YTSEJAM Digest 1304 Today's Topics: 1) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/29/96 - 07:15:43" 2) DT Mainstream & Son of Misc. Miasma by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi 3) Virtuoso keyboardists, Schizophrenia, and more by Baron Sengir 4) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/29/96 - 07:15:43" 5) IRC by Bernd Basmer 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1301 by email_address_removed (Scott Cook) 7) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/29/96 - 07:15:43" 8) * DREAM THEATER ARCHIVES - BETA A * by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 9) Subconscious CD-dubs? by email_address_removed 10) Other instruments..... by "Jill M. Lentchner" 11) DT mainstream??????? by email_address_removed 12) YTSEJAM digest 1303 by email_address_removed 13) Geography and Powermad; WARNING: no DT-content by "Michael Wolberg" 14) YTSEJAM digest 1301 by "Steven Johnson" 15) Re: 10 years from now by Sean T Gill 16) YTSEJAM digest 1300 by "Steven Johnson" 17) prog becoming mainstream by email_address_removed 18) Ben revealed his name? by Partha Mukhopadhyay 19) Re: Prague by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 20) Re: some drum clinic thing by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 02:16:34 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/29/96 - 07:15:43" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 07:16:22 GMT on 29 Feb 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 02:37:07 -0500 (EST) From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Mainstream & Son of Misc. Miasma Message-ID: >Commenting on DT's future, I am wondering what will happen if they do become >as popular as Nirvana someday...do you think Weird Al will make a parody of >one of their songs, kinda like Pull My Finger? An artist knows they've got >it good when he starts spoofing their songs, so we know DT will REALLY have >hit the big time. That's my prediction for DT's future...Weird Al will >spoof a song, and who knows, maybe even an album cover??? What if Weird Al spoofed an instrumental? I can hear "Beerotomania" now, complete with accordion, banjo, sitar, bassoon, mellotron, ukulele, a (Chapman) Stick (sorry Chris), glockenspiel, and the Ytsejam Big Band Brass. >please, look into your facts before you start spouting out >rumors about musicians. would you do it if the person was just a normal >person you knew? probably not. give musicians the same respect. Matt, you took the words right out of my mouth. >Brian Kirk, founder GNBYJA What in sam heck is GNBYJA? >a funny thing happened the other day. a girl in my spanish 201 class >asked me what kind of music i listened to, and one of the thing i >mentioned, naturally, was prog-metal, to which she responded, "prague? >why do you listen to german music?" Another Matt reference...I thought Prague was in the Czech Republic. I also thought they spoke Czech in the Czech Republic, not German. Maybe there's a Prague, Germany... >>They've only had on line up change since 1976 and it doesn't look like >>it'll ever happen again. >Oh really....what about RUSH, The Rolling Stones, U2...etc? The Rolling Stones have had more than one line-up change. They originally had Brian Jones on guitar, Ian Stewart on piano, and Bill Wyman on bass. The first 'real' personnel change took place with the dismissal of Brian Jones in 1969, who died several weeks later. Jones' slot was filled by a young guitarist named Mick Taylor until December 1974. Ron Wood became a full member by the end of 1975. In 1993, bassist Bill Wyman officially quit after years of rumors and speculation. Daryl Jones, who played with Miles Davis, Peter Gabriel, Sting, and more, played bass on the 1994/95 'Voodoo Lounge' tour, and on much of the 'VL' album. >i think (IMO) that would be the downfall of Dream Theater. are they not >doing fine right now? in know awake at least went platinum, and the next >album will probably do the same. i sincerely hope that DT isn't >'discovered' by a record exec that is looking for a 'fresh sound'. >progressive rock has always been, and always should be, 'underground' music. Awake went platinum in Japan, not here in the States. How can DT be "discovered" by a record exec if they already have a label? If progressive rock "always should be 'underground'" just to appease the fans, then the fans are extremely selfish. I don't understand how people would want DT and other groups to remain small (i.e. not opening for a potential Rush tour) just to have a sense of intimacy. DT makes music for a living. They, like everybody else, have bills to pay. I would rather have DT become bigger without sacrificing their musical and artistic integrity than have DT remain the same and stay "underground." Just because an artist is popular or mainstream doesn't mean that the artist is "selling out." All artists are commercial. Commercial in the sense that they make a product (an album) for their record companies to sell to the masses. Unless the artist uses some of the profits to cover the recording costs and gives the rest of the profits away, all artists are commercial. One of my favorite bands, King's X, is at a pivotal point. They literally need to do well on their forthcoming album in order to continue. I remain optimistic to their future, but it's a future I see applicable to DT also. So, as I have said before, get out those postcards and start mailing them... Sincerely, G. Jack Thetgyi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Jack Thetgyi email_address_removed "Any movie with wakka-cha-wakka in it is okay by me." -Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theater 3000 #512: "Mitchell" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 02:02:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Baron Sengir To: email_address_removed Subject: Virtuoso keyboardists, Schizophrenia, and more Message-ID: Anyone who was on the old Ytsejam MIGHT remember that I I'm taking an introductory music course right now. Well, I got the highest grade on the first exam, but that's not the point I want to make (though I felt like saying that anyway ). Today were talking about Franz Liszt, a virtuoso composer from early 19th century (known as the Romantic period in music history). He wrote piano pieces that were so complex hardly anyone besides himself could play them. hardly any musician TODAY can play them. What I'd like to know is can Kevin Moore and Derik Sherrinian play these difficult compostions by Liszt? Have they even TRIED? I bet they could. Also, were discussing what a virtuoso is (that's a musician who can play incredibly complex music which few other musicians can play). The first two names that came to mind for me were John Petrucci and Neil Peart (who, BTW is NOT gay). Now, let's do some responding: > From: email_address_removed > Subject: Dt in ten years > > I became interested with this topic when i read it a while ago... > well in my opinion ,in ten years,Dream Theater's music will be used to > cure autistic children,children with shizofrenia (did i spell > correctly) also they will be the example of musical excelence in schools > worldwide . Sure, I can see that happening. The healing music of Dream Theater will be the wave of the future! BTW, it's spelled SCHIZOPHRENIA. I should know. I'm a psychology major. :) Just don't get me started about people who mistake multiple personality disorder for schizophrenia... I don't know if my last joke message got through responding to this one since I wasn't subscribed to the jam at the time, so here it is again. My apologies if you had to sit through this corny joke twice. BTW, I unsubscribed for a little while because I went on vacation for a week and I didn't want mail piling up. > From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" > To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL Now THAT'S funny. :) > Subject: Iron Maiden [message snipped - who cares about the message? The sigs are what we all read anyway, right?] > 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * Okay, here goes. I now have the overwhelming urge to listen to a certain 20-mintue epic song on a certain CD in which the album was released when I was one year old by a band who's drummer is not gay. Actually, I added some stuff into that one in lieu of the recent discussion. Paul aka Baron Sengir (cute tags will return when I start posting more) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:21:17 -0800 From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/29/96 - 07:15:43" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 07:17:22 GMT on 29 Feb 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:26:00 +0100 From: Bernd Basmer To: email_address_removed Subject: IRC Message-ID: Hi! I just wanted to say that IRC IS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNN!!!!!! :) Sorry. Bye. Bernd. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Bernd Basmer | | _V_ | Zentrum fuer Informations- und | | <*,*> | Kommunikationstechnik | | [( )] | 66424 Homburg/Saar | | -"-"- | | | punk owl | Tel.: 06841/162166 | | | Fax : 06841/930026 | | | Email: email_address_removed.de | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:33:08 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Scott Cook) To: email_address_removed.at Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1301 Message-ID: the moment is Genesis. When I say Genesis, I mean from their first album (Foxtrot, I think) to Seconds Out (their 1977 live double album). During Feb. Tower Records had all mid line cd's on sale, and since Atlantic remastered all the old LP's, I wnet a little crazy and ended up with all the Gabriel/Hackett stuff. This stuff f**king rules! It's what I would call true Progressive music. It is by far [imo] the best prog music I've ever heard, including ELP or Yes. If you're looking for some great prog music, you can't go wrong with early Genesis. I heard something today that made me lose all respect for KISS. When Eric Carr got sick from Brain Cancer, Gene & Paul fired him and removed him from their insurance so they didn't have to pay the higher premiums. What guys, eh. Here's a guy who had some pretty big shoes to fill in Peter Criss, stayed with them for over 10 years (longer than Peter was in the band), even through all the lean years when KISS was struggling, and that's how they say thank you. Some loyalty. Anyway, I had to get that off my chest. I can't wait to hear the Rush show Mike Bahr's putting out this spring. I've heard a few different shows from this tour and they all sounded like shit. It'll be great to have a soundboard show. Mike, you rule! Scott Cook ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:40:41 -0800 From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/29/96 - 07:15:43" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 07:18.19 GMT on 29 Feb 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 03:17:45 PST From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: * DREAM THEATER ARCHIVES - BETA A * Message-ID: Announcement: The Dream Theater Archives is being MOVED to a HIGH SPEED HTTP site which is owned by yours truly. This is a full T1 link serving HTTP, so no more Netcom FTP garbage. Beta testing is now commencing at: http://www2.gmsnet.com/drkhoe/dthome.htm All are welcome... there are links that are not completely up, but all the Dream Theater and Fates Warning Links should be running... E-mail me with any bugs!! All services on Netcom will still be available until further notice! -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ REAL: email_address_removed + VIRTUAL: email_address_removed *@#$*@#$ *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 06:34:26 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Subconscious CD-dubs? Message-ID: Could some kind soul please re-post the ordering info. for the CD copies of Subconscious. Thanks All!!! Stephen Glowacki SEASON'S END email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:22:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Jill M. Lentchner" To: email_address_removed Subject: Other instruments..... Message-ID: Okay guys, it appears we have a tuba, a trombone, a clarinet, a trumpet, and a flute/piccolo (me). There has got to be something we can do. I am honestly interested if anyone can come up with anything. Please don't suggest singing, I am assuming by the fact that no one mentioned it that that is out of the question for us. I hate to have commented on this thread but I can't help. IMO, whether DT is actually attractive is unimportant. Personaly, if I am appreciating what they do, they are automatically very attractive. I will admit the fact that I think they are good looking, James in particular, helps but I think the main reason people are attracted to them (at least for me) is a genuine respect for them, not so much their appearance. Wouldn't it be nice if it were true everywhere in the world? Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:38:54 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT mainstream??????? Message-ID: email_address_removed Once Wrote: my worst nightmare would come true if copy-cat bands were to form in the progressive genre. well, i can't imagine anyone trying to copy DT. you may be able to learn their songs, but try writing a piece on the same level as metropolis. (yeah, right) anyway, i don't think mainstream society is ready for progressive music, and it never will be. i say this because of what people are listening to. (pop-country, rap, pop, sh*t, cheezy sh*t, etc.) these people aren't ready to hear lyrics with the depth of 'voices', or 'uagm', or whatever. there's no sense singling out any song, all of them are 'deep'. But isnt Prog. Music all Copycat? IMHO they all sound the same. Somewhat like Alternative... But then again I guess that's what appeals to the music... DT could be back on top of the charts But MTV wont let it right now.. :) -------------------------------------- | email_address_removed | http://www.pb.net/~pleasuredome | QUOTE OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!! | The more you Run over a Cat | THE FLATTER IT GETS!!!!!!!! -------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:42:58 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1303 Message-ID: Matt Rosin once Wrote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a funny thing happened the other day. a girl in my spanish 201 class asked me what kind of music i listened to, and one of the thing i mentioned, naturally, was prog-metal, to which she responded, "prague? why do you listen to german music?" amazingly enough, that is not the first time that's happened! what's with these people? they act as if they've never heard prog-metal before . . . ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now i have heard of calling a type of music different But thats fucking funny! Yes I (not personaly) have had this happen to me also.. I work with a guy who is totaly into DT. One of the co-workers asks whats playing on the cd player (at the time he has DT AWAKE). My co replys "DT" the guy replys OH thats NERF ROCK.. NERF ROCK!!!!!! He called Music that I grew up with NERF rock. Thats like calling Mike Tyson A WHIMP!!! gheeze............... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:40:54 MET-DST From: "Michael Wolberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: Geography and Powermad; WARNING: no DT-content Message-ID: Hi list. >mentioned, naturally, was prog-metal, to which she responded, "prague? >why do you listen to german music?" ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ Oh, oh...... > Has anyone out there ever heard of a band called POWERMAD. They >released an album in 90'. It is prog metal that is a little heavier >than DT. The album was called " Absolute Power ". AFAIK they released at least two albums. Not easy to find here, I think their stuff is totally out of print. If sombody's interested: They contributed a bit of music to the movie "Wild at Heart" (kinda road-movie with Nicolas Cage). It's also on the soundtrack. Bye, MiWo (P.S. Do you really think Powermad is only *little* heavier than DT ? If I remeber correctly, they were even heavier than ... err ... let's say .. Mekong Delta.) ------------------------------ Date: 29 Feb 1996 08:50:08 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1301 Message-ID: *** Reply to note of 02/28/96 16:53 Listen, kids! You can be married to someone of the opposite sex and still be homosexual. Whether or not you've engaged in the ritual is a moot point! Hello! !!!! LATER- Steve *************************************************************** e v i t c e p s r e p w e n a t e G Steve Johnson, Amoco Media Relations -- email_address_removed *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:03:47 -0600 (CST) From: Sean T Gill To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: 10 years from now Message-ID: Or maybe 15. Just something to think about. What is the possibility that in 10 or 15 years we'll start seeing Nirvana or Pearl Jam or Green Day on those cheesy "Best of some Decade" cd's that get advertised on tv? TTFN-Sean currently in my cd player- Best of the 90's (hey, its not over yet, is it?) Ice Ice Baby Really?! No, not really. |) ------------------------------ Date: 29 Feb 1996 09:28:09 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1300 Message-ID: *** Reply to note of 02/28/96 20:53 Hey Michael Bradley, e-mail me re: your acid jazz band. I'm in one too and would dig chattin' with ya. LATER- Steve (sorry non DTC) *************************************************************** e v i t c e p s r e p w e n a t e G Steve Johnson, Amoco Media Relations -- email_address_removed *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:52:32 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: prog becoming mainstream Message-ID: Hello guys and gals-- I just wanted to address this prog popularity thread. It's never going to happen and there are a few reasons. 1) Prog is too generally too long. This has been mentioned before and it's a very valid point. Mtv can't play prog and neither can radio. Sure, Rush can fit in, but how many of you would categorize that last few Rush albums and progressive as I&W or Awake? "Stick It Out" vs "Scarred"? Don't think so. 2) Most of us are musicians or people who really get into our music. I'm not saying musicians can't get into alternative and other forms of music, but I'm not sure that people who just listen to the radio in there car can get into prog. It's kind of like this analogy: DT can play almost any style of music, but Hole can't play prog. I'm not saying that DT isn't catchy or anything, but most of us appreciate these songs on so many different levels. Now I probably sound like some intellectual snob or something. (I'm not really. I thought Coolio kick ass on the Grammy's last night!) 3) Well, there is no three. Also, for those of you who haven't heard Jason Becker's _Perspective_ album yet, do you yourself a favor and get it. It has some great guitar work by Becker and Firkins and all the songs are really well written. He throws in some interesting styles and a lot of classical ideas. Very cool. Thanks for listening to my waste of bandwidth, Sean Haider ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:44:02 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: email_address_removed Subject: Ben revealed his name? Message-ID: 1) Damn, I missed it....guess I'll keep calling him Ben Lsoad (apologies to Gabbo (or whoever it was that came up with that)) 2) Apologies to any Brians (or Bryans) i left out of my previous post.... 3) an IM Poll? is this the first poll on Ax? or hav i missed others? 4) CAT: that's a right cool .sig quote there.... 5) To the tribute makers (the llama dude): ya need a violin? (I could do something like in losing it from rush....) an orchestral SDV maybe? partha mukhopadhyay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:55:25 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Prague Message-ID: > to which she responded, "prague? why do you listen to > german music?" amazingly enough, that is not the first > time that's happened! what's with these people? they act > as if they've never heard prog-metal before . . . ;) A better question is haven't they heard of geography :)? Prague is in Czecholslovakia (or is that The Czech Republic now? My map is a couple years old). --Marc R ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:55:22 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: some drum clinic thing Message-ID: > Last Saturday, I had the opportunity to attend M.P.'s drum > clinic. Can I just say what a great guy he is?!? He > jammed on his kit a lot, took time out to explain any drum > parts that people might have a question about, and > commented on the new album... Yeah yeah yeah. Who cares. When he comes to the Central Massachusetts area, then we'll have something to talk about :). So if anyone else sees this drum guy doing a clinic, tell him there's someone in MA who wants him to come here to do a clinic. Thanks :) --Marc R ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1304 **************************