YTSEJAM Digest 1266 Today's Topics: 1) Mail Item Format Warning by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/17/96 - 04:46:01" 2) Perfect Strangers quote by Ernesto Schnack 3) Derek/Live at the Marquee/James Labrie by extrudex@mediom.qc.ca (Jeff Smith) 4) Re: Gandalf speaks by jbako01 5) Mainstream by "Randall W. Aquino" 6) King's X, Death metal by "Randall W. Aquino" 7) YTSEJAM digest 1265 (fwd) by Scott Daugherty 8) Re: Mainstream by jbako01 9) calling all traders by email_address_removed 10) Re: jam 1265 by email_address_removed 11) The world of the YtseJam..... by email_address_removed 12) conch by kristopher long 13) hi everyone! I'm wasted again! by Michael Bahr 14) TO the Italian Guy by Dave 15) True (as opposed to fuckin') idiocy by "Paul W. Cashman" 16) King's X and Savatoge by "Ryan D. Eschauzier" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:46:39 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/17/96 - 04:46:01" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: The mail item that you sent at 04:46:33 GMT on 17 Feb 1996 has been delivered. However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 96 05:23:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernesto Schnack To: email_address_removed Subject: Perfect Strangers quote Message-ID: > The Deep Purple lyric is not "A thousand lawyers I have found," it's "A >thousand oceans I have flown." Great song. > > I am well aware of that... I also know that it's 'Death is the first dance eternal' not 'Death is the first dancing turtle', or that it's 'Thought disorder' not 'Fuck this Whore'... catch my drift? :) Anyways my memory failed me... I actually heard it as 'A thousand lawyers I have *known*' but I knew that wasn't it because I checked out the original Deep Purple CD from the library and it had the lyrics... PROCRASTINATION: It's a way of life! This message brought to you by the PTP foundation(Proud to Procrastinate). A non- profit organization dedicated to waiting for tomorrow to support procrastination. Ernie email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:26:30 -0500 From: extrudex@mediom.qc.ca (Jeff Smith) To: email_address_removed Subject: Derek/Live at the Marquee/James Labrie Message-ID: <199602170526.AAA08473@serveur> Salut =E0 vous tous! I am one of the very faithful fans of Dream Theater in Qu=E9bec. And, you must all believe me, this Mailing list is really godsent! Now I am not limited only to my friends when discussing about DT...=20 However, I=92m warning you, I am NOT a native english speaker (my real name is, in fact, Jean-Fran=E7ois Smith), so do not expect here a grammaticaly-perfect message.. So, first of all, I would like to say something about Derek Sherinian. When I first heard ACofS, I was still under the shock of the departure of Kevin Moore. So I did not like Derek. I disliked his piano sound, I disliked everything I was hearing of him. I was frustrated. Quite expectable, as a behaviour from a shaken fan, isn=92it? However two weeks ago a friend of= mine bought a two CDs bootleg from the Awake tour entitled Rockin=92 Japan 95. It is in fact the first CD of the Wake Up! Bootleg. My friend and I were both excited, because we had only heard live material from the I&W tour, at that time. So, we listened to it. Well, I (and he) was impressed! The first thing about Derek that astonished me was the great range of sounds he could make on the keys, with all those whizz and fuzz and beep and bizz, und so weiter. All of these during a very cool solo. Bur Kevin did not do that. I mean, Kevin remained mostly all the way long with his piano and his typical vibrato and guitarlike phrasing sound. Sure, he was great with that. But I think Derek will add a new dimension in DT. He is different.=20 Techically I cannot, and will not, say anything about Kevin or Derek. They are both great keyboarders, each in their own fashion. Musically I hope Derek will be as tremendously good as Kevin, however. The fact that Derek played for Kiss or Alice Cooper does not matter. But Space-dye Vest is a tune that will require a gigantic talent to equal, I believe.=20 By the way, I would like someone to answer a question. Being a native french speaker (and having learned English mostly by reading), my ear cannot always clearly distinguish some anglophone sounds here and there... So: on the live EP LatTheM, during TheKHand, just after singing =91=92... that= caused this mourning. Crossing over...=92=92 James yells us a beautiful Labrieish= cry. And I am sure he DOES say something, he is not just yelling out loud. So what the hell does he say??!?! I would like to know... Lastly (???), I am aware that, here on the YTSEJAM, some people have discussed about Labrie=92s difficulties on live settings. I generally agree with what have been said (but not with Mr. Serious=92 opinions). And= frankly, I do not really care about that. I could never sing as Labrie does. But, if I did not missed too much messages, something has not been pointed out. On bootlegs, James Labrie seems to experience difficulties. But on commercial live material (LATM, the videocassette in Japan, ACofS) he is damn good! What about that? =09 * Ugn! * Hope the length is not too bothering... = =20 (and the spelling= correct...!) Jeff Smith - =91=92 We can hope for the future...=92=92 - A change of seasons ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:30:33 -0500 (EST) From: jbako01 To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Gandalf speaks Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, MR JOHN CAHILLJR wrote: > What's up fellow jammers? My first post on the new jam and there is > so much to say. First things first. It's late Thursday night in New > York and I just finished watching E.R. During commercials I turned on > the Ranger game ( relax I'm really an Islander fan ) and what do I > hear over the Garden's P.A. but " The Mirror ". I could not believe > my ears. The TV audience could not hear it well but I'm sure the > crowd heard it just fine. Who knows maybe it will inspire some new > fans. I think that all sporting events should play DT at sometime or > another. I just thought some of you might find that kind of cool, I I was at that game (Rangers vs. Montreal) and 'The Mirror' caught me totally off guard. btw, I've been to 12 Rangers games at Madison Square Garden this year (and going to one AT Montreal next month). Whoever is in charge of music at MSG has certainly pulled his head out of his ass, and has been choosing real quality music lately. Among the stuff I heard being played during breaks (either between periods or between line changes): DT - Mirror Yes - Roundabout King Crimson - 20th Century Schizoid Man ELP - Tarkus!!!!! (the organ player was doing this, although it might've been sequenced) I'm not kidding! It sure does beat the hell out of that 'jock rock' crap that one's used to hearing at sporting events. Sorry if it's a bit off topic, but I just thought I'd like to share that with all of you. Later, James Bako "This silence, deafening email_address_removed Kept inside, RAGES!" Polytechnic University -Anacrusis Brooklyn, New York "My Soul's Affliction" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:46:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Randall W. Aquino" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mainstream Message-ID: I have some quick comments about the recent thoughts of getting DT on Letterman or Conan, but DT has built up a huge fan base without all the media attention. I say DT sticks to their roots and if the masses take to their music than cool, but I don't think they should deliberately attempt to become more mainstream. Plenty of bands have been successful without being mainstream. "Music's for you and me, not the fucking industry. You try to tell us what is cool, but you see we come from different school. It only matters what you say, not the fucking games you play." Can anyone guess where these lyrics come from? Hey, I know this has nothing to do with DT but it's killing me. The group Suicidal Tendencies broke up last year and I was wondering if anyone knows what the members are doing now. One of the harcore metal/punk fans will hopefully know. Thanks I appreciate it. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Randall W. Aquino" To: email_address_removed Subject: King's X, Death metal Message-ID: >Oh, and could anybody describe for me what King's X sounds like? I've >only heard one of their songs ("Black Flag", b/c I've seen the video), >and I didn't like it that much (this was a long time ago, too). King's X is a really good band in my opinion. I am not good at describing music but here goes-they write complex music, have killer riffs, good vocals and outstanding bg vocals. Like DT they use imagery though not as much, but still to great effect. I haven't heard Black Flag but I do know it is from one of the early CD's, I personally like their latest CD Dogman the best. It's more modern and I think they used bg vocals too much one the early stuff. >So, I like Gothic but that's just me, I assume death metal doesn't >have too many fans on the list.. I listen to it a lot, and >lately I've gotten interested in the Norwegian black metal scene too. >Not for the message, but for the music. It's quite extreme, but >it has beautiful Northern qualities :) I've heard about the Norwegian metal scene and a certain figure named Euronomous. He was or still is the leader of the movement and has been charged with things like burning churches and other like events. Overall the whole scene is pretty nasty. I was wondering if you have any knowledge or information about these events? If so I'd like to become more informed about them. Also there is a Christian band named Horde that attacks the Norwegian scene in their lyrics. I tried to keep it short because of the no DT content! Randy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 96 00:35:56 EST From: Scott Daugherty To: Ytsejam Master J Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1265 (fwd) Message-ID: >format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ Anybody ever heard of these guys? Are they progressive? With such cool names they must be pretty awesome! (it's a joke) :) >Women: do you see anyone DT as sexy? >Men: have you ever encountered DT-lust in women? With all this talk about the possible sex-symbolism of DT I've just gotta say that James Labrie looks alot like David Hasselhoff (c'mon, I know you all watched Kinght Rider). Maybe David throws on a wig once in a while and warms up the old vocal chords. >My car was broken into last weekend. I lost about $2000 worth of >stereo equipment. And >you know what the worst part was? My Acoustic Dreams >(#200something) was in my CD changer at the time. Sorry to hear about your loss. :( It won't help any but I have a good friend who got his WDADU, IAW, Awake, Jaco Pastorious, and Friday Night in SF stolen at the same time. I had my car stolen on Christmas morning. Man I hate thieves! >david, the thousandth lawyer kobayashi What do you call a thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? >show. He said I should have my tapes in about two weeks. The sooner I get >your tapes the sooner I'll be able to get them back to you. This was posted C'mon!!! My guys have all got their dubs in their grubby little hands already! >Anyone here fans of Al DiMeola, Michael Hedges, Return to Forever, or Into >Another? Write or post and let me know. I saw DiMeola, Jean Luc Ponty and Stanley Clarke as "Rite of Strings" last summer, pretty cool. DiMeola was a little too much of a show off though. One last thing, then I'll shut up. A friend of mine pointed out to me that the clean tone chords that JP plays in Scarred (somewhere in the middle) include the melody to The Wheel of Fortune. If it were in C minor the pitches would be D-C-D-C-D-Eb-D-etc. The rhythm's just about the same as well. Ahh, an unmoderated jam. Home of useless information. Scott Daugherty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:20:06 -0500 (EST) From: jbako01 To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Mainstream Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Randall W. Aquino wrote: > "Music's for you and me, not the fucking industry. You try to tell us > what is cool, but you see we come from different school. It only matters > what you say, not the fucking games you play." > > Can anyone guess where these lyrics come from? > Biohazard > Hey, I know this has nothing to do with DT but it's killing me. The group > Suicidal Tendencies broke up last year and I was wondering if anyone > knows what the members are doing now. One of the harcore metal/punk > fans will hopefully know. Thanks I appreciate it. Mike Muir just released his solo album under the name Cyko Miko (title: Lost My Brain (Once Again)). Muir and Rob Trujillo are still planning to do another Infectious Grooves album, even though Epic records dropped them along with ST. Mike Clark is working on a solo project. No word on a record deal. Jimmy DeGrasso is working on Dave Mustaine's (Megadeth) solo project. Hope that helps, James Bako "This silence, deafening email_address_removed Kept inside, RAGES!" Polytechnic University -Anacrusis Brooklyn, New York "My Soul's Affliction" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:48:55 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: calling all traders Message-ID: Anyone out there interested in trading dubs/boots? I've asked similar questions in the past on the old jam and have had positive responses. So I figured I'd try it again on the brand new jam. Is there anyone with any type of Steve Vai dubs/boots? I'm trying to stretch my collection, all I have now are mainly Dream Theater boots (not complaining!) If you want a copy of my list all you need to do is ask via e-mail. Here's a few of the things that I'm looking for: Stevie Ray Vaughn, Pantera, Mr. Big, Racer X, Anything Vai touches, and of course DREAM THEATER! I'm also interested in videos from these artists as well. One last question before I split; Does anyone have access to the videos from AWAKE? Rumor has it that they're 3-4 videos from that album? later, Brandon P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:12:16 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: jam 1265 Message-ID: >> My only suggestion is for Brian to send the j-cards along instead of us pulling them off the net. Its a pain in the ass when I am as computer iliterate as I am. we could just pass them along and photo copy them. << AMEN ! I don't know the first thing about pulling things off 'the net' or just about anything computer related. I'm lucky I can answer email. When I subscribed to the ytsejam successfully, I felt like Albert Fuckin' Einstein. To our Italian friend who felt he was a victim of racism. I read over the post that you felt was racist several times. Although the person may have acted like a three-year-old when responding to your post, I did not see anythiing that was racist. There were no racially slanderous words or the mention of any Italian cliches. There's a difference between racist and asshole.That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. All you San Francisco Area Galactic Cowboys' fans, don't forget about the GC show at The Edge (Palo Alto) on Wed. April 10. Tix are on sale at the box office for $8 or at BASS(tard) tickets. Please support these guys if you can. Scott Cook "The Venus De Milo, a statue of note She lays in the gutter, with a knife in her throat Naked as sin, not even a coat She gave you a thrill, you gave her a grope It's a Fair Exchange." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:16:04 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: The world of the YtseJam..... Message-ID: Well...I wanted to write tonight, because of one thing.. (well two) 1) Im polluted as a pellican right now and realized that I've never written to the Jam drunk before....so hey guys...enjoy the wonderful life of Rolling Rock Buckets at Aiden OHoras...its a beautiful thing!!!! 2) I got a free copy of JP's Rock Discipline (My recognition of spelling goes out the window at conditions of drunkeness, so bear with the spelling errors in the words to come) from one of my pals in "Music and Sound Retailer" {one of the magazines my company publishes} .... I have really become a fan of JP's of late....but this takes the cake!!!! The man kicks everyones ass on the planet..... (JP...if you're reading....you are now my number 1 God!) He Kicks Eddie VH's ass up till next tuesday!!! and Neal Schon eats JP's excrement for breakfast!!!! {Wedge...and Gandalf...I know you're both shocked!!!} Anyway.....Im going to sleep...so I can wake up tomorrow and start learning to copy JP as well as Itzick can!!!!!!! Also....a quick hello goes out to Itz, Dave( The WIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDDDDDD KOBA!!!!!), Gandalf, Wedie pooh....and all the other cool YtseJamers that will tolerate my extreme drunkeness!!!!!) Your Smashed Servant! M O J O M A N ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:37:49 -0500 (EST) From: kristopher long To: email_address_removed Subject: conch Message-ID: that "sucks to your ass-mar" quote was very funny. i love that line. piggy rules. hey, tonight i met a guy who went to high school with JP and the boys. there was another guy at the party who did too and he knows JP too but i didn't get a chance to talk to him. two more people i've met up here that know the existence of DT. i'll talk to you party animals later. ---Kris Long "A fart on Thomas Putnam!" - John Proctor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:45:16 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: hi everyone! I'm wasted again! Message-ID: I can't believe this, my second post to the new ax.com server and I'm wasted again! I've had four shots of Three Wise Men, and that was about three too many... I can't even stand. In fact I've had to backspace about 94 times so far writing this message. For those who don't know, Three Wise Men is a 4.5oz drink: 1 shot Jose Cuervo 1 shot Jim Beam 1 shot Jack Daniels It can get you really rocked and you don't even realize it until you try to stand and walk in a straight line! :) I saw the post about Brian Anderson's Acoustic Dreams CD being ripped off while inside his stereo. I'd help him re-gain it myself, except that I'm actually really out of discs. I am making an offer in the throes of alcohol that you can all press me to when I'm sober again, even though I'll regret it. Anyone who can give Brian a new Acoustic Dreams disc will get FREE Antiquities or Scenes From a Memory. Those of you who have extras might get a good deal out of this if you have it in your heart to help out a fellow Ytsejammer. Thanks to everyone who stood on vigil after the tragic loss of Tori Amos, the friendly kitten who loved every Ytsejammer that decided to visit my humble home. Since I'm good and sloshed and not repressing emotion, I can say that.... "I Love You Maaaan!" News from the DT camp... nothing solid yet, just plans that are hoping to be made reality... this winter: Rush, with special guest Dream Theater!! Hey, it's nothing solid yet, nothing confirmable, so don't kill yourself if it dosen't happen. But! They both have albums coming out at the same time and our favourite progressive band would very much like it to happen. Let's hope for the best eh!!! Managements will be the deciding factors in this now. Kangaroo purple monkey dishwasher. Fish bicycle pouch. Indeed! I ought to have an Antiquities listing up now, but I'm far too wasted to figure out how to post it at the moment. sorry there... I've also been drinking Vibrating Pussies tonight, these are: 1 shot Bacardi 151 (aka Liquid Jet Fuel) 1 shot butterscotch schnapps 3 shots Bailey's 4 shots cream 1/2 shot smirnoff Ironic that the CD Man's main contributions to the new Ytsejam have been in the form of mixable alcoholic drink recipes. for anyone who's interested in a When Dream And Today Unite, Antiquities, or Scenes From a Memory CD, please contact me at the below e-mail addresses! K-plagh! :) MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, email_address_removed/email_address_removed Fuck the Communications Censorship Act of 1996! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 12:09:34 -0500 From: Dave To: email_address_removed Subject: TO the Italian Guy Message-ID: So maybe those statements about Maiden were your personal opinion, but maybe Smeets is a Maiden fan? Maybe his statements about you were HIS personal opinion! You can't ask him to be removed from the Jam anymore then he could ask that you be removed. Imagine if you came in here and blasted DT like you did Maiden??!! I would be the first of MANY to call you an idiot!! The comments you made about Maiden went too far, and that's why you got a ration of shit from a Maiden fan. You could've expressed your "displeasure" with the new CD without condemning the very same people you once worshipped. Putting down Steve Harris was a childish move on your part. Even though I never intended to write to you (the guy in italy), I was equally disgutsed with your post about Maiden...I thik I am almost glad that Smeets wrote what he did. What will you do when someday in the far off future when something happens with DT and they replace a member, and try to make a new album? Tell Mike Portnoy to go home and quit song writing? Smeets was justified in my eyes, to write HIS OPINION of you, just as you thought it was justified to bash every member of Maiden here in a DREAM THEATER newsletter. Modify the old saying: If you don't have anything nice to say, at least keep it short. buster ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 10:59:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: True (as opposed to fuckin') idiocy Message-ID: To the Italian 'Jammer who got jumped on by a True Idiot: one of the reasons why I think he was a -true- idiot is, I don't think he realized you were from Italia. --Which makes him a bit more of a dope and doesn't excuse his post anyway. No, I doubt it was 'racism' (or more properly, 'countryism') that caused his spewage....just plain stupidity and ignorance. Paul 'Pellaz-har-aralis, Tigron of Immanion' on IRC Join us: irc.dreamt.org port 2112 (Generally evenings US time) "If no answer," just wait for a bit. :) -- Paul W. Cashman | Listening to the city Whispering its violence email_address_removed | I set out watching from above Dream Theater -----> The 90s bring new questions New solutions to be found "Learning To Live" | I fell in love to be let down ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 14:28:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan D. Eschauzier" To: email_address_removed Subject: King's X and Savatoge Message-ID: I recently bought my first King's X album, Out of The Silent Planet, and I like it enough, some of it. To tell you the truth, I've been kind of disappointed with the bands that have been reccommended to me on the jam. I bought No Exit by Fates Warning, and it's okay. I haven't bought Parallels yet, which a lot of you have reccommended. I bought Savatoge's Dead Winter Dead, and here's my review: Overture: good, but kind of annoying when they keep breaking in the middle of it, Sarajevo and This is The Time are AWESOME!; I Am is unlistenable; Starlight, although very heavy, is good when I'm in the mood for it. Doesn't Matter Anyway is almost as bad as I Am, This Isn't What We Meant is great; Mozart and Madness is good, so is Memory, and Dead Winter Dead. The Last three songs, One Child, Christmas Eve, and Not What You See are really good, especially the last two. I am glad I bought this CD, but to me, the band I've been most impressed with that has been recommended here is Shadow Gallery. Anyway... let me know if I should try a different King's X album. 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * ****************************************************************************** "A Bridge is not a high place "Stealthily Attacking The fifty second floor By-Tor slays his foe Icarus would know The men are free to run now A mountain isn't far to fall In the labyrinth below" When you've fallen from the moon." -Steve Hogarth -Neil Peart ****************************************************************************** email_address_removed Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085 Connecticut College ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1266 **************************