YTSEJAM Digest 1093 Today's Topics: 1) bafu vai by email_address_removed 2) Japanese video by email_address_removed (Damion Sanchez) 3) Revelations ala Ben by email_address_removed (Ktulu) 4) Duality/Dualism by Kyle Mallett 5) The return of the female musician thread by "Hitchcock's Other Eye" 6) Japanese video by email_address_removed (Damion Sanchez) 7) Re: UK lie single by Dan Kidney 8) Re: dt by "George Bast (CS)" 9) Re: Christianity on the list by email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) 10) Ann Raynd and echolyn by Kyle Mallett 11) Re: Duality and Easter by Dave Silva 12) Re: DT/nin thread by John Hackley 13) Heavy Bones (former DT content) by "Richard A. Rivera" 14) So Jeremey doesn't like James... by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 15) T-SHIRT UPDATE by Jason Giles 16) Band-album-song thread by w de boer 17) YTSEJAM digest 1092 by Kris Claerhout 18) Re: Ytse & Jam by Damon M. Fibraio 19) Re: Christian images by w de boer 20) Re: Christian (Kyle Mallett) by w de boer 21) WANTED:Sheet Music/Tabulature by Henk Volmer 22) Re: Zach doesn't like Jeremey by email_address_removed.de 23) Shadow Gallery by Kris Claerhout 24) Duff Chord by J Wiseman 25) Re: NINE INCH NAILS by email_address_removed (Lars Hellsten) 26) AD / Wake Up Question by Wilco Barg 27) (U)Operation:revolution by "Steven Johnson, P" 28) AD by BILL HUSTON 29) To Neil Gallop by "Richard Karsmakers" 30) Ivanhoe by "M.H.H.Maseland" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:47:02 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: bafu vai Message-ID: hey bafu......brilliant dialog. in a VERY warped way it reminded of reading "godel escher bach". that was just what i needed after 10 minutes of sleep and coming home exhausted after playing your last performance of "hair." thanks again.....wondering if you had died the past week or so. david, the magical kobayashi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:24:32 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Damion Sanchez) To: email_address_removed Subject: Japanese video Message-ID: I have a Japanese video (bootleg). I think it's from Pay Per View television over there. It starts out with the band in the dressing room receiving their platinum albums. A Japanese woman is interviewing them (and they all act like "What the fuck is she saying?"). All it says is Dream Theater: Tokyo, Japan 1995. The set list is as follows: 1. Pull Me Under 2. 6:00 3. Take the Time 4. Caught In a Web 5. Drum Solo 6. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 7. The Mirror 8. Lie 9. Another Day 10. Erotomania 11. Voices 12. The Silent Man 13. Metropolis It runs a total of 1 hour and 58 min. Does anyone know for sure what this is from and what date it was played on? Thanks. Damion Sanchez ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:02:52 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Ktulu) To: email_address_removed Subject: Revelations ala Ben Message-ID: I've been thinking....JUST KIDDING!! i don't really think. Anyways, this quoted from Wait For Sleep: She stares at the ceiling And tries not to think And pictures the chain She's been trying to link again But the feeling is gone Possibly a child (the one on the I&W cover?) trying to get their parents back together, but they have grown apart and don't love each other anymore? ALSO, can anyone tell what the girl is holding? I've only got the tape, so it's pretty small. Well, today I almost got the Live in Tokyo video and the Silent Man single, but I was kinda short on money. oh, well. The cover of the SM single is interesting though. Glass with a bullet hole in it. Could this be a clue as to the meaning of the song? Hmmmm..... Ben Laussade email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 19:45:02 -0600 (CST) From: Kyle Mallett To: email_address_removed Subject: Duality/Dualism Message-ID: Once again on the issue of duality. It appears as though, I said "duality" when I really meant to say "dualism." (you learn somethin' new every day). Dualism: (in a vague sense) the belief that good and evil are two equal forces. This is what I do not believe in. I hope this clears up my point, rather than clogging it. Another interesting comment was made in a jam in regards to my comments. It was in response to Ken's comment that I contradicted myself. It was stated that duality is an integral part of Western philosophy: there cannot be good w/o evil. Good can only be distinguished as good in respect to evil. This is a philosophy predominant in Western culture. Once again, I'm not trying to make converts over this list, I'm simply stating my views. The atheists and others do not hesitate to state theirs and I do not intend to do so regarding mine. Western philosophy, though influenced by Christianity in various ways is NOT Christian. Nor is Western philosophy something I subscribe to. My beliefs may coincide to some degree with it. Obviously, I am a WEsterner and I have undoubtedly picked up on some of the ideas. However, I do not believe good can only be seen in relation to evil. I think there is a state of being in which good is seen only in its own light. There is no knowledge of evil in this state and that recreates in the individual something that is rarely seen: innocence. I could go on, and might at a later time, but I must go now. kyle mallett "... is the dance of eternity." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 19:26:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Hitchcock's Other Eye" To: ytsejaM - Subject: The return of the female musician thread Message-ID: Evening folks, Although I'm not really a 10,000 Maniacs/Natalie Merchant fan, I went to Natalie's concert with my girlfriend last night here in Chicago at the Rosemont Theatre and was VERY pleasantly surprised by what I saw/heard. The music was not only much more guitar-oriented (with several extended jams) but, in addition to her enthusiatic stage presence, she was supported by a female guitarist (same as from her album, Jennifer Turner) who was VERY VERY good. I know that we are all aware of exactly how few females (for whatever reason) can be found in the position of doing lead guitar in ANY band, so that, by itself was a very nice change. BUT, to add to this, she handled things VERY well, going from rhythm guitar, to very nice blues leads, to trading vocal leads with Natalie and the vocalist from the supporting act (Innocence Mission), to acoustic/classical style, to spotlighted LENGTHY heavy-rock solos, to nicely understated backing vocals. Now I know that this is all VERY Non-DT-related, but I couldnt help but think, as I sat there "Now THIS is the kind of thing that should be pointed out as an example of the kind of contribution that ALL female guitar players SHOULD be allowed to make, given the chance" In the end, my suggestion is to go and see Natalie and take this opportunity to see "how it should be done"! Andrew ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Taylor & Here in Al Capone slept here... Chicago "One down, one to go..." "Where Cubs and Bears Roam Wild" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:36:47 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Damion Sanchez) To: email_address_removed Subject: Japanese video Message-ID: I have a Japanese video (bootleg). I think it's from Pay Per View television over there. It starts out with the band in the dressing room receiving their platinum albums. A Japanese woman is interviewing them (and they all act like "What the fuck is she saying?"). All it says is Dream Theater: Tokyo, Japan 1995. The set list is as follows: 1. Pull Me Under 2. 6:00 3. Take the Time 4. Caught In a Web 5. Drum Solo 6. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 7. The Mirror 8. Lie 9. Another Day 10. Erotomania 11. Voices 12. The Silent Man 13. Metropolis It runs a total of 1 hour and 58 min. Does anyone know for sure what this is from and what date it was played on? Thanks. Damion Sanchez ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 20:47:27 -0600 (CST) From: Dan Kidney To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: UK lie single Message-ID: WHOA I've been gone for a long weekend and LOOKIT all of the 'jams which have been kept toasty warm in my mailbox for my perusal. I remember reading about the Lie single released in the UK and that various jammers thought it was pretty swell. Of course, I can't remember what you guys said the other tracks on the single were. A couple of my relatives are going to Britain this December and if this single has nifty (yes, nifty) stuff on it I'd like to have 'em get it for me. Could some kindhearted jammer e-mail me personally and let me know what's on it? Thanks. --Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 16:09:52 -0500 (EST) From: "George Bast (CS)" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: dt Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Oct 1995 email_address_removed wrote: > and some of you guys are bitching that you can't get in to see dt b/c you're > under 18? check this out: they played a FREE GIG in july (i think it was) at > the cpi in (i think) westhampton (did anyone go?? how was it?? i couldn't get > in because i was under 21!!!! to make it worse (i know you girls will love > this), it was 21 for guys and 19 for girls!!!! ahhhhhh!!!!!!! almost tempted > to dress for the occasion (if you know what i mean). being 20 sucks. you're > old enough to do stuff, but still too young to do others. god, i can't wait > til 21 (and even better- it falls on a saturday next year!!) Hey, I was there! It was my very first DT show and it was incredible to say the least. The James Young Band (JY from Styx) opened up and played a couple of old Styx tunes and some stuff of their own. Then DT came on totally blew my mind! For the opening song, 6:00, the James' microphone was tuned too low and you couldn't hear him too well, but after that they got their act together. Did anyone else go to this show? I had my YtseJam shirt on and was frantically searching for others to say hi to, but none were found. I did have someone on this list stop me on the way out but couldn't chat for too long. I've been wanting to post this for a while, but my darn procrastination habits got the best of me again. :-) And I understand the anger of the under-21 folks out there. While I was waiting in line at the CPI show, I saw a couple of guys who drove all the way out from Pennsylvania or Maryland to see the show and were denied entry. They were pissed! Take care YtsJammers. Hope to see a lot of you at Birch Hill this December! George Bast email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:58:42 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Michael Coghlan ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Christianity on the list Message-ID: Kyle M.wrote: >Greetings again......... >I believe there are two sides: good/evil (God and Satan). I do not >believe good and evil are two equal "forces." That is dualism. That >is what I do not believe in. I believe good is stronger than evil: >God is stronger than Satan. I'd be happy to continue this discussion >if anyone is interested. I'm always interested Kyle, in talking about Christianity. I'm glad to know you are presenting it on this list and think it's appropriate when it comes to defining what is aligned with biblical concepts and what is not regarding DT's lyrics. I found there are a number of Christians on this list which is nice to know as well. Quite a few non-Christians see us as passive, holier-than-thou, in the dark, close minded and idealistic. I've met some like that anyway. But I think most of us are far from close-minded. As a matter of fact in a lot of Christian circles I/we would be warned about listening to DT or any other secular bands for that matter. So I will conclude by saying that those of you who do hear us give commentary from time to time with a Christian perspective that for the most part are open-minded, though I realize this is somewhat subjective. Oh and by the way I agree w/Kyle God is stronger than Satan and good will triumph over evil. You'll see.... Michael C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 21:03:27 -0600 (CST) From: Kyle Mallett To: email_address_removed Subject: Ann Raynd and echolyn Message-ID: Greetings, I've noticed a couple posts regarding the work of Ann Raynd (sp?) That's interesting. I am definitely going to have to check out some of her writings. That now makes two of my favorite bands who are in some way connected. The other, if you haven't already figured it out, is echolyn. The first track on their first album, Fountainhead, is a reference to a work of hers. If I recall correctly from their FAQ, there are also references to her work in other songs of theirs. Yes, I'm definitely going to have to check her out. In fact, maybe I'll drop by the library after I'm done here. kyle mallett ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:25:17 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Silva To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Duality and Easter Message-ID: > > This above paragraph seems to prove my point. Art and its messages are seen > as subjective--"If the art speaks to you, it speaks. If it makes you > hurl..." If everything is subjective, how are we supposed to know what it > good? The only goodness would be a subjective goodness, and everybody would > have a different notion of goodness. For those of you who are interested, there is a very interesting discourse on the differences of subjective and objective beauty, goodness, etc... The book is called 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.' Don't let the title mislead you. It is very thought provoking, even if you don't agree with everything in there. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 03:34:56 +0000 (GMT) From: John Hackley To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT/nin thread Message-ID: Well, I have to admit, I'm somewhat surprised by all the responses to my post about nin and DT. I figure it has galled a few people who think that the topic doesn't merit that much discussion. The thing is though, that it does. Someone said something to the effect of here we go again. I don't know what he was talking about; guess I haven't been here long enough. But, I can't understand what's wrong with really saying something; and I can honestly say, withouth a hint of insincerity, that some of those replies really said something. Isn't that what a good measure of Dream Theater's stuff is about? Think of "A Fortune in Lies." I can just imagine a couple of people going through the "unity of [their] five day sessions, wasting all of what they could become in some ad agency. Isn't that what this is all about? When you have such a phenominal technology at your fingertips, why waste it? Wake me up when somebody has something to say, John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 23:15:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Dream Theater Subject: Heavy Bones (former DT content) Message-ID: I was going to reply to the NIN post, but everything I wanted to say has already been said. I guess that's what happens when you don't read your e-mail for three days. But I would like to say that I'm glad that people are posting that kind of stuff. It stirs up the shit-storm and makes people think. That's the kind of stuff I like and that's the kind of stuff I'd like to see more of on the Jam. Not that I want this turn into a forum for comparing and contrasting every band on the planet vs. DT. Speaking of which, I will soon be posting a fairly in-depth analysis of "Surrounded" once I submit my final draft for my English class. Now, to the point of this post. To the person who mentioned Heavy Bones: Yes, I've heard of them. I have their album and they were featured in Metal Edge several years ago. I even went to a show of theirs at the Troubador in LA. It was pretty good. The singer dangled from the scaffolding and the drummer was pretty good live. They had some pretty good songs. Nothing too original, typical late 80s/ early 90s hard rock (this coming from the ultimate fan of the genre). If you want better suggestions of who to check out in the genre of 80s/90s melodic hard rock, email me at: email_address_removed. Speaking of which, I forgot to thank Bafu Vai for supporting my choices in the now defunct favorite musicians rankings. Glad to see another fan of my kind of music around (there don't seem to be that many left). Too bad you don't play an instrument (do you?) and live in LA (do you?) or else we could get together and bring that kind of music back to the status it deserves. Oh well. Just another random thought. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 20:18:19 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: So Jeremey doesn't like James... Message-ID: > Notice anyone missing? Vocalists. How can I have a list without James > LaBrie, you ask? Well, I've used this poll to demonstrate how wierd I > must be: I don't like James that much. > > Gasp! How can it be? I say we kill him now! > > While James has his moments, a lot of times he sounds like he's trying > to have that Heavy Metal Sound (tm)) and just has to scream. But this is > more a live problem. In the studio, it seems to be a combination > of the melodies he has to sing (they seem to hang around the same note > way too much) and something which seems like he is on the verge of slipping > out of tune. Dude, do us all a favor and unsubscribe. This free-thinking crap will not be tolerated on the 'jam. Thank you. Zach ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:58:26 -0800 From: Jason Giles To: email_address_removed Subject: T-SHIRT UPDATE Message-ID: To all those who ordered ytsejam shirts, I was just wanted to let you know that I spoke with the shirt company and they said they are finished and are being shipped to me, so I should have them Monday or Tuesday, and will begin shipping right away (all the postage is sitting here in waiting!). Thanks for your patience, they will be in your hands soon! If you have not paid yet, please do so ASAP! Thanks, jason email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:21:13 +0100 From: w de boer To: email_address_removed Subject: Band-album-song thread Message-ID: Hi all, I know it's a bit late for this, but I've thought of another one for the band-album-song thread: Deliverance with "Deliverance" on Deliverance :) Wietze. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 95 03:26:59 EST From: Kris Claerhout To: Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1092 Message-ID: Re: Acoustic Dreams - Mike Bahr I sent my checque two days ago. Can you post the list with reserved numbers once again? Kris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 3:51:50 EST From: Damon M. Fibraio To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Ytse & Jam Message-ID: Bafu Vai: Seek professional help. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:05:41 +0100 From: w de boer To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Christian images Message-ID: Kyle Mallett wrote: > I continue to find it curious to see Christians dismiss >things as >non-Christian simply because it is depressing. Being a Christian >isn't a >picnic. This is not a criticism, just reality (as I see it). My opinion: A lot of Christians think they have to "feel good" all the time. I know this is a lie, but a lot of people really believe that lie. That's why, when they listen to DT and they get depressed, they automatically think DT is no good. Don Francisco once sang: "Love is not a feeling, it's an act of will" Wietze. P.S. Great tagline, Kyle! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:23:56 +0100 From: w de boer To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Christian (Kyle Mallett) Message-ID: Kyle Mallett wrote: >I'm a Christian. I believe >there are two sides: good/evil (God and Satan). I do not believe >good >and evil are two equal "forces." That is dualism. That is what I >do not >believe in. I believe good is stronger than evil: God is stronger >than >Satan. I'd be happy to continue this discussion if anyone is >interested. Great to have a brother on the jam! Wietze. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:48:29 PST From: Henk Volmer To: email_address_removed Subject: WANTED:Sheet Music/Tabulature Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:25:30 PST From: Henk Volmer Sender: Henk Volmer Subject: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII --------------------------SEGUNDA-------------------------- Name: Mark Volmer E-mail: volmer@.pi.net (Mark Volmer) Date: 10/30/95 Time: 07:45:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi there, I'm quite new on the net and i've actually just recieved my first Ytsejam Digest. It was pretty interesting. Especially the article on the lyrics of Voices by Khan was great. --------------------------------------------------------- What I would like to know is if there is anyone out here on the Net who knows where I can find some TABulature for guitar or bass of Dream Theater songs. I'm especially looking for stuff on Voices and Change of Seasons. ---------------------------------------------------------- I've tried to sort some stuff out myself, but it's pretty complex, so it would be coool if anyone could help me out. By the way, I've already got the bass-lines on Lie, Erotomania, most of the Ytse Jam and part of Change of Seasons figured out, so if there's anyone interested let me know through the digest. (Don't mail me all directly, i'm sharing this account with someone who will go completely bonkers if his mailbox is suddenly overfilled with hundred of requests for tabs.) Thanx, Mark Volmer <<< Zach, does you know what it means to be 'tolerant' ? ANDY email_address_removed.de ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 95 03:27:03 EST From: Kris Claerhout To: Subject: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: Has anyone heard Shadow Gallery? There last album 'Carved In Stone' really starts where the last Dream Theater stops. Long epic songs and great musicianship and no singer trying to sound as a metal singer. Just letting you all know there's more than Dream Theater. Dream Theater is great, but not the only one. Kris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:07:05 +0000 (GMT) From: J Wiseman To: email_address_removed Subject: Duff Chord Message-ID: O.k, I was listening to ACoS the other day, In particular 'Love Lies Bleeding', the Elton John Cover. "What was that?" I thought and rewound the CD a bit ant played it again. And Again. And Again. And there was a very odd sounding chord there. It's about 7:37 minutes into the song where James Sings "I was playing rock and Roll, You Were just a fan, so... " The odd note occurred on 'a fan.' Can anyone verify this? It's not as if I'm saying it's anything major, but it just bothers me everytime i listen to it. Take Care Jim the funky beer monster. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 95 18:19:23 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Lars Hellsten) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: NINE INCH NAILS Message-ID: Would people please STOP the NIN discussion? Last I checked this was a Dream Theater list. Furthermore, there's a (very active) alt.music.nin newsgroup, take this crap there! I think NIN suck. I don't want to read about them. I don't want to read that they suck either. And don't bother replying to that comment, because no matter what you say, I'll still think they suck, period. I don't want to read anything about them at all. I want to read about Dream Theater. Come on people, if you're going to talk about other bands that's fine, but at LEAST discuss prog-rock/metal bands, bands that many YtseJammers might be interested in knowing about (for example, IVANHOE). And if you must talk about NIN, I wish people would at least stick to USELESS information, and not start arguments about them just for the hell of this. (Say, didn't we just go through all this, err... last week with BM?!?) -- |Fidonet: Lars Hellsten 1:259/412 |Internet: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:59:35 +0100 From: Wilco Barg To: email_address_removed Subject: AD / Wake Up Question Message-ID: So here I am once more, in the playground of the Ytsejam (Free to Marillion#s #Script Of A Jesters Tear#) It has been quit awhile since my last post to the Ytsejam. I kept reading the jam but were unable to send stuff in. So first a big thanks to Mike Bahr. AD is great, and up till now, I think, the best sounded CD released. It almost sounds like an official released album. As I told in my last mail to the jam, overhere we had three releases in the last month. Besides ACOS and AD the second Instrumental has been released in The Netherlands. I have some questions, which hopefully can be answered by someone. 1. I just got the #Wake Up# boot the other day. But between the songs the noise of the crowd drops out abruptly. Does the Japanese radio make use of commercials between the songs, or did the makers break it for some unexplainable reason. 2. Every now and then it seems the line of Ytsejams get broken. For example from the last five or six Ytsejams I didn#t get number 1087 and 1091. Is that because they don#t excist or are they too long, as Ken Bibb told in Ytsejam 1092? Maybe you got an answer to this, Ken? I know someone asked this before. But I can#t remember reading the answer in the Ytsejam. 3. Why are the last two songs of AD not mentioned on the back-cover of the album? (Maybe someone asked this before as well) 4. Is there someone in the land of Ytsejam interested in trading bootleg recordings. I don#t have that much of DT stuff to trade (and I think most of you have it already), but I got a lot of progressiv stuff to trade. Please e-mail me personnally on this one to one of the addresses mentioned below. Thats all. Wilco email_address_removed.NL email_address_removed.NL * This World Is Totally Fugazi - Marillion * ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 1995 08:55:08 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" To: email_address_removed Subject: (U)Operation:revolution Message-ID: If anyone has the ability to reprint the Operation:Revolution thang re:getting MTV to play more hardrock/heavy metal, please post it. I think it'd be of interest to Jammers. Apparently it started on the Ryche usegroup or something, but it isn't limited to the five princes of Seattle. My corporate system has no way of clipping that portion of the Hardrock mailing list or I'd post it myself. THANKS!!! Steve *************************************************************** You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time/Close your eyes 'cause you'll find all you need in your mind -- Dream Theater, "Take the Time" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:46:55 -0700 From: BILL HUSTON To: email_address_removed Subject: AD Message-ID: Hi all, Saturday I received AD #177 and I must say thank you to Mike Bahr. The quality of this boot surpasses WDADU in production. It is really different to hear like WFS on guitar rather than keyboards-takes some getting used to but I like it. The different versions of 6:00 and lifting shadows is some of the best. Again a big THANK YOU to Mike. I was worried it would sound muffled like most boots but this thing is CLEAR! The only exception is where in a couple of places it sounds like James voice overloads the board and some clipping happens but it isn't often and of short duration. I just read where Mike has sold out so if you didn't get one, TOO BAD! wilmo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:30:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard Karsmakers" To: email_address_removed Subject: To Neil Gallop Message-ID: Er...the question "does anyone know what gullible means" was supposed to explain why the "food for thought" (that the Oxford English Dictionary removed the word "gullible") was actually a joke. :) \\\\|//// / - - \ (| (')o(') |) \ ~ / /=-ooo-=-=ooo=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ | Richard Karsmakers email_address_removed.nl | \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ Editor of : "Twilight World" Internet fiction magazine "ST NEWS" Atari ST/TT/Falcon multi-media disk magazine Snailmail : P.O. Box 67 NL-3500 AB Utrecht The Netherlands /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ | "I know money talks because mine always says 'goodbye'" | | David Lee Roth | \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ * If you want my PGP public key, mail and ask * ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 15:27:14 CET From: "M.H.H.Maseland" To: email_address_removed Subject: Ivanhoe Message-ID: Hi Jammers, just wanted to jump on the latest thread (well actually there seem to be a lot of threads lately) about the German band called Ivanhoe. I think that I am one of the few members that have seem them perform live. That concert was back in the summer of 1994 at an outdoor venue (rather a city park) of Almelo, the Netherlands. One splendid sunday afternoon a symfonic festival was held, and the bands that performed were Ivanhoe, Egdon Heath (Dutch band), Asgard (Italian band), Enchant and Jadis. Needless to say it was quite an interesting line-up and, considering the admittance was free (yes, Dutch people are cheap!), it proved to be a good concert overall. Ivanhoe were substitutes for another band that could not make it, and they didn't impress me that much. At the time, it seemed an Iron Maiden-ripoff with some keyboards thrown in at random. Maybe they are hard to appreciate when you hear them for the first time, or maybe the music has changed since then, but I can't imagine that this band now sounds alike to DT. I guess that I should give them a second chance, because the first time that I heard DT (WDADU) I wasn't that impressed either. Please email if you disagree! See you, Machiel -------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Machiel Maseland E-mail: M.H.H.Mase email_address_removed.nl student, etcetera snail-mail: Zevenwouden 237 3524 CR Utrecht interactive vocal information processing and exchange: 030-2894287 The calender of the Theocracy of Muntab counts down, not up. No-one knows why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out. -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) -------------------------------------------------------------- -------- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1093 **************************