YTSEJAM Digest 1028 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1026 by Jason Jay Kirby 2) assorted ramblings by email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1024 (Queensryche/Rush) by James Peele 4) ct dt gig by email_address_removed 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1025 by James Peele 6) Re: Mike Bahr's source for AD by James Peele 7) Another short one... I promise!! by Michael Bahr 8) Acoustic Dreams by euan@waikato.ac.nz (Euan Kilgour) 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1026 by Styles 10) plane crash? by email_address_removed (Paul Goracke) 11) Poem in Change of Seasons by email_address_removed 12) Re: Stint your Noise. by "Robert Quezada" 13) RE: Song copyrights by Erik Wolfe 14) Re: Larger venues by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 15) yet more by email_address_removed 16) RE: The Johns' Satriani influence by email_address_removed.co.uk 17) La Brie with Coney Hatch by email_address_removed.fr (Stephane Auzilleau) 18) Add to mailing list by "LEHTO SAMI" 19) Paradise lost by email_address_removed.nl (Peter C. Kriek) 20) Sellout by borlangw 21) Joe Satriani. by "Mr R.J. Chinneck" 22) by email_address_removed 23) ytsejam@arastar.com by "BettenLN" 24) by email_address_removed 25) JP clinic by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) 26) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1026 by Lev Pelekh 27) Home Sweet Home by "L. Jason Hartman" 28) Diary of a madman by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 21:37:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Jay Kirby To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1026 Message-ID: How do you unsubscribe to this mailing list? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:00:12 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Michael Bradley) To: email_address_removed Subject: assorted ramblings Message-ID: Hey there, Jammers! I've finally figured out how to post on the jam, so I just thought I'd write some random thoughts of mine. Hope you all don't mind. 1) Where can I get one of those Ytsejam t-shirts I've been reading about? They sound cool! And they glow?!? Tell me more! Details! 2) I'm SO psyched I've found the jam. At home, my friends love DT, but here at school, the "hot bands" are Phish, Blues Traveller and Dave Matthews. It's such a coincidence that about 2000 people at my school have the EXACT same taste in music:) (Sure, I'm bitter). 3) I'm a guitarist who played prog and other rock for about 6 years and now I'm playing a lot of jazz as well. DT is definately one of the most jazz-like bands out there. Although the sound is quite different, their ability to improvise in concert is jazz-like in attitude, not to mention, being damn cool to watch live. 4) Okay, this is getting a bit long now. Shit, even I'm getting a little bored. Just don't flame me for writing so much:) Keep jammin' all! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- Gather ye rosebuds while ye may, old time is still a-flying; And this same flower that smiles today, tomorrow will be dying. --Robert Herrick, as quoted in Dream Theater's "A Change of Seasons." Mike Bradley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:56:52 -0400 From: James Peele To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1024 (Queensryche/Rush) Message-ID: Zach, I beg to differ!! 'Promised Land' is brilliant!!!! 'Hold Your Fire' (Rush) just may be the best album of all time!!!! I know opinions are like bungholes but I have never understood why so many Rush fans rag on 'Hold Your Fire'! God, I love that album! Here is everyone's homework assignment for the night: Listen (really listen) to 'Hold Your Fire' with headphones and read along with the lyrics. This will be one of the most powerful and enlightening experiences you will ever have.... DO THIS NOW!! Jay Peele For info on INFERNO, E-mail: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:13:23 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: ct dt gig Message-ID: hey- is the ct gig 18/over??? just wondering. please reply!!! thanks. david. "now here comes the icepick to the forehead....." fz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:35:51 -0400 From: James Peele To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1025 Message-ID: Dee, I liked your post. You and I discovered DT in 1989 the same way (by looking in the credits of 'Perfect Symmetry'). Although I understand where you are coming from (I was also annoyed by several idiots at the QR show who only responded to 'Silent Lucidity' and 'Empire'), I have seen other people who begin to like a band after hearing the "popular" stuff and turn into true fans eventually. The more the merrier (album sales help the band). Anyway, I played the entire ACOS album (except for the Elton stuff) last week on my radio show 'Abstract Images'. This is not a whimpy college show with an audience of 5 geeks.... The show is broadcasted over the preview guide (free radio on the T.V.). Everyone who has cable in Jacksonville, FL and surrounding areas gets my music show every Thur. night. Trey has heard my show (hey Trey, call me and request DT - It's your duty :) Although I'd love to, i'm not allowed to play really heavy stuff (Slayer, Fear Factory, etc.) but I do get away with a lot of my favorite stuff such as QR, DT, FW, and INFERNO (shameless self promotion - but it seems to work - i've sold many tapes this way). -Until Later, Jay Peele For info on INFERNO, E-mail: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:50:50 -0400 From: James Peele To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Mike Bahr's source for AD Message-ID: Geeze Mike, Could you make us any more curious? Hey everybody!! DON'T THINK OF A RED FIRE ENGINE!!!!!!! STOP IT NOW!! :) Jay Peele For info on INFERNO, E-mail: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 23:39:29 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Another short one... I promise!! Message-ID: Hi all! Just a quick post, sorry about my longer ones earlier. I guess I just let information pile up (ever the procrastinator I). 1. Thanks to ALL of you for those great offers to come on out to your dwellings for the December shows!! If I can afford the airfare, I think I might as well make the trip. That means the only question is which of you to stay with. As a guest, it's etiquette incumbent upon me to inconvenience you as very little as possible. So, those of you who invited me, let me know if it will be easy for you, or if circumstances or facilities make it difficult. While I _do_ plan to meet every last one of you at or after the show, I think I'd do best to stay with whoever is going to have no problem whatsoever with the overnight. (i.e. the person with an extra room, or the week off, or who's living at home, etc.) I'll decide for sure as December approaches, if I can afford this. THANKS! 2. If I could make a toast, and call for a round of applause, for George Fan (email_address_removed) for that killer cover he made for Acoustic Dreams! Isn't that sweet?! I can't draw like that if my life depended on it. 3. Every now and then in the newsgroups, or at football games, or conventions, or here in the Jam in the last issue, I see someone post "Read John 3:16". Well, ever the curious, I decided to find out once and for all what was so special about _that verse_. Here it is: "Yes, God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him may not die but may have eternal life." Quite a passage, eh? Especially with the lyrical discussions and various posts arguing about religion and secularism, this is particularly relevant. This is a passage that I can find no fault with. It gives one what alcoholics call "a moment of clarity." Well, I promised I'd shut up, so I will. I'll close with a usual sick joke... So a boy comes home from his first date, and his parents are so proud of him. Immediately they ask him how his night went, and he said "It was incredible! I got laid!" His mother was immediately angered and slapped him with the back of her hand. "You filthy lecher! I can't believe I raised my son to be a tramp! Go to your room!" And so he did. Soon his father came up to his room and came inside. "Son," he said "your mother sent me up here to talk to you. But I'm going to tell you what I _really_ think. WAY TO GO! I'm proud of you, son! It's a big step you've taken toward becoming a Man. How did it feel?" The son replied, "It was great, dad! The pleasure, the orgasm... it was better than anything I'd ever had in my life! I can't wait until I get a chance to do it again!" The father winked at his son and asked, "And when will that be?" The son replied, "When my ass stops hurting." Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:15:16 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz (Euan Kilgour) To: email_address_removed Subject: Acoustic Dreams Message-ID: To all of you that have received your copy/copies, DON"T TORTURE ME! Sitting here 22000 miles away knowing I'll be one of the last to get my copy and all I read from you guys/gals is how good it is, I'm getting to stressed with all this nervous anxiety. Mike, keep it up with the DT CD's, I'll buy em all. Euan Kilgour - YJLHB ACOSless (but not for too much longer) Waiting patiently (NOT) for Acoustic Dreams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:57:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Styles To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1026 Message-ID: I saw this mentioned earlier, does anyone have the address for Queensryche's web page, "Screaming in Digital?" Thanx, Styles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 23:12:14 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Paul Goracke) To: email_address_removed Subject: plane crash? Message-ID: I think someone asked this before, but I never saw an answer: Is there any reality basis for Mike's mother dying in a plane crash, or does this just come from the line, "preparing for her flight"? If so, this doesn't conjure images of 747s in my head, just a woman with bags packed, ready to walk out of his life forever. Been there, done that, and actually, I _do_ still have a t-shirt. pg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:12:31 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Poem in Change of Seasons Message-ID: To All You Ytsejammers, Okay guys, time to break out the literature books! The poem quote in A Change of Seasons "Gather ye rosebuds..." is by a British Renaissance-Era poet by the name of Robert Herrick. The poem, "To the Virgins, to Make Much of Time" basically mirrors the philosophy Carpe Diem, which is obviously stressed in the song. Hmm... so much for the theory of drummers being dumb... Portnoy obviously does his homework! For all you fellow seven-string slingers, or daring detuners out there, the transcription for Lie that appeared in the November 1994 issue of Guitar for the Practicing Musician, seems to be accurate the whole way through. K ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:29:14 +0000 From: "Robert Quezada" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Stint your Noise. Message-ID: > Sheesh!! Michael Bahr needs to stint his noise (gaelic for shut up!) A > little long windedness is good my friend but don't blow it and take > advantage of it. Half the jam #1022 was your message. > Mike had a lot to say and I, like probably a few others, actually like to read what he has to say. BTW, Mike.... do you have any Acoustic Dreams CDs still available? rq ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 95 02:50:27 EDT From: Erik Wolfe To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@arastar.com" Subject: RE: Song copyrights Message-ID: I am a musician/songwriter who is an associate member of ASCAP. ASCAP licenses all kinds of music and does so under the United States Copyright Law. It is my understanding that a song may be copyrighted in the following forms: 1> Sheet Music and any related forms thereof or 2> Complete commercial recording These are the only two forms I am aware of, there may be more. To save money, musicians will do the "Poor Man's Copyright", which is technically legal and will stand up in a court of law. That is to send, or have someone send you the "form", be it sheets or tapes. Unopened, the date will stand as sufficient proof in court. The only other legal way I'm aware of is to register with a copyright form from the Library of Congress, Washington D.C. Also, a copyright is legal and binding for 50 years after the authors/writers death. As for DT content...I think ACOS is, without a doubt, DT's best work to date. It had I&W's "sustained brilliance" which Awake unfortunatly didn't match. Nonetheless, Awake was a great disc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 00:07:22 PDT From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Larger venues Message-ID: > > To Bafu Vai > -------------- > In regards to your comment about DT playing in larger venues. Basically > I agree with you on the point of arenas and stadiums, but as far as > outdoor places go, I don't. There are auditoriums, like Great Woods in > Massachusetts for example, that are specifically made for music > listening. I have seen several concerts there, and the sound quality has > been outstanding. I've seen such bands as Rush and Queensryche there and > in Arenas, and I'd have to say that the auditorium was obviously better. > I think DTs sound would be enhanced by such a setting. My opinion anyway.. > > :) Paps I have to agree there. I've seen Eric Johnson/Satriani, The Moody Blues, and Queensryche at the Concord Pavilion, and the sound for all these shows has been *outstanding*. The Concord QR show sounded better than the Sacramento show the night before. The Sac. show was outside, too, but it's basically a grandstand; whereas, the Pavilion is actually engineered for good acoustics. Zach (I wish Rush would get a new sound engineer, or something. All three shows I saw on the last tour *sucked* sound-wise.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:35:42 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: yet more Message-ID: to the guy who mentioned annihilator- god, they sucked. i had "set the world on fire", and i just didn't dig it. so john petrucci's wife is having twins.....maybe he should cal them "miracle" and "sleeper." who is cobra commander? destro's love toy. i asked this a while back, but got no response- anyone know if portnoy was ever in a marching band? long island has quite a few high school bands, and with the really tight snare sound that people either loveor hate, i'm guessing he may have been. whatever. see ya again. love, david "halcyon prick, absinthe loathed, popes moselle in christ, slurping dead jim's fat ass wife with shamrocks and driftwood." -thought industry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:36:42 +0100 From: email_address_removed.co.uk To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: The Johns' Satriani influence Message-ID: <"3647*/I=P/S=McLoughlin/OU=bra0108/O=icl/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> --4lb7oHnaCKoijLjFzKVbb3qEszurMYc5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In an article in 'Guitar World' November 1994 , both JohnP and JohnM cited Joe Satriani as an influence/inspiration. Patricia --4lb7oHnaCKoijLjFzKVbb3qEszurMYc5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I guess it'll be alright though... I just bought Satriani's "Time Machine" because a friend sayed that JP sounds exaclty like him. I guess I see a few similarities, but not too many. Does JP list Satriani as an influence? What do the two think of each other? Regardless, Time Machine is unbelievable, I can't recomend it enough... Long live the Revolution! -Matt And don't forget the Bombay Vindaloo question! --4lb7oHnaCKoijLjFzKVbb3qEszurMYc5-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:44:41 GMT From: email_address_removed.fr (Stephane Auzilleau) To: email_address_removed Subject: La Brie with Coney Hatch Message-ID: Hi jammers, To answer BABS question about James participation to Coney Hatch, I will say that James worked for one year with the band (before WINTER ROSE), but he never recorded any album. Just some demos I think, as he also did with Steve Perry from Journey. These informations came from James himself, so you can consider that they are reliable. As for John Petrucci with Steve Morse. They only recorded demos together, but Steve Morse is too busy at this moment to make a final recording with John for a Guitar compilation. They will do it... later. Hey you, UK jammers, have you seen the "Perfect strangers / Damge Inc." single in your record strores? It was planned to be release, but since I had no more informations. I am looking for traders every where in the world. I got more than 100 audio shows and 25 videos. Anyone interested can e-mail me and sen me her or his list. Bye, Stephane Your Majesty French DREAM THEATER fanzine c/o Stephane Auzilleau 110 rue garibaldi 69006 Lyon France phone: (33) 72 74 49 78 / fax: (33) 72 04 70 41 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 12:14:34 EET From: "LEHTO SAMI" To: email_address_removed Subject: Add to mailing list Message-ID: Hi there! Please add me to your mailing list. If you didn't get my address right (ccMail isn't the most reliable delivery source), here it is: email_address_removed Thanks, Sami Lehto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:06:32 +0100 From: email_address_removed.nl (Peter C. Kriek) To: email_address_removed Subject: Paradise lost Message-ID: Everybody: Go buy the remix single of the song FOREVER FAILURE from Paradise lost, I am a big DT fan but I must say that forever failure is one of the best songs I've ever heard!!! Peter. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:22:03 +0100 From: borlangw To: email_address_removed Subject: Sellout Message-ID: Dream Theater have already sold out. They refused to tour the UK because they aren't quite as popular here as they are in the rest of the world, and they seemed to think that they were 'above' playing small venues. If every other rock band under the sun can tour the UK, why the hell can't Dream Theater? Graham B. ______________________________ ______________________________________ |o o| |o o| | Graham Borland |:: | email_address_removed.ac.uk |:: | Dept. of Computing Science |:: | http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~borlangw |:: | Glasgow University |:: | +44 (0)141 357 4033 |:: |______________________________|:: |______________________________________|:: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:58:46 +0100 (BST) From: "Mr R.J. Chinneck" To: email_address_removed (D.T.Mailing List) Subject: Joe Satriani. Message-ID: Dear all, Firstly, sorry for resending at least one of the entire digests recently. I was trying to send it to a group of people and I did but only after I accidently sent it back to the list. Now for the real stuff....Joe Satriani's new album....ACE!!!! I know the surfing tunes have gone, but there are some beautiful pieces on the album. Track 11 has to be my song of the moment.....goosebumps city for me when that one gets played!!!!! The only track that starts a bit too jazzy and (as far as I am concerned) tune less is Killer Bee Bop (track 9 is it??) But all the rest are good. My favorites are #11, #6, #7, .... in that order, the rest are about the same I just hope an all over print T-Shirt is out soon with the CD cover on it.... sunsets are cool!!!! well there you go, hope this stimulates some more people who like the album to write in about it cos a few were quite disappointed as far as I remember last week..... bye for now, Rob robchin@liv.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:06:05 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Message-ID: --- Saapunut 03.MAPE 90-4694432 12-10-95 15.58 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBM IMX ANOTHER POLL! The idea of this poll is to find out the five favorite bands BESIDES Dream Theater amongst us jammers. So send your answers to fitipmolOibmmail.com. You have two weeks to vote. I will publish the results around October 27th. Hang tough! Mape ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 07:03:46 PDT From: "BettenLN" To: email_address_removed Subject: ytsejam@arastar.com Message-ID: Hi all!! I have read in several "issues" of YTSEJAM that DT will be playing on the east coast at several locations right around Chirstmas. I live in Califoria but will be in Boston between Chistmas and New Years. Does anyone know if DT will be playing anywhere near Boston? If so, could you tell me the date(s)? Thanks! Luis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:34:26 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Message-ID: --- Saapunut 03.MAPE 90-4694432 12-10-95 16.31 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBM IMX Hellow! Anyone out there into trading tapes (not DAT ones)? If you are interested, mail me at fitipmolOibmmail.com. I've got a somewhat large selection of European and especially Finnish (I'm a Finn! We're the World Amateur Hockey Champs!) metal disks and tapes. Hang tough, Mape ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:35:21 +0500 From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) To: email_address_removed Cc: richard@jason Subject: JP clinic Message-ID: <9510121435.AA05977@jason.qc.ca> concerning the question about songs length JP said that the songs in gonna be shorter (that means no more ACos sorry) i compare that to what RUSH have done in the past rush album hemispheres :4 songs 2 of them are longs permanents waves: 6 songs 2 of them are longs moving pictures : 8 songs no one is long (big success) all others album after that; no long song dream theater images and words: 8 songs 5 of them are longs awake : 11 songs 3 of them are longs next one :?? songs and maybe 1 is gonna be long (METROPOLIS PART 2) i think that's the reason why kevin is gone. The band wanted to do short song and not him. because short songs = big success i'm not happy with that because i love long long song. richard. QUEBEC ,CANADA (EXCUME FOR MY ENGLISH) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:45:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Lev Pelekh To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1026 Message-ID: Hi eveyone. I have just joined the list and am a little confused about a few things. I'll throw one at a time at you. #1: What is 'Acoustic Dreams'?. Thanx. Here's Malibu gig info as my first contribution to the list: The concert in Malibu, Long Island will be held on Thur, Dec 28, *8:00p.m.*, it's 18 and over show, Ticked Master doesn't have tickets for sale yet as of last Fri. Leo. Good one, isn't it? email_address_removed http://pages.nyu.edu/~lqp7160 Home of Dream Theater and Aria pages. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:56:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Home Sweet Home Message-ID: I just read that Brian W. is selling a copy of the Home Sweet Home bootleg. I was just like to recommend this boot to any big fans of James. This was one of the 1st shows on the I&W's tour and his voice sounds incredible!! The sound quality is pretty good. Its above average but not as good as Lost in the Sky. (BTW - I was listing to LitS the other day. It rules!!! Nothing beats the live version of Learning to Live!!!!!!!!!!!!) -- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" email_address_removed * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:03:23 +0100 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: email_address_removed Cc: donews!nga Subject: Diary of a madman Message-ID: Just three things on what's left of my mind. 1. In one of the last jams, somebody (I forget who) committed the blasphemy of admiting that they didn't initially like Metropolis Pt. 1. Thanks, whoever you are. I felt just the same way at first. The girl who first introduced my to DT gave me her copy of IaW to tape, and I deliberately left out the aforementioned track for two reasons (i) I just didn't like it: it was too 'bitty' (or so I thought at the time), (ii) it made IaW fit onto one side of a C90 cassette!! I now see the folly of my ways, and Metropolis is now one of my favourite tracks. Perhaps getting to appreciate DT is like getting a taste for good whisky (I don't mean that sugar water called bourbon, or that stuff they brew in Ireland - I mean real, good, properly aged single malts): your first sip tastes like the cat just crapped on your tounge, but after a time, you really get to like the stuff, and can even tell what the cat has been eating for the last few days. 2. In Jam 1026 Paul Fini asked "is that not the longest run-on sentence you've ever seen?" (refering to a JP guitar clinic somewhere). Well Paul, sorry to disappoint you, but no, it isn't the longest sentence I've ever seen. One of Ireland's (and the world's) greatest authors, James Joyce, is sampled during 6.00, and his friend and translator, Samuel Beckett, came up with the longest sentence that I have seen up to now. It appears in the last part of the so-called Beckett Trilogy, and runs for about 80 pages without any punctuation at all. Perhaps DT could make a song out of it? 3. Alert readers of this stuff of mine may well know by now that I am also a big fan of Tiamat. Well, if you're not into them by now, do it. I saw them live last night, and it was the best performance I've seen by any band this year, including DT (puts on asbestos trousers and waits for flames). OK, all concert reports are subjective, but these guys really were amazing. The set included almost all of the last album 'Wild Honey', and included an absolute killer cover of Pink Floyd's 'Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun'. They will still be touring in Europe until mid-November, supporting Black Sabbath. Check them out if you get the chance. PS. Sabbath were good too. I think (therefore I am confused). No that's not what I meant. I think that's enough from me for a few days. I'm off to the Baltic Sea for a weekend of wreck diving, and guess what tapes I'll be taking to keep me company on the 6 hour-plus drive. stay safe, have fun, and let's keep religion and racism and bigotry out of the Jam in future (please) Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1028 **************************