YTSEJAM Digest 1086 Today's Topics: 1) **IMPORTANT** by email_address_removed (Trey Allen) 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1080 by email_address_removed 3) Re: Please Help Me...(NO DT CONTENT) by "Robert Quezada" 4) Acoustic Dreams questions by email_address_removed (augie) 5) DT/NIN + Ivanhoe by Kyle Mallett 6) Bickering by J Wiseman 7) Woohoo, NIN by Jeremy Lakatos 8) Mind Control CD (ADTC!!!) by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 9) Oh man! Not Again! by email_address_removed (Ktulu) 10) Survey Update by email_address_removed 11) NNINC by Jeremy Lakatos 12) Re: worn out CDs by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 13) asdf by Bryan Bridges 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1084 by James Peele 15) Re: A little story by Damon M. Fibraio 16) Re: Shadow Gallery by Damon M. Fibraio 17) NIN??? by JIMMY 18) Musical diversity on the jam!!! (a good thing) by James Peele 19) Fates Warning by email_address_removed 20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1072 by Baron Sengir 21) Hey! At least MY scrotum doesn't smell like broccoli! by email_address_removed (Ktulu) 22) DT Japan Tour (setlist including) by Kaoru Kobayashi 23) DT and NIN by "Paul W. Cashman" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 21:31:06 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Trey Allen) To: email_address_removed Subject: **IMPORTANT** Message-ID: For the nin vs DT thing I like this thread alot! Gonna be a good one. Now, Mike says that nin tell the truth about life and the horror and confinments of it. THey speak of depressing realities of our society today. Nin SHows that our existande is ruled not by our own actions but by what the pre generation X put in us and how they have, I guess raised us to be and shown us how to be. Sounds to me that Mike is TOTALLY CORRECT. BUT, I also belive that Mike is missing a very important point. He says that nin tells it like it really is. This is true, but does nin ever offer or even attempt to offer a solution to the problem of Generation X? Does nin ever even think of it? I dont think so. TRENT RESNOR JUST SITS IN HIS OWN PILE OF SHIT (sorrow and pain) AND SPREADS IT TO ALL OF HIS FANS. In turn they sit in their shit and whine to all of their freinds (like the ytsejam mailing list) and exclaim that the world is rotten and filled with vile. They proclaim that Generation X are sheeps and only care about sex and food! Listen to these lyrics; "I hurt myself today, to see if I still feel. I focus on the pain, the only thing that's real." "He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see," --- nin. Seems to me that, as Mike said, NIN expresses that their is a problem with the society of Generation X. But what does he do to change it nothing. Mike says that it can't change. THATS TOTAL BULL SHIT! If society can't change then how did Generation X get the way it is? It wasn't like this in the 50's. Mike feels that DT offers an ESCAPE from the problems of reality. I think DT offers a POSSIBLE SOLUTION to the problems of reality. If you think it wont work, then fine. But at least were trying not just telling everyone about it and getting all down all of the time. THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IS TO FIGHT IT, NOT JUST LOOK AT IT AND CRY! Mike, read this and understand that DT isn't an escape, but a band looking to help everyone change the way it is. "Likely or not it's a dream that I keep, and at odds with my senses I'll climb. But if faith is the answer, then I've already reached it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time." ---DT--- Have a good day :) ____________________________________________________________________________ "...Every day there's a constant reminder of all the pleasures we shared together. Love is not just a passing word, it's a state of heart that goes on forever..." (Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater) Trey Allen (T-Stretch) - email_address_removed - http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:05:09 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1080 Message-ID: I feel I have to respond to this comparison between Nine Inch Nails and DT. I can't comment about Nine Inch Nails, 'cause I don't know them, but I can comment on DT (which is why we're here, right?) Saying that DT fails to address the immediate issues of the present day, that they fail to "honestly" reflect the struggle of a single generation is kind of like saying that DT has its own message that is timeless, unswayed by popular opinion, resistant to the tides of current feelings. The person who describes "generation X" (whatever that means) is only reflecting his own experiences. Nine Inch Nails definitely speaks more to his experiences than DT does. However, his experiences do not reflect an entire generation. They have even less meaning within the context of the whole of human history. DT, however, encompasses so much in their music. Many of their themes take on Eastern mysticism, Christianity, Paganism, AIDS, self enlightenment, etc. Their music will continue to have meaning long after Nine Inch Nails has become obselete (by the sounds of it, like I said, I don't know NIN). Lastly, I would like to point out that having courage and optimism in the face of difficulties is just as honest as giving up on things and being cynical. DT doesn't shy away from the problems humans face - but they seek to conquer them, not merely drown in pessimism. Also, DT tends not to deal directly with more earthly problems, looking instead toward problems of the soul, or spirit. 6:00 is about the failure of a man to act on his dreams. The song can work on two levels. It could be about the problems of a "generation X" person, or it could be anyone, because we all have felt fear when confronting our true dreams. DT encompasses more. Of course, this all ignores the music itself. Most people (I find) are more interested in the lyrics, or a simple beat. That is the real reason DT will never be super popular. DT's music is superior, the message - more timeless than most. Mike S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:32:51 +0000 From: "Robert Quezada" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Please Help Me...(NO DT CONTENT) Message-ID: > On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Robert Quezada wrote: > > >> Another thing, EVERY DAY I LOG ON WITH AT LEAST SIX DIGESTS. > I didn't write that. Thanks for making it look like I said that. I quoted it when I replied to the original article. > Blah blah blah... [clip] or [snip] or somthing to that effect is better. Saying "Blah blah blah" sounds a little obnoxious. > > >> INFORMED WITHOUT MISSING A beat. Thanks. > > > I can see you're mad, but can you use lowercase? It makes it A LOT > > easier to read. > > > > Let me ask you something. If the server that sends the digest form > > doesn't send all of them, wouldn't it get backed up after a few days? > > > > Have you tried non-digest mode? I switched to it because of the > > multiple 'jams I used to get. It allows me to easily find the > > letters I want to read and delete the ones I didn't. I don't > > remember how to switch to it -- hopefully, someone else does. > > There are so many digests because of all of the useless traffic on the > 'Jam...which I just added to! From now on could everyone please put > "NO DT CONTENT: " on the subject line of your mail so I can > just delete it...I have blown away over 70 jams because I work for a > living and have better things to read...The only non-DT stuff I have been > remotely interested in are guitar related topic and "Hairball 101"... > Good idea. But I never wondered why there were so many digests. Why did you quote what I said when it had nothing to do with what you just posted? I was pointing something out to someone else about the capital letters and offered a suggestion. rq ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:58:30 -0400 From: email_address_removed (augie) To: email_address_removed Subject: Acoustic Dreams questions Message-ID: I have just received my copy of Accoustic Dreams #173 this afternoon. It's a great album. Thanks Mike Bahr for making this possible. I have a few questions about this album. I see the name of the album is MAJESTY: Acoustic Dreams. Does that mean the group Majesty plays all the songs? Is Majesty actually a band? Do they have any other albums out? I think but I'm not sure that Dream Theater plays Wait for Sleep, Silent Man, Long Island Expressway, O Holy Night, and Six O'clock on this album. On the other songs does Majesty play? I thank anyone who answers these questions. The answer to these questions is probably right in front of my nose, but I just can't find it. Once again, thanks Mike Bahr for making this album possible! It is great! Heath Augustover ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:10:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Kyle Mallett To: email_address_removed Subject: DT/NIN + Ivanhoe Message-ID: Greetings, I have been wrestling with the idea of whether or not to get in on the DT/NIN debate. I think it is a good topic, but I find myself at an occasional loss for words at times in trying to express my views. I'll try to be as clear as I can and keep it to a reasonable length. Note: I will only be addressing the lyrics side of the discussion. NIN is definitely more depressing and dark that DT. I don't think that is a question. The main question as I see it, is which is more honest/realistic. Well, this is a concept I have been mulling over in my head for some time (viewing life from a "realistic" p.o.v.) As a point of reference, I will say that I am a Christian. I do not intend to preach about how NIN should find the love of Christ (and DT for that matter) and they would be far better off. Preaching is an effective tool, but not in this type of arena. Where was I? NIN is darker; there is a dark side to life (more so for some than for others). This dark side needs to be acknowledged (the whole Heart of Darkness thing; Joseph Conrad), but I think it is dangerous to dwell and revel in that darkness. I honestly do not believe life is as bleak as NIN lyrics may have you beleive. There are traces of hope, but they are few and far between. I find DT lyrics more "real" than NIN because they cover more of a complete spectrum of life: both good and evil, dark and light, happy and sad, etc. etc. As for the issue of honesty, I think both are being as honest as any individual (or group as the case may be). Being honest doesn't necessarily mean you are speaking the truth. People can be misled rearding their own feelings and what ultimate truth really is. I could go on, but I will refrain for the time being. On a lighter note, my curiosity is piqued about the band Ivanhoe. After I'm done here, I will search out some samples off the net. If anyone has any recordings by them, please e-mail me personally and maybe we can work out some kind of deal. Kyle Mallett "Miracles never cease, they are just renamed." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 01:40:52 +0000 (GMT) From: J Wiseman To: email_address_removed Subject: Bickering Message-ID: Have you noticed how the DT digests are becoming more caught up with non-DT issues. If, for example, we take a couple of the most noticably major topics over the last few days. 1. Blind Melon - This involved people slagging other people off for gloating over the guy's death. 2. Digests. - Those who complain about the numbers are also adding to the list (as am I) I`m not here to argue if it is right or wrong, but if you dont like it then send messages directly, or to the editor. WHEN PEOPLE ARE ANGRY DO THE HAVE TO WRITE LIKE THIS? Just a THOUGHT! Jim the funky beer monster. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Lakatos To: email_address_removed Subject: Woohoo, NIN Message-ID: I would like to explain the comment someone made that NIN should learn to play their instruments. See, NIN is mostly one guy with electronics, very much like Golgotha. Probably a huge amount of it is programmed synthesizers (okay, there's the occasional guest musician such as Adrian Belew, but not much). See. No one plays. Ha ha. Anyway, I don't find this much of a problem cause the music's pretty good, even progressive in occasional instances (March of the Pigs for instance). I've written three pieces myself, all on computer. Anyway, I think the lyrics are probably more realistic, but then I think that the whole world IS hell (and, if you are one of the people who view the perception as the world, it is indeed ... but it's really just a personal opinion). There will be people who think DT's lyrics are more realistic. Probably DT, for one. Then there will be those, like me, who think both sets of lyrics are abstract and/or melodramatic (I've been trained, what can I say...you know, I can't really be pissed off in my writing anymore, cause my internal editor shouts at me, "melodrama, melodrama"... I now *need* other groups to express my emotions in art when I should be able to do better myself ... academia sucks ... sorry about the ramble). Anyway, to the point. IMO the lyrical realism or lack cannot make NIN a better band than DT. The MUSIC is where it's at. Anyone with me here? Sorry for adding to this thread, if you hate it, but thank god it's not BM, that's my opinion. People are thinking and debating and this is what communication's all about. If you hate me for this, oh well ... join the human race. -- If you can tolerate amateur poetry enough to do a SUCK/NOT SUCK poll, PLEASE check out http://grove.ufl.edu/~jeremy. (email_address_removed) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:53:59 PDT From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Mind Control CD (ADTC!!!) Message-ID: > > Jammers, > > This is short. > > Anyone who can tell me about the bootleg CD "Mind Control" please e-mail > me personally--I have questions for you. I need a brief discription of it. > > Thanks > > Ryan Benedict > email_address_removed Mind Control: 2 CD recording of Japanese radio broadcast during Awake tour (I think this is the same recording as "Wake Up," no?). Worth getting for the awesome drum solo in the middle of CiaW and the new intro to "The Mirror"--- "Another Crack in the Mirror." This instrumental seems to be a showcase for Derek, and it sounds great (of course, everyone who saw this tour heard it, but it's nice to sit down and digest it over and over) Has two acoustic "bonus" tunes (how the hell can a song be bonus if it's on a boot?)--- "TSM" plus "Tears" (both sound like demos. "Tears" sounds pretty good, but the AD version is a little better. Quality: A/A- (if one rates TDoE as an A) Zach ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 19:05:08 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Ktulu) To: email_address_removed Subject: Oh man! Not Again! Message-ID: Geez, you guys! If you're gonna post something controversial on the Jam, at least make it something with more than two views to it. Now there's like 3 million identical messages saying that DT and NIN are too different to be compared. Next time if ya wanna be controversial make it something interesting with lots and lots of different views. Capiche? Ben Laussade email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 19:25:16 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Survey Update Message-ID: Hi folks, Just wanted to update you on the survey. So far, I've received 26 replies, which I think is a very good number for the two days its been posted. I failed to say when I would post results. I am looking for numbers of replies. Preferably in the hundreds, so that I can get some interesting results out of it. But if it really starts to trickle, I'll post them then. I haven't received a single reply from any of the women on the list. C'mon, this is your chance to show prog rock isn't just a "guy" thing! Interesting note: I've been surprised by the answers to the last question (what instrument do you play?). I'll just say this: "Guitar" isn't number one. For those who missed the questions the first time, here they are: 1. Which DT album did you buy first, and why? 2. Which DT song is your favorite. 3. Which DT song is your least favorite. 4. How old are you? 5. What is your sex? 6. What instrument do you play (if at all)? Mike S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:06:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Lakatos To: email_address_removed Subject: NNINC Message-ID: There's really no Nine Inch Nails content in this message. (: Someone wrote (gosh, digest mode makes attributions pretty much impossible ... this got lost on the one I was replying to): > >Somehow I suspect anyone truly that miserable would have already killed > >himself. Not that I'm really pissed of here, but this isn't a very tasteful comment (not that people *HAVE* to be tasteful, damn don't let the thought police take over). There are some of us, however, who would have to climb a bit, occasionally, to rech Trent's level of euphoria. And hell, Fish, who is much the superior lyricist (IMO, okay), is almost Mr Happy Sunshine. And yet, though we may want to, throughout most of the day (as much as the average male is supposed to think about sex ... "Sex is Death" anyone?), for some reason we don't. "Carpe Diem" isn't strong enough to move everybody. It's not nice to be indirectly ridiculed by the happy people of the world (but then, no one said people have to be nice, and for sure I'm not going to). I'm going to ignore the more direct flames toward people like me I've been seeing on the list, because I can't do flame wars. -- If you can tolerate amateur poetry enough to do a SUCK/NOT SUCK poll, PLEASE check out http://grove.ufl.edu/~jeremy. (email_address_removed) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:09:03 PDT From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: worn out CDs Message-ID: > > I don't think you can wear out a CD. You may want to try cleaning the > laser or something. They sell cd player cleaning kits. My friend has one. > Also, your player may be old and starting to burn out. I am not an expert on > Cd players, but try putting your Awake Cd in another player and go to the > skipping part and see if it skips. you may be a bit surprised. CD composition as follows (taken from a post on the microscopy listserver from the Coordinator of the Disc Systems Dept. for Pioneer): - Partially printed label -- ---- Polymer cover --------- - Alminum reflection layer - -- Embossed pit structre --- - 1.2mm thick PC substrate - Only the embossed substrate is necessary. The tip for removing the cover and the alminum layer is not very elegant. 1 Stick an adhesive tape on the label side. 2 Remove it rapidly. If your CD is too stiff to remove the layers, try glue for plastics. Be aware that you can't listen to the music from the CD anymore. You have to choose one pity musician! <)> __________________ So you can't "wear" the CD out in the normal sense by playing it (erasing the data--- there is not contact being made on the data side anyway), but scratches in the protective plastic can prevent the laser from tracking the data underneath (or so I assume). Some players seem to have better tracking systems than others, but there is a PoNR (good movie btw) as far as the amount of damage goes. Zach ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:34:11 -0700 From: Bryan Bridges To: email_address_removed Subject: asdf Message-ID: Bryan A. Bridges - email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:18:44 -0400 From: James Peele To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1084 Message-ID: Comparing DT to NIN is not even apples and oranges... It's apples and traffic lights... I love both bands (sometimes one more than the other depending on the mood). Oh my God! I am so psyched about the King Crimson concert in less than two weeks!!!!!!!!! Jay Peele For info on INFERNO, E-mail: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 23:39:19 EDT From: Damon M. Fibraio To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: A little story Message-ID: Hey, Jody. Maybe that guy is a blind melon fan. Gee, sucks, doesn''t it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 23:55:39 EDT From: Damon M. Fibraio To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: I'm curious. why do a lot of people constantly bash synthesizers in rock music? IN a review of Rush's albums from 1982 through 1993, synthesizers have constantly gotten trashed. I am a synth player, and cannot understand. Guitars are great, don't get me wrong, but why trash an instrument that has such a wide variety of sounds and dynamics, from subtle pianos to ghowling synthesizer sounds that could probably rival guitars if tweaked enough. And that also sends me to this question, or actually a statement. Music doesn't have to be heavy to be good. Has anybody ever listened to Yes? They are not exactly heavy metal, but they are just as progressive as DT. I love 'em. Yeah, John Anderson's voice is high-pitched, but I don't care. The man can sing his ass off. But, I get the impresssion, (I could be dead wrong) that some people have a kind of heavy metal mentality that if it's not heavy, it sucks. People, that is sooooo far wrong. I'm not accusing anybody, but I got that idea from the guy who didn't quite get blown away by Shadow Gallery. Hey, it's his choice, and I understand his opinion, (at least he didn't say they sucked, he gave his reasons and they are well-founded.) Hell, I've even heard the phrase "if it's not progressive, it sucks." That's not true either. I like George Thorogood, and he's simplistic as hell. (What blues song is complex?) That's great. I love that stuff. It doesn't have to be hard, or progressive to be good. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:14:15 -0400 (EDT) From: JIMMY To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: NIN??? Message-ID: I don't remember subscribing to the NIN fanclub. Enough already. The comparison of NIN and DT should not even be thought about. Thank You! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:59:20 -0400 From: James Peele To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Musical diversity on the jam!!! (a good thing) Message-ID: Hi guys and gals, It's great to see so many NIN fans as well as fans of Echolyn, Fates Warning, Thought Industry, etc. on this list... My point: Seeing this type of versatility on this list really inspires me. My band INFERNO hopes to (we have not achieved this goal yet!) incorporate elements of everything we like (in extreme ways). Rush and DT are bands that soak up influences around them and let it flow into their own original sound. INFERNO seeks to do this as well, but in a more extreme way (as I said, we're not there yet...) Once again, it's great to see such musical diversity on the jam! Jay Peele For info on INFERNO, E-mail: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 00:16:53 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: I just had to say this the drums on Monument , especially the verse right after the solo is amazing...turn it on real quick and listen closely to all the stuff he's doing...damn. I'm a guitarist myself but after learning the guitarlines inside out(heh get it) anyway... i like digging into what the other instruments are doing. well have fun kids... Joe (SDLF is coming.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 01:19:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Baron Sengir To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1072 Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:49:00 -0700 > From: email_address_removed (James Garrett) > Subject: Moral Musings [Quote deleted] > How about this for something "intellectually stimulating:" > > There has been a thread going around that DT uses a lot of Christian > symbolism. However, they also use some very pagan symbolism also, the > reference to Cassandra for example. How does the justaposition of the Pagan > with the Christian make DT's music more powerful or does it detract from it? DT uses a LOT of different religious symbolism and literary allusions. In fact, according to some people, religious symbolism in songs are nothing more than literary allusions anyway. Someone told me a while back that "Lifting Shadows Off a Dream" was related to Wicca (or some other pagan religion). Is there a connection. If so, what is it? I'm a Christian so I know little about most pagan religions (except for perhaps Greek / Roman "mythology"). > I have a comment on the symbolism of the burning heart (I'm looking at the > Live at the Marquee CD). I liked the connection to the Trinity made by > several jammers. However, both the heart(wooden) and the barbed wire are man > made, suggesting artificiality, and implying that religions are man made and > that our current religious beliefs will be transformed(fire is a symbol of > transformation) into something we cannot yet imagine by the music. That's an interesting theory. I've been thinking about that sort of thing a lot. Though I doubt that the music will convert anyone over to atheism. ------- > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 01:13:54 -0400 (EDT) > From: The Digital Man > Subject: Who are we? > > Yeah, yeah, this has probably been done before, but I'm new here, so cut > me some slack. I just thought it would be interesting if we all posted a > little bit of biographical info about ourselves. You know, see who's out > there. So, here goes: > > I'm a 23-y-o male. I'm from Rockville Centre, LI, NY. I'm a Master's > Degree student at UVM in Computer Science. I've been playing bass for > about 8 years, and acoustic guitar for about 3. Some people will probably flame the hell out of you for starting another thread like the "top 5 albums" thing. However, I think it's a good idea. > Any other interesting facts we should include? Oh, yeah... Yeah. What are your top 5 favrotie albums besides Dream Theater? No...wait...stop....STOP....stop throwing Blind Melon CD's at me! :) Anyway, about me: I'm a 20-year-old male. I'm from Metairie, LA (a suburb of New Orleans). I am Psychology Major at Loyola University. I am NOT a musician. I'd like to be but I lack talent (and probably some motivation as well...and money. I can't forget money...). I run a local BBS with a Dream Theater / Queensryche / Fates Warning discussion forum (wait, I mentioned this already). I am also a Magic: TG addict like Mike Bahr. And my top 5 favorite non-DT albums are: Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:38:12 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Ktulu) To: email_address_removed Subject: Hey! At least MY scrotum doesn't smell like broccoli! Message-ID: Well, I figured that'd be a good attention getter! You (I forgot who) said you didn't want to start a survey with the "How I listen to DT" thing, but I'm gonna have to throw my two shiny pennies in with a slick around-the-back toss: I'm probably missing alot of DT's music. When I listen (since I'm a ytse-drummer) I automatically tune into the drums and all but ignore the high guitar and most of the keyboard parts. I don't do it on purpose. I wonder if it's possible to take in all of the aspects of DT music at the same time. Can you do it? Ben Laussade email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 13:15:00 +0900 From: Kaoru Kobayashi To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Japan Tour (setlist including) Message-ID: Hi, it's Kaoru from Japan. I returned Tokyo yesterday. Here is the tour date of Japan: 10/26 Osaka 10/28 Tokyo (NHK Hall - Sold out) 10/30 Tokyo (Shibuya Kokaido) Osaka Set List was as following (I don't know whether I remember rightly or not. When I find wrong, I'll post again...): Under a Glass Moon The Mirror Lie John Myung Solo Lifting Shadows off a Dream Cover Medley: The Rover (Led Zeppelin) Killers (Iron Maiden) Damage Inc. (Metallica) In the Flesh? (Pink Floyd) Heart of the Sunrise (Yes) Innocence Faded A Change of Seasons John Petrucci Solo Surrounded Derek Sherinian Solo Erotomania (including Mike's Solo) Voices The Silent Man (Electric) Pull Me Under EC: Wait for Sleep (Acoustic) Perfect Strangers It was really impressed show. I think it was near the best among DT shows I've ever seen (I saw DT 12 times before Osaka). Total sound balance was great, and James' voice was awesome! They played so expressively than ever. Two of over- 20-minute shows? Great! ;) ...Recording the show? My friend did and she will copy it for me hopefully... Same on Tokyo shows... Derek would like the tape that taped by audience, it's interesting. I'm a little tired so I don't go to music fair today. Bye for now, if you have question on Japan shows, post Ytsejam. :) ** Desperate to fall, behind the great wall, that separates us all.. ** ** Kaoru Kobayashi(From Japan)<10/28 12:47>GCH06672@niftyserve.or.jp ** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT and NIN Message-ID: > nin is more honest (blah blah blah) Sorry, I find this a little hard to swallow. Trent Reznor's life wasn't especially difficult and lord knows he's got no worries now. Any angst he injects into nin's stuff now is MUCH more artificial-sounding than DT's utopian, uplifting thoughts. > "Seasons change, and so do I..." DT > > But you can't change. Say what? People change themselves, their lives and their views all the time. It's c00l to be maudlin and down on everything nowadays -- it plays well for the teenagers who will buy your CDs -- but life isn't always dark and foreboding, and sometimes people CAN change their lives for the better, all by themselves. This guy needs to read ATLAS SHRUGGED, the most dangerous publication of the twentieth century. (John Myung did. :)) -- I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye.... I would raise a shelter to the sky... And here beneath this star tonight I lie.... ------ Dream Theater, "Surrounded" Paul C., email_address_removed ----- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1086 **************************