YTSEJAM Digest 1293 Today's Topics: 1) SNL by email_address_removed 2) Election 96 by email_address_removed 3) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/25/96 - 23:26:37" 4) recording by Mark Smeets 5) The Idiotic Drinking Game by "Ryan Eschauzier '97" 6) Music influence by Pat Sullivan 7) Subconcious by email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) 8) by Paul Mc Clelland 9) Scotch Tape by Steve Borzilleri 10) James on AD by email_address_removed 11) Me and Ernie have some speech problems by email_address_removed 12) Whew! by email_address_removed 13) Um... by email_address_removed 14) Bluurgh! by email_address_removed 15) My pests about Derek by email_address_removed 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1292 by email_address_removed 17) The 'Jam's name, slow CD players and "Finger"... by "Dr. Teeth" 18) The State of the Jam by "Christopher R. Merlo" 19) Cats, Subcon Boots, Stop^3 by Steve Borzilleri ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:17:06 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: SNL Message-ID: Hey, does anyone know the address for Saturday Night Live? Why don't we try to get DT on? (drink). SNL is in a definate decline, and they have shitty unknown bands on all the time, so why shouldn't they have a talented unknown band on for once? Also, to whoever suggested we try Conan, why not? 1)They support prog-King Crimson was on a few months ago. 2)I think that Conan has heard of DT-Would they be allowed to use those samples in SDV without permission? later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:17:07 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Election 96 Message-ID: Okay, everyone. Its time to elect the KING OF THE YTSEJAM! The two highest contenders are Bafu and Ben Laussade, but you can write in anyone you want. Send your vote to me privately with a subject of "vote" and I will announce the winner on Friday or Saturday (or Sunday). later-------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:27:28 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/25/96 - 23:26:37" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 23:27:23 GMT on 25 Feb 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:34:55 PST From: Mark Smeets To: email_address_removed Subject: recording Message-ID: ** Reply to note from email_address_removed 02/25/96 3:16pm -0800 Hey guys, I don't exactly follow what the idea is with the recording threads but this is how it works when your in a studio. Drums always ALWAYS have the most mics, so most of the time, the first 20 channels are for the drums only, depending on how big your set is. The bass will take up maybe 3 channels. 1)DI-Direct Input 2)2 mics from the amp itself and yes, some people use 2 mics for bass amps. Guitars, only 1 or 2 mics, no more. Vocals-depends, 1 mic for sure, 2 or 3 group mics for big groups back-up vocals. The first thing to get done is to lay down the drums tracks with the WHOLE band, then bass or guitar, usually rythm guitar, leads are almost always last. Once thats done, everyone else just plays along to the drum trax, either that or the entire band will take the song and play it all at the same time and TRY to get the song in one take. DT didn't do this, they do everthing seperately, I noticed this after watching Live In Tokyo. Stuff like Keyboards and percussion are done last, they aren't as important. SO, it goes drums, bass, guitar, vocals. Thats how its done in most places. A great example of this can be found on Megadeth's Youthanasia video called Evolver. ANy other question, ask please. I sorta do this for a living and I've been in the studio a few times myself for demo's etc... Mark /*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/ #For to long now, there've been secrets in my mind. *Waiting for the winter sun #For to long now, there were things I should have said *and the cold light of day #In the darkness, *The misty Ghosts of childhood fears #I was stumblin to find the door *The Pressure is building, I can't stay away #To find A reason, #To find the time, the place, the hour. ^I throw myself into the sea, release the wave let it wash over me. ^To Face the fear I once believed..THE TEARS OF THE DRAGON FOR YOU AND FOR ME....... New Web site http://140.141.22.35/stranger/stranger.htm /*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:45:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" To: email_address_removed Subject: The Idiotic Drinking Game Message-ID: I'll be the first one to admit, I thought this whole drinking game thing was funny, THE FIRST TIME!!! I mean, enough is enough. I've been on this list for a while now, and when I first began to receive it, I thought it was by FAR the best list. I am on the Rush and Marillion lists as well, and I always found that in the Rush list, all they ever talked about were their favorite songs or albums, and the Marillion list seemed to be very technical, but informative. The jam was always the coolest, because there was talk about the band, the Ronnie Scotts show, cool songs for Dream Theater to cover, reviews of shows and bootlegs, a lot of opportunity to trade, etc. But now, this list is the WORST list I am on. I really do appreciate some of the posts which are very helpful to me. I never would have listened to Fates Warning, Kings X, or Savatoge without this list. I would never have received a copy of WDATU, which is probably to a lot of Dream Theater fans, the ultimate bootleg. But if the band really does read these sometimes, I am embarassed for how far this drinking game thing has gone; but hey, I guess there isn't anything better to talk about....Does anyone have any idea how many less people are reading this list now, I am just curious. To those of you who will write in, quoting me and tearing apart my post, comment by comment, I am subscribed to the Metropolis list, which has yet to come out. It is really hard to keep up on current Dream Theater news, so this is really the only way. Skipping through all the moronic posts is fairly easy, so I will continue to do that. But I think of it this way: When I read the original drinking game post, I laughed, and thought of a million more of them. I figured everyone else did, too. It was a funny post with funny punchlines, but the punchlines are over. 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * *{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}* "A Bridge is not a high place "Stealthily Attacking The fifty second floor By-Tor slays his foe Icarus would know The men are free to run now A mountain isn't far to fall In the labyrinth below" When you've fallen from the moon." -Steve Hogarth -Neil Peart *<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>* email_address_removed Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085 Connecticut College ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 18:49:08 EST From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: Music influence Message-ID: Just thought I'd relay a story that shows the kind of influence the 'jam has had on my music purchases. I went to a CD show today, mostly looking for DT boots. I didn't buy any, but I bought three other CD's: Shadow Gallery - "Carved In Stone" Galactic Cowboys - "Space In Your Face" Dixie Dregs - "Bring 'Em Back Alive" None of these are bands I listen to regularly, but all three *have* been mentioned on here at one point or another. You people are a bad influence. :) Okay, back to the Tori Amos/falsetto-jam. email_address_removed Sullivan________________ "You could chop off a man's head three times a day for twenty years, and he'd grow used to it, and cry like a baby if you stopped." __________________________________Robert Sheckley_-_"Immortality, Inc."_____ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:51:06 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) To: email_address_removed Subject: Subconcious Message-ID: Hey Guys! Ok, I know this may be getting annoying, but I'm still looking for a copy of the original "Subconcious" on CD. If anyone can help me with this and can give me a FAIR deal(I know how collectable it is, believe me) PLEASE e-mail me personally. Also, I'm still looking for a copy of the Japanese ACOS with or without the limited edition single of "Tears," but preferably with. Later all! -Mike Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:48:31 -0500 From: Paul Mc Clelland To: email_address_removed Message-ID: Greetings jammers!!! This is my first post on here, so I guess if you play the ytsejam drinking game, TAKE A DRINK! (I'll pass...did enough of that last night) I just LOVE that purple bag that comes with Crown Royal! And by the way, you guys drink some WEIRD stuff... I took the advice of a recent post and bought Chasing Time. Although skeptical at first, I was pleasantly surprised! I'd recommend it to any DT fan. I'm at PURDUE UNIVERSITY, and I'm wondering if any of yon ytsejammers are here, or near here, or have heard of here! I need reassurance that there's more than one of me on this campus! Does anybody know how many jammers there are? Are we hundreds or thousands strong? Millions? (Yeah right...there aren't that many smart people in this world) As for all these comparisons shooting around, who cares? Either you like the music or you don't! I'm not going to hate DT because somebody has convinced me Alex Van Halen is better than JP! Ain't gonna happen... Well, for my 3 dinars worth, RUSH/DT would rule, but they're better off going separately. Well, I'm going off beat a little bit here, and out on a limb, too. My cousin used to be the drummer for a band named S.S. ALEXANDER. It would have been in the Chicago area about 5-8 years ago, maybe Florida too...has anybody heard of them? If so, e-mail me because I'm curious...sort of a memory kinda thing. He passed away recently (long story...ended up on Current Affair). Any help appreciated! Pauly (email_address_removed) No, I don't have no damn sig file... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri To: Dream Thespians Subject: Scotch Tape Message-ID: > From: Scotch > To: The Country Club > Subject: Only a Matter Of Time. Whoooops. Pardon my similar reference to the IRC drinking game. I usually reply to the last five or six 'jams at once. You know, in SPURTS, Mr. twitching quill... > Bafu sez: "Stop yer grinnin' and drop yer linen." > Bafu does his thing and I try to do mine... whatever those things are > exactly. Actually, I have to change the duct tape soon, she's almost free. Boy, what I wouldn't give for a closet with sound-proofed insulation... > Does anyone smell something burned out? (kidding, > kidding...) Burned out? You mean like when a star loses all its radiance? I'd almost think you were referring to dark stars, but then again dark stars don't have any radiance to begin with. Maybe you mean when a dark star goes supernova, where the only radiance it knows is a brief flash as it explodes into permanent nothingness? Yes, that would be "burned out." And you sure would smell it. (kidding, kidding, space is a vacuum, no one would smell anything) > Steve, Steve, Steve (that's 3 chugs)... that's just not true. And > remember, I am at the University of Virginia, and Mr. Jefferson's Honor > Code strictly forbids lying. Yeah, the University of Washington is like that. Everyone here must either sit or stand. > Besides, I'm not out to impress people... I write for the sheer love of > the craft. Why do you do it, just to impress people and inflate your ego, > YOU FUCKING SELLOUT???? Sellout? Do my ears deceive me, or do I hear Jam himself in that tone of voice? :) > Easy for you to say, Mr.blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah > rageragerageragerageragerageragerageragerageragerageragerageragerage > yousuckyousuckyousuckyousuckyousuckyousuckyousuckyousuckyousuckyousuck > IhatebafuvaiIhatebafuvaiIhatebafuvaiIhatebafuvaihatebafuvaiIhatebafuvai > nodecafnodecafnodecafnodecafnodecafnodecafnodecafnodecafnodecafnodecaf > getthisdamnjacketoffamegetthisdamnjacketoffamegetthisdamnjacketoffame Have you been forgetting your medication again? Shame shame shame. > Yet where is the weakness? Where's the integrity? Where's the truth? > Where's the soul? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. > You're just basically all fucked up is what it comes down to in the end. > But then again, I guess all of us are. I'm just Bafu? Yeah...I guess I am. :) > But man, I really can't figure out how to say "Borzilleri" It's pronounced "Geh-ouw-ta-way!" Or in Italian, "Whassa-matta-you!" What I can't figure out is how to say "Ytsejam." ;) ---- > From: email_address_removed > Subject: back again > > jp v. evh- like i have previously mentioned, it's apples and oranges and > smoked salmon and crack. Now that you mention it, who was it that was asking about possible snacks for the next Ytsecon? > kaiser soze. Yikes... Rahul, from what I remember, Sherinian was playing at the Seattle show. I'm pretty sure Rudess was only with the band for the first one or two shows of the tour, then was replaced with Sherinian. bafu the mystical potato head groove thing vai ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:16:37 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: James on AD Message-ID: > Koba, you know how I feel about James's singing. Also, I happen >to LOVE the way he sings Another Day. If you ever, ever say anything >like that again I will have to reach through the computer and strangle you. > Have a nice day :) I'll back you up, Dave. If you're talking about the Acoustic Dreams version. He's hitting bas notes left and right, and off key, and yuck! later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:17:06 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Me and Ernie have some speech problems Message-ID: >>I always say "AY-COSE" Instead of A change of Seasons (Jsut while I'm >typing) > >You think thats bad? I say "WUH-DADU"!!! ME TOO! As well as that, I say Oh-Aah-Mot and Wifs and when I'm saying something about Take The Time, I sound like I'm studdering! later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:16:46 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Whew! Message-ID: >Brian Adams >(No, not that Bryan Adams) GOOD! later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:16:46 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Um... Message-ID: >>LAW-SAYD :) >BZZ!!!! Wrong! OK, um does it rhyme with Cow fade or plow fed? later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:17:15 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Bluurgh! Message-ID: >>>Also, I had never heard of "When Dream and Day Unite" until I subscribed >>>to the jam. Is it available in stores? If not, how can I get a copy? >> >>I think this demands a full chug :) > >Oops! I thought he said 'When Dream and TODAY unite'... I made a boo-boo:) So everyone VOMIT! later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:16:49 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: My pests about Derek Message-ID: OK, I thank you all for the flames about Derek. Thanx to anyone who said I was a moron, fucking idiot, or "waaay out of line". Now I should clear the air up a little. First, I said throughout my posts that Derek was talented and could play very well. Second, I really do think his style fits the band. The age thing, I meant how old is he as in how long ago did he play with Kiss and Cooper, not saying he was old, just saying that I never knew his age. Is that really him in Wayne's World? And the whole gay thing was just a joke. I have no idea of the sexuality of any DT member, nor do I care. (I'm assuming JP and JL are straight, being they have wives, but you never know). They could be gay, or bi, or smoke crack, or shoot heroin, or whatever, and none of that would take away from their incredible talent. I have no personal vedetta (sp) against Derek. I sincerely apologise to Derek and any jammer I offended. later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:17:36 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1292 Message-ID: >I ASK YOU AGAIN -- PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THESE MESSAGES. REMOVE ME FROM >YOUR LIST. I DO NOT WISH TO GET EMAIL FROM YOU. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN ANY OF >THE MESSAGES YOU HAVE SENT TO ME. STOP STOP STOP > > Does this guy realise he's talking to a fucking computer and not a moderator? Anyway, he sucks for having no intrest in the messages we're sending him. later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 18:33:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Dr. Teeth" To: email_address_removed Subject: The 'Jam's name, slow CD players and "Finger"... Message-ID: Ben Laussade wrote: >>What if we all just recorded instruments of our choice >>along with the Cd or something, then we could send the tapes into one >>mixing guy, and he could do the rest from there? I think it would be >>cool & fun! > >Yeah...but if somebody's CD player is slow, we have a bunch of different >tempos to deal with. I still think if we wait till summer, we may be able >to actually get a few people in a studio to play together. That would kick >ass...huh-huhCOOL!huhuhu... :-) Ben, you're dumb. Probably ate one of my evil black nachos. Isn't it true that a CD player produces digital sound, therefore ALL CD music is played the exact same speed, despite the quality of your player? So although tape decks often have a varience in speed (and thus sometimes the music is slower and lower...) CD players physically don't have to deal with this. Of couse I'm not claiming that all CDs spin at EXACTLY the same speed, but the music that's being "read" isn't released right away. It's oversampled so that you get a nice quality sound from any player. Of course there are some CD players out there that have NO oversampling but I think they went out of style as quickly as Beta tapes did... I'm not technical audio guru but I think I'm write. (Perhaps this topic might awake the sleeping giant, Hairball...) So in the words of Jim Carey, Ben - you're "Wrong, Poopy-pants!" In reference to Al Balkewicz, First I then Ben wrote: >>You're giving the 'Jam a very bad name. Especially by not saying anything. > >No...he's giving himSELF a bad name. What does the Jam have to prove to anyone? True, but he's also tarnishing the 'Jam's squeaky-clean image of an enviroment where people can come in, trade and leave feeling like they have that "just showered" feeling. With jerks online like Al, people will hesitate to trade, not trust any and all jammers and probably resort to douching. Now that I've got that out of the way... I was wondering how many systems out there can't "Finger" an account. If you don't know what this is, I have this "status" thing of my account that I can change from time to time. If you type: Finger email_address_removed you'll see my name, stuff about me and my "Plan". I'm asking because soon I'll be selling a DT bootleg I have and I was wondering if it would be fair to put the highest bidded price on my "plan". That way I could have a nice little online "Auction" without me telling everyone what price it's set at. But if this "Finger" thing is not accessible to most people.. then I won't bother. I'm on a Vax machine so I don't know how up-to-date this stuff is, ya know? (Vax = old) Let me know, people!!! .-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=. | ______ "Hmmmmmmm..." ____ ______ - David Peterson - | | /\_____\ /\ \ /\ /\___\ /\_____\ email_address_removed | | / /___ / / \/ / / / /\ /_/__ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| | / /\__/\ / / / / / / / / /\____\ "The most beautiful thing that | | /_/___/ //_/___ / / /_/___/ / /_/____ this world has to offer is a | | \_____\/ \_____\ \/ \_____\/ \______\ woman's smiling face" - Me | `-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:31:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: Ytse Jam Subject: The State of the Jam Message-ID: I went away for the weekend and found 6 Jams in the inbox tonight when I got back. SIX! I expected at least 10. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ \|/ ____ \|/ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ ,. \`@" email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:43:29 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri To: Dream Thespians Subject: Cats, Subcon Boots, Stop^3 Message-ID: What the hell was Allison Eng thinking? Magazines?? Howabout a rolled-up magazine to swat her a couple times? ---- > From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) > Subject: Thanks... > > And now: The Strange Effects of Dream Theater on Cats, part 1. I thought this was a pretty brutal story. I guess in Europe they have an equivalent to the American game, "Kick The Can," called "Kick The Cat." And Damon says I'M a twisted individual... :) ---- > From: email_address_removed > Subject: CD dubs of Mike Bahr's SUBCONSCIOUS > > Fellow YTSEJAMMERS sit down before you hurt yourselves. Yes it is > true I can make you a copy of SUBCONSCIOUS on CD. Now before you mess > yourself understand that this is a COPY and it is not an original from > some secret stock pile. Can anyone tell me what such recordings would be called? Booty-bootlegs? Double-bypass bootlegs? Bahr-legs? > It WILL sound exactly the same as the original. > It WILL NOT look exactly the same as the original. > It WILL cost the same as the original. $25 U.S. It WILL increase your sex drive. It WILL NOT add highlights to your hair. It WILL increase your falsetto range. ---- > From: email_address_removed (Steve Alexander) > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1291 > > I ASK YOU AGAIN -- PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THESE MESSAGES. REMOVE ME FROM > YOUR LIST. I DO NOT WISH TO GET EMAIL FROM YOU. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN ANY > OF THE MESSAGES YOU HAVE SENT TO ME. STOP STOP STOP OWW! (winces, covers ears) Someone turn him off! ---- > From: email_address_removed > Subject: Tori Amos... > > It really angers me... > > MY OPINION!!! MY FUCKING OPINION....My interest in exploding the > reason why Tori Amos is so famous is MY OPINION.... Geez, if my opinions angered me as much as Mojo's angers him, I'd probably stop thinking... Synopsis: "If I think Tori Amos should fuck herself to get attention and sell music, it's MY FUCKING OPINION!" > Formal warning....back off man.... Hey Jason Giles, think you can make some wheel-flaps with a picture of Mojoman, encaptioned "Back Off" ? ---- > From: Scott Daugherty > Subject: Oh, just some stuff > > Another thing: I'm grateful to the fellow who is willing to make copies > of Subconcious, but since the copy won't include the cover art or liner > notes, etc., shouldn't it be a little cheaper? Good point. > Oh yeah, by the way, I'm writing this in falsetto. :) HAAAARHARHAR!! (Adrenaline-Induced Advertisement: Everyone should go see "Rumble In The Bronx." It R-O-C-K-S. I'll be first in line when Nike comes out with the Air Chan cross-training/building-hopping/fence-scaling athletic shoe.) Bafu Vai p.s. dt rules. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1293 **************************