YTSEJAM Digest 1209 Today's Topics: 1) **spoiler** Just got back from Malibu by Fretburner 2) malibu show, spoiler by email_address_removed 3) Re: AVOID *KRYS FUELL* LIKE THE PLAGUE!!!! by Chris Wright 4) Not a spoiler--Please Read by Itchak Schwarzbard 5) Malibu!!!!! **spoiler** by The Digital Man 6) Re: Superior... by email_address_removed (Siegfried Hanisch) 7) Next thing to DT by email_address_removed.sg (HisMajesty) 8) Recommend me art rock album! by email_address_removed.co.kr 9) A Funny Thought. by "John R. Kotzian" 10) **spoiler** Holy Mother Of Mojo!!! by email_address_removed 11) **spoiler** At least we tried... by email_address_removed (Heath) 12) I forgot by email_address_removed (Heath) 13) ps........ by email_address_removed 14) **spoiler** Who's going to El N Gee, Dec 30? by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 15) Metropolis parts by William Kriski 16) San Diego Prog Metal Band Needs Musicians! by toscano richard 17) Help on ACOS by email_address_removed.dk 18) Re: Superior... by Martin Freiss ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 02:11:01 -0500 (EST) From: Fretburner To: email_address_removed Subject: **spoiler** Just got back from Malibu Message-ID: Jammers! It's 2AM and I just saw Dream Theater for the first time! I could sit here and tell you how great they were, but all of you who were there already know that and it would make the people who wern't able to go feel bad, so I won't. I just want to say one thing- They did SCARRED! This was definitly a great show and I'm sorry I didn't get to hook up with any of the other ytsejammers, exept for the two guys from Pittsburg I met. Sorry I already forgot your names! It was pretty crazy, but If anyone cares I am 6 feet tall with long black hair and was standing just right of centerstage and about three to five rows of people back. What a great way to end the year! Good Night! -Dan (email_address_removed) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 03:14:26 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: malibu show, spoiler Message-ID: well, instead of waiting for 2 hours to get in, just one tonight. yipee!!!! sorry i missed the ytsecon. i also missed the chance to meet mike bahr or heather- i guess it wasn't meant to be. alas. but i met trey, digital man, and some other jammers. and i met bafu vai. oh what fun that was. to all the jammers i have met in the past few days, it was cool (albeit short). hope you guys got backstage or got something really cool. it was excellent to see jp wearing a ytsejam shirt tonight. anyways, to those keeping score, hear's what happened. the set: mirror/lie, ttt, blues jam-lsoad, scarred, acos, ad, medley (rover, something i still don't know what it is, damage inc., in the flesh, heart of the sunrise [again! yes!]), voices, electric silent man, pull me under. encore- wfs, perfect strangers. all in all a great show again. lasted about 2 hours, 10 minutes. is this officially the first time they've played "scarred" in the us? someone please fill me in on that. i would have to say that the ct show was better than tonight's, but not by much at all. it would have blown it away if they had played their entire set, but since they did, they would get the edge on that tonight. but both nights were amazing!!!! glad i was there for history. hope to hear the same for the remaining 2 shows. this time, i brought my earplugs. i can still hear. yipee. see ya. david, the blessed by bafu and magical kobayashi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 08:31:34 GMT From: Chris Wright To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: AVOID *KRYS FUELL* LIKE THE PLAGUE!!!! I've been asked to forward the following to the mailing list: On Thu, 28 Dec 1995 10:22:46 -0500 (EST), Michael Feuell wrote: Hi, Krys Feuell lost her internet access a couple of months ago. She's looking in to getting new access but it can be very expensive and well with all of the projects she's been trying to keep afloat money is a bit of a scarcity. As a personal friend of hers for many years, I felt I had to respond to this message, as it paints a completely inaccurate picture of Krys who has perhaps given more of herself and her time to Prog Music and the Prog Community then any other individual I've ever met. >On Wed, 27 Dec 1995 13:27:32 +0800, email_address_removed (Bill Frech) >wrote: > >>Hello all! I hate to air dirty laundry, but I feel that when someone >>makes an agreement to do a tape trade and after countless reminders >>fails to live up to their end of the bargain, it should be made known. Agreed. However I do not think you should resort to lies and slander. >>Having traded progressive music for years, I cannot recall a single >>other person who I have had this much trouble with. I don't want to >>go into the boring details here, but in a nutshell, Krys Fuell of >>Massachusets entered into a trade agreement swapping some Marillion >>audio for her video some 4 months ago, and has yet to send me the tape >>she owes me. There have been apologies for the delay, promises that >>the tape was sent, promises that the tape was resent. From what I can recall at the time she complained that she'd sent you the tape and that you wanted another one, sending tapes is not cheap, you ask someone to send you a tape twice and then still complain about it and see if you'd react as kindly and patiently as she has with you. >>Recently, as my patience has diminished, my correspondence with Krys has >>resulted in her just completely ignoring me. Gimme a f*ckin' break, with all that's been going on in her life recently it's absolutely amzing that shes's been able to get anything done, nevermind keep sending off the same video to someone. >>It's a shame that in a genuinely nice "community" of fans/traders of >>music, a pathetic little compulsive liar like Krys needs to exist. This is just trash. You've just shown us what kind of a creep and a jerk you are. You have no idea if Krys lied (she didn't), and certainly no basis what-so-ever to call her compulsive. As for pathetic, it's obvious to me here as to which of the two of you is pathetic. >>I'm off the soapbox. Trade with Krys Fuell at your own risk. Don't >>say I didn't warn you. You couldn't even take the time to spell her name right. Sheesh. People can contact Krys at the following address; (Though she's in England until the end of January working on a new Prog project, she'll get it when she returns) Krys Feuell c/o APeX Productions 6 Couture Road Southhampton, MA 01073 If you send email to my address or her old address, I'll try and read it to her over the phone if I get the chance. Keep in mind though, I'm very busy myself and it is a long distance call for me to phone her. -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 03:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: Itchak Schwarzbard To: email_address_removed Subject: Not a spoiler--Please Read Message-ID: I just got back from the Malibu show. F***ing ruled!!!! I somehow managed to get aftershow party passes (thanks Ralph) and I got to speak to the band. Basically, this is what I got from the members: James: He's pissed at some people on the jam. He says that he reads it when he gets the chance and that he reads people "James-bashing". Let's all try to be a little nicer to James in the future, so as not to hurt his ego, I mean, feelings. :) John M.: DT has so far written one song for the next album. He told me the working title, but I forgot it (big smack upside the head). I'll try to remember it and post it when I do (it was a one-word title). I asked about the style, and he said it is more instrumental-based, and is remeniscent of Learning to Live. He also mentioned that he finished recording his instructional video (with the rest of the band costarring). Bad news to most of us is that it will only be released in Japan (with translation) and was meant for mainly the Asian markets (hey, isn't that biased?).Oh, well. John P.: This will come as a pleasant surprise to fellow ACOS transcribers (Brandon). John was very, very, very, very cool about taking a look at a sample that I brought him. The one I showed him was from DOW (12:18-13:01) and he actually corrected me on the part from 12:42-12:45. He originally had trouble reading just TAB (said he needed the music up top). Now, I don't know whether he reads the music notation onlyand phrases himself (which would explain his thorough understanding of his fretboard) or whether he needs it for the rhythms mainly (like the rest of us lowly humans). But he was able to adjust and give me some pointers. He gave me an address where I could send the finished product, so everyone should rest asured that it will be pretty accurate. I didn't really get to chat with MP or DS much. I did, however, meet Trey Allen, Mike Bahr, and a bunch of other jammers (what's up). Anyway, I won't post details about the show until after they are over, so as not to ruin anyone's experience (except the fact that they had cool ACOS shirts on sale). Anyway, I'm beat (4:00 a.m.). Can't wait 'til tomorrow's show. Later. -Its P.S. Chris Merlo--could you E-mail me privately about the cover band thing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 05:45:45 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: Ytse Jam Subject: Malibu!!!!! **spoiler** Message-ID: Wow! Man, this has been an absolutely great day! I hardly know where to begin, so I guess I'll go in time order. Ytsecon II It sucked that the band couldn't make it, but boy, did we have a good time. I finally got to put faces and voices to a bunch of e-mail addresses. Bafu and Mike Bahr are even cooler than I anticipated. Trey is a logistical genius, and a swell guy to boot. Skadz and Brian Wherry are great guys, and are driving my sorry ass to NJ tomorrow (um, later today :) for the Birch Hill show. The Chews rock. Bigman is, well, big. Golly, who else? Um, Pellaz, Andy Keegan (the boarding-house guy of the decade), Wisha, and a whole bunch of others that I can't remember because I'm really tired. :) But it was a lot of fun and well worth it. Food It's going to be said anyway, I'm sure. The Roy Rogers that we were supposed to eat at has, within the past month, shut down! Doh! D-Man had to think of a Plan B quick! Fortunately, some of the guys scouted the area out earlier in the day and found a McD's for us. :) The Show Huh? What? Sorry, I'm very deaf. But it was well worth it. As promised, I had my face close to JM's. Actually, I was in Derek's face. You got it - front row, my elbows on the railing. At one point, MP yelled to everyone to make some noise. I yelled back at him, and he yelled right at me! Coolness! JP seemed to smile at me a couple of times. I guess my face told him that he sounded good. James slapped my hand. JM was, well... he played great. :) And I think I actually caught a half-smile! The Songs They played Scarred!!! For the first time ever, and I was there! How cool is that? Everything sounded great. I'm sure someone else will post a set list. I forget who was next to me (Remind me!), but I know the two of us yelled "Please Don't Go!" Myung blew my fucking mind, and I'm going to start practicing a lot! I was kinda upset that there was no drum solo, but hey, what can you do? Lifting Shadows has a great new intro thingie. All in all, only one thing to say: DT rocks. See you all at the Birch Hill, and possibly in CT as well!! -Chris [sig trimmed] <#@$%&*%#$&(#@!$^(&^%@!%^&*():$%#!=@!#%+^%&~$!$%^*)^#$!#$%&*(+^%!\^%&*;$%^> My parents went to Aruba and all I got was this lousy .sig file. email_address_removed http://www.uvm.edu/~cmerlo <#@$%&*%#$&(#@!$^(&^%@!%^&*():$%#!=@!#%+^%&~$!$%^*)^#$!#$%&*(+^%!\^%&*;$%^> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 95 10:47:10 CET From: email_address_removed (Siegfried Hanisch) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Superior... Message-ID: > DT fans should *definitely* check out Superior's CD, "Behind". >I'm certain that many other DT fans would also >really enjoy this disc. > I highly recommend Superior, and it has the extra advantage of having >Ytsejam's Bernd Basmer in the band! :-). Has anyone else out there heard >this CD? I'll be curious to hear what you think. >P.S. The production is fantastic, very professional. I can only second this. Get the CD!!!!! Happy New Year, Siggi [no sig today] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 20:41:17 +0800 From: email_address_removed.sg (HisMajesty) To: email_address_removed Subject: Next thing to DT Message-ID: Hello people, I'm back on the list after being off for a couple of months, so I don't know what's up on the discussions lately. There's this new and upcoming German band called Superior which has released their debut, Behind. Their sounds are pretty cool. Sort of like a cross between Helloween and DT. There is a remarkable resemblence in the drumming technique used by their drummer and Mike Portnoy. Here's a snip of mail between me and the guitarist Bernd Basmer ****************************************************************************** Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 09:21:16 +0100 X-Sender: email_address_removed.de To: email_address_removed.sg (HisMajesty) From: Bernd Basmer Subject: Re: Superior : >Like who are your band's major influences in music style? Oh well, there are so many influences. Ok, naturally DT is one, others are Queensryche, Metallica, and even some film-music is included in our music. Our keyboarder is merely influenced by some jazzier kind of music and so, many things come together in the band. Here's a snip of mail between me and the guitarist Bernd Basmer >You know, the drummer really sounds like Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater. Wow! He'll be proud if I tell it to him! :-) >And your's is the 1st German band I've heard to have so much keyboards in >your music. Cool man. Well, there are some others though, but the most "big" ones are without keyboard, that's true. I think the keyboards allow a bigger range of music you can include in the songwriting. ****************************************************************************** Anybody heard of them? If not and you're interested in checking them out, echo yourselves and I'll put up the URL of their page in the list. There're 3 wav sample files for listens. I believe a Net search will obtain the address too. [sig trimmed] -- YtsejamSih email_address_removed.sg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 22:29:24 +0900 (KST) From: email_address_removed.co.kr To: email_address_removed Subject: Recommend me art rock album! Message-ID: i'm very interested in art rock & progressive rock, so i want you to recommend me masterpieces of art rock & progressive rock. i have only Dream Theater,Shadow Galley now. any recommendation will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. bye~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:18:56 -0500 (EST) From: "John R. Kotzian" To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam ) Subject: A Funny Thought. Message-ID: I just had this humorous thought run through my head and thought that at least one of you might enjoy it: For a John Petrucci collaboration project, I would like to see... John Petrucci : Guitars John Patitucci : Bass Michael Petrucciani : Guitars Joe Satriani : Guitars Yanni : Keyboards It could be called : PatitucciPetrucciPetruccianiSatrianiYanni Ok, I'm Done. -John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:48:40 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: **spoiler** Holy Mother Of Mojo!!! Message-ID: You know, I could go on saying a million and one things on how incredible the show was.....and I guess I will.....the problem is/was that there seemed to be a lotta bad karma last night.... OK here it is: (Malibu Show, Dec 28th) Good Stuff: 1) The band was so tight, that Im concerned that they may have trouble with their bowel movements...... 2) The Medley- stuff like Heart Of The Sunrise and In The Flesh 3) ACOS and Scared Kick unbelievable butt!!!!! The Band was at its tightest during these two songs.... 4) The Fact that there wasnt an Solos.....I want to hear music, not someone Musically Jerking Off...(even though Portnoy could rub one out better than anyone in the world!) 5) Labrie was dead on!!!!! As my friend said, "He IS 2 Huge lungs, thats it!" 6) Myung actually moved out to the crowd!!!!! (can you believe that one!!!????) 7) Petrucci shaved his gotee...he looks alot better, but it looks hes bringing a beard back...Portnoy shaved his beard into a really cool Zappa stash!!! Bad Stuff: 1) Like at the Conn. show the night before, everyone was forced to wait outside for at least 1 hr. I was fortunate enough to find Digital Man and some others at the front of the line... But I can only imagine the disgust of the people at the rear.... 2) The amount of people they actually let in....Did anyone in Malibu give a single fuck about fire codes....(Not that its any different at any concert!) You see...I was up in front by where Derek was....and as soon as the band started...I felt shifting like you wouldnt believe... before you knew it, Dickheads of all sizes and shapes started pits and began to chimb up top and do some crowd riding...Now, there is a point where thats fun...I can understand....but when it gets out of hand...thats a different story.... 3) The Jerkoffs moshing and crowd surfing!- I hated this aspect twice!!!!! This is FUCKING DREAM THEATER!!!! Not Pantera!!! I still cant understand why these baldheaded, flannel wearing, Nirvana-slurping, alternative praying deuchebags have to come to this show and procede to make it look like a bush concert. I wanted to watch Dream Theater, I was just more fortunate than others to be right up front, WHY did I have o be subject to that!!!! If it were an Anthrax or Pantera Show I would understand......This I dont...I couldnt help thinking that during the Medly when DT was doing Damage Inc., when these little fucks were slamming, that they should get a nice bullet in the skull and then I had to laugh it off when Heart Of The Sunrise came, that they stood there dumbfounded.....Im glad they dont have the musical understanding to listen to Yes, thats one of the many things I have that these fuckfaces dont! 4) The still consistent bitching by people about Derek, I bumped into so many people complaining about Derek BEFORE and after he got on stage....Come on give it a rest......Kevin Moore left the group...hes gone...HE LEFT...so Fuck him! The band is got to go on for the better of the band...so find someone who will do the job....and I dont think any rice crispy critic has earned the right to say whether Derek is the right man! But I think Dream Theater has earned that right.....so they decided and Im here to support the choice! So In a nut shell....The Band was great, the Music and Set list kicked Butt........It was the assholes that ran the club and some of the fans(I use that term very loosely!) Till... Mojoman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:59:13 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Heath) To: email_address_removed Subject: **spoiler** At least we tried... Message-ID: I'm going to keep this message brief because I'm dead tired from the Dream Theater concert last night. I first of all have to thank Trey Allen again. The Ytsecon that he organized was successful. Eventhough the band didn't show, we got to see everyone from the jam. The showing for the Ytsecon seemed very successful. I know I had a good time at the Ytsecon. Then, after the Ytsecon we surpose to of gone of a Roy Rogers, but when ytsejammers checked to see how to get there they saw the darn place closed down. So, I think they went to McDonalds. At that time, I went with Thrak to another Roy's. Anyway, when we got to Malibu, we only had to stand outside on a line in the freezing cold weather for 90 minutes. Not bad considering it was around 25 degrees out and the wind chill at -1000. That part had to be the worst. Finally, the show started around 9:30 when I guess I'll call it a duet preformed. I can't remember their names. But that didn't matter because those 2 guys rocked. The 2 member group consisted of a keyboardest and a drummer. I was shocked when I heard these guys. Both of them had execeptional talent and produce an awesome sound. They were by far the best opening band that I've ever seen. Then, Dream Theater finally came on around 11PM. I can't recall that much from the show because I was getting killed. It was a fucking madhouse at Malibu. The only things that really stuck in my head from this show was that Dream Theater of course was amazing. But what else would we think. They actually played Scarred. IT was real cool that they played that. They also may of played a few pieces of instrumentals that's going to be on their next album. But don't hold me accountable, if they don't have it on the next one. My favorite song at the concert would have to be the Electric version of the Silent Man. Man, if that song is released on the next album, they would be foolish not to release it as a single. Besides that, I don't remember much because like I said I was getting killed. AT one point or should I say at many points, I thought I was going to drop dead. There was times when I actually couldn't breathe. I had to hold on to peole around me for dear life. If I didn't hold on to them, I would of surely fainted from exhaustion. It's not too easy to breathe when there are 10 smelly, sweaty, crazy guys all in the same square foot. But all in all, I had a great time. Especially, when I got kicked in the head and when a body surfer just happened to fall right on me. I did somehow survive that concert with only a servere case of dehydration and 2 bruises on my face. All yeah, one last thing I remember about the concert. They actually didn't play the songs that got any radio play from Awake. They didn't play Caught in a Web or Lie. After the concert, we all tried (as of the ytsejammers) to meet the band backstage. Unfortunately, we couldn't get in. But I think Mike Bahr was in there. It really sucked how all the damn security staff throw us out of there, even though another guy in security told us that we'll be able to meet the band. But what can we do. We did try our best to meet the band. We didn't do it, but I'm sure everyone that went to the show at Malibu had a great time. I once again want to thank Trey Allen for organizing the Ytse-Con. And we gotta thank the people that housed out of towners. The only person that I know of that housed others besides me was Andrew Keegan, but I'm sure there were others. If I thought, I was tired before I wrote this, imagine how I feel now. The post only went about a page longer than I thought it would go. Anyway, I hope everyone had a good time at this show and did or will have good times at future DT shows. I want to wish everyone a Happy New Year! I'll speak to you guys on IRC. Heath Augustover (Augie) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 12:04:29 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Heath) To: email_address_removed Subject: I forgot Message-ID: One last thing. I forgot to tell Ben sorry. I'm sorry Ben, but you have 4 more years until you can see DT. Anyway, I'll speak to you guys later Heath Augustover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:01:57 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: ps........ Message-ID: i don't want to be seen as a war criminal for posting about the concerts. i mean, there are some people who just may want to know what went down! i don't know if i dig the "spoiler" title, but hey.....that's just my lowlife opinion, i suppose... if anyone has any ties whatsoever to heather (ldyicefire, who is off this jam sadly), someone have her call me (718) BYRCH-02 (297-2402) digital man- this goes for you, too.....i just realized i don't have your email address (ken, if there's anyway you can forward this tidbit to him, i would not only love you, but i would give you my lucky silver surfer hat [if curious, ask, and i'll tell you about it sometime]). [forwarded as requested--kbibb] david, the defensive kobayashi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 14:23:45 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: **spoiler** Who's going to El N Gee, Dec 30? Message-ID: Well, It's Friday and I'm psyched about DT tomorrow night. I can't believe they did Heart of the Sunrise. I hope they do it again. And Damage Inc.! It's gonna be a great show. I'll be wearing my Ytsejam T-shirt if anyone wants to say, "hi." I'd sure like to meet anyone who goes. It'll be nice to put a face to the names :). See ya' Saturday --Marc Respass ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 12:48:20 -0700 (MST) From: William Kriski To: email_address_removed Subject: Metropolis parts Message-ID: 'jammers, Thanks to a few days off during the X-mas holidays I managed to learn the few crazy parts during the instrumental portion of Metropolis (long scalar portion and other long section that goes on and on). If anyone would like to talk about those sections and how I attacked them, feel free to e-mail me privately. My appreciation has reached a new level! Will ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:44:08 -0800 (PST) From: toscano richard To: email_address_removed Subject: San Diego Prog Metal Band Needs Musicians! Message-ID: Hi- I (a guitarist) and my drummer friend seek a bassist, vocalist, and keyboardist to complete a progressive metal lineup. We have already written quite a bit of material. Admittedly I am biased, but I think it is quite good - our stuff is very much in the Dream Theater vein, but a little bit darker (at times sort of Queensryche-ish, and at other times tending more towards jazz). Our music is very complex harmonically and rhythmically. We have our own digital studio and are currently recording a demo CD. We wish very much to start playing live gigs, but we need a complete lineup to do so. So if you are in or near San Diego (UCSD area, to be exact), and have excellent rhythm, technical competence, and a dedication to the idea of playing complex yet intense and emotional prog metal, then please let me know! Females or males welcome for any position. For the record, we are ages 23 and 25 and are both computer programmers by day. I can be reached at: email_address_removed (619)586-1392 (Evening) (619)534-5081 (Day) Thanks very much. Rich email_address_removed http://www.sdsc.edu/~toscano ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 95 14:43:52 PST From: email_address_removed.dk To: email_address_removed Subject: Help on ACOS Message-ID: Everybody keeps talking about "A change of seasons". I don't know anything about that DT-release, and I very much doubt, that my local record store does. I would be very happy if somebody could "take the time" to send me some info on ACOS, so that I will know more about it when I go seaching for it. (Tracklist, company...and so on) Thanks! Thomas Prehn email_address_removed.dk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 02:25:04 +0100 (MET) From: Martin Freiss To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Superior... Message-ID: wrote: > DT fans should *definitely* check out Superior's CD, "Behind". > [...] > I highly recommend Superior, and it has the extra advantage of having > Ytsejam's Bernd Basmer in the band! :-). Has anyone else out there heard > this CD? I'll be curious to hear what you think. I love it too. Heavy guitar, excellent composition, good vocals (amazing how many bands have "screamers" instead of "singers", Superior's singer is excellent!) - it has stayed in my CD changer since the day I got it. Kudos to Bernd and his band! If you can access the World Wide Web, check out http://www.rmi.de/~marvin/superior.html for more information about Superior and their new CD (and thanks to Evelyn for designing the Web pages). Martin -- Martin Freiss @home, MF194 email_address_removed.de http://www.owl.de/~marvin/ Half male, half e-mail. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1209 **************************