! GO BULLETS! GO DAYTON FLYERS! GO TERPS! **** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Jill M. Lentchner" To: email_address_removed Subject: orchestral.... Message-ID: I think a lot of people don't realize that the orchetsra people are serious about the tribute. For all of you guys out there who were kidding but want to get involved, let us know!!! Sean mentioned about a wind ensemble and being willing to transcribe, I just sent out stuff about that to those who are playing big band instruments. Please contact someone (me or llama dude) because we could use your help. It would be nice if we had more than keyboard and guitar tabs to work with!! All those interested, we are really working on it. Contact us. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:06:19 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Showdown and TLF liner Message-ID: Actually, all of you are wrong about the songs on WDATU. :) OK, kidding, don't have a knee jerk reaction to that. I'm just kiddin'. "Untitled" is featured on the IAW video. That's _confirmed_. Moonbubbles _was_ from the Osaka 11/17/92 soundboard, and started with Myung alone playing solo bass, and gradually the other instruments swelled in. Barfbag was the original title of the instrumental on WDATU. Showdown has since been renamed Raise The Knife, and it had no lyrics at the time it was previously named. As to why I labeled it the way I did, I was asked to. That's all. I'll let people read whatever they like into that. I think certain people wanted me to help put an end to the title speculations. :) And yes, the person was right who mentioned that the To Live Forever lyrics in the liner to WDATU were the only lyrics NOT sung in the song at the time it was recorded. They're on the LIE single TLF. They just re-released TOP GUN on laserdisc, with a re-mastered widescreen picture, AC-3 sound, and THX compliance. Watching it again sure brought back a lot of memories, not the least of which was the kind of music that was out at the time. (Riiiiight Iiiiiinn Toooooooo Theeee Daynjah' Zoooone!) I like today's prog-rock quite a bit better now. The jet combat was incredible though, just like before. MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, email_address_removed/email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:09:46 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Fates Pale Fire single Message-ID: Does anyone have the Fates Warning Pale Fire single? Looks like I will be able to get one. Supposedly on it is the edited version of Monument, demo version of We Only Say Goodbye, and Pale Fire. **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** **** GO CAPITALS! GO BULLETS! GO DAYTON FLYERS! GO TERPS! **** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 12:03:32 -0700 (MST) From: KJ To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: IAW v Awake? Message-ID: > I'm coming out of lurk mode for my first post here, so bear with me. > > Someone (forgive me, I don't remember whom) mentioned that they liked > IAW, and didn't like Awake as much, to which Ben "however you > pronounce it" replied, "I bet you wouldn't feel the same if you had > heard Awake before I&W. Nine times out of ten, people will like > better what the heard first. You kind of get used to it." In a way, > I agree. i think another important point is how much you like the first thing you hear. for instance, my roommate thinks empire is better than mindcrime. i got empire first, and then o:m, and at first i agreed with him. but then o:m grew on me, and now i think its clearly better. the change of opinion comes from 3 places: objectivity, time, and initial attraction. another example is the people who like the subconscious ACoS better. and now for a little fun humor from this month's U. Magazine. in response to the question "lights on or lights off?" one reply was "lights on. if i can't see him outside of me, i don't want him inside of me." keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 13:37:48 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Rosin To: email_address_removed Subject: the best magna carta band. Message-ID: the best magna carta band is SHADOW GALLERY, without a doubt, bar none (IMHO, of course). ;) in my mind, enchant and magellan don't even compare to this band. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Matt Rosin * SURREALITY: ambient-experimental PO Box 15315 * IMAGESCAPE: ambient-progressive metal College Station, TX * Matt Rosin: vocals/synths/programming 77841-7315 * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape email_address_removed * email: email_address_removed <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:02:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tymoteusz Altman To: email_address_removed Subject: ytsecon2 group picture on my web page Message-ID: Just wanted to let you guys know that i have gotten the group picture that we took at the ytsecon II scanned, and it is now on my web page. It's not the highest quality scan, but it's not too bad. the address is http://vanbc.wimsey.com/~saltman/tim.html you'll have to go to the Picture Gallery, and it will be in the section Dream Theater related pics. I also got my pictures developed from the malibu show, and i will have them scanned sometime next week. I'll let you know when they are up! later ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:21:06 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Seth Hatlelid) To: email_address_removed Subject: Tribute not mindless idiocy Message-ID: Hiya all! About the Dream Theater tribute disk: first to the man who said the tamborine was as joke instrument, any tool of expressing an emotion or thought is a viable musical tool. Second, I thought that the idea of the tribute was not to mindlessly recreate the music of Dream Theater (drink it if ya got it), but to reinterpret the lyrics with our visions of the music. Our vision with a deep nod to a band that has influenced us greatly. John Myung convinced me to make the leap from four to six strings (thanx John), they inspired me to work my ass off so that I could attend Berklee even though I'd only been playing for three years (I was accepted formally four days ago, but I'm not going because I've decided to major in psychology, but being accepted to Berklee became a quest for me), they inspired me to play at crowded smoggy bars for free in order to express my musical vision to the world. I for one, am not going to play "Lie" like a human DAT machine, Ben Laussade and I are composing Metroplis Part II (we still need a vocalist and a keyboardist). I'm am going to try to give something back to Dream Theater and to the fans of such a fanatastic genre of music. I hope everyone on the jam willcontribute to the TRibute in some fashion or another whether it be with a guitar track, studio time, or simply giving the vocalist without a car a ride to the studio. It doesn't matter if ACOS is played by a symphony of kazoos, if the heart is there, if the passion is there, the music will follow. Please send responses to myself, Ben Laussade, or the Great Wally and Thanx email_address_removed Seth Hatlelid "It's only a flesh wound!" "Bassists are hung low!" "Why God? Why do I keep listening to this cursed Ween C.D.?" "Penance, but isn't it fun!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:23:19 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: instrumentals Message-ID: Bafu sez: >>Yes, I've heard that "Showdown" is a song to be on the forthcoming album. If this is true, why did Mike Bahr take that name and use it to title the 2+ year-old instrumental "Barfbag?" Did DT play this same instrumental at a show during the summer of 1995 and say it was called "Showdown?" I have a tape of the NAMM show from 1994, in which Petrucci does the instrumental on the end of WDATU and says, "Thank you...that was Barfbag..." Plus Mike Portnoy has referred to this instrumental on more than one occasion as "Barfbag," so when did the name change, or is Mike Bahr mixed up?<< I think Mike was mixed up, but he never replied when I asked him about this. My take on that is that the song is indeed Barfbag (and is how I have it listed on my list of all of DT's setlists). >>Let me try to get this straight: "Moon Bubbles" is the instrumental usually found after "To Live Forever." It starts out with volume swells on keys and guitar, and is basically played at the same tempo and key as "TLF."<< Nope - as far as I know, Moon Bubbles actually is a guitar/bass piece that was played during the very first part of the I&W tour (late '92). This was played in between Ytsejam and Another Day. There are no keyboards or drums on this instrumental (at least the recordings I've heard). As to the extended solo/outro/whatever-you-call-it that follows TLF for most of the I&W tour (as can be heard on the LiT video as well as such boots as Lords of Sound and Dream in Progress), I have *never* heard of a specific name for this "piece". >>"Barfbag" is a very uptempo, jazzy piece that starts out with chromatic guitar and kicks into a real groovy, rather long guitar spot. << I agree with you on this one. However, that still leaves one instrumental (that I'm aware of) that few people seem to know of. This instrumental followed TLF on 5/15/93, but I have yet to hear it from another show. This song is not any of the above, nor is it Bombay Vindaloo. In talking to Mike Bahr once, he mentioned that this instrumental was called "Showdown", but I get the feeling that it is not. James LaBrie (or any other band member if they've gotten 'Net access), if you are reading this, could you (through some secret channel or something) resolve this? What is *that* instrumental called? >>Does anyone remember if "Showdown" had any lyrics if/when DT actually played it live? Was it the instrumental from the end of WDATU? Is there anyone alive who has WDATU and has heard the ending instrumental, and has also heard "Showdown," and can tell me if the two are the same?<< According to Neil Elliott's review in an earlier issue of I&W (the fanzine), he mentioned that they played an instrumental excerpt of it, which then went into CiaW. I myself have not heard any boots from either of those two shows (6/9/95 or 6/13/95), but I know some people have them. Perhaps someone could shed some light on "Showdown"? (Brian Cox maybe?) >>One other question: Did DT play three or four shows in Japan a few months ago to support ACOS?<< Three - 10/26, 10/28, and 10/30. Shame on you Bafu! :) You'd know this if you subscribed to I&W the official fanzine (shameless plug even though I'm not connected to it). To all who are not subscribed to the fanzine, do so!! It's a *very* worthwhile fanzine to get. Yeah, so you have 'Net access; there still is a lot of cool stuff in the fanzine that you won't get here. I highly recommend it. Contact Neil Elliott for more info (sorry I don't remember his email address off the top of my head). Scott Hansen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: 01 Mar 1996 14:24:14 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1310 Message-ID: *** Reply to note of 03/01/96 12:46 Steve of DREG records...please e-mail me. My firewall prevents initial contact!! Thanks (is the Jam tired of me explaining my firewall predicament?). Steve *************************************************************** "I'll be defending you on the charge of......MURDER ONE!?! Wow! Even if I lose, I'll be famous!!" - Lionel Hutz, attorney *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:36:56 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) To: email_address_removed Subject: ATTN: OLAF BODE (sorry ndtc) Message-ID: (I'm sorry to post this to the jam, but I've sent emails to Olaf and he hasn't been receiving them so I can't figure any other way to do this.) Olaf, I'm sorry, but I don't have access to a PAL system. I can, if you wish, put it on audio for you if you want, total time is :163. It's in stereo, so it'll still sound real nice. I forwarded your letter to a friend of mine in Detroit to check into the questions you asked about the origin of the cd's. If he comes up again, I'll email you and hopefully you'll get it. If you have any questions, you can email me. I do usually receive them. Cheers! Scott ------------------------------ Date: 01 Mar 1996 14:36:14 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1310 Message-ID: *** Reply to note of 03/01/96 12:46 This arguement about DT not being able to play classical music is ridiculous. If they have practiced enough to do what they do now, why wouldn't it make sense that they could practice enough to play classical music? Are all classical musicians so arrogant they feel nobody else could play their music? This seems even more elitist to say of five guys (well, four and that's if Mike jumps on the tympanies (SP?)) who'd have a head start in the classical direction over many of their contemporaries, much less people like myself. I don't think a classical musician, with all their mighty technical abilities, could be a decent jazz musician in one week, but to think they COULDN'T become one -- especially with the ability to draw from their already mature music knowledge? Hmmmmmmmmm (said with a Marge Simpson falsetto). Get off your horse. (Semi-credibility factor -- I'm a partial musician who grew up in a family where the matriarch has a masters in music and concentrate son classical and the patriarch is finishing his Ph.D. in music and concentrate son jazz and rock) SHEESH!!! Steve *************************************************************** "I'll be defending you on the charge of......MURDER ONE!?! Wow! Even if I lose, I'll be famous!!" - Lionel Hutz, attorney *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:36:35 EST From: email_address_removed (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1307 Message-ID: I said... >I'm Sure the same could be said about Mr. or Ms. anonymous at >email_address_removed................AND then again FLATTERy gets you >everywhere (squish)........;) You said.... >>My name is Jon and I resent that! How could you say you would >>like me flat???? I reply... I want you flat in the same way you want me sharp...which is to say...I was just KIDDING...and I'm only half convinced YOU were. So there. :) Cat ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST......................................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH...................... -STEVEN BRUST ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 14:48:43 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1308 Message-ID: Date sent: 1-MAR-1996 14:15:19 >>>>> >>>takes to play classical music? I play piano - and there is no way they >>>could. The technical, let alone musical concepts are of a completely >>>different nature than the stuff Dream Theater puts out. > There are a plethora of bands that that can be said about, but I'm not sure DT is one of them. Hell, I ain't gonna shit on anyone who got into Berkelee... > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 00:40:20 -0500 >From: Dave >To: email_address_removed >Subject: Awake not Blow Away? >Message-ID: > > >>gothic sound. As for DT, I saw major changes as soon as I heard the >>"Awake" album. None of the songs blew me away like they did on IAW. What >>happened? > >>Debbie Seeger >email_address_removed >>University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh >>Music Major (Recording Technology emphasis) > >Dear Deb: >EEEK! >Please don't take this in any dirogatory way whatsoever, but what are you >smoking?:) For your information This is my 26th day of QUITTING smoking, thank you very much!!! > I guess if awake doesn't move you, it just doesn't, but I have a >hard time believing that I&W blew you away and not Awake. To me, although >the Cd's are a bit different from each other (IW being as close to >mainstream as DT will ever get), the stuff on Awake is still Killer!! It's >just in a different frame of mind, and it takes some time to get "involved" Well, that's your opinion. What I was trying to say is that possibly Dt's "touch of success" with IAW negatively influnced the material on Awake. I never thought i'd hear DT write songs about getting screwed over by some chick. I mean, I was as pissed after hearing that than I was when I saw a stupid model striking poses in Fates Warning's "Eye To Eye" video! what's the world of "progressive" rock coming to!?! >mean) I guess all I'm trying to say is that I LOVE both albums just the >same, and I'm having a hard time believing your dilemma:) Did you try >listening to Awake on a long drive with no one else in the car, and a really >good stereo system? heheheh > Sorry, I have Awe on CD and my car stereo doesn't have a CD player! Seriously, I have LISTENED to the disc as opposed to HEARING it, and I'm still not udderly mesmarized by it. Yes, tunes like Voices and Lifting Shadows Off A Dream are great and still have that DT sound, but what the hell is the story with Lie? What the fuck happened there? >Peace, >Dave >email_address_removed > I know a number of you are from the New York City area, but is anyone from, more specifically, the White Plains/Mamaroneck area? I might take my internship out there and I was wondering if there's anyhting a cheesehead like me should know about the area. Also, would those of you in the area know of anyone needing a roommate come late May/Early June? Please mail me if you can help! ________________________________________________________________________________ Debbie Seeger email_address_removed University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh Music Major (Recording Technology emphasis) Vocabulary Building with Deb: CORPORATE PUNK: noun. Green Day (need I say more?!) [Courtesy of Michael DeVoe.] ________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 15:57:35 -0500 (EST) From: Benjamin Brizzell To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Iron Maiden\Magna Carta Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Mar 1996, Ryan Eschauzier '97 wrote: > > I am still taking the final count for the ytsejam's favorite Maiden > album, so if you still want to vote, email me! > > You have to think that Enchant may be the best Magna Carta band. I think > Magellan is the best for lyrics and Enchant is the best for music, what > do you think? > I've never heard Enchant, but I think that Shadow Gallery has to be the best for music. I can't really say for lyrics. I thought that Shadow Gallery's are okay at time and cheesey at others, Magellan is okay, and so is Cairo. I'm not a good judge at this, I guess. Later... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Ben Brizzell | "Flee the icy Lucifer. | | e-mail address: | Oh, he's an awful fellow! | | email_address_removed | What a mistake! | | Individual Studies | I didn't take a feather from his pillow." | | Sage Junior College | - JETHRO TULL | | of Albany | "A Passion Play" | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Check out my band, ANACHRONISM's, new home page at | | http://fire.camp.clarkson.edu/~rappazmc/pump.html | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1311 **************************