YTSEJAM Digest 1039 Today's Topics: 1) DT Bootleg list by 95fa467 2) re: Various sellouts by "cam (c.s.) wilson" 3) THANKS plus new question by email_address_removed 4) a fortuitous trip by "'Door Prize' R. Ananda" 5) Favorite other bands... by Andy Sprague 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1036 by Jeff Chew 7) Re: Mike Bahr's Post by email_address_removed (Adam H. Marshall) 8) Re: Portnoy's LaT Drum solo... by email_address_removed (Adam H. Marshall) 9) NDTC... by email_address_removed 10) DT and related by Damon M. Fibraio 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1037 by email_address_removed 12) Perfect Strangers "Live"? by "james (j.) wolf" 13) Fave guitarists by The Digital Man 14) re: 5 favorite non-DT bands by "cam (c.s.) wilson" 15) help by Chris Crowder 16) Re: Top 5 by Erik Wolfe 17) Silent Man Single by Chris Crowder 18) 5 fav. Non-DT bands by email_address_removed (Jamie Burks) 19) ACOS, Kevin Moore by Tor Houghton (SysAdmin) 20) Re: sheesh... (NDTC) by email_address_removed 21) Whaa? by email_address_removed 22) BM bashing DT article by email_address_removed (Mathew W. Yee) 23) by Ross Specter 24) Arrogant little pieces of $#&*! by elliot h kim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: 95fa467 To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: DT Bootleg list Message-ID: Hello everyone, Just thought that I would see if anyone would be interested in a complete (or as nearly complete as possible) list of bootlegs. I am in the process of devloping a thorough list to include reviews, complete track listings, etc. of all the bootlegs. If you would like to contribute, please send info to me privately. Some points to include are: 1. Venue 2. Track listings 3. Date of recording 4. Type of recording (i.e. audience, soundboard) And of course your own review of the discs. Here are the boots that I know of(if you can add anything to this list, please do so): 1. CONSCIOUSLY UNREAL 2. LIVE IN LONG ISLAND PT.1 & 2 3. SKYWAY OF NIGHTMARES 4. HOME SWEET HOME 5. CLASSIC LIVE 6. SUBCONSCIOUS 7. LORDS OF SOUND 8. DANCE OF ETERNITY 9. DREAM OUT LOUD 10. DREAM IN PROGRESS 11. WAKE UP 12. A KICK INTO A DREAM 13. ACOUSTIC DREAMS 14. INSTRUMENTAL I & II 15. DREAM THEATER VOL. 1 & 2 16. TRAGEDY 17. COMEDY 18. LOST IN THE SKY 19. MAJESTIC HARMONIES 20. MIND CONTROL 21. MILAN 93 I hope to hear from you bootleg collectors soon, as I am anxious to get this project underway. Once I have the finished product, I will post it for all of you to read on the JAM. Anxiosly awaiting the arrival of AD. -DT fanatic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:26:00 -0400 From: "cam (c.s.) wilson" To: email_address_removed Subject: re: Various sellouts Message-ID: <"10326 Mon Oct 16 15:23:28 1995"@bnr.ca> >Countdown to Extinction may have been a sellout, but it was not because of >anything Metallica did. Both CtE and the black album came out in 1992, >Metallica's in mid-August, not sure about the other. to be honest, i think Countdown To Extinction was a damn fine album. and i think it rules over Metallica's black album. i don't know, it seems CtE was less of a departure for 'deth than the black album was for 'tallica. i like the rawer, gritter guitar sound and down and dirty riffing and soloing in the tunes on CtE, whereas metallica really went from the crunchy metal sound on previous efforts to a pretty glossy production on the black album. IMO, of course. but i went thru my phases of liking both cds at one time; now i'm not so much into metallica, but i think CtE was cool. i never bothered with 'deth's latest - i heard only one song and it didnt turn me on, plus the opinions i got from some of my friends (whose opinions i respect and share) were less than shining. "selling out"? i don't think in terms of selling out or commercial; i think more in terms of what i like. gee, what a concept, eh? i guess few people can do this and just leave it at that, instead of blaming the band for everything. hey, always be prepared to leave a band behind if they start creating music that doesn't appeal to you. this is no love relationship where you blame the other for what went wrong. these are musicians who are following their dreams and creating music they like. just live with it and continue to enjoy the music they did which you _do_ like. nuff said... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 15:48:55 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: THANKS plus new question Message-ID: Thank you for all of your feedback about Cassandra. Sorry that I sited the wrong song, "The Mirror" instead of "Voices". A keyboard player friend of mine is interested in charted DT music. Is any available? Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:04:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "'Door Prize' R. Ananda" To: email_address_removed Subject: a fortuitous trip Message-ID: I was riding back to Richland from Seattle to see my family last week, when I saw this guy who went to my high school and lived on my floor in the dorms a couple of years ago. Anyway, we got to talking and it turns out he has recently taken up the guitar and is learning to play butt rock (you know, three chords 1-3-5, etc). I knew from high school that he was a huge Rush cretin like me so I brought up Dream Theater. "Who the fu?k are they?" asks Kevin "Well, they're demonically skilled and they manage to write solid songs. This CD in my player just came out and it's got a 23 minute song on it. "Whoa." "Do you want to hear it?" "Lay it on me, bub." That freak used up all my battery power listening to ACoS, Awake, and I&W. Well, making converts is, at the very least, worth its weight in batteries. Bafu Vai -- did you get my mail about your Seattle ytsejammers dinner date idea? To whoever was asking, my other 5 fav bands are: Rush, Yes (before screwball Rabin), King Crimson, Frank Zappa, and Genesis. Since others are giving honorable mentions, here are mine: Bartok, Stravinsky, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, Miles Davis, Weather Report, Kansas, Dixie Dregs, John Coltrane, Dave Holland Quartet, ELP, Chopin, Beethoven, Mahler, etc etc -Rahul Ananda email_address_removed "Mediocrity thrives whilst Excellence struggles to survive." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:34:25 +0059 (EDT) From: Andy Sprague To: email_address_removed Subject: Favorite other bands... Message-ID: Besides Dream Theater... Here is my 5 Favorite bands in order ( list subject to change daily!): #1(without a doubt)...MARILLION! #2 Fates Warning #3 NIN #4 Queensryche #5 Shadow Gallery Close runner ups ( mood dependant)... Sting, P.Gabriel, Clannad, Arena, Enchant, Fish, Jethro Tull, Kansas. So... anyone with similar tastes? Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:43:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Chew To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1036 Message-ID: Dear jammers, Here are my top five non-DT fav people to listen to:: 1.) Lea Salonga 2.) Anything from Claude-Michel Schonberg 3.) Kenny G 4.) Beatles 5.) Queensryche Yours, Jeff =) <<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>> "You are sunlight and I, moon Jeff Chew is: joined by the gods of fortune email_address_removed midnight and high noon (212) 853-6952 sharing the sky we have been blessed, you and I" <--- Kim from Miss Saigon <<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:15:50 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Adam H. Marshall) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Mike Bahr's Post Message-ID: I just gotta say: Mike Bahr... what a guy! Even with multiple CD projects and what sounds like a pretty busy schedule, he still finds time to make this awesome post. Keep up the great work! > The moral of the story? Don't be an ass. I love it! What a great story. See y'all later. Anxiously awaiting AD which has to be sent by my mom from home to school. Sigh. Adam ________________________________ Adam H. Marshall email_address_removed ________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:49:28 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Adam H. Marshall) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Portnoy's LaT Drum solo... Message-ID: Hey all, a la "Dr. Teeth": >Ya know, I was watching Live At Tokyo today and I just HAVE to ask this... > >When Portnoy goes into his oh, 8 minute drum solo, half way through, he gives >this signal to Petrucci as to say "Let's do it now!". Then Petrucci and >Portnoy echo each other in some sort of weird Death Metal chant or something. >It's as if they expect us to recognize it or something! Well, me not being an >afficianado of weird Death Metal chants, am asking you, The Jam what you think >it is that they're playing. I've heard that sometimes that MP sometimes puts >some Iron Maiden or Pantera into his solos (NOT that I'm suggesting that they >are death metal bands!!!), so is this the case, or is it some other band? > >Please let me know. Let us all know, because for God's sake, the fate of the >world depends on it!!! > It's Pantera. "By Demons Be Driven" I can't remember the album name right now, but I know it's the one with "Walk" on it. I'm sure some other 'jammer can help me out. Later, Adam ________________________________ Adam H. Marshall email_address_removed ________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:05:27 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: NDTC... Message-ID: hate to clutter up the Jam like this, but you'll just hafta live with it.... Brian Ross-if you are reading this, email me direct....i seem to have lost your address..... while I'm at it (and since it seems to be going around), here are my fave non-DT bands in no particular order: Fates Warning Pantera Overkill Anacrusis The Cranberries (no flames please) it's just a shame that these bands won't all fit in the CD changer with all my DT discs.....guess i need to get one of those 100 disc changers..... Adam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 17:08:22 EDT From: Damon M. Fibraio To: email_address_removed Subject: DT and related Message-ID: All right, maybe somebody can answer this question for me. when I joined the Jam, the welcome message says that we discuss Dream theater and related topics. This being quite ambiguous, I must ask. what do we mean by related topics? All forms of prog rock? What, what, what? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:18:15 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1037 Message-ID: Someone put up this list of great guitarists: >Alex Lifeson >Eric Johnson >Eddie Van Halen >John Petrucci >Chris Duarte >Steve Howe > If you can think of anyone else that I should check out, >please let >me know. Always interested in new music. I heartily concur with this list (except Duarte, whom I've never heard). To it I would add: Steve Morse (really oughta check this guy out if you haven't) Alex Degrassi (new age/jazz/country/blues/incredible solo acoustic stuff) Brian Mays Nuno Bettencourt (from Extreme) Larry Coryell - This guy is stupendous live. Plays some serious jazz/classical mind-blowing stuff. When I saw him live he played (on acoustic through amps) Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue. With a very slow and deep flanger he played Bolero. I couldn't possibly describe adequately how well he managed the Bolero melody with that flanger, but it came out amazing. Mike S. PS - heck, always eager to discuss guitarists ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:47:00 -0500 From: "james (j.) wolf" To: email_address_removed Subject: Perfect Strangers "Live"? Message-ID: <"10163 Mon Oct 16 18:04:31 1995"@bnr.ca> In message "YJ #1032", Steve Borzilleri(Bafu Vai) writes: > This causes me to wonder. If all of the instruments were recorded direct, > and not from a single microphone which is obviously the case in the RS > bootleg-recording... parts... could... have... been... altered... in... > a... studio... > > Before I am flamed for my blasphemy, please listen to both versions and > see for yourself. > > > Bafu Vai For various reasons(musicians' mistakes, bad sounding instruments, noise) "Live" albums/tracks are always touched up. Some are cleaned up a little. Others are cleaned up tons. To my ear, LatM sounds hardly touched up(the performance just sounds nice and raw. Also, you can hear many mistakes, which is cool by the way). But the live tracks on ACOS do sound like they could have been touched up a bit more than LatM, especially the vocals. But, again, this isn't any different from what everyone else does for "Live" albums. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:32:04 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man To: Ytse Jam Subject: Fave guitarists Message-ID: Hey, kids. Well, not being a guitar player, I'm not sure I could come up with 5 favorites. But, as a bass player, I thought I'd list my 5 favorites, not incl. JM: 1) Geddy Lee 2) Billy Sheehan 3) John Paul Jones 4) Chris Squire 5) Mike Mills (R.E.M.), or Paul McCartney, depending on my mood Others include John Entwistle, Les Claypool, and Frank Bello (Anthrax). Any other lists/opinions/why-the-hell-do-you-listen-to-REM-type-flames? -Chris *************************************************************** * Christopher R. Merlo |8^)= * * The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall * * Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. * * * * Reality is just a crutch * * for people that can't handle alcohol. * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:06:00 -0400 From: "cam (c.s.) wilson" To: email_address_removed Subject: re: 5 favorite non-DT bands Message-ID: <"13053 Mon Oct 16 18:18:59 1995"@bnr.ca> >If anyone cares, here's my favorite non-DT bands: > Ozzy Osbourne > King's X > Dokken (OK, I know they suck! But give George Lynch some credit) > Aerosmith (forget about their last album, it disgusted me) > Tie: Rush, Pantera >Please don't rip me apart if you think these bands suck, I've got wierd >taste. Of course, none of these bands come even close to Dream Theater. i don't think any of these bands suck, but...how could you place rush and pantera as a tie?! just drop pantera gracefully off the list and everything will be ok. no offence on liking pantera, but rush belongs on that list - since you even considered putting them on there. hey, if you "know" Dokken sucks, then why'dja puttem on yer top 5 list? i don't mind some of their songs. they can be pretty decent at times. old aerosmith is classic rockin music, but ever since they sobered up, hey, i'm sorry, i can't appreciate the sober music (not that i'm an alchy or anything). as an aside, it would be interesting to see what the prog bands these days (including DT) think about the drug, booze thing. it may seem like a lame thing to bring up, but i've read sooooo many interviews with metal bands who claim they write their best stuff while all doped up. somehow, i just don't wanna hear this. if they do, fine, just don't tell me about it. but i wonder if DT has any particular views on all that. BTW, i'm no bible-thumping type; i love beer MORE than the next guy. i'm outa here... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:50:17 CDT From: Chris Crowder To: email_address_removed Subject: help Message-ID: I'm catching up on some ytsejam's after being out of town for the weekend. I just read about someone saying thet Blind Melon is bashing Dream Theater!? Someone please fill me in! Dying to know (so I can kick ass), Chris Crowder ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 95 18:44:36 EDT From: Erik Wolfe To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@arastar.com" Subject: Re: Top 5 Message-ID: My top 5 in order of preference... 1> Randy Rhoads 2> John Petrucci 3> Savatage 4> Liona Boyd 5> Rush Yes, I have extreme tunnel vision when it comes to music. :) Later.... Erik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:09:47 CDT From: Chris Crowder To: email_address_removed Subject: Silent Man Single Message-ID: At Circuit City over the weekend, I was looking around inthe store and found something fantastic. This is a brand-new store (it opened a week ago) and as some of you may know, they have started carrying CD's. I was astounded to find ACoS for nine bucks, I&W for twelve bucks, Awake for thirteen bucks, and WDADU for seventeen bucks! I also stumbled upon LatM, which I will buy as soon as go home again (this weekend --- I didn't get it because I had ordered it from a store at school and today, they hadn't got it yet...I cancelled the order! Ha!!! that'll teach them to be slow!) But, the main reason I'm writing is to (cough!) brag (cough!) about what else I found in the store. I couldn't believe it, but they had the Silent Man single from Germany! I love it! It has the LP version of The Silent Man, A Take the Time demo (which I believe to be more interesting than the LP version, IMO), and Eve. I love Eve (the song, not the woman)!! It's not heavy in the least, and is the kind of music that I like to listen to when I'm on a date or trying to sleep, or listening to anytime (as with all of my Dream Theater stuff - 5 CD's now). Sorry for the somewhat long post, Chris Crowder P.S. does somebody know what's on the Lie single, and if they do, WHERE CAN I GET ONE?!!!!!! Someone's got to know! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:25:25 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Jamie Burks) To: email_address_removed Subject: 5 fav. Non-DT bands Message-ID: This was too good to pass up. 1. Rush 2. Kansas 3. Fates Warning 4. Alan Parsons Project 5. Boston Any other APP fans out there? I'd recommend their latest "Try anything once" to anyone interested in something a little different. I don't know about anybody else, but I've finally gotten over ACOS and can now listen to my other DT albums again. I just cruised through Awake on the way to work today. The more I listen to it the more it becomes my favorite DT album. Lets hope that they top it with the next release in '96. Back to the shadows... ------------------------------------------------------------------ "...the voice of reason against the howling mob" "Nobodys Hero" - Rush Jamie Burks - email_address_removed ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 00:21:51 +0100 (BST) From: Tor Houghton (SysAdmin) To: email_address_removed Subject: ACOS, Kevin Moore Message-ID: Hey jammers, Just a few things. I really disliked the fact that they didn't play all of the Pink Floyd song 'In the Flesh' on ACOS. Also, it would be nice to hear DT do a cover of 'Comfortably Numb'. That said, and I know it wasn't much, probably just mindless drivel, I'd like to know what Kevin Moore is doing at the moment. He has done some awesome lyrics for DT in the past, so I was wondering if he was up to something. Does anyone know? Er, also, how do I turn 'digest mode' off? I keep getting digests from the listserver. The instructions have gone AWOL. Is there an ftp site with the deeper understandings of DT's lyrics? I'd like to see if I agree, that's all. ;) Thanks a lot, Paleface. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: torh@celtic.co.uk "Then we will wonder how machines will steal each other's dreams." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:38:36 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: sheesh... (NDTC) Message-ID: The following appeared in Ytsejam #1034: >> Nope, .sigs aren't possible on AOL; you have to create your own every single >> time. > > If you're creative, you can make a sig for AOL though... Just make a text >file on your hard drive containing the sig you want, then manually upload it >each time. I'm assuming this should be possible (I've done it, just not on >AOL) That's what I used to do... You can also pick up nifty little shareware add-in programs, or bypass the AOL mail program entirely. These days, I finally have both quoting and a .sig option via a small Mac program called SignatureQuote - pretty straightforward title. Jen -- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:38:42 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Whaa? Message-ID: The following appeared in Ytsejam #1034: >>Also, in reply to the guy that wanted to know about what DT songs to play for a metallica, slayer, etc. fan.<< Since when did my gender change? That's news to me... Jen -- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: email_address_removed (Mathew W. Yee) To: email_address_removed Subject: BM bashing DT article Message-ID: For those who haven't read this article, here's the complete file that resides at drkhoe's archive site. Mathew ============================================================================== > Now, I read in a guitar magazine interview w/ Petrucci that one of the > guitarists from Blind Melon, when played PMU in a "Listening Room"-type > article, went off on how shitty Petrucci was and gave a long harangue > culminating in the statement "That kind of playing is just stupid." So > there are two issues I have to address: > 1. There will be no talk of Blind Melon unless it is to express your > undying contempt! > 2. does anybody know exactly what the Blind Melon guy said? i only read > the above summary about it, but never saw his actual statements. I would > like to know exactly what he said so I can adjust my scorn to the proper > level. Unfortunately, I read it when it came out. Here's the transcription... someone with an FTP server that works (unlike this one) go ahead and smack it up to the archives with the oth4er interviews/articles. Hey guys! Let's get those articles more and more! Those of you who have seen the gopher at syrinx.umd.edu p2112 know how awesome it can get... Anything in % borders is my commentary. >From Guitar for the Practicing Musician, January 1994 "Pull Me Under" Images And Words Dream Theater (ATCO/East-West) Christopher: This could be metal at any moment--I'm just warning everybody. Rogers: Either that or it could build up into a power ballad. C: I feel like we might have to excuse ourselves here for a second. We might have to leave. % so get the fuck out! -ed % R: This is one of those guitar sounds that when he hits a note, about a million lights jump up on his guitar rig. C: Any minute now there is gonna be a squealy. R: Is this, like, Queensryche? C: If it is, let's turn it off right away because I hate that band. % blasphemy! fucking assholes % R: Hate it. This is the kind of music you listen to right when you start to get your pubic hairs. C: I can't even be fair to this music, I hate it so bad. I can't even sit through one song. I know I'm not being fair but I think it is complete garbage. That sort of guitar playing is just stupid. % it's better than anything you ever played, poser. % R: If I want to hear a metal band I really like old Black Sabbath and Soundgarden, heavy bands with brains. % I can't fucking stand to type what this guy is saying... it's so far gone from the truth. % If I were listening to an angry metal band I would be more into Rage Against the Machine % commercialism central % or Sugar. I like that Sugar record a lot, I like Sonic Youth a lot. % trendy shit % That's heavy, guitar based music that I listen to. C: Playing fast for the sake of fast is hideous. I hate that whole mentality of sitting around playing scales and cock-rock crap. % this is true, I don't think Christopher CAN play a scale, unlike the precision and attention to detail you hear from Petrucci, Christopher is sloppy and in a word, sucks. I can play better and I think I suck, compared to Petrucci. I figured out the riffs to "No Rain" in 3 minutes. No joke. % R: I heard some squealies. % some WHAT? % I don't really like that sound either. I'm not into those guitar sounds. When I hear that stuff I get feeling squeamish. Guitar: That was Dream Theater. C: We'll remember not to buy that record. I bet they have really nice hair... now I'm being mean. % no, now you're showing your ignorance. % R: This is just our opinion. There's a lot of people that like Dream Theater and that's fine. % got news for you... DT has more true fans than Bland Lemon will ever have. % They get off on it--good for them. They'll probably hate us, maybe they won't. % we do. % C: They probably do because we sound like we're playing sloppy. But that's alright, that's a different thing. % "we just suck, that's all." % We're just coming from a different space. R: In no way do we condemn this sort of music. These people have a right to exist. C: Just keep it the hell away from us. [on to the other songs.] To give you an idea how fucked-up Blind Melon are, they liked: Medicated Goo - Traffic Midnight Rider - Almond Brothers And they hated: Babe I'm Gonna Leave You - Sons of Mercury Omaha - Moby Grape Pull Me Under - Dream Theater Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors Always With Me Always With You - Joe Satriani In other words, they hated all the guitarists who are clearly better than they can ever hope to be. But there's hope!! These letters to the editor appeared in the February 1994 issue with Alex Lifeson of Rush on the cover!! "...I've had it! I'm sick of these stupid fucks writing that heavy metal is soulless, mindless bullshit..." "...If you have something to say about another type of music, keep it to yourself." And in March 1994: "Blind Lemon only wish they could compare to Queensryche and Dream Theater!" "...John Petrucci's technical skill and rapturous melodies are things of beauty, things that Christopher and Rogers hate because they can't create such things themselves..." And so on. Blind Melon sucks. Dream Theater forever! - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - Mike/email_address_removed/Snow Dog of Prismatic Force Designs/sydest.com Likely or not, it's a dream that we keep, and at odds with our senses we'll climb. But if faith is the answer, we've already reached it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time... -Dream Theater - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 23:38:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Ross Specter To: email_address_removed Message-ID: Here's my 5 favorite bands, in no particular order, except for #1. 1. Rush 2. Queensryche 3. DT 4. Emerson, Lake, and Palmer 5. King Crimson Ross Ross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 00:46:26 -0400 From: elliot h kim To: email_address_removed Subject: Arrogant little pieces of $#&*! Message-ID: To Martin Spain: You have made some arrogant, ignorant and incorrect assumptions. 1. Transcriptions are not the easy way out. Granted, TAB is no substition for ear-training, but even the most proficient sight-readers have trouble from time to time. And if you were a real drummer, you would know that drum scores and charts do exist. 2. Drummers aren't better than guitar players. They're just different. While it may be easier to get started on guitar, both instruments take just as much hard work and time to master. 3. Guitarists DO NOT have an easy time of it. Guitarists at all levels of proficiency still work hard, whether they are learning a piece from a transcription or by ear, to do the music justice. 4. So what if you can play most of Portnoy's drum parts?!?!? Is the ability to play SOMEONE ELSE'S complex parts a measure of how good a musician you are? It only proves to me that you are a copy-cat artist. (I use the term artist loosely here). What are you trying to prove by boasting of having to do it the 'hard way' and figure the stuff out for yourself? It only causes me to suspect that you are boasting of percussive prowess to cover up the fact that you suffer from other inadequacies. Martin Spain, you can take your attitude of yours and stuff it in an orifice of yours! ************************************************************************ Elliott Kim Florida International University email_address_removed ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1039 **************************