YTSEJAM Digest 1276 Today's Topics: 1) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/20/96 - 03:30:50" 2) re: jam 1274 by email_address_removed 3) Birch Hill Tapes by email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) 4) DT&Rush...germany by Ernesto Schnack 5) I'm A Wasted Rock Ranger by "John R. Kotzian" 6) observations by email_address_removed 7) Subconscious for trade by jbako01 8) Portnoys Kick Pedals by Dave 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1275 by Dave 10) Is James singing falsetto? by "Ryan Whitaker" 11) Re: Glass Hammer by "Paul W. Cashman" 12) Had a dream by email_address_removed 13) LaBrie's best shows... by Adam Pye 14) Drinking Game Re-visited by "John R. Kotzian" 15) "Surrrounded" by "Paul W. Cashman" 16) Re: Is James singing falsetto? by "Edward Polzin, Jr." 17) Re: The Hangover: blindness, NDTC by "Damon M. Fibraio" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:31:26 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/20/96 - 03:30:50" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 03:31:18 GMT on 20 Feb 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:57:21 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: re: jam 1274 Message-ID: I see It only took about a week for someone to reply to an ENTIRE jam. Maybe we should start some kind of betting pool to see how long it takes before this ytsejam starts getting moderated too. I want to get in on this Eddie vs. whoever thread. There was a time when Eddie was one of the most exciting guitarists, but even he admitted in a 1993 interview that he's Doing the same things he was doing 15 years ago. Some of the best guitar work I've ever heard is Bill Nelson, who was in a band in the 70's called Be Bop DeLuxe. They did a live album called 'Live! in the Air-Age' that I think is one of the best live albums ever recorded because it was a live album, not a remixed studio recording with audience track over it a la KISS. Of course this is ONLY my opinion. If you disagree, ok by me. Scott Cook They call me Mr. Knowitall, I am so eloquent Perfection is my middle name and whatever rhymes with eloquent. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:01:59 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) To: email_address_removed Subject: Birch Hill Tapes Message-ID: Hey Guys! I am now listening to the tapes of the Dec. Birch Hill show, and I'll post a brief review about the general quality of the recording. My initial impressions of the recording was that it was a bit bass-heavy, like I've heard other people mention. But I found by the end of the first song I was totally used to it! Besides, Dream Theater sounds best bass-heavy!!! :) I was psyched that Brian decided to keep the whole Steven Wright intro that was played before the concerts. James sounds awesome on the Silent Man and I think the crowd noise is really cool, because it's energetic and they sing in tune!! I'm really impressed with the mix. Derek, who is sometimes drowned out live is WAY up in the mix at times. By the way, anyone who still has doubts about Derek should check out his solo in Scarred. I must say that this is one of the best audience recordings I have heard in a long time. Thank you Brian and my "father" Jason! P.S.--Right now I'm listening to the part in the Silent Man where James sings it up an octave. Wow... Later all! -Mike Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 04:23:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernesto Schnack To: email_address_removed Subject: DT&Rush...germany Message-ID: I have to say that the the DT opening for Rush possibility would be awesome... first of all, even though it would lose the intimacy , I think DT's music is more appropriate for larger venues because it's so...so...so.... GRANDOISE! I personally could not imagine them plaing in clubs after I heard I&W... until I saw and heard it.... but anyways imagine this... right in the part in PMU when JL sings 'Watch the sparrow falling(etc.)', right when the band comes again after the silence... BOOM! one of those big light thingys that leave you seeing birdies for a year or two... that would be awesome.... Besides that... it'd just be awesome seeing my 2 all-time favorite bands playing togethter... and as for Rush fans freaking out on DT... remember Primus opened for Rush once... did you hear that... PRIMUS! (not that I don't like Primus... I love Primus) Also I think ha=ving DT opening for them would have Rush on top o' their chops and possibly play more from there progressive era... which brings me to a curious thought... how would DT react when they meet Rush (I don't know if they already did)- you know Bahr told us we should act normal to DT when we see them... well let's just imagine a conversation between JP and Alex... would it be: JP: Hey Alex, what's up, how' the family? AL: Oh they're fine... how're the twins? JP: 'Oh yuou know...growing' -OR- JP: Alex man your like the best guitar in the world. Al: Thanxs man JP: No I really mean it... you made me the guitarist I am today.. AL: Aw SHUCKS John, don't say that... I'm sure it would be more like the first one because they're both very down-to-earth kind o'guys, but you never know because after all... DT are fans also.. all this from a guy who has only gone to one real concert in his life (Soda Stereo for you fellow Latino-jammers) because no one good ever comes to Panama:( >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Jason T Breitweg (email_address_removed) | >| Ich bin ein Dream Theaterfan | >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Ich bin auch ein Dream Theaterfan... hey I'm going to Germany this summer also... but I'm going to Rothenberg to study german (ARGGHH) PROCRASTINATION: It's a way of life! This message brought to you by the PTP foundation(Proud to Procrastinate). A non- profit organization dedicated to waiting for tomorrow to support procrastination. Ernie email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:50:15 -0500 (EST) From: "John R. Kotzian" To: email_address_removed Subject: I'm A Wasted Rock Ranger Message-ID: Hey, I just thought that I'd try my hand at the ytsejam drinking game. I won. (Tee he hee.) It was a tough battle, only cost me 7 white russians and 4 beers. (Labatt Blue). I feel like toasting Mike Bahr...To Mike Bahr, Fuck Yeah Mike! Craig "The-Vorlon" Newmeyer, Who partied with me on my birthday lasdt week, Email me at the koggie address, I can't seem to get any mail to you, so you try some at me. Oh, and for anyone trying to win the ytsejam drinking game...I'm just glad that Chuck D was not the singer for Dream Theater on AWK! -- -.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----.. J O H N K O T Z I A N : email_address_removed email_address_removed "I want to look at life, in the available light." - Rush "Let the light surround you." - Dream Theater "O.k., everyone light up." - Doug McKenzie -.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:53:39 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: observations Message-ID: well, i've been checking out a couple of mailing lists, namely the one for alanis morissette and tori amos, and lemme tell ya, the ytsejam is a lot better than those other jams. ahh......how nice it is to find common ground on a mailing list. not that the tori/alanis people were complete dolts (although some came close), but umm, the topics here are quite more relevant. i never really cared as to who tori last fucked. apparently, someone who transcribed a new interview of hers did care. i didn't dig it. i don't really care if she belives in god or is afraid of failure. they did. it's nice that here we can talk about MUSIC. and not about who derek fucks (or james, johns, or mike). music is the bread and butter, i won't even get into the alanis thing. that just sucked left sweaty testicle. to: le homme digitale (merlo) re: extreme as prog like i said, i may be wrong about my extreme observations. and yes, i am aware of that really long thing on "3 sides." i guess this relates to the "is nine inch nails progressive?" issue. i shouldn't have really said anything about extreme since i know little of them, but from what i did gather of them, i didin't think so. that pat guy sure had a lot to say. kevin was fired?? that's news to me. this "rock pop and soul" class i'm ta'ing made my day today. they had to submit a list of their top 5 bands, and we compiled them up. of course, the beatles won, followed by the usuals like zeppelin, floyd, pearl jam, u2, dave matthews (gimme a break!). but coming in at a strong number 39 was, you guessed it, dream theater!!! 7 people out of 220 actually like dt in this class. and even better, they beat out depeche mode (which was at #40). ahhhhhh. ok. bye. dk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:15:32 -0500 (EST) From: jbako01 To: email_address_removed Subject: Subconscious for trade Message-ID: I wasn't able to get me a copy of AD, so I'm willing to make the ultimate sacrifice :) Anyone willing to trade an "Acoustic Dreams" CD for a "Subconcious" CD, PLEASE let me know. Thanks. James Bako "This silence, deafening email_address_removed Kept inside, RAGES!" Polytechnic University -Anacrusis Brooklyn, New York "My Soul's Affliction" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:17:25 -0500 From: Dave To: email_address_removed Subject: Portnoys Kick Pedals Message-ID: At 07:31 PM 2/19/96 -0800, you wrote: > YTSEJAM Digest 1275 > >A question for drummers on the list, Nicko being extremelt excellent >and fast and amazing on the drums, with his single foot...how often >does a guy Like MP use a single foot, not counting double bass >sections. For Example, Nick Menza of Megadeth uses a single kick ALOT >when he's not doing a double bass section, MP do that or does he rely >on both peddles to keep the beat goin? > >mark > Well Mark, I am no Mike Portnoy, but I've been playing drums and guitar for years. I think I have somewhat of an answer to your question: One point I'd like to bring up here...MP's HI HAT technique. If you listen closely, Portnoy is CONSTANTLY using incredible hi hat cymbal technique, closing and opening it by switching his left foot from bass pedal to hi hat pedal. When you are listening to Mikes left foot on the 2nd bass drum, also listen for what it.s doing on the hi hat. In fact it almost seems that he is doing with just his left foot, what many drummers need both for! Judging by the speed and accuracy he displays with that, I would say MP could keep the beat going with the small toe of his right foot if he had to. :) I don't think he has to "rely" on double bass at all, but he DOES know how to use the double bass to it's optimum potential. Dave PS- Although I like Nicko McBrain, he couldn't touch MP on his best day :) IMHO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:31:01 -0500 From: Dave To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1275 Message-ID: > So you've just bought Parallels by Fates Warning since you've heard all those > guys on the mailing list and newsgroups talk about Fates Warning. You've > never actually heard any Fates but you listen to plenty of Dream Theater > and Rush. > > You rush home to hear the CD, put it on, hit the play button, you don't hear > anything too exciting, you think, it'll get better! You listen to the whole > album and on the whole you weren't too impressed. You think to yourself,--------------------------- > Do you have a spy camera in my house????? This is exactly what just took place here recently...I got the CD last week. I was about to blow them off, but after this post (and AMAZING coincidence) I am going to give FW a second shot. I mean, the music is cool, and they are very good but it seems to be lacking something for me. It almost sounds like they play the songs cuz it's their job or something...it didn't seem to have a "fire" to me. To me they haven't matched the "feeling" I get from Dream Theater and Queensryche, even though a song or 2 on the CD sounded like a "half powered" version of Ryche. But since you posted this, and it blew me away, I am going to check them out some more before I decide!:) Thanks, Dave email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:07:25 +0000 From: "Ryan Whitaker" To: email_address_removed Subject: Is James singing falsetto? Message-ID: This is something I've been wondering for the longest time. When James gets so high (or any male singer for that matter) is he singing in falsetto? In Another Day on Acoustic Dreams it's pretty apparent he's singing falsetto there, but I'm not too sure about on all the other songs. I'm guessing it isn't falsetto... _______________________________________________________________ | Samsonite, Web Page Designer, email_address_removed | | - Web Pages for flat fee of $200, no hourly rates | | - Custom graphics | | - No limit of number of linked pages or graphics | | Please compare my price -and- quality to other companies! | | For more information, e-mail me or look on the Web at: | | ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/go/godfther/design/samweb.htm | `---------------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:12:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Glass Hammer Message-ID: Would the Jammer who was interested in Glass Hammer please email me directly? They played at our summer SF/fantasy convention here in Atlanta last year and were quite good, and they had CDs for sale. I have some contact info squirreled away in email somewhere. Also, I -think- my friend Scott Merritt at Pegasus Publishing (email_address_removed) is still carrying JOURNEY OF THE DUNADAN at least. Try emailing him. (He had them for sale at the convention.) They're interesting in returning; no definite plans for which bands will be playing on which nights this year, although GWAR is confirmed for late Sat./early Sunday. The convention Web-page, for those truly interested: http://www.dscga.com/~dragoncon --Largest SF/fantasy/gaming/comics convention on the planet. :) -- ... Paul W. Cashman email_address_removed www.crl.com/~vanyel ......... . Though we live in trying times, we're the ones who have to try . . Though we know that time has wings, we're the ones who have to fly . ................ "Everyday Glory" N. Peart ...................... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:29:31 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Had a dream Message-ID: I had a dream one night. I was at a Dream Theater show. I was really excited because I haven't seen them live before. The opening tune is Metropolis; I really like that song so thiings are looking good. James started singing and his voice sounds really good. I'm singing along with the rest of the audience. All of a sudden when James sings 'Death is the first dance, eternal' and looks in my direction. I'm laughing my ass off; James gets pissed and walks off and the show is over! Of course everybody wants to kick my ass. Why was I laughing? Because when he sang that line, all I could think about is 'Death is the first dancing turtle.' I don't think I'll evr be able to listen to that song the same way again. Thanks Bafu! :) Scott Cook Venus DeMilo, a statue of note She lays in the gutter, a knife in her throat Naked as sin, no, not even a coat She gave you a thrill, you gave her a grope It's a fair exchange (Fair Exchange by BeBop Deluxe) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:39:17 -0500 From: Adam Pye To: email_address_removed Subject: LaBrie's best shows... Message-ID: Greets. My first post to the Jam, mod'd or unmod'd. 'Twas wondering what everyone thinks was James' best performance in concert? This would apply more to tape traders than anyone, since we have access to the most shows. I've got several including the '93 Summerfest "Lords of Sound" show and the January '95 show from Saitama, Japan, and he isn't particularly good at either of these. The notes he seems to miss are relatively easy sustained notes. I don't have LaBries top end and I easily hold those notes when I perform. It's funny 'cuz the Summerfest show was only a couple of months removed from the LatM show where he was generally great. Any comments? Adam \\\// (@ @) =======oOO===(_)===OOo================================================== -Adam Pye || 197 Myers Hall email_address_removed || University of Georgia http://www.negia.net/~alpine || Athens, Ga 30609 (Includes bootlist!) || "Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines." --Enzo Ferrari ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:49:19 -0500 (EST) From: "John R. Kotzian" To: email_address_removed Subject: Drinking Game Re-visited Message-ID: Hey, Still Drunk from the earlier post, yet, having a good time. I am currently listening to the awesome jam part of Metropolis part 1, and thinking that it wqould be cool to have another beer. Anyway, I wasa just wondering, as I often do, how many of you ytsejammerz are professionals, and how many of you still dream of becoming something greater than the reality in which you are currently residing in, much like drunk old me. I mean, How many of you are content with who you are, and how many think you can be so much more? I fall in the catagory(?) of the latter. And for all you who are better, oh well, don't read this. One last question: How many of you (Mike B) have ever submitted a post to the jam drunk and made a fool of yourself? -.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----.. J O H N K O T Z I A N : email_address_removed email_address_removed "I want to look at life, in the available light." - Rush "Let the light surround you." - Dream Theater "O.k., everyone light up." - Doug McKenzie -.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:52:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: "Surrrounded" Message-ID: I have to heartily disagree with the Jammer who opined that "Surrounded" was best in studio.... *buzz* thank you for playing and we have some fine Parting Gifts for you. IMO, "Surrounded" is far better live than on I&W: there's the more-complete keyboard ending as well as more keyboard embellishing elsewhere by Kevin (I'm thinking especially of the versions on LatM and MAJESTIC HARMONIES), the sometimes-cool audience singalong at the end (hmm, which boot has the best one? I think LORDS OF SOUND, where James is clearly delighted with the audience).....plus the live versions always seem to have more life and vibrancy than the I&W version, which sounds flat in comparison. Just IMO. --Paul 'Pellaz' on irc.dreamt.org:2112 -- ... Paul W. Cashman email_address_removed www.crl.com/~vanyel ......... . Though we live in trying times, we're the ones who have to try . . Though we know that time has wings, we're the ones who have to fly . ................ "Everyday Glory" N. Peart ...................... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:59:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Edward Polzin, Jr." To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Is James singing falsetto? Message-ID: I know on the Subcon version of winter he definitely is. That's the only time that i can really tell. Anyone else have ideas? Ed WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ DT: http://isr0939.urh.uiuc.edu/dt/dt.htm BOOTLEGS: http://isr0939.urh.uiuc.edu/boots.htm ------------------------------------------ You walk into a room to find only a  dead man, shot through the head, a  table, and fifty-three bicycles on  the floor. What happened? ------------------------------------------ - finger email_address_removed - - for the answer - ------------------------------------------   On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Ryan Whitaker wrote: > This is something I've been wondering for the longest time. When > James gets so high (or any male singer for that matter) is he singing > in falsetto? In Another Day on Acoustic Dreams it's pretty apparent > he's singing falsetto there, but I'm not too sure about on all the > other songs. I'm guessing it isn't falsetto... > > _______________________________________________________________ > | Samsonite, Web Page Designer, email_address_removed | > | - Web Pages for flat fee of $200, no hourly rates | > | - Custom graphics | > | - No limit of number of linked pages or graphics | > | Please compare my price -and- quality to other companies! | > | For more information, e-mail me or look on the Web at: | > | ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/go/godfther/design/samweb.htm | > `---------------------------------------------------------------' > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 2:45:07 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: The Hangover: blindness, NDTC Message-ID: I know this is way off topic, but it probably should be in a FAQ somewhere because I am fielded this question every day. So, whether you are playing the game or not, I'll try to make this explanation brief so we could get back to Dream Theater content. (drink) I was born blind. My condition is called Congenital Leibers. It is a condition that deals with the rods and cones in my retinas. There is no surgery of glasses that can correct the condition. It is supposedly a degeneration thing, which means that I should lose the small amount of vision I have. So far, my eyes are fine, and I can still walk around campus without being hospitalized. For the record, I see depending on lighting conditions. I have no night vision. The best conditions are a clear sunny afternoon. ON days like this, I can see some color, but not much. I was once told I had 12/1200 vision, (20/20 is normal, don't ask what it means, I have no idea.) I am told that I have a chance of passing my condition onto my children if my future wife has the same genetics I do. Nobody else in my entire family is blind, at least not as severely as me. I read braille, but I know print, even though I am very slow to read and it has to be really large and I get headaches from trying to read it. My computer talks. It sounds like Steven Hawking from the Pink Floyd song Keep Talking. Most importantly, and I say this to all you "normal" people who may run into handicapped people throughout life, is that handicaps aside, I am just like the rest of you, I just look upon the world a little differently. and I have better senses than all of you. :) OK, back to the Dt content. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1276 **************************