YTSEJAM Digest 1179 Today's Topics: 1) Argh. by email_address_removed (The Ytsejammer from Hell) 2) Fates Warning by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 3) Fates Warning by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 4) Attn: Long Island Ytsejammers by The Digital Man 5) Re: Stuff.... and Enchant by "R. Hailey" 6) Re: God, Men, Stage-Shows by "R. Hailey" 7) "voicepiece" by email_address_removed 8) HELP HELP! by "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" 9) Re: I didn't write it/but you did say... a little DTC by email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) 10) YtseCon II update! by "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" 11) booting the december shows by "Brian V. Cox" 12) #ytsejam by rickbond 13) A variety of notes (especially on Christianity) and maybe a new thread by "Richard Karsmakers" 14) Psychotic Waltz & Abstrakt Algebra by Danny van Lent <95754563@mmu.ac.uk> 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1177 by Karri K Kiviluoma ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:56:16 -0700 From: email_address_removed (The Ytsejammer from Hell) To: email_address_removed Subject: Argh. Message-ID: I AM SO CONFUSED. I can't figure out what to do......NUggethead, E-mail me personally. Ummm....that's all. Argh. Ben "Back and Confused as Hell" Laussade ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 22:33:16 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: If you want to try Fates, get the new compilation album, _Chasing Time_. It is a *very good* representation of where Fates has gone, starting from an almost Maidenesque metal- band, to where they are today---- very mature and interesting to listen to. My only gripe is that the album _Perfect Symmetry_ is *way* underrepresented, but the CT almost maxes out as far ^ as time goes, so it's not too bad. If you can't find CT, | go for _Parallels_ ('91?), probably their most consistant | work (some parts of it are very subtile, though), or PS ('89)--| which is a little rougher, but it is the first album I got, and is considered by most Fates fans to be their best (this or ||s). The recent _Inside Out_ is pretty good, too. Try to find CT, though, and you can go from there if you like it. Fates can be slightly more mellow than DT, but Zonder is a drummer who's up there with Portnoy, though his style is more subtile. The twin guitar leads (esp. on ||s) are really fantastic---- a Fates trademark. I think Fates is one of the best bands that never hit it big, for some reason. I'd put them on par with Queensryche. Good luck, Zach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 22:33:36 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: If you want to try Fates, get the new compilation album, _Chasing Time_. It is a *very good* representation of where Fates has gone, starting from an almost Maidenesque metal- band, to where they are today---- very mature and interesting to listen to. My only gripe is that the album _Perfect Symmetry_ is *way* underrepresented, but the CT almost maxes out as far ^ as time goes, so it's not too bad. If you can't find CT, | go for _Parallels_ ('91?), probably their most consistant | work (some parts of it are very subtile, though), or PS ('89)--| which is a little rougher, but it is the first album I got, and is considered by most Fates fans to be their best (this or ||s). The recent _Inside Out_ is pretty good, too. Try to find CT, though, and you can go from there if you like it. Fates can be slightly more mellow than DT, but Zonder is a drummer who's up there with Portnoy, though his style is more subtile. The twin guitar leads (esp. on ||s) are really fantastic---- a Fates trademark. I think Fates is one of the best bands that never hit it big, for some reason. I'd put them on par with Queensryche. Good luck, Zach ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 02:40:19 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: Ytse Jam Subject: Attn: Long Island Ytsejammers Message-ID: Hey. I've been talking with a couple of you on IRC, and I had an idea. Those of us that live in the LI/Queens/Brooklyn area should try to get together a few days before the Malibu show. This way, we can get to know each other before the YtseCon and the show, and we'll probably have a better time because of it. Interested? E-mail me privately. D-Man aka YtseDigit (Oh, no! Another Bafuism!) *************************************************************** * Christopher R. Merlo |8^)= * * The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall * * Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. * * email_address_removed http://www.uvm.edu/~cmerlo * * * * * Will work for bass strings * * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 00:33:02 -0800 (PST) From: "R. Hailey" To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Stuff.... and Enchant Message-ID: hi, this is my three hundredth and fourty first post ever, so sorry if I make any mistakes... and I just hafta start by saying that DT RULZ!!! =) On Mon, 4 Dec 1995 thus spake email_address_removed: > > I leave you with another toughie in the Lyric Challenge: > > "Move over....I said Move Over! > Hey hey hey, clear the way!" hmm, I'll take a wild guess here and say Queen... just for fun I'll try to name the song... erm...Princes of the Universe?... =) in other news, several weeks ago I got Enchant's 'Blueprint of the World' ...after letting it sink in for a while, I feel obligated to recommend this disc to just about everyone here... a brief description: the drummer is Very Good; he appears to have the same sensibilities as does Mike Portnoy; that is, he hits things other than his snare on beats, and has a variety of fills, and is simply Interesting in General; the singer has a likeable voice, which is very good (altho not up to kjl's standards, of course); keys,bass and guitars are decent; and the compositions are really quite good... ...probably one of my faves of this year. for those of you to whom this means something: Enchant would be classified as neo-prog for those of you who need comparisons: I would have to say a cross between Rush and DT; (more accurate would be Cairo and DT; the guitar sound/style is eerily similar to Cairo's) hope this interests someone, and good luck finding it... chris we can learn from the past l r.christopher hailey ...but those days are gone l we can hope for the future l email_address_removed ...but there may not be one l __ _.. _. _ .. . dream theater 'a change of seasons' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 00:48:15 -0800 (PST) From: "R. Hailey" To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: God, Men, Stage-Shows Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, thus spake Bafu 'F.I.' Vai: > > From: Jeff Hochberg > > What do you imagine their stage show looking like? How might Dream > > Theater go about making their live show "bigger-than-life" visually? > > When I saw them at the Moore Theater, they did just that. I mean they > really mixed it up with the stage show. Before the show started, one of > the stagehands threw a big inflatable tennis ball into the crowd. So I > assumed that the "theme" for the evening was tennis. Then DT comes out > sporting goatees and bandanas like Andre Agassi! It was hilarious! > > Anyway, the concertgoers all showed up with tennis balls. Some of them had > unopened cylinders of three, ready to go. When "Erotomania" started up, > LaBrie had nothing to do, so he whipped out this tennis tacket and what do > you know, the fans started hurling the tennis balls at the band. I guess > DT had advertised that people bring them, and somehow I missed it. snip > Anyway, if I had a choice, I'd like to see more concert-themes like this. > You know, stuff for the crowd to get into that the band could also have > some fun with. hey bafu, it's too bad you didn't know about it ahead of time... you know the guy who had that serving cannon (or whatever you call those things)? that was me.... I somehow managed to smuggle it in my pants... I'm darn lucky that security lady didn't do a thorough search... I had a lot of fun with that thing; did you hear that yell when I got the techie who was picking his nose?! (it was right during 'Silent Man')(and almost in key!) shooting out the main tier of lights was an accident tho... it's a good thing the fire was really small... rock on, seattle! chris fever high, blind man clapper l r.christopher hailey flag-waving monkey man l never see past own mouth flappin' l email_address_removed all the answers, palm of your hand l __ _.. _. _ .. . herd mover platform weaver change topic, slight of hand echolyn 'as the world' issue bender, big speech giver power tie, and photo tan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 01:25:50 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: "voicepiece" Message-ID: hello all. this is the piece i mentioned before, it's called "voicepiece". written by christopher hobbs in 1967. try it. have fun with it. david the magical kobayashi VOICEPIECE Voicepiece is for any number of vocalists (not necessarily trained singers), and lasts for any length of time. Each performer makes his own part, following the instructions below. it may be found desiarble to amplify the vocal noises, since it is difficult to vary the amplitude of these predominantly quiet sounds. Any of the other sounds may be amplified. Loudspeakers should be placed around and among the audience. The performers should sit in the auditorium, and may move around freely during the performance. The piece may take place in the darkness, in which case each performer will need a small torch by which to read his part. DETERMINATION OF EVENTS Open a telephone directly at randon, and begin reading at the top of the left hand page. Read only the first four figures of each number. Each set of four figures constitutes one event. As many sets are read will provide a programme of actions to fill the time available for the performance. Read down the page, omitting no numbers. INTERPRETATION OF THE NUMBERS The first of the four figures in a set refers to various types of sound production, according to the following system- Figure 1 indicates sining with words. The words may be in any language, and any dialect. Use any literature from which to contain texts, except these instructions. Do not invent your own text. The literature, and thus the language, etc., may be changed any number of times during the course of a performance but such changes should be made between, not during events. Figure 2 indicates singing, without words. The note(s) may be sung to any sound provided that the mouth is open for their production. Figure 3 indicates humming (mouth closed). Figure 4 indicates whistling. If you cannot wgistle use instead any one vocal noise other than described in figures 6-8. Figure 5 indicates speech. The remarks in figure 1 apply here also. Very quiet speech may be interpreted as whispering, very loud speech as shouting (see below) Figure 6, 7 and 8 indicate voals produced with the lips, throat and tongue respectively. Figure 9, indicates a vocal noise produced by any means other than those described above, eg. with the cheeks. Figure 0 indicates any vocal sound not included in the above categories, eg. screaming. The second of the four figures in a set refers to the duration of text. 0 is very short, 9 is very long. The other numbers represent roughly equal gradations between these extremes. Each event may contain any number of sounds of any duration, depending on the overall duration of the event. The sounds may be made at any point within the event, with or without silence preceeding and/or succeeding the event. The third of the four figures in a set refers to pitch and amplitude. 0 is very low/very quiet, 9 is very high/very loud. Both these charcteristics will apply only in a general way to the event. Not all the sounds in an event need be very high and very loud or whatever. Pitch and amplitude will apply in different degrees to the various sounds. Its categories 1-4, pitch is the primary consideration, and in general, amplitude will follow on from it. it is, for examplevery difficult for an untrianed singer to produce extreme low sounds at anything other than a very low amplitude. in categories 5-9, amplitude is more easily varied, especially if amplification is available, and pitch should left to take care of itself. The fourth figure of the set refers to silence after an event. 0 is no silence, 1 a very short pause, and so on. 9 represents a very long silence. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 01:32:59 -0500 From: "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" To: email_address_removed Subject: HELP HELP! Message-ID: You guys could be of extreme help to me if you happen to have any papers on either Philosophy/God and why evil exists in hte world, ect -and/or- Physics, enginnering, modern science topics, anything about 6 pages that I can give a 20 min talk on. I am willing to pay for these and hope that no one think any less of me after this...I just have too much to do and my grades determine if I will keep my scholarship and in effect continue to go to the school I currently go to. Also w/ all the stuff I named above, i just am totally stressing out! If you can help, you are a VERY cool jammer!! ____________________________________________________________________________ "Likely or not its a dream that we keep and at odds with our senses we'll climb. But if faith is the answer then we've already reached it and if spirit is a sign, then its only a matter of time." (Kevin Moore of Dream Theater) Trey Allen (T-Stretch) - email_address_removed - http://www.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:36:45 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: I didn't write it/but you did say... a little DTC Message-ID: jjens wrote: >.... one of my favourite topics on #atheism on the Undernet IRC. stop >by sometime; we're a really nice group of funny folx :) > >"God only exists in the minds of humans" -jjj Jon: I think you have that backwards. The absence of God exists only in the mind of non-spiritual humans. One must realize we have at least 3 areas of growth in our lives they we need to nurture. 1. Physical - We need to eat healthy foods and excersize to support and allow out bodies to grow and stay healthy and enjoy and active physical life. 2. Mental/Emotional - We need to mature as we grow older, become less "me" oriented. We are all preoccupied with ourselves from birth, change my diaper feed me etc..) We need to learn mental disipline and consideration of others needs. We go the schools of higher learning so we can become viable contributers to society and become gainfully employed. During the process we hopefully learn that Love is life and hate is death. Learning to Live, have you heard that song? :) 3. Spiritual - This is an area a lot of people overlook. We by nature are spritual beings and have a need (though some of us suppress it), to understand life beyond the natural. The natural being what we can hear, see, smell, feel, and taste. The easy thing for us to do is to ignore the signs that there is a God, but if you look and not to hard they are very obvious. The signs of the existance of God is beyond the scope of my commentary. Even one of our favorite bands writes about the existance of God. You may say you are an atheist but I KNOW deep down in your soul (unless you're not human) that you know there is a higher power. In WFS "God give me the power...." and there are other references that John P. makes as well. If we don't nurture our spiritual person we will be spiritually dead. Just as if we don't take care of our bodies we will die physically. I could write much more on this note but I don't want to loose readership and I hope I haven't already. I was once an atheist, but obviously that's changed. I've spent a lot of time pondering the existance of God and to turn my head to what life has shown me in regard to the living God would be utter foolishness. I'll be glad to mail you my testimony if your interested (I'm still working on it for other jammers who are interested. I posted this to the jam because I don't want it to be seen by your eyes only. For those of you who may think I'm preaching - I'm not, I'm teaching PLEASE make the distinction. God Bless You All, Michael C. P.S. Jon do you celebrate Christmas or acknowledge Easter? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 02:22:47 -0500 From: "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" To: email_address_removed Subject: YtseCon II update! Message-ID: INTRODUCTION Okay...I haven't died for those of you who wondered, I have just been VERY VERY VERY busy w/ the YtseCon, finals, papers (of which you will see more on this subject later), my quartet and work. I apologize for not updating you sooner! Another reason I haven't updated you sooner is that nothing new has really happened. We are totally waiting on DT's answer. I am about tired of waiting for them though and think that I may try to go through management after all. So if you have any names and numbers of people to contact, please send them to me! ============================================================================ ======== YtseCon II Update ============================================================================ ======== So far: We have about 65 people who say they want to attend the YtseCon II tentatively scheduled for Dec 28th, from 5:00pm-7:00pm at the Rockville Center Holiday Inn in Rockville, NY (about 15 mins from Malibu) at a cost of about $5-$15 depending largely on the number of people attending and several other things listed below. --------YtseCon II options----------- (options 1 and 2) The Hotel's banquet room can either be rented by us for around $300 (I think I can get it a little cheaper cause they mis-quoted me the first time!) or it can be USED for free with a per person charge of about $7.50 a head including coffee/hot chocolate and pastries ect. We could also go for more of a finger food thing w/ fruit, cookies, cheese/crackers, sodas ect for like $15 a head. I know this seems very expensive, but its the going rate and wont be found for cheaper anywhere. If your thinking that we can just rent the room and bring in food they wont allow it. So I guess we'll have to get dinner before or run through a drive through on the way to the show @ about 7:10. (option 3) I really want to get some T-shirts made for the YtseCon. They would be fairly similar to the ones that Jason Giles did. I was planning to use white ink on a shirt color of the purchasers choice with some writing of YtseCon II (date, place, "Internet mailing list", "ytsejam@arastar.com" ect) on the pocket and a big (correctly proportioned) Majesty symbol on the back...right below the words (the way they write them) "Dream Theater". These would be great to give to DT! The price for these ----AT 36 OR MORE ORDERS----- is about $7 a peice. Not a bad price at all! But remember, the more orders, the cheaper they are! So everyone who have freinds going, ask them about their shirt orders also! Ohhhh, and don't worry about the shirts being bad quality! I promise you will be just as happy w/ them as Jason Giles' shirts (though these may not have the glow in the dark ink). ----------------PROBLEMS----------------- 1) Okay...I'm gonna lay it all out for you...I am not going to invest $125 into a most likely, non refundable banquet room if there is a chance that DT may not be able to attend the Con. There would be no reason for us to have it there if they weren't coming. We could jkust as easy hold it at a resteraunt or something. So as of now I'm just going to wait on DT for booking the room. But it needs to be done very soon... I am afraid that it might get booked and this Holiday Inn is the only hotel close enough w/ enough prestige for DT. 2) I need to know what you guys think about all the options... Option 1) Rent room for $300. Eat dinner before or after YtseCon. Option 2) Pay $7.50 per person including coffee/hot chocolate and assorted pastries w/ no charge for the room itself. Option 3) Have T-shirts made @ roughly $7 (Must be more than 36 orders) on any color shirt you choose. Option 4) (My preference) Have the YtseCon price include the room + a shirt! That way, the shirts would be about $6 and everyone could wear it to the show that night! 3) Is there any kind of copy writing laws that make it illegal to make shirts like I described above? Normally I wouldn't care since I'm not making profit off them, but since DT will see them and even get one, I don't know if I should worry????? Help anyone???? ----------------------LOW DOWN SCOOP!!---------------------------- We're waiting on DT to answer, but in the mean time, mail me about your opinions on problem #3 (the options) and any other comments you have. ALSO the following is the current list I have for the YtseCon II. If you ARE NOT on that list and will be attending, -OR- if you are on the list and WILL NOT be attending, mail me and let me know! --- I expect to be getting alot of mail!!! ------------Malibu Night Club - Lido Beach, NY - Thur, Dec 28 Trey Allen Brandon Ghioto "Paul W. Cashman" + Tymoteusz Altman email_address_removed Friend Friend Marc Contrady Freind Freind + "Patrick H. Davis" brother The Digital Man email_address_removed (augie) Rachel Goldenberg Brian Cox Ppirf Bigman email_address_removed email_address_removed Aaron email_address_removed + email_address_removed (Adam H. Marshall) Andrew Keegan email_address_removed (Cornholio) Friend Friend Friend Friend email_address_removed freind friend friend friend email_address_removed Friend email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) Friend Friend Friend Jeff Chew Friend Friend Friend Friend email_address_removed Friend Friend Friend Friend email_address_removed Friend Friend Friend Freind Freind Corporate Community Relations Friend "Ryan P. Skadberg" Friend Friend Friend email_address_removed Lev Pelekh |<<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<<| v "Looking at the world today, our technology has surpassed our humanity. ^ v You have given me reason to believe that one day our humanity will ^ v surpass our technology." ^ v taken from the movie Powder ^ v ----------- Trey Allen ---- email_address_removed ------------ ^ v http://www.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html ^ |>>->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->>| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 03:27:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian V. Cox" To: email_address_removed Subject: booting the december shows Message-ID: well, i just had an idea. doesnt happen too often so pay attention. at the three december shows, i will be DAT taping. "so fucking what?" well, that means that i also have an extra analog tape deck that will not be used. i might even be able to swing an extra DAT or two and some nice mics. so if anyone of you that will be there wants to tape the show you can borrow my surplus equipment and have at it. you can keep the tape of course. i just figured some of you might want to see what it is like to tape a show before buying the equipment, to see if you like it. either way i will bring as much crap as i can, and we can set people up in every corner of the places with tape rolling :) the goal of taping shows is to make the music available to as many people as possible at the best quality as possible at the least cost, and i figured this woulld be a good way for one or two of you to get a master tape of the shows instead of a higher gen copy later. and best of all it is totally free (you gotta buy the blank tape, though, i am not that generous) :) <><><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (email_address_removed) <><><><><><><><><><> <>Rush|Dream Theater|Queensryche|King's X|Echolyn|King Crimson|Voivod><> "You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free. Everything that is contradictory creates life." -Salvador Dali, 1980 "The man or woman who is insensitive to the spell of this performance really isn't fit to live in civilized society for it is one of the wonders of the world" -Frank Granville Barker <><><><><><><><><>DAT Taper/Trader - Email me for list<><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><> http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~bvc8995 <><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 04:27:28 -0800 From: rickbond To: email_address_removed Subject: #ytsejam Message-ID: How do I go about connecting to the #ytsejam IRC? I'm running Netscape Chat if it makes a difference. Rick Bond Limbo Cage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:51:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard Karsmakers" To: email_address_removed Subject: A variety of notes (especially on Christianity) and maybe a new thread Message-ID: I am sick and tired of it! Months ago I mailed a message to the list to the list to the effect that I would really like to get some kind of song-by-song description of what interesting stuff is happening at which times in the song. And of late people have been mentioning quintuples and sextuplets and I guess I have a hunch what they are but I'd like to know *where* they are happening! I'd like to know what is happening musically in all those songs, and from which CD song time to which time. That would also make for an instant answer to an interesting question such as "what is happening at x'xx" in 'Bombay Vindaloo'" and stuff like that (which I think are really intelligent questions). I am not talking tabs here, though it would perhaps be neat to have directions for the appropriate tab files within the descriptions). For a while I thought Ben and some other guys were undertaking this project (and had started on "6:00"), but apparently not. I think it should be an invaluable project for people on a mailing list for as technically and musically brilliant a band such as Dream Theater. Last but not least I'd like to tell you that Ytsejam is the only mailing list that I am still not unsubscribing from after weeks of such intense output. The Rush mailing list was 30 Kb per day and that was simply too long for me. Ytsejam, however, is different. And I think it's people like Ben and Bafu that do it. I don't know if this will be a thread or something, but I'm hereby supplying my Top 10 of 1995. Not as a "my fave 10 albums of 1994", but as a list of stuff I would want the whole world to check out. If, on account of this Top 10, any of you feel I should check out a certain album of a lesser known band, please feel free to suggest something! 1. My Dying Bride - "The Angel and the Dark River" (MFN) The best doom metal outfit that exists. Excellent album with moody compositions and great violin stuff. 2. Orphanage - "Oblivion" (Displeased / DSFA) Triple-voiced (grunt/female/normal) death metal. Dutch. Excellent. 3. Septic Flesh - "Esoptron" (Holy Records) Progressive melodic emotional doom metal from Greece. Wonderful. The only thing that keeps it down a tad is the standard death metal kind of production. 4. Dream Theater - "A Change of Seasons" (EP) (Warner) Need I really say anything about this? 5. Yngwie Malmsteen - "Magnum Opus" (MFN / Pony Canyon) Great heavy stuff, only one ballad, and really good songs. As good as "Seventh Sign", which was the best album since "Trilogy". 6. Tristitia - "One with Darkness" (Holy Records) Unique death metal vocals, with instrumental songs in-between. Slow and loud. Good stuff. 7. Celestial Season - "Solar Lovers" (Displeased) Grunts with two violins and keys, and really heavy doom stuff. Effing A! 8. The Gathering - "Mandylion" (Century Media) Really melodic, used to be doom metal but now only have female vocals, hauntingly eerie. Dutch band. Good! 9. Nightfall - "Athenian Echoes" (Holy Records) Straight-in-the-face war metal from Greece. Quite prog, too, I guess. Aggressive and technically quite good. 10. Paradise Lost - "Draconian Times" (MFN) Not a surprising album but quite good. Those who liked "Icon" will like this, although perhaps not at the first listen. Special Spinal Tap runner-up (because there are only 10 in 10, and really there ought to be 11) is "The Silent Enigma" by Anathema. A definite potential thread: Fave song to be played at your funeral? Mine is definitely "One" by Metallica (the unedited version, not the single version), or "Fade to Black" (also by Metallica) if they can't find "One" :-) To Michael C.: This is something I've wanted to write for so, so long, for a few months actually. I am getting so god damn tired of all your condescending remarks about people who use lightly (in your opinion) the word of god or whatever. Take a break man, you irrirate hell out of me even by your inane "God bless," at the end of your every message. I don't believe in god or any god for that matter, and I have valid reasons for that. I wish you would just see that people who are not devote christians and all that have a complete different use of words. I use "christ" and "heavens" sometimes but they have no religious meaning whatsoever. It sounds silly to say "buddha, that music sucks". It's idiomatic. I wish very much for you to shut up completely in god-related matters. You're like a jack-in-the-box, popping up to defend christian morale and everything even *loosely* attached to it at the *slightest provocation*. Don't you realise that you're predictable and boring? Gee, man, if only your signature was at the beginning of your messages I'd know what to skip right away. I think the bible is just a badly written fantasy fiction novel, but I realise that there are people who see more in it. I respect that. You always go on about the fact that we ought to respect your opinions and beliefs, and we do. But why don't you respect ours? Who are you to say how we should behave in religious or non-religious matters? Who are you to say that, should any of us say "God sucks", that person is wrong? Why do you think people who say rather un-religious things have any need to hear what you think of it? Religion is, like music, a matter of taste. Some people watch eMpTyV, some don't. Some people wear flares, some don't. Some people are religious, some aren't. Lighten up, dude. Live and let live. All those messages you're sending actually didn't stick to me for DT content but merely for religious stuff. This is not the Godjam or anything. If you're right about all this I will fry in hell. If I am right, however, you will have lived your life a self-righteous silly person. Most likely, we are both wrong and I will fry in hell *and* you will actually turn out to have lived your life a silly person. Then again, who am *I* to say this? After all, your opinion is as valid as mine. Just keep your opinion in non-DT related matters *off* the flipping Digest! I can assure you I will keep my non-religious opinions off the digest in the future, too. Surely, not a soul is interested in it. It's just that I was almost getting angry because of all that self-righteous condescendence. I had to write this and shoot my load. (currently listening: Orphaned Land's "Sahara", excellent prog death metal - I guess - from Israel, with Arab scales aplenty and beautiful compositions) \\\\|//// / - - \ (| (')o(') |) \ ~ / /=-ooo-=-=ooo=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ | Richard Karsmakers email_address_removed.nl | \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ Editor of : "Twilight World" Internet fiction magazine "ST NEWS" Atari ST/TT/Falcon multi-media disk magazine Snailmail : P.O. Box 67 NL-3500 AB Utrecht The Netherlands /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ | "I know money talks because mine always says 'goodbye'" | | David Lee Roth | \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ * If you want my PGP public key, mail and ask * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:47:24 GMT From: Danny van Lent <95754563@mmu.ac.uk> To: email_address_removed Subject: Psychotic Waltz & Abstrakt Algebra Message-ID: Hi there Ytsejammers, I subscribed to ytsejam a few weeks ago and this is the first time I'm sending a mail. I don't have to tell you what my favourite band is and it's certainly not Blind Melon ;) so I won't bother you with that. During those few weeks I've been reading a lot about DT and other Prog-Metal bands in this mailing list but I haven't seen anything about Psychotic Waltz and Abstrakt Algebra. OK, Abstrakt Algebra isn't a very big band, YET, but they sound really great. They are from Sweden, I think. If you don't know them, CHECK THEM OUT!!! If you DO, please, let me know what you of them. About Psychotic Waltz: I can't believe that there isn't anyone who doesn't know them! Do you all hate their music? I love them, so let me know what you think, OK? Furthermore I would like to know if someone can help me to find a dubsite for the Acoustic Dreams and Subconscious CD's. Unfortunately I subscribed too late to be able to get a copy of these CD's. I would prefer a dubsite in Europe (The Netherlands would be even better!) How can I get hold of the Kevin Moore Demos (also in Europe)? Please help me out here Danny 'Dutch dude' van Lent (currently studying in Manchester, UK) P.S. I hope you all don't disapprove of my way of mailing (I'm new, you know). If you DO, let me know personally and I'll change the way of mailing. I wanna be a GOOD mailer ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:58:30 +0200 (EET) From: Karri K Kiviluoma To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1177 Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed > Subject: Stuff.... > > I leave you with another toughie in the Lyric Challenge: > > "Move over....I said Move Over! > Hey hey hey, clear the way!" > > Not as hard as the T-Ride one, but you have to be a fan to get it. Queen-A Kind of Magic-Kurgin's song (theme?) Not so hard...but then again I am THE fan ! =) Highlander's a great movie too.. 'It's better to burn out than fade away....' =) > > Peace and all that great stuff. To you too =) > > Souperman Oh kewlie ! I just found out that a friend of mine has the whole production (well almost) of King Crimson, Yes, Pink Floyd etc, etc... Someone talked about that similarities engine here and I decided to give it a spin. (It's at www.webcom.com/se). On the top ten there was something like 6 Fates Warning albums =). And I knocked them abit awhile ago! I just gotta get one for x-mas. Add it all together 'n I'm gonna have busy holidays =) Karri email_address_removed.fi Ps. This Sue/whoever person seems to have a serious identity problem. Too bad you can't just enjoy the music and other fans, dude =( ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1179 **************************