YTSEJAM Digest 1227 Today's Topics: 1) When 6&7-Strings Unite by BIORDI Bruno 2) UK Jammers unite! by Yakster 3) Magna Carta tribute albums by Brian Nielsen 4) Respect... Mike Portnoy by Kris Claerhout 5) Re: Classical Guitarists by Michael Kevin Martin 6) Misc. by "Scott D. Duren" 7) Re: Portnoy on Rush tribute album by "Jonathan Byrne" 8) Dave Mustaine by email_address_removed (Jon Kretschmer) 9) Re: UK Jammers by Mr Who? 10) DT fanzine; a plea for submissions by email_address_removed 11) juicy things i gotta drool over by email_address_removed 12) DT by email_address_removed (brian tomko) 13) DEATH by Matthew Stewart Rosin 14) Jackal? by "Dr. Teeth" 15) Re: At Fate's Fingers by Jeremy Lakatos 16) need subconcious and AD dubs! by email_address_removed (acook) 17) #ytsejam IRC by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:01:50 +0100 (MET) From: BIORDI Bruno To: email_address_removed Subject: When 6&7-Strings Unite Message-ID: Hi all DT fans... I'm a new guy here... And wanna say some words about the my favorite band. ple8se excuse my poor english :-o I play guitar since 4 years and Petrucci is my 'REVELATION' (After Nuno Bettencourt ;-) )! The amazing riffs, deep and cold !!! Mhhh, I like that !!! About playing 'The Mirror', 'Lie' or 'Caught In A Web' on a normal 6 Strings : It's not a problem !!! Just Tune Yr 6-Strings Guitar like his 7-Strings (B,E,A,D,G,B,E) but forget the high E... These songs have gr8t rythmics part that ya can play without the High E ! Okey, just sum problems for the solos, but in these songs, the rythmics are the most exciting parts, don't ya think ??? I have 2 guitars: My principal weapon is a Washburn N4 Paddok, tuning in a normal way and sounding Ultra Gr8t :-# I'm also using a LAG Rockline with the 'Seven Strings tuning' for 'Mirror','Lie' and 'CIAW' ! Note that Special tuning needs special Strings, the best alternative for me is the Dean Markley Medium (052 042 030 020w 013 011). With these strings, the Floyd isn't to 'Light' and the bends aren't too 'elastic' ! So don't try lighther strings ;-X ! About 6:00, The intro played by Kevin on CD is playable on guitar but requires 2 hands tapping ! In fact, the left hand plays chords (E5 D5 G5 F5, ...) and the right hand plays the same chords but one octave up ! The easiest and fastest way to play that intro on yr guitar is : Just play first the chord without the chord 'one octave up'. Note that when ya play this chords, play it in 4 differents ways for sounding like the original record. Here we go with the beginning of the intro : E5======= D5======= G5======= F5======= | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * G---------9-9-------7-7------12-12------10-10-- ... D-------9---9-----7---7----12---12----10---10-- ... A-----7-----7---5-----5--10-----10---8-----8--- ... D D D U D D D U D D D U D D D U (Down,Up) Just Sound CooL and Easy to play , heh ? Now U can check the next parts of that gr8t & Amazing Song... The easiest songs (On Guitar) of AWAKE for me are : Scarred, 6:00, The Mirror, the rythmics part of Erotomania (Solo, Mhhhhh, heheh, Hard !). The best way tho play all DT songs is : Buying original songbooks (I&W, AWAKE : Edited by J Petrucci on Warner B. Publications Inc). Internet Tabs can help ya but don't give ya the exact Ways to Sounds like JP ! But It's helpfull anyway ... Bye and long live to DT !!! Le8ve me mail to : email_address_removed.be ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:39:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Yakster Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UK Jammers unite! Message-ID: Yet another one here, up in Cov! Been into them since 1990 just after WDADU and as yet I haven`t seen them in concert...more's the pity! But I have heard a lot of bootlegs of them, so I guess that does make it up a bit! Well catch y'all later! So until the next time... THE YAKSTER>>>>> [sig trimmed] | | You've just been mailed `\Y/' "The more seriously I took |-| |-| by THE YAKSTER>>>>> things, the harder the | | | | Write to him at: rules became..." |-| |-| ldd@coventry.ac.uk Megadeth - A Tout Le Monde | | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:17:01 +0100 From: Brian Nielsen To: email_address_removed Subject: Magna Carta tribute albums Message-ID: >>>>> "Zack" == Zack Gemmill writes: Zack> I've heard some negative comments on Magna Carta's other Zack> tribute albums. Anyone else care to throw some opinions out Zack> about them? Well, I got "The Moon Revisited" (Pink Floyd tribute) and "Tales from Yesterday" (Yes tribute). I was somewhat dissapointed with the Moon, none of the bands add much to the classic tunes, and the performance of the bands lacks something. Only the band Enchant and some of the last songs sound convincing. Tales from Yesterday however is a very good tribute in my opinion. Note that before I got this CD I was only familiar with two Yes albums ("The Yes Album" and "90125", which are both excellent in their own way). What I think makes it a good tribute is that the band sound much more convincing here. It is probably due to the fact that the musical style of Yes is closer to the sound of the featured bands. Also there seem to be much more freedom in the interpretations. An example is "Starship Trooper" which originally is 8 minutes but Jeronimo Roads version is merely 5 minutes. Despite this reduction they manage to capture the main themes and even adds some wild keyboard solos not in the original (played by Adam Wakeman, supposedly Rics Wakemans son (forgive my ignorance here)). A song that I really like is Cairos version of "South side of the Sky". If the original is just half as good I will really enjoy it. One thing is for sure, I have not bought my last Yes album. I have not found the Genesis tribute yet but I think that it will be closer to "Tales ..." than "Moon" in quality. BTW the only Genesis album I have is "Selling England by the Pound" which I think is great. -- Brian Nielsen Department of Mathematics and Computer Science Aalborg University, Denmark email: email_address_removed.dk www: http://www.iesd.auc.dk/~norman/ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jan 96 09:15:43 EST From: Kris Claerhout To: Subject: Respect... Mike Portnoy Message-ID: RE: Death of Mike Portnoys grandmother My respects, Mike, I know you read the Jam now and then. I hope our support makes it easier... Kris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 12:34:10 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Kevin Martin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Classical Guitarists Message-ID: Yup, I've played classical guitar for about 15 years now.... I'm not sure if it's been on the past few YTSEJAMs, since I've been out of commission for a while, but has anyone got a recommendation for/against the Queensryche CD-ROM? M. Martin ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jan 96 14:05:38 EST From: "Scott D. Duren" To: YTSEJAM Subject: Misc. Message-ID: #1 - Portnoy: if by some slim chance you happen to read this, I'm terribly sorry to here about your grandmother. I know you're not a fan of sympathy as stated in C.O.S., but I just thought I'd express something to you here so you know some of your fans care. It is true - no silent skies . . . so live another day!!! #2 - Can anyone give me an explanation behind To Live Forever - the source of inspiration and the exact meaning of lyrical content? #3 - Is anyone selling any copies of Acoustic Dreams or Subconcious on CD anymore (beyond tape dubs)? #4 - I just have to get this off my chest: It's disappointing to see that Kevin Moore is getting so trendy with his switch to the subgenre of cynical, bitter, egocentric, cold, empty, negative, depressing, wishy-washy, irreverent, disrespectful, purpose-less, fear/anger/confusion/doubt/hate/spite/rebellion/lust-filled absurdity music! The kid had potential - a respectable talent both musically and lyrically! I used to admire some of his work with Dream Theater. Oh well. THAT'S ALL FOLKS!!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:26:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Byrne" To: "YtseJam" Subject: Re: Portnoy on Rush tribute album Message-ID: On 01/13/96 at 04:49:42 email_address_removed said: >I've heard some negative comments on Magna Carta's other tribute albums. >Anyone else care to throw some opinions out about them? I have the Yes tribute (listening to it right now), and I get some enjoyment out of it. I think some peple don't realise why MC did these: to promote their bands. People complain that some tunes are almost note-for-note covers, but I think that is a little misguided. Like I said, I only have the Yes one, so maybe it is an exception. It worked on me, though. After hearing Shadow Gallery's "Release, Release" I ordered their last album. Hope that helps. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "They say your bulletproof, Jonathan Byrne They say you feel no pain West Virginia University It seems the hero is misunderstood again." email_address_removed -Steve Hogarth and John Helmer, "Gazpacho", Marillion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:57:22 +0800 From: email_address_removed (Jon Kretschmer) To: email_address_removed Subject: Dave Mustaine Message-ID: Sorry for the lack of DT content, but I was just curious...If all of you are talking to him, whats his Internet address? Pass it on folks! Later all. Oh, and Kbibb, I like the moderation. Small Jams are great, and there is a noticeable improvement of quality. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:11:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Mr Who? To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: UK Jammers Message-ID: Theres me as well Jim the funky beer monster ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:44:40 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT fanzine; a plea for submissions Message-ID: I'm baaaack! muhahahaha My computer is functional again, and since Ken so kindly dropped the digests to under 25K for us lowly AOLers, I'm subscribing from here again. And yes, it's that time again: I NEED SUBMISSIONS FOR THE FANZINE!!! I'm already way behind schedule, and I have very little, so I'm absolutely desperate for submissions. I'm particularly interested in reviews of all three of the DT shows in New England, and whatever else anyone has to contribute - reviews of cool, lesser known prog metal bands - there was a lot of talk about Shadow Gallery and Ivanhoe in the past, I'd welcome stuff on them as well. Please? Pretty please? Pretty please with whipped cream around it and a... um... well, never mind. For the benefit of those of you who are new and have no idea what the hell I'm talking about, I publish a bimonthly Dream Theater fanzine (that also covers other bands in the prog/power metal vein, preferably underground) called Metropolis Watch; in fact, the issue after this coming will mark my second anniversary. I have support from the band, and they all get copies of each issue, so if you'd like them to read your words, here's your chance. ;) The zine is $1.25 US/$2.00 foreign for a single issue, or $3.75/$6.00 for a 6 month, 3-issue subscription. Since Mike Bahr hasn't been stalked and brutally murdered after posting his home address on a regular basis I will take a chance and post my address as well; email me if you have questions. Jaime Kimpton Virginia Wesleyan College Box C-274 Norfolk, VA 23502 Jaime the DRAGON "I will believe in you, if you still want me to..." - Savatage, "One Child" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:18:38 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: juicy things i gotta drool over Message-ID: thanks to the person who found the ryche cd rom page. i saw it once, but lost the address......yay- now i can go hunt for it and see it (since at this rate, it'll take about the same time it took between "empire" and "promised land") to dan tshin: re: midi stuff you midied uagm?? where? how? tell me the answers to that and more, please!!!!! you want a good notation program- go with either encore, or finale. encore is a lot easier (imo), and i did wfs on it. but if you have the time to learn finale, i received an excellent copy of elp's karn evil 9, very impressively done. encore also contains a guitar tab thingy, so you might like that, too. to thomas prehn re: fw well, i tried, i have to adnit it, but fates wasn't for me (must be like rush isn't bafu [i think]). and i did hear some keys throughout (so i thought), and i have been told a few times that an old friend named kevin moore plays keys on stuff on parallels and ps (and another buddy named james labrie who does backing vocals, i believe). i know there's no key player, and that is precisely why i was curious as to who was playing them. the ryche fw connection- well, "point of view" imo has that degarmo/tate harmoniztion sound going (which isn't necessarily bad- i wish i could harmonize like mr. degarmo), and another example is "apparition" (which i HATED); had that "rage for order" geoff tate singing. if i wanna hear rfo, i'd rather put THAT on, personally. oh well, just a lowly opinion. re: 7 strings v. down-tuning, with a new twist! someone posted that jp uses the 7 on 6:00.........oh really?????? anyhow, 7's are awesome (i want one, for 5 years now- got dicked over while trying to buy one last week, but i don't want to get into it now). i expect to hear it a lot on their new album. now for a twist- this is for all you tori amos fans, so listen good, yes. on utp, the tune "the waitress", anyone hear the low guitar in the chorus ("i believe in peace, bitch....")? is it downtuned, or is it a 7? it fits the role and plays the register of a 7, but is it or are we being fooled? maybe it's a distorted bass with A LOT OF TREBLE, but i doubt that. answers?? well, that's it. who loves ya? one and only one, david the amorous kobayashi ps- kaoru?? wherefore art thou, sweet pseudo-sister of mine? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 13:24:20 -0800 From: email_address_removed (brian tomko) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Message-ID: <199601132124.NAA11143@main> I know this is late, but here it is anyway. James LaBrie has the most fantastic range of any vocalist I've heard. John Myung is becoming a Bass god. Check out his line at 12:30 into ACoS. In case some of My earlier messages didn't get through, my condolences to Mike Portnoy and his family. By the way, he's a Neil Peart in the making. Anyone know where to get a copy of Ytse Jam? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:18:52 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew Stewart Rosin To: email_address_removed Subject: DEATH Message-ID: here's another devoted DEATH fan to add to the growing list! "symbolic" is a masterpiece!! Atheist, you say? fuck yeah!! [sig trimmed] * Matt Rosin PO Box 15315 * IMAGESCAPE ambient-progressive rock * * College Station, TX * Matt Rosin: vocals/keys/synths * * 77841-7315 * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape * * email_address_removed * email: email_address_removed * ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:47:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Dr. Teeth" To: email_address_removed Subject: Jackal? Message-ID: >Stefan Schweitzer wrote: > >Imagine "The Mirror" with a normal >6-String, it wouldn't sound half as... "fat" (? How should I express that >in English...?). I couldn't have said it better myself! >email_address_removed.nl (Gerralt Partiman) wrote: > >Fortunately, Cairo and Shadow >Gallery are fairly known to the progrock fans, but bands like White >Heart, Oracle. Jackal and so on are not often spoken of simply because ^^^^^^ Is this the same band where the lead singer, Jesse DuPree, plays the chain-saw during the "Lumberjack song"? I saw these guys open for Aerosmith and although it's eye-catching, it's hard to take those guys seriously. Hopefully you're referring to a different band entirely. (Actually you might be, seeing as the band I am talking about is spelled Jackyl, I think...) Don't flame me, as this entire post is just in fun, though all true! Rock on, y'all! I do quality dubs of Subconscious, and I'm looking for someone to dub their AD for me. Any takers? "I ain't jacked my lumber baby, since my chain-saw you!!!" /\_____\ /\ \ /\ /\___\ /\_____\ - Dave (Dr. Teeth) Peterson - ...still trying to find a sig that Ken won't delete... [easy--make it 4 lines or less :) --kbibb] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:53:16 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Lakatos To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: At Fate's Fingers Message-ID: > > who plays keyboards? that wasn't too bad. > > Boy!!! You must be really disappointed! > You only like the instrument which isn't there!!! > (O.K. "Monument" has some keyboards in it, but there's no key-player in > the band). Actually, I think he's talking about "At Fate's Fingers," the instrumental verison of "At Fate's Hands" (which is a GREAT tune). And it's a little funny--Kevin Moore "wasn't too bad." (Though admittedly, Kevin plays a pretty small part--he's only a guest, after all.) <*> email_address_removed (Beck Depression Inventory: 35) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:01:17 -0500 From: email_address_removed (acook) To: email_address_removed Subject: need subconcious and AD dubs! Message-ID: Hey all, I'm in desperate need of a dub of Subconcious and AD. So...if anybody could either send me the dub site list or offer me a dub, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks a lot! email_address_removed Adam Cook http://www.tiac.net/users/acook (hard hat construction area) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:56:40 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: #ytsejam IRC Message-ID: Hi again, I'm writing this regarding my previous letter about AOL users petitioning for the IRC. Well I found out from another jam member, GHS Rocker, that you can get the IRC through some other software called GNN (Global Network Navigator), which I understand AOL bought instead of creating the software themselves. That has web browser, e-mail, newsgroups and IRC. Their number is 1-800-815-6112. So it looks like that may be one way to go in order to get on the #ytsejam IRC. It still would be nice if they'd have made it simpler and just included access in the program itself, but oh well. Just wanted to note this. Thanks. :) Seize the day, Irene ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1227 **************************