YTSEJAM Digest 1204 Today's Topics: 1) YTSEJAM INTt. hats are here! SIGNED POSTER GIVEAWA by email_address_removed 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1199 by "Dr. Teeth" 3) NEW Progressive Rock: SUPERIOR by email_address_removed (jskewes) 4) Tribute albums by Pat Daugherty 5) silly stuff by email_address_removed 6) N(e)O-CLASS...ACOS by Frank Marotta 7) Rush Tribute/Alex's Solo Album/Rush by "John R. Kotzian" 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1199 by rickbond 9) Bordering on Idiocy by Chris Oates 10) Stuff (what else?) by email_address_removed (Lars Hellsten) 11) ***** SUPERIOR - CD ***** by email_address_removed.de (Bernd Basmer) 12) to all of you!! by Martin Kappen 13) YTSEJAM digest 1201 by "Steven Johnson" 14) Change of Seasons ? by Roland Theysohn 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1201 by email_address_removed (Barb Battaglia) 16) Some questions about Lost in the Sky by "Richard Karsmakers" 17) Ivanhoe question by puppies on acid 18) El N Gee, SECOND SHOW Added !! by Dan Carlisle 19) ACOS lyrics/DT review by William Kriski 20) Tribute bands by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 21) Re: Is this a rumor or what?!?!?!?!?! by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:33:52 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM INTt. hats are here! SIGNED POSTER GIVEAWA Message-ID: HEY YTSEJAMERS! It's time to order your original DREAM THEATER-YTJEJAM INTERNATIONAL embroidered hat!! In addition, all orders will receive a FREE Dream Theater window sticker. (http://www.dreamt.org). ATTENTION: Order by December 18, 1995, and you may WIN one of the following: ** AUTOGRAPHED Dream Theater Poster: In 1989, while promoting the "Images & Words" album, the entire band (including Kevin M.), autographed (29 1/2 x 20 inches) poster(picture of cover of I&W album). The poster is now 6 years old and shows some signs of age, but the signatures are distinct and addressed "to todd". The poster is in good shape. ** Dream Theaters "SUBCONSCIOUS" import CD: Only 500 original copies were made. ** Tori AMOS "Little Earthquakes" CD. ABOUT THE HAT: The hat is Black with a Royal Blue bill and adjustable strap. A multi-colored, embroidered logo is displayed and "YTSEJAM INTERNATIONAL" is printed beneath the DT logo. ALL ORDERS received by December 18, 1995 will be entered into the drawing. The winners will be announced on December 20th, 1995 via E-Mail and the Ytsejam Mailing list. All orders are 100% Money Back Guarenteed if you are not satisfied with your hat. HOW TO ORDER: The cost of the embrodered hat is only $15.00. Postage for USA is $1.00. Canada Postage is $2.00. Anywhere else worldwide postage is $3.00. (US funds/Money order/checks)* Please also include your name, address, e-mail address, number of hats orders to: TRS GROUP 11184 Antioch Rd. Suite 700 Overland Park, KANSAS 66210 USA I will have a picture of the hat listed on the WEB: http://www.dreamt.org The picture of the poster and hat will be on http://www.dreamt.org in the next couple of weeks. PLEASE allow 4-6 weeks for your hat to be delivered. If you have ANY questions...please, feel free to write: email_address_removed thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:02:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Dr. Teeth" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1199 Message-ID: Okay, I'm stumped. What exactly is the neo-classical section of the original ACOS??? I wish I knew that terminology, but I'm unfamiliar with that stuff. Anyway, my point is, could someone go to their Subconscious and let me (us) know exactly where this starts and ends so I can revel in its greatness with all of you? I truly am curious, but it's a long song and it's got a TON of great parts in it!!! Thank you and all that good stuff. By the way, to that guy who talked about listening to Bombay Vindaloo in your bed with the lights turned off... He said it blew his pants off. Ah yes. Lying in bed in a dark room with your pants off. A place I've been to many times, my friend. ;) Rock on! .-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=. | ______ "Hmmmmmmm..." ____ ______ - David Peterson - | | /\_____\ /\ \ /\ /\___\ /\_____\ email_address_removed | | / /___ / / \/ / / / /\ /_/__ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| | / /\__/\ / / / / / / / / /\____\ "The most beautiful thing that | | /_/___/ //_/___ / / /_/___/ / /_/____ this world has to offer is a | | \_____\/ \_____\ \/ \_____\/ \______\ woman's smiling face" - Me | `-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:32:21 -0600 From: email_address_removed (jskewes) To: email_address_removed Subject: NEW Progressive Rock: SUPERIOR Message-ID: Looking for a new progressive-rock band to get into..? Look no further that Germany's SUPERIOR. They have recently released an album entitled 'Behind'. The album features solid songwriting and musicianship along the lines of Savatage's 'Edge of Thorns'. AND ---> The band features Ytsejam's own Bernd Basmer! Currently, I have a sample of the album available on my web page with info on how you can get a copy of the CD imported from Germany. The album is being distributed independantly. I am working with the band to make the CD available in the U.S. and Canada. Here's the address: http://www.why.net/users/jskewes/jsmusic.html If you have any questions, just e-mail me. Do yourself a favor and check them out...! ************************************************************************** Jason Skewes * email_address_removed * Fort Worth, TX ************************************************************************** Check out my home page: http://www.why.net/users/jskewes/index.html ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:32:20 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Subject: Tribute albums Message-ID: Does anyone know what groups play on the following tribute cds: "Supper's Ready" - Tribute to Genesis "Tales From Yesterday" - Tribute to Yes "The Moon Revisited" - Tribute to Pink Floyd Does anyone have them? Any good? **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** **** GO REDSKINS! GO CAPITALS! GO BULLETS! GO BROWNS? **** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:55:45 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: silly stuff Message-ID: yes.......the jam is back. as i browsing to my new jams, i catch a lovely tidbit of surprise from kaoru (hi there!!). nice sig. kaoru- watch out with this sue morandini person. she appears to be a scam. lots of people have been complaining about her/him/whatever. it's nice to see all you kids back, bitchin about religion (as if you didn't skip a beat), and just all fun things. see ya. love david, the magical, cold (no heat in my apt. with a foot of snow), finals-stressed, but zorch stroking kobayashi ps- heather (ldyicefire)- if you get this, can you email me?? been trying to find you and i get no luck!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:04:57 -0500 (EST) From: Frank Marotta To: email_address_removed Subject: N(e)O-CLASS...ACOS Message-ID: I think that DT did a good thing when they took the neo-classical part out of ACOS. True it is cool and everything, but it just SCREAMS Yngwie! Don't get me wrong, I like Yngwie. I just think that the way ACOS sounds now SCREAMS DT! The classical part is so generic sounding. DT's new version of ACOS is a much better reflection of their musical personality, even though the neo-classical part is definitely a facet of their own musical influences. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:47:10 -0500 (EST) From: "John R. Kotzian" To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed (Doug Haanpaa), Subject: Rush Tribute/Alex's Solo Album/Rush Message-ID: This is the article that came out of Foundations magazine concerning the forthcoming Rush Tribute album: > Subject: RUSH TRIBUTE................................. > > ...for those of you eagerly awaiting the next tribute album, your wait is > over:Shrapnel/Magna Carta Records are putting together a tribute to RUSH.Bass > player BILLY SHEEHAN of MR. BIG and drummer MIKE PORTNOY of DREAM THEATER are > going to be the rhythm section on five tracks:"Jacob's Ladder," "La Villa > Strangiato,""The Analog Kid,""The Trees" and a medley of "Working Man" and > "By-Tor And The Snow Dog."And while FATES WARNING guys RAY ALDER and JIM > MATHEOS are slated to play on the record, Shrapnel head Mike Varney is still > assembling people to play on the record and is open to any ideas.So give him > a call.Meanwhile, RUSH guitarist ALEX LIFESON is about to release his first > outside project, VICTOR.Lifeson and other rush members GEDDY LEE and NEIL > PEART are currently working on their next album, which should be coming out > in the spring....... > -John [sig edited] -- John R. Kotzian email_address_removed email_address_removed -Trade-related account ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:30:04 -0800 From: rickbond To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1199 Message-ID: Someone mentioned that on AD..."Another Day", and "Caught in..." weren't played by DT...WHAT DO YOU MEAN!? That certainly sounds like James to moi. The one I'm questioning is Perfect Strangers...that doesn't sound like James. Anybody? Rick Bond Limbo Cage. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:42:05 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: The BafuJam Subject: Bordering on Idiocy Message-ID: No, that's me, not a comment on the list. Okay, so as AD is coming out but before I get mine I hear people talking about LIE and I think "hey, there's an acoustic Lie on the CD? Hm. I wonder how it sounds..." Then I get it and I realize "oh, Long Island Expressway" and quickly forget about it. SO, then I'm driving down the freeway one day with a really cool bass-line going through my hwead and I ask my old self "Hey what's that from? Oh yeah, it's from Long Island Expressway... no wait, it's from Lie. No, wait..." It's from both. Duh. L.I.E _is_ Lie. Did I totally miss the discussion of this somehow? And is the cute name a Dream Theater invention or a Bahr-ism? ~Chris __ /\ __ __\/__\/__ Bafu Saves... \_||_/ /__||__\ // \ | \\ \| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:25:39 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Lars Hellsten) To: email_address_removed Subject: Stuff (what else?) Message-ID: <199512220225.VAA10008@infinity> >I am with you Lars. That neo-classical section in the original ACOS >absolutely fucking blows me away every time i hear it. It just kicks >so much ass its frightening. I also LOVE the way they extend the ending Yeah, I can't believe how awesome that is. People have said it sounds very Yngwie-ish, but I'd take that 5 minutes over anything Yngwie's done any day, it's far better composed. My biggest disappointment is that they seem to be able to write great neo-classical stuff like this, but for some reason don't want to use it, and lean more towards jazzy stuff... oh, I also miss the heavy non-accoustic intro, the part where it's just the guitar before the drums kick in is cool... maybe I just want to have my cake and eat it too though. They should've just thrown everything in there and made it 30 minutes long. I don't think anyone could complain about that. I agree with whoever said that the new ACOS works just as well without it, it does, but I think it would've been just as good with the old part. It flowed well (I don't think you can compare it to the instrumental break in Metropolis, everything just flows naturally from the beginning of the guitar solo all the way through). My theories as to why they replaced it are (a) it sounded maybe a little too WDADU-ish, or (b) it didn't sound as good when recorded in the studio or something. If you look at the stuff in the first instrumental section though, it's far more chops-heavy than that neo-classical section, and doesn't flow as well IMO (but that part still kicks ass too), so I can't really see that as being the main reason for it being taken out. >so much ass its frightening. I also LOVE the way they extend the ending >of LTL live. I get goosebumps every time i hear that. On the boot i >have, there's some guy in the crowd that yells "HOLY FUCKING SHIT" after >its over. The first time i listened to it i was thinking the exact same Yeah, that too. TDOE, eh? I didn't even notice that until you mentioned it. I went back and listened to the end of LTL again (since TDOE seems to be the most popular boot anyway), and sure enough ... "HOOOOLY FUCKING SHIT!" - I think that sums it up pretty nicely. :) Mind you, I think that comment was made about the entire show, and not the ending of LTL. Anyway, when I heard LTL on that boot, it was amazing how much different it sounds live (and not just the ending). There was a lot that got kinda muddled on the album that you can hear live. If only James' voice wasn't shit on that boot. _____ _____ _-_ Lars Hellsten (email_address_removed) * Go Leafs & Pens! _-_ (\|/) http://infinity-online.com/~larsh/ * MatrixSoft Development (\|/) ~-~ "I saw the future, dressed as a stranger..." - Dream Theater ~-~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:38:38 +0100 From: email_address_removed.de (Bernd Basmer) To: email_address_removed Subject: ***** SUPERIOR - CD ***** Message-ID: Hi! I just can't hold this back anymore... :-) ******************************************************************* The CD of my band SUPERIOR is finished and I'd like to offer it here to ALL OF YOU! Kind of sound: If you put together very heavy and strong guitars HUGE keyboards, a powerful rhythm-section and a great outstanding voice, you get the sound of this CD. Kind of music: A prog-metal like, heavy rock music mixed with keyboard- and acoustic arragements and filled with film-musical elements. Kind of lyrics: Critical, thought-provoking, questions asking, no 'Oh baby I love you'-Lyrics. :-) If you like Prog-Metal, you'll like this CD. Naturally you won't give a fuck on this all, if you can't give it a try first. So look at: http://www.rmi.de/~marvin/superior.html or http://www.whytel.com/users/jskewes/jsmusic.html or http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/sup.html for info, pictures, lyrics and soundbytes. For orders/infos in the US please contact Jason Skewes (email_address_removed). For orders/infos in Europe or other continents, contact me: email_address_removed.de. If you have more questions concerning this CD or the band, feel free to email me at email_address_removed.de. ********************************************************************* REALLY sorry for NDTC but I think this could be more interesting to you than all those religion/moshing/...-debates. Just my opinion. Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all of you! Bye. Bernd. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:13:11 +0100 (MEZ) From: Martin Kappen To: email_address_removed Subject: to all of you!! Message-ID: this one goes out to everyboDy on ouR list and the guys from DREAM THEATER!! havE A Merry merry chrisTmas and a Happy nEw yeAr leT's hopE it's a good one without any feaR... peace is all that we need now ( besides music, of course..), best wishes, martin (kappenm@uni-muenster.de) ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 1995 13:15:13 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1201 Message-ID: *** Reply to note of 12/22/95 09:33 Soup...the answer is Extreme "Who cares?".... Steve "Why try holding back the wave?/You'll only drown in the changes/You've got to learn to let go/And experience the flight /Try to see from a different side....Then maybe we will see/A future understanding"--Queensryche "My Global Mind" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 95 13:47 MEZ From: Roland Theysohn To: email_address_removed Subject: Change of Seasons ? Message-ID: Marcel Berkhout wrotes that there is no Bootleg with a Change of Season on it. I think this is not correct. I got The Dance of Eternity Boot,the Song is 20:04 and the Live in Long Island Part II with 20:18 Playtime. Bye from Krautland [sig trimmed because of length] Roland Theysohn(roland.theysohn@protel.de) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:27:54 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Barb Battaglia) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1201 Message-ID: >Or perhaps LeBrie should follow suit with Peter Gabriel, Fish, and Geoff >Tate and dress up in certain costumes. Especially if the next DT album is >a concept album. Yeah, I think that he would be fantastic dressed up as Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. BTW, hello everyone, it's BABS. (This is not a flame, I just couldn't resist. I think that he would make a fabulous Gaston). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:17:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard Karsmakers" To: email_address_removed Subject: Some questions about Lost in the Sky Message-ID: Hi there. I have a few questions concerning the bootleg "Lost in the Sky". 1) Is the date (November 1993) correct? DT were in Europe in March and April, I seem to recall... 2) What is the bit after "Only a Matter of Time" called? It seems to be some kind of jam but the bootleg list/FAQ doesn't mention it. 3) The bootleg list also mentions "Under a Glass Moon" and "March of the Tyrants" as being extra produced or something. Is "March of the Tyrants" perhaps the bit after OaMoT? -- [sig deleted because of size] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:22:45 -0500 (EST) From: puppies on acid To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ivanhoe question Message-ID: Ytse freaks... I'm going to buy an Ivanhoe album, but I'd like to know which album is the better one to start off with. I think they have two. They are: 1) vision of reality 2) symbols of time. Any better one to buy first? Thanks. .....Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 95 11:28:15 -0500 From: Dan Carlisle To: "ytsejam@arastar.com" Subject: El N Gee, SECOND SHOW Added !! Message-ID: -- [ From: Dan Carlisle * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi all, Just got the word that a second show has been added at the El N Gee. It is Dec 30th. Tickets on sale via the El N Gee in New London CT. Merry Christmas :) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:20:19 -0700 (MST) From: William Kriski To: email_address_removed Subject: ACOS lyrics/DT review Message-ID: 'jammers, Ivan posted: >One more thing: can somebody send me the lyrics for ACoS, or at least >direct me to a FTP site? I can't find the around here. Um, what I did was open the CD case and read the insert. You might want to try that. :) Regarding that harsh ACOS review: I don't get too pissed when I read that stuff. Basically I love the blistering guitar solos, long songs, instrumental portions, etc, but a lot of people don't. I think we're a lot luckier because we get so much enjoyment out of music. A lot of people don't even realize what songs are playing when they're in a bar or driving in their cars. Some people don't like James' voice and I can understand it if they're into the rough-edged deeper voices. Sure James does it on Awake, but it's not the same as some of the stuff out there. I find DT similar to engineering. You like what you do, nobody knows what it is, but you get personal satisfaction from doing it. Whenever someone notices it, it's so they can criticize (buildings falling down, etc). Will ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:57:35 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: Tribute bands Message-ID: > Someone had noted they were looking for people to round out > their DT tribute band. What are Jammers' feelings on these > kinds of bands. I know this had been discussed on the > Ryche's SiD, but I don't remember it being here. Some bands > (like the Ryche) can't stand tribute bands, seeing them as > rip-off artists. My opinion is mixed. Some are truly > entertaining and many are blow-offs. Your thoughts? I think it's a great idea. Imitation is the highest form of flatery. Plus, if you're really crazy about a band, and can play an instrument, it's a great feeling to play those tunes. And you can play the ones you want to. Like those Rush tribute bands. They play stuff that Rush doesn't anymore. If there's a DT tribute band, I'd hope for a lot of stuff from WDADU because DT doesn't do that stuff now. There isn't any reason to feel that these bands are rip-off bands. They are a cover band, plain and simple. It's just that they only do covers by one band. It's not like they're gonna be making too much (if any) money from covering their favorite band. --Marc R ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:57:40 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Is this a rumor or what?!?!?!?!?! Message-ID: > I just read in the Queensryche newsgroup that DT might > re-record WDADU. Now honestly, I doubt this, BUT my mouth > does begin to water when considering the possibilites (in > regards to production, vocals). But I wouldnt be so sure > how Derek would hold up since the album is very keyboard > heavy (which I like BTW!!!) Only a Matter of Time RULEZ!!!! > hehe Sure would be amazing if this is true! Anyone know > any truth to this or it just a reflection of my warped > mind????? I only have one thing to say about this. Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, let it be true! I love WDADU and I would love to have a new version of it. It would be weird though with a new vocalist and a new keyboardist. I'm sure that some stuff would be rearranged too. I also tend to doubt that it will happen but we can hope :). --Marc R ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1204 **************************