YTSEJAM Digest 1069 Today's Topics: 1) BILL CLINTON by email_address_removed 2) COMedy writers? by email_address_removed 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1067 by Philip Jason 4) WARNING!! Actual DT Content ! (plus some other) by Greg Picklesimer 5) Re: dt & drugs by "Jonathan Byrne" 6) John and Rena's twins by Jeff Chew 7) Jim Pitulski has left DT's mgmt by email_address_removed 8) I should check my mail more often! by email_address_removed.ac.uk (E. Ballinger) 9) Ronnie Scott Show by email_address_removed 10) Rolling along by "Dan R. Licon" 11) BM by email_address_removed (John Hough) 12) ACOS Poll by email_address_removed (John Hough) 13) Rust in Pieces by Randall Braun 14) by donews!SLUVCA.SLU.EDU!HAPPE 15) AL Balkewicz by Pat Daugherty 16) big mistake by Matthew Sirois 17) Some YTSE-jam music reviews, please by Fredrik Lidskog 18) Billboard....and it has DT!!! by Chris Crowder 19) HELP!!! by The Digital Man 20) marillion by email_address_removed (Aaron Rom) 21) Malmsteen by email_address_removed 22) ACoS Review by "Andrew S. Moore" 23) Dream Theater, Schmream Schmeater.. by email_address_removed (godfather) 24) Baffled by Bafu by email_address_removed 25) NWoBHM (was most influential albums from 1062) by Ken Bibb ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:30:52 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: BILL CLINTON Message-ID: Hey.. Well...all this talk about Blind Melon...that the "karma" and all got em...but..anyway...did ya hear the news?? Bill Clinton said that DT was the most untalented band in the world? And that they(DT) are just a bunch of neo-monks. I couldnt believe my ears. WHATEVER WE do...we must not talk bad against him...(gasp).......something bad might happen. Yes...this is just a BAD JOKE.....had to get it out of my system. see ya http://www.dreamt.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:30:31 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: COMedy writers? Message-ID: Is anyone out there funny? Do you like to write scripts? for example: Adam Sandler (kinda stuff)? If so...write me. I would like to chat with you. Some friends and I are putting some stuff together..kinda like "jerky boys" or Adam Sandler... Spoofs on comercials..etc... write me: email_address_removed see ya todd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:08:42 -0400 From: Philip Jason To: email_address_removed, Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1067 Message-ID: >well so mr. hoon has left us. unfortunate. i was never a fan of theirs, so it >doesn't bother me too much (neither did the deaths of kurt or jerry)., but i >figure there are some people really messed up by this, so give them solace. Solace? Because a man who they didn't really know, who didn't know them, who didn't give a shit about them as a person, only as a member of the group of fans, died? If you have a hard time dealing with the death of one of the members of a band you really like than your priorities are screwed. Sure you can feel a little sad, but it should in no way have an effect on your life. I think people like that need to get a life. Wah wah wah. Kurt Cobain died. Wah wah wah, Jerry Garcia died. Wah wah wah, that putz from Blind Melon died. So what? These same people don't give a damn when people a great deal more important than these individuals die. The collective lot of them aren't worth very much to society. True they make music, but if they were never hear there would be someone else making music. Damn, I can't stand people who grow more attached to celebrities that they don't know personally than those that really count. It is disgusting! Phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:18:45 MDT From: Greg Picklesimer To: email_address_removed Subject: WARNING!! Actual DT Content ! (plus some other) Message-ID: Jammers, I picked up some nice DT stuff this weekend and thought I'd let you in on their existance. The first item was a concert video "Live In Japan" recorded 1/25/95 during the Awake tour. A few casual moments with the band at the beginning of the tape as they are presented with platinum albums for Awake, then a killer show. All in all, about 2 hours worth. There was no markings on the tape whatsoever and the credits at the end were in Japanese. The shop where I bought this also had 2 "Italian imports" ;). The first was titled "Live Images" and was all the songs from I&W plus A Fortune in Lies and was a single disc. A second 2disc boot was from the same show as the the video and I can't remember the name of this disc. They were priced at $30 and $60, and I couldn't afford them, since I also got the Silent Man and Lie singles and Carved in Stone by Shadow Gallery and Vemod by Anekdoten. I also spotted the Lie single at a new Best Buy here in town this weekend. Anyway, the store with the DT boots is Life By Design, 129 Wahsatch Ave, Colo Spgs Co 80903 (719)475-0937 in case anyone is interested. I'm just a customer and have no other connection to these folks, but I'm impressed with their selection of Prog and Metal. Other thoughts on recent Jams: We've done this 5 favorite/influential/whatever threads to death. How about replacing these kinds of threads with a now playing type one-liner. That way we can still see what everyone else is into, but not fill up mailboxes. I don't object to non-DT content, but 6 jams a day puts me way behind. To those asking about King Crimson, I saw them earlier this year at the Warfield in SF and have 2nd row tickets for this Sundays show in Colorado Springs. These guys will always put on an excellent show and should not be missed if they are anywhere in your area. Some of the tunes, particularly those written by Belew, are more pop influenced, but they are all master musicians and Robert Fripp can shred with the best of them, though he seems to be soloing less with this band. GO SEE THEM! NOW PLAYING: Carved In Stone by SHadow Gallery ------------------------------------------------------------------ Greg Picklesimer (email_address_removed) Symbios Logic Inc Fax: (719)573-3824 1635 Aeroplaza Dr. Colorado Springs CO 80916 Phone:(719)573-3497 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:09:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Byrne" To: "YtseJam" Subject: Re: dt & drugs Message-ID: What happened with Steve Morse? Someone mentioned a drug incident? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The clash of religions, and the loaded prayers Jonathan Byrne Information the face of starvation and the West Virginia University State of the nation email_address_removed The sense that it's useless, and the fear to try Not beliving the leaders, the media that feeds us Living with the big lie You get used to it." -Marillion, "Living With the Big Lie," Steve Hogarth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Chew To: email_address_removed Subject: John and Rena's twins Message-ID: Dear Jammers, Hey there! I've been reading on the jam that the twins were born. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They weren't born yet, they are due in December. So, stop spreading rumors. Okay, on with the jam! Yours, Jeff =) <<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>> "You are sunlight and I, moon Jeff Chew is: joined by the gods of fortune email_address_removed midnight and high noon http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309 sharing the sky we have been blessed, you and I" <--- Kim from Miss Saigon <<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:44:48 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Jim Pitulski has left DT's mgmt Message-ID: Hi everyone, I haven't seen this posted yet and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but... I just got some definitive confirmation on a rumor I first heard last week. (No, not the "Kevin Moore has cancer" thing! :) Jim Pitulski, one of DT's managers (and also one of the nicest human beings on this planet, IMO), has left DT's management company, Round Table Entertainment. I'm not sure exactly what this split means for the band at this point, but DT will definitely be carrying on with their US dates & tour of Japan as scheduled. Apparently, the parting of ways was amicable, DT is staying with RT, and Jim plans to continue with his career separately. (In case some of you didn't know, Jim started RT with Rob Shore originally just to manage DT.) I'll post if I hear anything new... I'm sure going to miss him. :( Take care everyone, Jennifer Vicky Pratt Keating tour dates: Oct. 25 - Kendall Cafe (9pm) - Boston, MA Oct. 27 - Green River Cafe (9pm) - Greenfield, MA Oct. 28 - Burlington Coffeehouse - Burlington, VT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 18:17:26 +0000 From: email_address_removed.ac.uk (E. Ballinger) To: email_address_removed Subject: I should check my mail more often! Message-ID: Hi there, I'm currently wading my way through 20 jam's. 8^< I was only away from the uni for 5 days! I've lost count of the number of favourite 5 bands etc postings that I've skipped through. I'm going to the Satch gig at the SECC in Glasgow on 14th Dec. Do any jammers who are going want to meet up? In 'JAM1066 Matt P wrote: > This is related to the "Founditsa caudupwit maaaaay" or however >you spell it, thread. During the live versions of "TTT" on the part >where James sings "... it's time to pick up the pieces go back to >square one", he sings "square one" different everytime. I've heard >"squaaa waaa" "sque waaaan" and one version I can't even spell. >I have to laugh every time i hear a new pronuciation. hehehe. James is so funny when he does that. You can just imagine him screwing up his face and shaking his head as he says squuaaeeuuaaee waaaan ! 8^> In 'JAM1067 Trey Allen wrote: >I was re-reading some of my DT text files and found this...thought it was >funny. Taken from some IRC thing. What IRC thing??? I'm still dying to find a DT IRC site. Anyway, i've finished trawling through those 20-odd Jam's so I'm going. See ya, Edd Ballinger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:01:01 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Ronnie Scott Show Message-ID: Does anyone own any of the "bonus" tracks from this show? I've looked everywhere and no one seems to know what I'm talking about. I've heard these tracks consist of Metallica's Damage Inc. and Rush's Tears. Are there any others? If you do have these please tell me where I can get them, or dub them. I posted my list of imports earlier this morning. So maybe we can work something out. 5-favorite non-DT bands.....1)Metallica 2)Pantera 3)Iron Maiden 4)Rush 5)Megadeath ....and if Steve Vai, Satriani, or Stevie Ray Vaughn counted then the list would be very different. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan R. Licon" To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Rolling along Message-ID: It seems that this list just keeps rolling along. There is always a thread for someone, or everyone, to jump onto. I just read through 7 posts left over the weekend. I didn't realize that there were so many of us out there. I loved BM's first album, but I think the second lacked the energy. I don't agree with drugs, or what they stand for, but I'm not about to tell someone how to live their life. I just had to put something about BM, everybody else is doing it why can't I? STILL WAITING FOR ACOUSTIC DREAMS!!!!!! "Holyman you don't understand, the cuts on me they run much deeper." -R.I.P S.HOON /------------------------------------/ / Dan Licon- email_address_removed / /************************************/ / / / "Death makes angels of us all, and / / gives us wings where we once had / / shoulders smooth as raven's claws" / / -Jim Morrison / / / /------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:48:45 -0700 From: email_address_removed (John Hough) To: email_address_removed Subject: BM Message-ID: On 10-23-95 Antii Myryhenen or something like that wrote: >Well, the Head Melon died. Maybe we laid a terrible ytsejam curse upon him? >If that was the case, who should we start picking on next? Who do we want >dead in week or two? I don't know. Anyways, since lately so many people >have expressed their anger towards Blind Melon, I was wondering if anyone >by any chance wrote "DIE BLIND MELON" or something like that.. If anyone >remembers doing that, well... What can I say? Spooky. Man you are a sick motherfucker. Have a little respect. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ John Hough email_address_removed "Until I saw the desire for revenge, my heart never once went astray" "As long as I have to die in the attempt, then there is no reason" "To Live Forever" ---- Dream Theater ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:48:47 -0700 From: email_address_removed (John Hough) To: email_address_removed Subject: ACOS Poll Message-ID: I had a few jams skip #'s on me and I never saw if my results for the ACOS poll I did got posted? I sent them to the jam about a week ago. Could someone let me know if they got posted? Thanks all ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ John Hough email_address_removed "Until I saw the desire for revenge, my heart never once went astray" "As long as I have to die in the attempt, then there is no reason" "To Live Forever" ---- Dream Theater ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:46:00 PDT From: Randall Braun To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: Rust in Pieces Message-ID: Blind Melon is now a DEAD issue. I think we have all been OVERDOSED and its time for withdrawal. Let the issue Rust in Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 12:23 PDT From: donews!SLUVCA.SLU.EDU!HAPPE Message-ID: ****** MESSAGE DAMAGED IN TRANSIT ****** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Subject: AL Balkewicz Message-ID: I see that Al Balkewicz (aka IMHO Jeremy Haynes II) has returned. My question is where are my 3 videos that are owed to me since February. Why am i posting this to the jam, you ask? The reason is that I am bitter and I do not want anyone else to be ripped off by this guy. I sent the tapes on my end to him within a week of when we made the deal. He of course had said at the time, I will get them out within a week as well. Then there was the constant excuses for not getting the tapes out. this went on for quite awhile until there was no response to my emails. Now here we are over 8 months later and I do not have my tapes. He has returned to the jam. I want my tapes. I sincerely doubt I will ever see the tapes that are owed me. I am sure that he will give many excuses why he could not get the tapes to me. Dont believe any of them. It only takes a couple of hours to dub a video cassette. Actually only a couple of minutes. 1. you put a tape in each vcr. 2. push play on the source and record on the destination. 3. come back 2 hours later and throw the tape into the mail. HOW HARD ISA THAT? I am a busy person but I got the tapes out immediately. Why did he say "I will get them out this weekend" if he knew he was full of it? Because he is a ripoff. My warning to all is do not trade with Al Balkewicz. The reason I posted this was because I saw that he was back on the jam and I do not want anyone else to become disgruntled as I have with trading with people on the net. I do believe that most people on the net who trade are very honest and do trade well but Al and Jeremy Haynes are excuse ridden ripoffs. Well, now that I have vented. I still do not feel better. disgruntled trader **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed GO REDSKINS! **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** GO CAPITALS!!!! "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** **** Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons -Buy it now!! **** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:30:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Sirois To: email_address_removed Subject: big mistake Message-ID: I'm sorry, but i made a very large error in my last post. please note: Steve Morse wasn't involved with any kind of drugs. I *meant* to write Steve Walsh. I don't know, I guess the Kansas connection got me mixed up, I confuse the two often. I'm very sorry, it was an honest mistake. again: Steve Morse was not what I meant to write. It was a mistake. I wasn't refering to any kind of drug abuse on his part. I made a mistake. Again, I'm sorry. I hope this doesn't lead to an endless "what's this with Steve Morse?" posts. I feel like an ass here. One last time: it wasn't Steve Morse I meant to write, it was Steve Walsh. I'll post this again later just to make sure everyone catches it. I don't want to attach any kind of drug stigma to Morse's name. He's a great musician (not that Walsh isn't) and I respect him to death (Walsh too). Please forgive me. the revolution has gone wrong. sorry. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:41:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Fredrik Lidskog To: email_address_removed Subject: Some YTSE-jam music reviews, please Message-ID: Okay, At the music store down the street I found for the first time When Dream and Day Unite and the bootleg "DT Live at the Marquee". Does anyone out there have any opinions they could share with me about these two albums? I can't dig up a FAQ for this group, so I'm sorry if this is basic information for everyone else. What I want to know is, is WD&DU more like I&W or Awake? I highly prefer Awake due to its darker and heavier sound, and would like to know what WD&DU is like before I buy it. Also, I saw Fates Warning's latest CD at the store (I've heard them talked about alot on the YTSE-Jam) and I was curious what kind of music they play and who they sound like, for if they're anything like DT, I'm sure I'd like the album. While I'm babbling, my top 10 CD's I've been playing lately: 1)ACoS 2)Extreme-Waiting for the Punchline 3)24-7 Spyz-Temporarily Disconnected 4)Shootyz Groove-Jammin' in a Vicious Environment 5)Awake 6)Extreme-III Sides to Every Story 7)Flesh-Flesh 8)Living Colour-Biscuits 9) 24-7 Spyz-Strength in Numbers 10)Inside Out-No Spiritual Surrender Thanks for any info, Fred "On my shoulders....It's the weight of the world." --Flesh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:28:13 CDT From: Chris Crowder To: email_address_removed Subject: Billboard....and it has DT!!! Message-ID: I went home from college this weekend, and decided to go to Tower Records and Media Play on Saturday. In Media Play, I was fortunate enough to find the ONLY copies of Live at the Marquee and the LIE single that they had!!! I LOVE the LIE single!!! To Live Forever is teriffic, but I wish that it contained the complete solo, like on Live in Tokyo. Then, I decided to go to Tower, and boy was I unimpressed! All of the DT that they had was ACoS, Awake, and I&W. But, while browsing around Tower, I noticed the Billboard Top 200 list. To my amazement, DT was at 118! But even more amazing, it peaked last week at #58! I know it's not that high, but I didn't even expect to see it on the list...ever! You know what that means? It means that at least SOME people are beginning to see how good DT is, and that it is worth buying (unlike that screaming, lackluster, no-talent, BS that is called "popular"!!! Way to go DT!!! Well, that's my little speech for the day. See you all later, Chris Crowder (otherwise known as "no-sig.") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man To: Ytse Jam Subject: HELP!!! Message-ID: Attention keyboard players: I need big help!!! I'm a righty 5-string bassist. I also play acoustic guitar (albeit not extremely well). Furthermore, I'm a comp sci student, so I'm constantly typing. You'd figure I have pretty strong hands, right? Wrong! I've been working on this song that I'm writing. I got the idea, tried playing it on guitar, and decided that I'm not good enough on gtr yet to switch chords fast enough. So, I'm doing most of the writing/arranging on the piano now. I guess I should let you know that I haven't played a piano in years. Anyway, the more I work, the bigger the song gets. The bigger the song gets, the more I screw up. The more I try, the more my left hand hurts. Now I'm working with 3- and 4-finger octave-sized chords with the left hand (they sound cool as shit!), while trying to play chords and a melody with the right. The right hand is doing ok, but my left is missing keys, flubbing notes, and cramping up. So: 1) Am I doing something wrong? Hand position, sitting position, whatever? 2) What can I do to strengthen my left hand? It's been quite humbling for me. I can play lots of fast stuff on the bass, so I never expected to have left-hand problems. HELP! Thanks in advance, -Chris "On the day I die, thank God my soul will be released" - Blind Melon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:36:53 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Aaron Rom) To: email_address_removed Subject: marillion Message-ID: Are there any Marillion fans on the Ytsejam? I saw a few people list them as a fave, but I haven't seen much on the band. Given their relationship with DT, you know that Hogarth and Rothery performed at the Ronnie Scott's gig, I think so some DT fans would be interested in hearing about Marillion. I would like to kn ow if there are any Jammers who share an interest in Marillion, since they are a great band, and they write incredibly strong material. Any responses would be cool. Let's talk about what album is your favorite and why, and why can't they seem to find success in America. Aaron Rom email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:14:11 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Malmsteen Message-ID: Many digests ago, there was a reference to the Guitarist of the Year award given out by some Japanese magazine, and that the 1st place award was given based soley on picking speed. Then in YJ 1012 Erik Wolfe said Malmsteen produced "Useless shred." I have had it! Malmsteen is incredible, really. I hope most of you have heard him. I think his guitar solos are very well thought out. As for him being fast...nobody can say he isn't. However, I'm sure he could play faster if he just wanted to shred. The following is quoted from Guitar World, and reprinted on his "Collection" CD: "The first thing one notices about his solos, aside from the pronounced classical infulence, is Yngwie's wickedly fast technique. 'It's not playing fast in itself that appeals to me,' he says. 'Speed can be very dramatic if done in addition to playing slow--it's a great contrast. It's also important to me that what I play fast will also sound good if the same notes are played at a slower speed. The reason I play a lot of fast licks is because that's what a lot of people want to hear, to a certain extent. 'But I don't consider myself a very fast player. I'm sure other guitarists can play faster. What I do that a lot of other guys don't do is I don't play things that are rubbish. I play classical runs, arpeggios and broken chords that if played at a slower speed would sound very nice as well. But if it's done very fast and very clean, but not necessarily as fast as someone else, it'll appear much faster because it actually makes more sense.'" I had responede to the 1st place "slam" earlier, but due to some miscommunication (Probably AOL's fault) it either never made it to YJ, or I missed the Digest it was in. Malmsteen is awesome. If you don't appreciate him his music, fine, but don't slam his playing ability, or classical-based solos. Bryan Adams email_address_removed P.S. Don't get me wrong...Petrucci is very very good. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:46:42 BST From: "Andrew S. Moore" To: email_address_removed Subject: ACoS Review Message-ID: Hi Jammers, This is a review of A Change Of Seasons which appears in the new issue (November 1995) of Metal Hammer here in the UK: --------------------------------------------------------------- So the Internet finds a new use: Recorded in response to requests from computer techno-crazy fans, this mini-album's title track twists and turns through 23 minutes of complex musical imagery. A melting pot of time-changes and varying moods, 'Seasons' is by turns gentle, dramatic and even fearsome; an epic adventure that will delight devotees of the band. And those live tracks? As someone who missed the show, hearing a remarkably faithful rendition of Deep Purple's 'Perfect Strangers' in its entirety, followed by brief morsels of various classic songs, is quite odd. And although each cover holds a trace of the original artists (particularly Pink Floyd's 'In The Flesh'), the Dreamer's precise musical personalities are so strong that every new composition is impregnated with a level of performance perfection that all but eradicates any hint of a live atmosphere. No sweat, no fire - a definate case of 'Ya shoulda been there'. 'Seasons is a must for Dream Theater fans, but that is really the extent of its commercial appeal. Lyn Guy Rating: ***1/2 -------------------------------------------------------- Andy. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew S. Moore Small Systems Support Assistant Anglia Polytechnic University, Cambridge, UK. email_address_removed.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- '"Sieze the day", I heard him say, Life will not always be this way, Look around, hear the sounds, Cherish your life while you're still around' - Dream Theater, A Change Of Seasons, Part III: Carpe Diem ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: email_address_removed (godfather) To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater, Schmream Schmeater.. Message-ID: Trey Allen said--- Also along those lines...I think that it is soooo cool that all the computer science majors or programmers use the "stab" technique to type. Not the traditional "asdf" right hand, "jkl;" left hand crap. Trey Allen stopped--- I can't stand going into typing class and being forced to do the 'asdf' right hand, 'jkl;' left hand method. I can't see the keys with my arms crossed like that, yet they insist that's how it be done. The beginning of Innocence Faded sounds an awful lot like some Melrose Place- or 90210-type music. Every time that song comes on I just feel like doing a commercial for one of those shows... heh Ryan Whitaker email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:14:54 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Baffled by Bafu Message-ID: Steve, What's up?!?!? Man, I thought you were pretty cool, what with your "shredder-knowledge" equalling mine. Why now do you go and do something like this "stereotypes and shredders" thing you posted? I understand EVERY point you made, as I DO read the articles I reply to (as does Margaret, I assure you) and I understand the need to feel like you are defending yourself... but this is at LEAST a BIT overboard. From what I read, your original statement about women and guitars was not really insulting (but then, I'm a man.... I might not have noticed.) but I can see where one would find sexist tones in it. In MY OPINION, gender has VERY little to do with being "Savage" OR with playing guitar. I think society dictates that, and no matter how unique or "non-conformist" we think we are, society has considerably helped mold us into the people we are. Men more savage than women (yeah, Steve, regardless of whether or not you actually said it in THOSE exact words, you DEFINATELY implied it)? I could introduce you to some women that might make you look gentle. In music? Hmmmm, Steve. Do you really consider Dream Theater to be savage? More so than L7 or Hole? I don't know.... they are much more talented, but that usually leads to precision... not savagry. So obviosly gender doesn't play a great role in how savage a musician is. The fact is, you DID broadcast a message to everyone, regardless of whether or not we can "Know what you were thinking." Now, regarding making something a gender issue... you were full of shit big time there (pardon the expression... I'm not angry, it's just my vernacular). If you would like to go back and read the articles you two have written, it's YOU that stresses the gender issue. You went way overboard in that one too. She thang? No man, I'm SURE she was not harpin' on you for that one. Don't put words into people's mouths. Just because a woman has to fight for the status she achieves in the music industry, doesn't mean she's a feminazi (I know, nowhere in your statements do you call anyone feminazi... I just like saying it. C'mon everyone, say it with me - FEMINAZI :) or a big follower of women's music, as you said it. Wouldn't you hate it if everyone threw you into a class of people just because you happen to like what you do? Bottom line is, sometimes sarcasm can be a fun thing (asshole)... but sometimes it's not taken the way it was meant. That's no one's fault - it's a communication barrier. I didn't see what she said in response to your post as any more derogatory than what you originally posted. Yeah, she got steamed. You work with sarcasm, be prepared for that. Your response to hers was uncalled for. Maybe you can dish it but you can't take it. I don't know.... I don't want to say that about you. You seem like a cool person. You just went overboard here, trying to make her look bad and be a your witty sarcastic self again. There's a fine line between being sarcastic....and being a dick. If you think there's any more debate to be done, with her OR with me, do it on E Mail. I think we are boring all the jammers. Don't take this as a flame. I'm just saying what's on my mind, same as you - same as Margaret. - Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- Can ANYONE from AOL tell me how to avoid this blank zone that is sure to follow my post???????? Chris "K" Ptacek email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:37:25 -0700 From: Ken Bibb To: email_address_removed Subject: NWoBHM (was most influential albums from 1062) Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:55:48 +0000 > From: email_address_removed > To: email_address_removed > Subject: most influential albums > Message-ID: > [deleted] > I'm not terribly knowledgeable about the beginnings of certain types > of music. But there must be some band that really started the heavy > metal movement in the 80's that should be considered. Although metal > existed in the 70's, it seemed to go through a resurrection in the > 80's that created a lot of influences on today's bands. I do not > know if Metallica gets the credit or some other band. Someone more > knowledgeable should step in here ... Definitely *NOT* Metallica. There was a thing that happened in the early 80's called the New Wave of British Heavy Metal (often abbreviated as NWOBHM). Kerrang! Magazine was there documenting the happenings of the day and although I wasn't in Britain at that time, I was following along in Kerrang!. Some of the early bands that were popular were Tygers of Pan Tang, Def Leppard, Iron Maiden (Dianno), Whitesnake, Rainbow, Scorpions, Saxon, Gillan, Praying Mantis, Ozzy, and a dozen or so others. There were also a number of older 70's bands that were still active like Judas Priest, Uriah Heep, Black Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, and Queen. And there were some other bands that were just plain cool like Marillion, Pallas, Twelfth Night, and Demon :) After the NWOBHM came the speed metal craze of Metallica, Venom, et al. So Metallica's out of the running for "the" biggest influence. Looking at the above list, my guess is that Deep Purple was (indirectly) the biggest influence... -- Ken Bibb "Through the fire backwards email_address_removed Again and Again email_address_removed Return to base." ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1069 **************************