YTSEJAM Digest 1215 Today's Topics: 1) One Regret by Steve Borzilleri 2) Reversing DT? OK, here's how by Ivan-Assen Ivanov 3) Malibu Setlist by email_address_removed (The really bored guy) 4) Question about Mike's drums by Jeff Hochberg 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1213 by Lev Pelekh 6) New album info... by "Dr. Teeth" 7) stuff by Pat Daugherty 8) Buck, Snares, Derek by Steve Borzilleri 9) WDADU Re-issue by Jeff Stewart 10) Lyrics misinterpretation by email_address_removed 11) A Ytse Misprint? by email_address_removed 12) Skyway Of Nightmares by email_address_removed 13) Space Dye Vest/Innocence Faded by email_address_removed 14) more Birch Hill comments by SaVeur 15) cool things about the BH show by Shamus McConney 16) *** IRC STUFF -- READ THIS!! *** by "Ryan P. Skadberg" 17) YtseCon ][, Malibu, Birch Hill, etc. by "Ryan P. Skadberg" 18) Moderation, and some other topics by "Richard Karsmakers" 19) Lyrics questions by "Richard Karsmakers" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 00:44:29 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri To: Dream Thespians Subject: One Regret Message-ID: But the one thing I forgot to say, the one thing I wished I had said right to the face of any of the members of DT backstage at Birch Hill: "Hi. I'm from Seattle." Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:33:58 +0200 (MET) From: Ivan-Assen Ivanov To: email_address_removed Subject: Reversing DT? OK, here's how Message-ID: Somebody mentioned "reversing" DT and asked about a big PC to do it. Well, it would be the best way to reverse a track, but it surely needs tons of free disk space. Besides, I don't have a CD to do it. So here is another, "hardware" solution I discovered a few years ago (I haven't got the time to try it on DT, though). The quality of the reversed track will be less than mediocre, but at least you can get an idea of how it sounds. So: take an 90-min audiocasette. transfer on it the record you wish to reverse. if you can do level control, record it with the maximum level you can. rewind the tape to the beginning. open the casette (you will need a really tiny screwdriver to do this, but it's not that hard) carefully turn both rolls in their nests, so that past the head of the tape recorder goes the BACK side of the tape. if the tape starts unfolding, you're nearly lost the tape - it is VERY hard to get it back right. close the casette and rewind it a few times back and forth. now find the recording and enjoy it! Since the magnetic layer will not be close enough to the reading head of the player, the sound will be muted. 60-min tapes are thicker, and thus the results are worse. OK, this should maybe convince you it's not THAT hard to find a few GBs of disk space? I wish you luck (hehehe) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:21:32 -0500 From: email_address_removed (The really bored guy) To: email_address_removed Subject: Malibu Setlist Message-ID: > All yeah, one last thing I remember about the concert. They > actually didn't play the songs that got any radio play from Awake. > They didn't play Caught in a Web or Lie. You must have been all sorts of fucked up, because they did play LIE. Right after The Mirror. :) Chambers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:38:11 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Hochberg To: Dream Theater mailing list Subject: Question about Mike's drums Message-ID: Hey everybody. I noticed something at Birch Hill which struck me as a little odd, and I wanted to find out if anyone can shed some light on it for me. Did anyone else think it was kinda weird that Mike's kick drums had "home made" Tama logos taped on them??? I was pretty far back in the club, so my eyes might be playing tricks on me, but it seemed to me to be his regular Mapex road kit. Did anyone ask Mike about this? I'm under the assumption that he's supposed to play Mapex drums exclusively because of his endorsement deal, so the only conclusion I'm left to draw is that Mapex dicked him over, or his contract ran out or something. Either way, he seems to be making a point of NOT advertising Mapex. Any ideas? Or am I missing something entirely? Jeff email_address_removed P.S. - As previously reported, the show was brilliant beyond words. I'm SO glad I chose Birch Hill as my one holiday show to attend! :) Damn... I've seen these fuckers 6 times, and somehow they keep topping themselves with each consecutive performance. I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it... P.P.S. - James *really* impressed me. He was dead on the whole night, and I especially admired his new-found restraint in the shrieking department. He actually *sang* the words! No, really, in "Pull Me Under" he actually sang "and then my only father's son" instead of "AN DEN MY ONLAY FADDA SUN!!!" And check it out: in between lines, he rarely, if ever, let loose a bloodcurdling scream just for the hell of it! I think he read some old 'Jams and has finally founditsa caudup wihim. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:12:09 -0500 (EST) From: Lev Pelekh To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1213 Message-ID: Hi everyone, just a short question for the jammers who attended the NJ show last Saturday: What was that Metalica-like thrash riff that DT played between the Kansas and Pink Floyd jams? Thanx a million. Please reply directly to me. Thanx. Good one, isn't it? email_address_removed http://pages.nyu.edu/~lqp7160 Home of Dream Theater and Aria pages. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 10:28:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Dr. Teeth" To: email_address_removed Subject: New album info... Message-ID: To those of you looking for Alex Lifeson's new album, don't look under "L", because apparently, he calls himself "Victor" on this album. Or maybe that's the name of his "band" that he's put together for this. As before, the album's name is "Victor", of course. The release date is 1/09. Does anyone know what's up with Aerosmith's new album? I've been reading on the net that they've been playing some local clubs on one of the coasts under the false name of "Remco and the seat covers". They've been playing a combination of really old songs off Pandora's Box, and brand new stuff (which has been described as a throwback to their older stuff...). One thing though, they aren't playing ANYTHING off Get a Grip. (Shit, they've been doing that stuff for what? 2 Years now? It's good, but I can see where they want some variety...) My point is, that their new album was at first sleighted for Christmas '95, but obviously that didn't happen. So is there any news at all? One other source said it'd be out around the 10th, but now that seems unfounded. Can anyone help me out on this? It's kind of cool that they're being mysterious about everything. I think they must miss the small club scene and "Remco..." is the only way they can get into those places. Imagine seeing them walking out on stage!!! And playing those older classics and brand new stuff! ROCK!!! Sorry for the blatant lack of DT content, but we've been getting a whole hell of a lot of that lately, so I figured you guys (and gals) wouldn't mind. ;) Peace, mama! [sig trimmed] .-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=. | ______ "Hmmmmmmm..." ____ ______ - David Peterson - | | /\_____\ /\ \ /\ /\___\ /\_____\ email_address_removed | | / /___ / / \/ / / / /\ /_/__ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:17:38 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Subject: stuff Message-ID: I noticed on the new releases list that WDADU is being rereleased in February I guess this ends the far fetched rumor that they would rerecord it with James singing, (We do have WDATU though). Plus the band members have stated that they dont care to play WDADU songs anymore. Since I am sure someone taped some if not all of the December shows, i think we need another Mike Bahr production, like perhaps a 2 disc work of a whole show, or a 2 disc work that has the best version of every song that was played. Something like that. Thanks to all who talked to Al Balkewicz about the videos he has owed me for almost 11 months. Hopefully he will get the hint... **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** **** GO REDSKINS! GO CAPITALS! GO BULLETS! GO BROWNS? **** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:55:26 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri To: Dream Thespians Subject: Buck, Snares, Derek Message-ID: > From: An Angel's Kiss... > Subject: Birch Hill comments...... > > 7.) HELLO to everyone that I had met at the show and beforehand : > Trey, Fred, M. Bahr, Bafu, Paul, Buck (Mr. Serious) :P, Skadz, ^^^^^^^^^^^ No kidding. :) > From: Corporate Community Relations > Subject: Dream Theater -- Home for the Holidays **spoilers** > > For those on the Jam who keep track of set lists and what not, comprised > below are the exact sets which were played over the four nights : > > BIRCH HILL -- SHOW #3 > --------------------- > The Mirror (Intro Only!) > Take The Time > Lie > Lifting Shadows off a Dream Correction. Anyone copying this down, insert "Caught In A Web" after "Take The Time." Immediately after "TTT" ended, James said, "Blah, blah, blah, blah...WEBBAGE." That was the point at which fifty or so of us fans with the ability to predict the future groaned in unison, as we realized we were about to be crushed a little more in the sardine can that was Birch Hill. I remember thinking, "No, please, can't you do Wait For Sleep or something?" :) > From: email_address_removed (Ktulu) > Subject: Argh! > > better with, for instance with the "live" drum sounds used on Awake, but > IMOA, LtL really needs the-to quote someone (forgot who!)- "wrath of Zeus > snare trigger". Why not have different production from song to song? "Wrath of Zeus," heh heh, dat was me. Elliott Kim had another good one. I think it was for ACOS - "Didn't you hear? Portnoy is now endorsed by Maxwell House!" Anyway, I don't know if Trey has posted this yet or not, but he asked Derek when his birthday was, and then told me not to let him forget it. "My birthday," Derek said, "is 8, 25, 66. In the rhythm section, out of me, John and John, and Mike, I'm the oldest." I found it odd that Derek referred to the four members playing external instruments as "the rhythm section." Does that make James "the lead section?" Maybe he could do a beatbox at one of their shows to jam with Mike? :) Bafu Vai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:14:23 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Stewart To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: WDADU Re-issue Message-ID: Hey. I got my weekly new-release list off the net yesterday and I noticed that WDADU is listed as being re-issued on Feb. 27. Anyone know anything about this? I'm hoping it's going to be remastered to improve the sound quality a little bit. It sounds like the person who thought DT was re-recording the album got his/her signals crossed. Later! _____________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Stewart | We can hope for the future email_address_removed | But there may not be one. email_address_removed | --Dream Theater WWW URL: http://condor.stcloud.msus.edu/~stewaj01 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:44:45 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Lyrics misinterpretation Message-ID: >Sorry to do this but I was wondering if it was just me. In ACOS >where James sings: [deleted] >does any one hear: [deleted] That's OK-When I hear Pink Floyd's Dogs of War from AMLOR, instad of "With no cause we don't discriminate", I hear "With no coffee on the scrambled eggs", on Another Day, instead of "the distance in my voice" I hear "The skiskets in my voice", and on voices instead of "Thought disorder" I hear "Fuck this whore". Just a thought. later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:44:42 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: A Ytse Misprint? Message-ID: Never saw that before. To those who haven't seen it yet, In the inlay from WDADU, it says under AFIL, "Music by Dream Theatre". Also, did anyone notice that on the CD itself, all the songs Charlie wrote say "lyrics by Dominics"? Speaking of misprints, the tickets that the Malibu sold at the box office said "Dream Theatre" while the Ticketmaster tickets said "Dream Theater" I wonder why? later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:44:35 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Skyway Of Nightmares Message-ID: email_address_removed.dk wrote: > have this very strange release with DT called "Skyway Of >Nightmares". [deleted] > >First of all I would like to know if anybody knows this cd? I thought >DT never played "Another Day" live, it's this just an exeption? I have a copy of this bootleg, but as far as Another Day goes, I have about 5 other bootleg shows with it on them. Where'd you get the idea they never played it live from? later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:44:42 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Space Dye Vest/Innocence Faded Message-ID: Does anyone know if SDV or IF have ever been performed live? I doubt it because SDV is Kev's song, and from what I hear, DT don't care for IF (I dunno why-great song). If anyone has a bootleg of this, I'd love a dub. later--------------Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:35:47 -0500 (EST) From: SaVeur To: email_address_removed Subject: more Birch Hill comments Message-ID: 2 someone wrote: >would have happened had a fire broken out? As it was, people were >being crushed against the stage barricade and at Birch Hill, I barricade? the "stage" was only 2-3 feet above the floor! Ben asked: >How is that possible? Was James not running around like a maniac that >night? there was no ROOM to run around. my old band played on stages larger than the Birch Hill "stage". 'course, we didn't have half the equipment... :) >I don't know how he does that. I can't even walk and chew gum >at the same time. so how do you play drums?!? on another note: who taped the show? i'd like a copy or 2, plz. and maybe i'm biased or something but looking at the dif set lists, isn't the Birch Hill show the best? ;) -john -john YJLHB SubCon#397 AD#241 email_address_removed http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: Shamus McConney To: ytsejam Subject: cool things about the BH show Message-ID: HI all, Just got back into town and thought I would say hello. I guess by fate I picked the best show to go to(or at least that was the oppion of a jammer that went to all 4 shows). It was a great experence. We showed up at 5:10 or so with to here the sound check. One of the local club worker thought that it was cool that we came all the way from Florida and showed up 3+ hours early to see a show so he let us into check out the stage. While we were in the club Derick was warmimg up on a new prototype Korg(?SP), man he has more talent than I ever expected- from what I heard and say his preformance on ACOS and live have been limited, I can't what to here to new album. We also saw Mike and JohnM, but one of the DT crew guys made us leave before they started to warm up. O well. When we finaly got in after 3+ hours of whating in the cold. We got the front bow spot infront of JohnP. The opening act Kicked Ass, laked diversity a little but still kicked ass (I will defentaly be looking for a releace from them) The show ruled. I totaly loved the number of little insturmental passages that they used to introduce LSOAD and the like. The new cover set also kicked ass. Got to meet the band after the show. All of them were very cool. I do not know why every one says bad things about JohnM. I talked to him for a few minites and he was realy cool, he acualy said hello to me first. It seemed to me that he is gust not comfortable around alot of people( I talked to him before everyone started to croud around the band members. I finaly met jay peele and got a Inferno tape. I encurage all of you to email him and get copys of their tapes. Their sound is a cross of Rush/DT/Cynic in my oppion. Check out their first album "Psychic Distance" for heavyer stuff and their second album/ep "Architect" for more Rush like stuff. I saw on the video monitors that there was a single camera shooting the entire BH show opening act through the very last DT song. Dose anyone know if the show was taped and if so can copys be attained. Great show and JohnP said that they will tour Florida the next time they go on the road:) Talk to you all later. | shamus (one dead .sig)V ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 00:16:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: *** IRC STUFF -- READ THIS!! *** Message-ID: Hey all!!!!!! I have set up an IRC Server just for Dream Theater and ProgMusic known as YtseNet. To get on and chat with all the other YtseJammers, do the following: Get on to IRC how you normally would. Once on change your server to: irc.dreamt.org 2112 This can be done in most cases by typing: /server irc.dreamt.org 2112 at your IRC Prompt. Once you have done this, join the channel #ytsejam. This can be done by: /join #ytsejam with most IRC Clients. If you have ANY questions about how to access IRC or the server itself, MAIL ME. I will find a way to help you. I want more people to come and visit. It get's boring talk to Bafu every night ;) (JK Steve) Later Skadz [sig trimmed] +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg email_address_removed | | System Administrator / Web Developer Blue Sky, Inc. | | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/ http://www.dreamt.org/ | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 00:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: YtseCon ][, Malibu, Birch Hill, etc. Message-ID: Hello YtseWorld.... Well, I've finally gotten a chance and sit and write to this list about all the fun last week, so here goes. The Con: It rocked! Many thanks to Trey and crew for organizing it. It was real fun meeting all these people that I mail back and forth and talk to on IRC. Everyone was real cool and it was aa pleasure meeting you all. The YtseJammers: They rock. End of story. As DMan mentioned, we we're saying it was like we all were long time friends by the time we got to Birch Hill. Malibu: Packed. Morgenstern and Rudess were a very cool opening act, even if I did miss half their show cause I felt like I was gonna pass out and had to go and sit and half a Coke before DT. DT was amazing as always. James seemed very pissed at the crowd and I was too. YOU DO NOT CROWD SURF TO DT. The worst part was the idiots at Malibu were throwing the surfers right back in to the crowd and they were getting right back on top of the crowd. Scarred was great live. Perfect Strangers wasn't the best song to end on, but it was DT, so it was good enough for me. Birch Hill: WOW! Met more jammers which was cool. Saw the whole Rudess and Morgenstern show this time. Can't wait for an album from them!!! Dt just kicked ass. BH was smart the crowd surfers got their asses thrown right out the fucking door. Thank God. That stopped after the first song. James was REALLY in to it at BH. Now we have "Mercy Fuck", "Sympathy" AND "FUCKIN SHIT!" That was very cool. Learning to Live to finish was PERFECT. They just rocked. After the show, Derek came out to the bar and a bunch of us were talking to him. The next thing I know, we are all at the Aftershow party with backstage passes. (Bafu is a god) The band was awesome. I am the infamous wedding picture person from a certain Professional Criminal's post :) I could go on and on, but won't. The Day After: Got home from BH at 6AM. Had to get up at 8 to catch a plane back to Boston. That sucked. Made the plane by about 1 1/2. Thanks Brian!!! Overall: This will be something that will stick in my head for a LONG LONG time. It was great meeting everyone. Hopefully we can all meet again sometime in the near future. That's enough babbling from me. Later Skadz PS - COME VISIT IRC!!!!!!!!!!!!! PPS - Buck -- You forgot Caught in a Web in your Birch Hill setlist that you posted. Remember: "How about some webbage?" [sig trimmed] +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg email_address_removed | | System Administrator / Web Developer Blue Sky, Inc. | | "'Seize the Day', I heard him say, Life will not always be this way" | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:57:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard Karsmakers" To: email_address_removed Subject: Moderation, and some other topics Message-ID: I would like to say something on the subject of moderation. I think it's a good thing, Ken, but the thing is that I have discovered you moderated a few messages too many. I have been trying to contact two Jammers via the digest, only to find my messages, er, moderated. The Jam is the only way for me to contact them, as I don't have their email addresses. I can understand why you took them out, after all, they were only vaguely DT-related. And I also had some lyrics questions that you took out - what's wrong with that? They never seemed to clutter the Jam much before. Sure, you can get rid of Favourites Polls and Religious Banter, but other than that, I think you should moderate just a tad less. And I am so envious of all the USA guys who got to hear "Scarred" and all...and your backstage experiences made me experience Deja Vu... DT are great as persons *and* musicians. I am glad they always take their time to talk to the fans, especially Mike. Bummer they couldn't make it to the Ytsecon, but I guess that management and bureaucracy for you...I am sure the band would have preferred it. Trey, I hope you got out without a financial deficit. To the people who say "A Change of Seasons" was on various bootlegs: Yes, it's the *old* version. The *new* version is not on any CDs yet. So Marcel Berkhout was quite right and I have also told him I'd be interested in the boot CD he'll make of the Bospop festival (70 minutes, complete gig). Now for a few other miscellaneous questions: To the guy that I dubbed Subcon from, who lives at I.B. Bakkerlaan: Please contact me! I lost your home address to bring by the tapes you wanted! To the really nice German dude who got me Satriani/DP's FiaPD: I would really like you to order "Lost in the Sky" for me. Can this be done? I will me more patient this time :-) To the guy of "Skyway of Nightmares" and DT never playing "Another Day"? Well...they played that song on just about every single concert of the I&W tour, and probably a few Awake ones too (Thomas Prehn). I guess I am not the only one interested in a tape of the Birch Hill show....can anyone help me? Of course, all expenses will be paid. Could Mike Bahr maybe do a 2CD bootleg of the Birch Hill show? To Bafu: Man, you should be a music magazine journalist. Or at least have your stuff printed in a paper DT newsletter. I don't think I enjoyed anything as much before in the Jam. Tip of the hat for letting us Jammers share the atmosphere! (and the other guys and girls too!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:57:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard Karsmakers" To: email_address_removed Subject: Lyrics questions Message-ID: Hi there! I have a question. I need some help identifying some bits of song lyrics. If you recognise some of 'em, can you email me personally? They are supposed to be really difficult to identify, so it's quite a challenge! "Letters feast the smell of cooked flesh; last scent of sweet death" "I love you, I love you my little porno slut" Hint: The two above come, alphabetically, before "Gathering". "Rise through the gate, Iak Sakkath from depths beyond the sky" "Sadness, despair sometimes the things I cherish" "Love crushing, skulls smashing in the vice of Hell" Hint: The three above are between "Gathering" and "Orphanage". "Schizophrenia, paranoia, insane death rests in pain" Hint: This one comes between "Paradise Lost" and "Sodom". Might this be Sepultura? "Oooooh, ooooh, you've always been a good friend of mine till you said farewell" Hint: This one comes after "Uriah Heep". Cheers! email_address_removed.nl ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1215 **************************