YTSEJAM Digest 1107 Today's Topics: 1) Let's make the concert-going experience better by Elliott Kim 2) ***ATTENTION ALL PHILADELPHIA AREA JAMMERS*** by email_address_removed (Stefan T. Rau) 3) AD Review - time to inflat Mike B.'s ego ;) by SaVeur 4) MASTERMIND *Could* Open for DT in Dec. by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 5) Girl and Stuff by email_address_removed (Ktulu) 6) Tea Party by The Digital Man 7) hic... by Michael Bahr 8) Religion? Please no. by Michael Bahr 9) Kevin Moore by roland.theysohn@protel.de (Roland Theysohn) 10) Give us shelter... by James Peele 11) Trey's #ed comments by email_address_removed (Trey Allen) 12) Another YtseConvention by email_address_removed (Trey Allen) 13) Re: IRC DT Room by NuGgeTMaN 14) to Kobayashi German art. by Kris Claerhout 15) Re: Give us shelter... by NuGgeTMaN 16) **IMPORTANT** AD dubsite list by email_address_removed.CA 17) Re: IRC DT Room by email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) 18) Re: IRC, advice about Pine by email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) 19) Re: DT Info by email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) 20) Getting into prog music by Dan Tshin 21) Cool drum parts by email_address_removed 22) Avant Garde by email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) 23) Re: Various DTC by Jeff Hochberg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 00:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: Elliott Kim To: Dream Theater Subject: Let's make the concert-going experience better Message-ID: Hey, I've gotten an overwhelming response from Florida area Ytsejammers. I think we can all consolidate our efforts at getting up to see the show on the 29th. There is talk of a Ytse-Caravan from Florida. From the looks of it, there are about ten people from the Sunshine State attending the Dec 29th show in Old Bridge, NJ. All the Florida Jammers can get their own little section and a huge sign that says "Florida" - kind of like the Democratic or Republican National Conventions. 1.> Name Tags - It would be nice to be able to easily identify each and every Ytsejammer. Some Ytsejammers probably don't plan on buying t-shirts, so a name-tag could identify them as a jammer, while some people like BABS just plain refuse to wear theirs. :) 2.> Was there talk of getting together before/after the Birch Hill show? Let me know if I missed it and fill me in. 3.> We might all want to get a coordinated effort together to print out jams for Mike Portnoy. Someone can be elected to print out jams 1100-1105, someone else can do 1106-1110, etc etc. That will eliminate duplication and Mike will have tons of jams to read. If enough people are interested in doing this, I'll work out the details and volunteer to print out some. If this project does get implemented, PLEASE try to conduct yourselves normally as if you all didn't know that your words will be seen by Portnoy. (though no one will complain if the posts got genuinely more intelligent because Portnoy will see it.) It would really suck if we started getting 6 or 7 jams a day again, but this time around, 6 or 7 jams full of one-liner "Hi Mike!"'s and the resulting complaints. I trust each and every one of you to use your discretion. If a Jammer pounds out a brilliant post and includes a _very short_ hello to Mike, that should be okay. I don't want to be the one responsible for an avalanche of jams and unsubscribes. Even Bafu Vai has a life, and cannot spend time wading through 6million "Hi Mike!"'s. I wonder how he maintains his formidable piano and guitar chops (perfectly executed/articulated 16th note runs at 190bpm!) AND finds time to write up the crazy shit he's known for. (not to mention schoolwork) -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 21:55 EST From: email_address_removed (Stefan T. Rau) To: email_address_removed Subject: ***ATTENTION ALL PHILADELPHIA AREA JAMMERS*** Message-ID: Greetings, everyone!! I have a HUGE favor to ask of some kind-hearted Philadelphian on the list. I just got myself a ticket to the 12/29 Birch Hill show, and I find myself with no way to get there, so I really really need someone to take pity on me and give me a lift. I live right outside Philly (Lansdowne, PA, in case anyone' ever heard of it), so if you're going to this show, I could make arrangements to meet you about anywhere in the Philly metropolitan area. I will be eternally grateful to anyone who can help me out here......this will be my FIRST time to see DT, so I don't want this ticket to go to waste for lack of transportation..... Thanks in advance, --Stefan Rau email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 23:38:09 -0500 From: SaVeur To: email_address_removed Subject: AD Review - time to inflat Mike B.'s ego ;) Message-ID: hey folx, first off, thanks to MIKE BAHR! for Acoustic Dreams. this disc roolZ! the sound quality beats every boot i've ever heard -ok, so i only have SubCon and the InstruMentals :) i agree w/ whomever said AD tops WDaDU production-wise. the cover is really kool. kudos to "George Fan". and onto the songs: ~ AD ~ still not sure if i like how James sings here. very ~ LS ~ wow. the John's smoke this one. i like it. ~ WfS ~ kool. again, the John's shine brightly. i almost like it better than the IaW version. ~ SM ~ eh, similar to Awake so my feelings are similar. givin' the correct mood it's kool. ~ LIE ~ oh yeah! this kicks. i think i'll learn this on bass. Mike, put that tamborine down. ahhh...thank you. ok, bongos...kool...damnit, there's that tamborine again. oh well ;) ~ Tears ~ i definately know i like James better than Geddy. ~ OHN ~ is it Christmas yet? ~ PS ~ did someone learn how to work the stereo pan? :) Bruce gives it that nice British feel. i still hear the basic feel of Ytse Jam in there. you know the part, dunn dundundun dun-dun-dun dun-dun-dun dunn dundundun-dundundun..... ~ 6 ~ kinda raw compared to Awake version. keys solo different? "inside coming outside" part extended 1 time. ~ CiaW ~ let's bury James in reverb and push him back into the mix ;) i miss the vibraslap (right after the guitar solo) in the Awake version hehe ~ Voices and Bad ~ someone tell that damned audience to StFU!!!! i'm tryin to listen!! welp, once again, Mike puts out a truely great cd. good job! and consider this my formal request for 2 WDaTU. like my .sig for the bandwidth-impaired? ;) -john YJLHB SubCon#397 AD#242 email_address_removed http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 95 21:30:23 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: MASTERMIND *Could* Open for DT in Dec. Message-ID: The following is some email I exchanged with Bill Berends of MASTERMIND today: >Also, are you going to be playing anywhere in >New York from the Dec. 27- Jan. 3? A friend and >I are flying in to see a friend. Incidentally, >we're taking him to the DT concert at the Malibu >on Long Island on the 27th. Well, the good news is we *might* be opening one (or more) of the Dream Theater shows in December, the bad news is, I don't know yet! I've been talking with their (ex) manager Jim Pitulski, and he said he'd have ask Mike Portnoy if it was cool - if it goes over with Mike, then we're on. I expect ot hear back from him about it soon. Hopefully it'll work out, I'll let know know ASAP. You're coming out from CA for a visit? Enjoy! <> >I can't imagine why he *wouldn't* want >you guys to open for them. Me neither, but I haven't been able to get in touch with Jim Pitulski the last few days, so hopefully I'll know more by next week. He says Mike is really cool though and doesn't see a problem - but you never know! >Do you mind if I forward this "rumor" >to the ytsejam list? I would make a >lot of people very happy !>)> Sure, go ahead, it might help get them moving on it if they thought there was an interest! Another show in the works - Electric Factory Concerts of Phila. has promised us the opening slot for Jethro Tull when they come to town. I believe we can count on them as they did get us the gig with John Wetton as promised. Wish us luck and thanks again for your interest! Hopefully we'll meet up in December. Bill ________________ Incidentally, if anyone hasn't checked out MASTERMIND, yet, you're missing out. Imagine a kind of like heavy-metal ELP. They just had a release _Tragic Symphony_ (which I still have to order...) 'jam on, Zach ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 00:13:09 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Ktulu) To: email_address_removed Subject: Girl and Stuff Message-ID: >You said she was holding something besides the mirror. I still have my >cd longbox from I&W so I examined a pretty big picture, as opposed >to a tape cover. All I see is the mirror. There is a purple ribbon >on her nightgown and its close to her hand. It could look like she was >holding it. That's what it is. My mistake. Visit the DT Chat Room. YOu can talk to ME. I bet your REAL escited now! BTW, I'm Cthulhu. Ben Laussade email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:34:04 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man To: Ytse Jam Subject: Tea Party Message-ID: Has anyone heard of this band the Tea Party? I've ehard them on the radio here & there. They sound real interesting, but I don't know if I want to buy the CD after only hearing 1 song. Zep riffs ala _Presence_, but angrier, with a cool synth sound doubling the bass and guitar, and kind of an Eddie-Vedder-meets-Mike-Patton type singer. Any recommendations? -Chris <#@$%&*%#$&(#@!$^(&^%@!%^&*():$%#!=@!#%+^%&~$!$%^*)^#$!#$%&*(+^%!\^%&*;$%^> My parents went to Aruba and all I got was this lousy email_address_removed .sig file. http://www.uvm.edu/~cmerlo <#@$%&*%#$&(#@!$^(&^%@!%^&*():$%#!=@!#%+^%&~$!$%^*)^#$!#$%&*(+^%!\^%&*;$%^> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:08:15 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: hic... Message-ID: Hello folks. While I thank those of you who are providing the wonderful public service of posting directions to the december shows... you might as well just wait and post them in late december, since everyone will be asking again anyway. :) No harm done, just noticed this... Am I Mike Portnoy? Don't I wish!! It'd be pretty damn cool, but I have to level with you all, I'm definitely not The Man. (of course, all the conspiracy theorists amongst thee will no doubt take that as definitive proof that I'm the hirsute drummer we all admire.) The Light Fuse I'm using, for general knowledge, is from Deer Park from January 1993. The only other public performance of it was in Pennsylvania, that had James singing. This is for WDATU. The "Lie" groove works well as the base for instrumental improvisation. Not only on Acoustic Dreams, but in my own band as well. I don't know if my rhetorical whimsies so far in this post have made it clear, but I am totally blasted... completely drunk off my ass. And enjoying every minute of it. I've had eight... count'em, eight of those big-ass cans of Fosters' Lager. This is so cool, I'm trippin. It's been a while since I had nothing important to attend to the morning after a potential drunkenness. You know, if you get drunk enough, listen to Tori Amos, and sort of dance slowly with the flow of the melody, it's really neat, and your knees and elbows feel pretty numb. > gulp < So did you all hear about the constipated mathematician? He worked it out with a pencil. OK, nasty one, I know. I'm listening to the Back Pain Jam from Subconscious as I kick back here... boy, I dig this. Derek and John really shine. Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:10:29 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Religion? Please no. Message-ID: I just saw a few baiting posts for a potential religious argument on the Jam. Please don't bite, folks. Religion is one issue upon which we can be sure we will *never* agree. I believe in God and in Jesus Christ, but there are many who seek a different path. I would hope that their path will lead them into the ultimate reality as surely as I hope mine does for me. God bless, Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 95 09:20 MEZ From: roland.theysohn@protel.de (Roland Theysohn) To: email_address_removed Subject: Kevin Moore Message-ID: Hi all, Here is the Translation of the Rock Hard Arcticle.I ll hope it is right. Coming out of his Exile in New Mexico,where he wents after the split with the Progressive Kings Dream Theater,Kevin Moore is back in Civilisation.He is now on the Westcoast where he work with Fates Warning Drummer Mark Z. on the Material for his solo CD.The Material is going in the New Age direction.The Prog.Label Magna Carta and other Companies showing interest,but because the Project just started Kevin wants to wait and see. That it was.BTW Rock Hard is the best Magazine in Germany IMHO. Hey Kaoru did you buy it in Japan? Thats all from good old Germany.Hope it helped you.CU ----Oh no,that is the Kraut from Germany again----- DONT MISTAKE LACK OF TALENT FOR GENIUS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 03:41:19 -0500 From: James Peele To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Give us shelter... Message-ID: Well, Elliott's idea to go the NJ show has attracted about 10 Florida jammers now... It looks like we'll be making a ytse-caravan up to the show... Jammer's in the area: We would love to sleep on your floor... The job market stinks in Florida and we're all doing this on a tight budget... (right guys? Trey? Doug?) Any ideas? Help us, please.... :) E-mail: email_address_removed or : email_address_removed Thanks guys and gals, Jay Peele INFERNO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 95 05:03:57 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Trey Allen) To: email_address_removed Subject: Trey's #ed comments Message-ID: 1) WOW! ACOS was one of the CDs that are on dispay to listen to at circiut city! They also had teh Silent Man single! Killer Im gonna buy more CDs there. ACOS was $8.00 and I&Ws and Awake were $11.00! 2) > >Ting-ti-ding Ting-ti-ding .... > Well if oyur talking about Scarred wouldn't it be: Ting-ti-di Ting-ti-di Ting-ti-di... And if you meant YYZ it would be Ting-ti-di Ting-ti-di Ting Ting Ting-ti-di Ting-ti-di Ting Ting Ting-ti-di... 3) Has anyone else gotten a message from someone claimeing to be John Pettrucci's brother. I got this several days ago. >X-UIDL: 815165444.006 >From: email_address_removed >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 08:42:57 0000 >Organization: WWU >To: email_address_removed >Subject: (no subject) >X-Url: http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/dt/dt.html > >Hey my friend... You have picked a hell of a band. The only problem >being is that you know nothing about them. I am John Petrucci's brother >and I think you have exploited him and the rest of the guys. I think >I'll have him send you a line to fill you in on the reality of Dream >Theater and what they represent. Cool. No harm done. 4) >Well, I WOULD like to know more about IVANHOE. All I've seen about them >is, "Oh God, they're such a cool band! They sound just like Dream Theater! >Check out their Web page, man!" That's all great, but I don't have wen >access. Does Ivanhoe have an FTP site where I can d/l the .WAV files from? I will be glad to send everyone who wants it, e-mail with an attached mime file of a zipped file of about 2 mins of IVANHOE. Send ME (not the jam) your addresses and I'll do it in a couple days so all the responses can come in. 5) >I think if somebody does the toilet paper idea, it should have >Blind Mellon on it. Of course, who would buy used toilet paper >(i.e. it already has BM on it)? > Ouch! ____________________________________________________________________________ "...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater) Trey Allen (T-Stretch) - email_address_removed - http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 95 05:04:06 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Trey Allen) To: email_address_removed Subject: Another YtseConvention Message-ID: YtseCon II Since like all of us are gonna be in the area anyway, why don't we have another YtseConvention likeon Dec 28th or something. I bet we could get at least Mike Prtnoy to drop by, if not the whole band. Afterall their latest album is dedicated to us! I am not sure who arranged the first one but who ever it was, PLEASE DO IT AGIAN!!!! If you dont want to for some reason, give me some of the info and I'll head it up. I want this to happen! Trey Allen ____________________________________________________________________________ "...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater) Trey Allen (T-Stretch) - email_address_removed - http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 05:51:16 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: IRC DT Room Message-ID: For access to YTSEJAM go to a GLOBAL IRC server like irc.colorado.edu or irc.mo.net that kinda server ---------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. StatisticZ show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances are they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :) "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) email_address_removed Eric Moegling: email_address_removed email_address_removed NEW HOMEPAGE!!!! http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN fOr MoRE nFo AboUT mE fIngEr: email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 04 Nov 95 06:15:58 EST From: Kris Claerhout To: Subject: to Kobayashi German art. Message-ID: Hi, I'm not German but I'll translate this. I speak Dutch, English, French and German. Original text: Hi, I found following article on Germany Rock Hard magazine(September issue). Would any Germany Ytsejammer like to translate this? ----- Aus seinem selbstauferlegten Exil in New Mexico, wohin er nach seinem Ausstieg beiden Prog-Kings DREAM THEATER abtauchte,ist Keyboard magier KEVIN MOORE in die "zivilisation" zuruckgekehrt. Seine Zelte aufgeschlagen hat der New Yorker mittler weile an der Westkuste, wo der Mann zusammem mit Fates Warning-Drummer MARK ZONDER am Songmaterial fur sein Solo-Ding bastelt, das stilistisch in etwa in die New Age-Ecke abzielt. Einpaar Campanies, u.a, das Prog-Label Magna Carta, sollen bereits Interesse gezeigt haben, aber in Sachen Dealswill Moore, dessen Project immer noch inden Anfangen steckt, vorerst einmal abwarten. Translation: After his self inflicted exile in New Mexico, where he moved to after he quit the prog kings Dream Theater, keyboard magician Kevin Moore returned to the 'civilazation'. He pitched his tents in the New York area on the West Coast (should be East Coast I think...), where he works together with Fates Warning drummer Mark Zonder on songmaterial for his new-age sounding solo project. Some companies, among them prog-rock label Magna Carta, are showing interest, but Moore isn't considering a deal at this moment because this project is just in its initial stage. KRIS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 09:01:49 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Give us shelter... Message-ID: In response to James sayin' the job market SuX...AMEN Brother!!!! PLEASE Help us p00r JammerZ down here!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. StatisticZ show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances are they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :) "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) email_address_removed Eric Moegling: email_address_removed email_address_removed NEW HOMEPAGE!!!! http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN fOr MoRE nFo AboUT mE fIngEr: email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 95 09:39:22 -0500 From: email_address_removed.CA To: email_address_removed Subject: **IMPORTANT** AD dubsite list Message-ID: Hello everyone, Now that Mike Bahr sold all is acoustic dreams CD, we can start a AD dub site list. Those of you, AD holder, who wants to dub AD for the jammers that didn't get the chance or didn't have the money, e-mail me personnaly and i'm going to post the list to the jam on regular basis. I spoke with Trey Allen, the subcouncious dub site manager, and he agreed that i maintain this list. Remember, those who wants to dub, that: 1- it's a non-profit project (you can ask money to buy a tape and pay postage) 2- the main goal of this project is to give the occasion to real DT fan to hear this great CD 3- you may want to trade AD dub for another dub, if possible 4- you must be able to make a good copy of your CD send me your name and adress: email_address_removed.ca hope to hear from some of you soon ....................................................................... Item Subject: signature ********************************************************** * Jean-Francois Cote * * INRS-Sante * * * * "55 feets of rainforest are consumed with * * every 1/4 pound fastfood burger made from * * rainforest beef...Ha, Ha, Ha...THIS AIN'T FUNNY MAN!" * * DWEEZIL ZAPPA, THE EARTH * * * ********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 09:27:23 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: IRC DT Room Message-ID: You wrote: > >> Geez, >>How come no one's ever in the DT chat room. Doesn't SOMEONE want to >> >I tried to go, Ben, but I'm not sure which server the chat room is >on. Could someone please post information on this - which IRC server >is #ytsejam on? Try the netcom host efnet. Michael C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 09:28:42 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: IRC, advice about Pine Message-ID: You wrote: > >Hello once again, kiddies. Okay, first, can someone e-mail me and >explain how to use this IRC thing? I tried it once and it confused the >hell out of me. Try the Netcom host's EFnet. Michael C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 09:34:19 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT Info Message-ID: >Here again are the questions: >1. Which DT album did you buy first and why? a. I&W. b. It was the first one I knew about, the next one was WDADU. >2. What is your favorite DT song? a. Scarred >3. What is your least favorite DT song? a. Space Dye Vest >4. How old are you? a. 36 >5. What sex are you? a. Male >6. What instrument do you play (if you play)? a. Drums (24 yrs) Michael C. p.s. to those y-jammers who complained about the fat, did I cut out enough? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Tshin To: email_address_removed Subject: Getting into prog music Message-ID: Some one wrote about getting into prog/metal, etc without much outside influence.... Well I share that characteristic. I didn't have friends who listened to rock/metal especially Prog at that time (grade 8/9) I come form a classically trained piano background. At that time, rap was the "in"music and I listened to it partly cuz it was cool and I did like it (I still do today to a certain degree) Nyways, I started getting into real metal. I don't remember what got me to change, but I started to listen to just heavy and speed metal. (oh ya... I also listened to the MOST SAPPIEST stuff ever at that time too!! I know almost all of the Chicago songs by heart now :) ) After a while, I started picking some "good" music. Saigon Kick, King's X, Queensryche, Metallica, Van Halen, etc. I kind of want to thank MEAT magazine for pointing out some good picks. I think from reading a couple of their reviews, I was persuaded to buy Empire. I think that was about the extent of any influence I got. For the most part, I've been exposed to more good music through the YtseJam. I've got to thank most of the people that are really mature about their attitudes towards music. Some don't slam other types of music and they try to get others to try out the stuff they like. I really appreciate that. Most of my friends are not really into my type of music, except for the pop-rock, but I've found zounds of people at U... and on my floor. Anywze, this is getting long winded, so I'll just end with DT Roooolz!!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ | Dan Tshin email_address_removed.ca |"Love is not just a / | | Comp Eng. 1A University of Waterloo | passing word; it's a | | WWW Site: http://www.orbonline.net/~danman | state of heart that goes/ | | | on forever." -- A Change | | Shad Survivor: 94 Carleton. "Da Bad Shads" | of Seasons, Dream Theater | |_____________________________________________|___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 13:36:57 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Cool drum parts Message-ID: Hey Ytsejammers....I'm not by any means a drummer nor do I have any expertise in understanding anything tecnical when it comes to drums. But I just wanted to share some of my favorite drum parts in Dream Theater songs. I hardly ever listen to whats going on with the drums (too focused on the guitar and keys usually), but several times in DT songs they just jump right out at me. For example, in ACoS, at about 12:00, Petrucci is playing a pretty simple riff and Portnoy is just playing along (I'm not a drummer, remember, so bare with me when I try to explain this) and he just cuts the beat in half while Petrucci just keeps playing his riff in the same time and according to the same beat. I'm sure this is not tecnically that difficult for a good drummer, but it has the effect of making that whole part seem to go in "slow motion." Really cool! It reminds me of some of Peart's work at the end of Red Barchetta. I also really like the segue between the second chorus and the guitar solo of Scarred where the guitar rhythm/time and the drums are completely different but they eventually catch up with each other so that they are both playing the same thing. Again I apologize for my horrible description of these things. I'm a biochemist, not a music theory major! I just love when bands can escape the typical 4/4 time and each of the musicians can break away from the mold, if you will, go off and do their own thing in the context of the song, and come back and join the band. It creates such a cool effect and shows the talent of the musicians. To have such a concept of musical "time" is astounding. Anyone else ever pick out these parts as their favs? Rocketboy >>Satellite of Love<< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 14:46:04 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) To: email_address_removed Subject: Avant Garde Message-ID: Hey all! DT rules! If anyone has received Acoustic Dreams in the high 200's, let me know. Still waiting for #305!! (Obligatory DT content). Now the important business. Have any of you heard of the group Avant Garde? They were a prog-rock group who played a lot around the NT, CT area in the mid-late 80's. Two guitarists, bass, drums and singer. Like Dream Theater, they were all virtuosos. Amazing double leads, odd time-signatures, etc. They sounded a lot like DT, but their singer sounded very Yngwieish. Compared to many 80's groups, they were *very* progressive. Here's the catch. One of their Shrapnel-esque guitarists changed his name from Pete Rivers to Rivers Cuomo and joined (drumroll please) Weezer...yes, Weezer. I have obatained a *very* rare tape containing their studio demos, live soundboard recordings and some four-track recordings. It's great if you ever get into a musical argument with a prog-basher. You can just play this tape and say, "Look! Even Weezer got their start in prog-rock! Haaa!" But the playing is very good and interesting because of the Weezer guy. (You should really hear him on this. It's hard to believe it's the same guy). If anyone is interested in this or has heard of Avant Garde, e-mail me personally. Later guys! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- "So He came Himself in weakness, not in power, And He sent thee, the creature, in His stead."--James Joyce -Mike Bradley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:31:31 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Hochberg To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Various DTC Message-ID: > before the band comes in. (A cue, maybe?) On the Live in Tokyo video that > I have, Portnoy can be seen clicking together his sticks a split second > before the band comes in to finish off the song. I thought that this > little bit of communication and unity of the band was amazing. On some > bootlegs, you can hear the sticks before the band comes in, too. These > guys are amazing! It would be even more amazing if Mike DIDN'T cue other guys by clicking his sticks together. After the drum solo they could all just close their eyes, take a deep breath, and tune into each others' psychic energy. After a few seconds of silence.... BAM! they all come in at exactly the same time. :) Jeff email_address_removed (P.S. - Only 3,463 ACOS's till the Birch Hill show!) ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1107 **************************