YTSEJAM Digest 1023 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1019 by John Petrucci 2) Live at the Marquee for sale by email_address_removed (David B. Kuznick) 3) DT @ Birch Hill by jbako01 4) YTSEJAM digest 1020 by "Steven Johnson, P" 5) underground by E. Waldron 6) Another "Lurker" pops out of the shadows by Dan Carlisle 7) YTSEJAM digest 1021 by "Steven Johnson, P" 8) DT Shirt update by Jason Giles 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1020 by email_address_removed 10) various stuff by "Andrew S. Moore" 11) please!please! by "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" 12) ACoS review by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) 13) YTSEJAM digest 1018 by email_address_removed (Ryan Inverso) 14) A bit of sacrilege amidst all the drool by Partha Mukhopadhyay 15) Commenting from file by BYRGE_LE@RSCC.CC.TN.US 16) Re: ACOS copyright by email_address_removed (Chris White) 17) Acoustic Dreams by imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt) 18) Who would you cast each DT member as . . . ? by email_address_removed 19) once before maybe... by Matthew Sirois 20) This is your last chance... by Chris Crowder 21) DT Canadian dates? by "cam (c.s.) wilson" 22) responding to James Garrett by Chris Crowder 23) New Release sheet by email_address_removed (Trey Dunn) 24) JP clinic in atlanta by email_address_removed (Mark Davenport ) 25) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1021 by email_address_removed 26) Warning - big bunch of misc crap by Joe Kruger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Petrucci To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1019 Message-ID: >So I did my interpretation of 6:00 based on the above. Now, I'm no lyric >interpreter but I thought that, in this new light, 6:00 was easy to >interpret. However, Innocence Faded was not. So I'll post my 6:00 bit and >someone else do IF and send it :). Marc, you did a great job interpreting the lyrics to 6:00, thanks! Yours, Jeff =) email_address_removed In my changer right now: 1- Miss Saigon CSR disk 1 2- Miss Saigon CSR disk 2 3- Lea Salonga album 4- Kenny G - Breathless 5- Paul McCartney - Off the Ground ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 16:07:35 -0400 From: email_address_removed (David B. Kuznick) To: email_address_removed Subject: Live at the Marquee for sale Message-ID: $20ppd in the US David Kuznick - email_address_removed (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: jbako01 To: email_address_removed Subject: DT @ Birch Hill Message-ID: I don't know if this was mentioned, but here goes anyway: I was looking through TicketMaster's www site (http://www.ticketmaster.com) and DT was listed at Birch Hill on the 29th of December (the night after the Malibu show, I believe). I thought you'd all like to know this. Later, --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | "The nice part about being a pessimist is James Bako | that you are constantly being either email_address_removed | proven right or pleasantly surprised." Polytechnic University | - George Will Brooklyn, New York +------------------------------------------------ | "The nice thing about egotists is that | they don't talk about other people." | - Lucille S. Harper --------------------------+------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 1995 11:40:11 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1020 Message-ID: *** Reply to note of 10/10/95 10:51 Paul Cashman.....please e-mail me directly regarding swords. That sounds inter esting as hell!!! THANKS!!! Steve *************************************************************** You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time/Close your eyes 'cause you'll find all you need in your mind -- Dream Theater, "Take the Time" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:47:54 -0600 From: E. Waldron To: email_address_removed Subject: underground Message-ID: alright, i too feel the need to comment about keeping DT underground. HELLO!?!?! I find it extremely difficult to imagine DT "selling out", as if commercial success is instantly going to make them lose all originality and/or talent they have!? it seems quite obvious to me that if DT's true motivation behind the music was wanting commercial success that they would have put on some flanel shirts and moved to Seattle a long time ago. Just look at how difficult it is to find interviews where someone in the band other than Mike is actually talking, IMO this means that they're letting the music do the talking. and why wouldn't you want them to become successful??that's kind of like saying "well i think you are really talented, and i absolutely love your music, but i hope that you never get any national recognition for it and that you have to spend the rest of your life playing these dirty little clubs while a lot of completely talentless "musicians" are treated like royalty because MTV put them in the buzz bin" i personally hope that they do make it big, they deserve it. and i don't think that anybody who knows anything about DT could really think that they'd sell out. i mean, come on, they deserve the good venues and a little publicity would be nice. my $0.02 elise ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 00:03:14 -0500 From: Dan Carlisle To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Another "Lurker" pops out of the shadows Message-ID: -- [ From: Dan Carlisle * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi all, Been reading the "jam" for awhile now. Saw a few things that jumped out at me and thought I share some musings. To the guy who said "Even my dad (46) likes DT". Whadda you think, you hit a certain age and, BANG, all of a sudden you have to listen to Perry Como or something? :) (smile) (:) (nod) ;) (wink) .. ...... ( I'm 33, BTW ) To Jim Colberg: Man you hit it right on the head. I thought that 6:00 was pretty obvious but it took awhile for this to pop out. "He finally found the sound but he's in too deep" - Kev's wrestling with the impending neccessity to purse his own musical direction. Anyway, its' a powerful song when viewed in this context. I also really liked "Space Dye Vest" and found the words quite moving. ( although I admit, it took a while for the music to grow on me ). Renewed my interest in programming percussive sequences with my Wavestation though. ( although his seq. sounds an awful lot like a "stock" sound on my SR ). Awake is still my personal favorite CD. Re: pedals on stage. Look closely at the I&W Live in Tokyo video. Clearly visible in front of John Myung. Can't tell who makes them though. ( can't be Taurus though, pre midi ) Speaking of Tokyo, I'm going !!!!!! Got business to do, and guess what. Told the boss it had to be done after the 25th and before the end of October . Pretty clever, huh! Hoping to "boot" the show, but am unfamiliar with security at the Japanese shows. Any Japanese jammers out there, can you fill me in on pre-concert searches, etc???? See ya at the El n Gee in Dec. ( hope to run into alot of Jammers there !!! ! ) Jam on, Dan ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 1995 12:57:12 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1021 Message-ID: *** Reply to note of 10/10/95 12:25 OK Bafu Vai....Whatever.....I get your point....:) *************************************************************** You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you this time/Close your eyes 'cause you'll find all you need in your mind -- Dream Theater, "Take the Time" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:01:30 -0700 From: Jason Giles To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Shirt update Message-ID: Hello everyone! Just wanted to let you all have one last chance at ordering shirts, etc., so the information follows... if you have already ordered a shirt, but haven't sent the money, please do so now! I expect to order them by the end of the week, so I should receive them by the 25th or so, with prompt shipment to you all as soon as I can stuff 60+ shirts in the local mailboxes. ;-) Thanks, jason email_address_removed Here goes: The shirts are black 100% pre-shrunk cotton, with the Majesty logo on the front breast. Underneath it 'ytesejam the internet mailing digest' is written. On the back there is a large DREAM THEATER logo, with 'let the light surround' you written in greyish, glow in the dark ink. The cost is $14 each, domestic shipping included. Foreign shipping is an additional $4 per item (except Australia and Germany, who add $6 per item). There is no increase for Canadian orderers. Sizes are S, M, L, XL, XXL (+$1.00), XXXL (+$1.50). My deadline for orders is October 15th, 1995. Please send your money, as I plan on ordering by that date, and having them by the end of October for shipment to all orderers. Send money to Jason Giles, 3200 Payne Ave. #525, San Jose, CA 95117. Checks or cash, or money orders are fine (the non-bouncing kind of check is the only kind I'll accept. ;-)) Please e-mail me your order, with (1) size, (2) quantity, (3) YOUR SHIPPING address, (4) your e-mail address and (5) how much your sending me. I will confirm your order via e-mail, at which time you should send out the money. Orders or questions: e-mail me at email_address_removed View them on-line before ordering: WWW: http://www.crl.com/~jgiles/shirts.html FTP: ftp.crl.com, directory: /users/jg/jgiles, login: anon., passwd:e-mail add files via anonymous ftp are GIFs or UUE files. Check em out! now back to your regularly scheduled program... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:44:53 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1020 Message-ID: I AM SO EXCITED TO FIND FELLOW DT FANS !!!! They are hard to find. I am new to the jam and because of it have been turned onto Fates...thank you. Has anyone heard/listen to Fortune. They are a Boston-based band with a major DT influence. The only CD that I have been able to locate is their self titled first release. Any suggestions/info? Are there any fellow guitar players out there? If so, I would love to chat about equipment, etc. My main influences are George Lynch, Tony Macalpine and of coures John P. and like many of you am in search of that ultimate tone. -thanks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:46:10 BST From: "Andrew S. Moore" To: email_address_removed Subject: various stuff Message-ID: Hi again, 1) Re: Favourite DT solo: There's just too many to mention!!! The best that spring to mind are Voices, the end of Lie (the last solo that was cut out of the edit), A fortune In Lies, the jam in the middle of TTT and, (the one that ALWAYS gets me going), the outro. climax to Innocence Faded... 2) Re: Album titles that appear as songs on later albums... I can think of two that haven't been mentioned - AC/DC's live album (If You Want Blood...You Got It) - the track of the same name appeared on the Highway To Hell LP, and Def Leppard's On Through The Night LP, the track with this title appeared on the High 'N' Dry LP. 3) Can somebody please post the set list from the last DT US tour (the tour where they played the new ACoS)? There were a lot of reveiws of these shows a while ago with set lists but I've lost them... Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew S. Moore Small Systems Support Assistant Anglia Polytechnic University, Cambridge, UK. email_address_removed.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- '"Sieze the day", I heard him say, Life will not always be this way, Look around, hear the sounds, Cherish your life while you're still around' - Dream Theater, A Change Of Seasons, Part III: Carpe Diem ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:44:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" To: email_address_removed Subject: please!please! Message-ID: hey guy whoever you are PLEASE stop copying the whole mail when you are sending it! Minhaz the martian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:58:11 +0500 From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) To: email_address_removed Cc: richard@jason Subject: ACoS review Message-ID: <9510102058.AA05416@jason.qc.ca> there a good review of ACoS in the "METAL EDGE" issue of december ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 13:36:34 EDT From: email_address_removed (Ryan Inverso) To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1018 Message-ID: Whoever the fucking asshole is who keeps send entire digests to the list better fucking stop. Digests are long enough already without having wasted space. Sorry 'bout that, I had to get it off my chest......ON WITH THE REVOLUTION. Ryan Inverso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:49:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay To: email_address_removed Subject: A bit of sacrilege amidst all the drool Message-ID: Just got done with a first run through A.D.-- Another winner, Mike, keep 'em coming :) (is that an understatement or what?) Another Day nearly had me in tears....until I had to burst out laughing at that falsetto around 2:20 and through the rest of the song........ Ok, let's get this sacrilege out of the way....I like the Bruce Dickinson sung version of Perfect Strangers better than Labrie's go.....he's got that whine in his voice that just *makes* the song for me........ And the song "Bad", by U2? Let's just say i dug out my vinyl copy of the Unforgettable Fire in anticipation.....James sounds remarkably like Bono at times, and then lets his own vocal persona come through....damn, I'm drooling on this keyboard....... Partha "Carpe Deum"--Jeremy ??? (whose poetry ain't half bad if you give it a chance) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:27:59 -0400 (EDT) From: BYRGE_LE@RSCC.CC.TN.US To: email_address_removed Subject: Commenting from file Message-ID: <01HWADTAVCPU90MZGT@RSCC.CC.TN.US> X-Personal_name: Larry E. Byrge From: email_address_removed.cc.tn.us. Subject: Dream Theater Dream Theater Rules! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 20:40:56 EDT From: email_address_removed (Chris White) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: ACOS copyright Message-ID: >> versions would not be covered by any copyright restrictions, >> and would be in the public domain, free to distribute, >> without concern for violating any copyrights that apply to >> the "official version". Is this true or false? > I would have to go with FALSE. Unless, of course, DT is made up of > uninformed, people ignorant of the workings of today's society and the > business of the music industry - which I think is also false. When you > write a song, you have it copyrighted. You don't write a tune, go out and > perform it live, let boots get distributed and never have it copyrighted. > That's foolish. I think that copyright pertains to this recorded version. > If the boots aren't copyrighted, then you could legally, perform the Subcon > version of ACOS and claim it as your own. In fact, you could then copyright > it and it would be yours. If you did it before the copyright of the studio > ACOS, you might even be able to sue DT. So I'd say that the old versions > have been copyrighted since 1989. Actually, once you write something, it is automatically copyrighted under US Law. For example, every paper you write for a class is copyrighted under your name, and is legally binding, without filling in any paperwork. However, it's just really hard to prove who wrote something first, which is why there are copyright laws. But I've heard, and know of a few people, who have either written a manuscript, or a computer program, or something similar, and then mailed it to themselves and left the postmark on. This is proof that on that date, whatever is enclosed has been created by you. It's the "poor man's way" to copyright something, but it does hold up in court. So if someone here did try to pass ACOS off as their own, even if the original version wasn't copyrighted "legally", I'm sure it still wouldn't float. Ok, enough of that, let's talk music (or at least listen :) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:04:27 -0600 From: imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt) To: email_address_removed Subject: Acoustic Dreams Message-ID: Hi everyone! How come you jammers haven't been talking about Acoustic Dreams yet. (OK...two of you have!) I would imagine I would have heard more by now. Perhaps Mike hasn't shipped them all yet. Please post your comments! To jump on an old thread....... How I got into DT. When I&A was released, I read a great article about the boys, and a five star review in MEAT magazine, a Canadian heavy metal mag. They compared them to Rush and Queensryche, so I thought I'd give them a try. Well, to use a often overused cliche............the rest is history. Thanks MEAT! I've been hearing some interesting things about a group called Phish. Can any of you jammers give me your comments or suggestions. Please e-mail me privately. Cheers, Ian imowatt@escape.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:24:53 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Who would you cast each DT member as . . . ? Message-ID: I've been a member of the ytsejam for about 6 months, and this is my first post! Anyway, my friend and I (both being MAJOR DT fans) have had this joke about who each member of DT would play what characters from movies, just by the way they look. John Petrucci would be perfect for Elliot Nes. John Myung would have to play some ninja in a Bruce Lee type movie. Mike Portnoy would look great as some bad guy in a western movie, and to the best of our conclusions, James LaBrie would make a great Data from Star Trek : ) (total sarcasm!!!). We couldn't come up for a Kevin Moore one (as this discussion was in the days of Kevin Moore). What do you think? Any good ideas? Dream Theater rules the planet of all forms of music!!! Take it easy! Jeff Hill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:57:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Sirois To: email_address_removed Subject: once before maybe... Message-ID: Okay, here's a question for you die hard DT fans: I've seen a disc called "Practicing Musicians Vol III" with DT's Bombay Vindaloo on it. Can anyone tell if this is the same version that's on LatM? This is one of my absolute favorite DT songs, if it's a different version (maybe studio?) then I must have it. Life would not be complete without it. DT rules. (okay, we all already know that...) The thread out there going on about DT becoming an in band... I wouldn't worry about DT changing their style were they to become huge. They're too good for all that. I can understand the fears of a great band becoming popular and going downhill, though usually I think it's the other way around: bands go bad, and then people listen to them, because the masses tend to like bad music. An example? Take Soul Asylum. Their album "And the Horse They rode in on" is one of the greatest albums of all time (IMO), but their newer stuff isn't worthy to be pissed on. Truly, it just sucks (IMO again). They were one of my absolute favorite bands before Grave Dancers Union, now I don't even like to admit I listen to them. anyone who hasn't heard their earlier stuff needs to know that they were a great band with a lot of originality and flair. Now they're bleached out repititious musical diarrhea. I've heard people say that Metallica sold out and became popular... I usually hit people that say that, but it is a common opinion in my experience. I guess it'll be alright though... I just bought Satriani's "Time Machine" because a friend sayed that JP sounds exaclty like him. I guess I see a few similarities, but not too many. Does JP list Satriani as an influence? What do the two think of each other? Regardless, Time Machine is unbelievable, I can't recomend it enough... Long live the Revolution! -Matt And don't forget the Bombay Vindaloo question! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:39:32 CDT From: Chris Crowder To: email_address_removed Subject: This is your last chance... Message-ID: Well, it's down to the last day for all you (there had better be some) procrastinators out there that recieve this list. For the last time, I'm soliciting answers for this week's E-mail poll. Trust me, I DO want to know what you think, and in the meantime I get to depress other people by showing them how much E-mail I get compared to them. Ha Ha!!!!! Well, being the last day, I want them to pour in. At 7:00 on Wednesday, October 11, I will tally the responses and send the results to the ytsejam, in the hopes that they will be on the ytsejam on Thursday. Then, we will all know the results. I'm looking forward to posting them. For those of you who are new to the list or erase the list after you read it and need the questions, here you go for the last time... Question 1: Do you agree with the O.J. Simpson Verdict? (a simple Yes, No, Don't Know, or Who's O.J.? will be sufficient.) Question 2: Which Dream Theater album is your favorite? (I'm personally rooting for my favorite....IMAGES & WORDS!!!) Well, guys, this is the last time I'll ask for this poll. COME ON, SEND THEM IN!!!!!!!!!! E-mail me at: I can't wait to hear from the rest of you. :-) Excited about having ordered LatM and also about Acoustic Dreams, Chris Crowder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:45:00 -0400 From: "cam (c.s.) wilson" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Canadian dates? Message-ID: <"11234 Tue Oct 10 17:50:02 1995"@bnr.ca> so what's the deal with DT and Canada? I live in Ottawa, just four-five hours drive from Toronto. DT has played in Toronto before and I believe they'll be there again. Why not let some other cities see them live? In fact, do Toronto, swing up thru Ottawa and continue along to Montreal and/or Quebec City, then pop across the border again to play more U.S. dates... or try out Canada's eastern provinces - they're crying out for some decent shows too. i can't justify driving to Toronto for a gig in a club or whatever DT does. But if they wanna keep their fans primed, they ought to venture to more than just one stop up here. It's not ALL SNOW north of Toronto you know? (not yet, anyway). Cam camw@bnr.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:10:27 CDT From: Chris Crowder To: email_address_removed Subject: responding to James Garrett Message-ID: Oh, your little speech about how we should not stereotype people because not all people are the same. Why don't you live up to your word and follow it. Why did you so OBVIOUSLY contradict yourself? Stereotyping is bad, huh, and you never do it, right? Then why did you group ALL Christians together into one little pile and slander us? Granted, no one is perfect and some of us are hypocrites, even some Christians. The majority, however, is not, and I don't take kindly to your remarks. As for O.J. and Susan Smith, yes, I personally have asked that be forgiven, if they did it, and in Susan Smith's case, that she repent because she DID do it. But, if they did do it, each of them, by law, will have to face the consequences. That's life. Well, anyway, if you gotta say something, from now on...Follow your own advice. A fellow ytsejammer, Chris Crowder P.S. Now, let's let that end the Holy War, and get on with the D.T. stuff!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:30:12 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Trey Dunn) To: email_address_removed Subject: New Release sheet Message-ID: <9510102230.AA04786@legend> Ok Ytsejammers! Here is another set of new releases of interest to everyone. This time for Edward Ju's sake I have ommitted all the re-releases and I still have no new info on Gary Hoey. It is still on the sheet so I don't know. Enjoy and lets see some Ozzy reviews up here! I am interested to hear about it. It came out today. Until next time see ya. 10/10 Cowboy Junkies 200 More Miles: Live 1985-94 /jb 10/10 Peter Frampton Comes Alive II 10/10 Green Day Insomniac WB/kf 10/10 Gary Hoey Ho Ho Hoey 10/10 Indigo Girls 1200 Curfews [double live] 10/10 Ozzy Osbourne Ozzmosis 10/10 Joe Satriani Joe Satriani 10/10 Tears For Fears Raoul & The Kings of Spain ELEK 10/17 Yngwie Malmsteen Magnum Opus 10/24 Anthrax Stomp 442 /gah 10/24 GWAR Rag Na Rok MBR 10/24 Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Collie &the Infinite Sadness VIRG 10/24 Toad the Wet Sprocket In Light Syrup 10/31 Helloween Master of the Rings 11/07 Alice in Chains Alice in Chains /jv 11/07 Meatloaf Escape from Hell 11/07 Ministry Filth Pig 11/14 Melissa Etheridge Your Little Secret 12/95 Aerosmith /jf 12/95 Gin Blossoms <title unavailable> A&M/jf 01/30 Billy Idol <title unavailable> CHRYS/emi 01/96 Tori Amos <title unavailable> /che 01/96 Galactic Cowboys Machine Fish MBR/MBR 01/96 King's X <title unavailable> ATL/jzp 01/96 Alex Lifeson Victor ANTH/sor 01/96 Poison Crack A Smile CAP/jzp 01/96 Screamin' Cheetah Wheelies <title unavailable> /jk 05/96 Fates Warning <title unavailable> MBR 06/96 Def Leppard Slang /te 07/96 Dream Theater <title unavailable> ELEK/ka 1996 Sheryl Crow <title unavailable> /ja 1996 Pearl Jam <title unavailable> /da 1996 Rush <title unavailable> ANTH/sj 1996 Veruca Salt <title unavailable> /ja ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | | Trey Dunn | Love is an act of blood | | "The Treyminator" | And I am bleeding | | Email: email_address_removed | A pool in the shape of a heart | | | Beauty projection in the reflection | | | Now that your gone I'm trying to make it | | | Learning to swallow the rage | | | I found a new girl I think we can make it | | | As long as she stays on the page | | | Dream Theater - "Space Dye Vest" | |___________________________________________________________________________ _| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:59:51 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Mark Davenport ) To: email_address_removed Subject: JP clinic in atlanta Message-ID: <message_id_removed> Well i see no one on here went and you guys missed out it was great it was 3 hours or so and just great although he had a tech problem with his dat half way through erotomania but he fixed it and all went well after that,th first song he played i forget the title but it was written for his wife nothing anyones heard before,very pink floyd sounding, then he talked about how he uses other instraments i.e. violin and piano and drums to help influence him,he knew what he was talking about,he took alot of qusetions and was very nice,among the things brought out were metropolis pt2 should be on the next album but it still is not written,he is not working on a solo album but might in the future,and his wife is pregnant with twins a girl and a boy cool huh now for the cool part he played a dat of what he called rough stuff that may be on the next album and this stuff is VERY different from anything weve heard from dt very different drums on this almost techno but not in a bad way,it was pretty cool so the next album should sound pretty cool,also i asked him if it was derick that played on all the stuff he played through his dat and he said yes and i have to admit derick sounds better than kev,his stuff is more old school prog and more lush and soothing than kevins stuff not a knock against kevin just my opinion, derick did erotomania on the dat and it sounded great, so i think we have nothing to worry about from derick he'll do fine if anyone did go e mail me id love a copy of this as i didnt tape it oh and excuse my typing im in a hurry,mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:17:59 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1021 Message-ID: <message_id_removed> I have had the misfortune of reading an awful lot of stuff on this list that has nothing to do with music, DT or otherwise. A lot of people are beginning to write to complain about it all, unfortunately, this really just creates MORE messages that are irrelevant. Now for the token DT content: I had the very great fortune of going to see DT shortly after I bought the album I&W (which at the time, I had thought was their first). I was at a Kansas concert (my original favorite group - someone mentioned it would be great to have one prog-video TV station just to play videos of progressive rock. Talk about dreams and wonderful things...), and they announced that Dream Theater would be playing the next week. The reason I mention the Kansas concert (besides shamelessly plugging for them :) is because a Kansas concert tends to be a bit lower in volume than a normal rock concert. You can actually "hear" the music - all part of it. You don't get that "wall" of noise effect that you get from most other concerts. Well, the Dream Theater concert was simply the loudest concert I ever went to. It was physically painful. I was able to appreciate how amazing the band played, and at times (at my favorite parts of the songs) I was able to enjoy it despite my pain, but overall it was too much. I've been to Rush concerts, Metallica, Yes and others, so I have certainly been to some loud concerts, but nothing like the DT one. I'm wondering, is this common for them? It wouldn't prevent me from going, but I'd hate to have to be wearing ear-plugs. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:32:48 -0400 From: Joe Kruger <email_address_removed> To: email_address_removed Subject: Warning - big bunch of misc crap Message-ID: <message_id_removed> This is a long rambling post. For those who don't like, please skip - don't rant or flame. If you can't control your emotions or your fingers - please do it privately - not to the Jam. Here is the First Annual Post to the YTSEJAM from a semi-permanent lurker: 1. THIS IS TO MIKE PORTNOY - Please, please me (gratuitous Beatles ref). Please add "Scarred" to the setlist on the next tour. This is the only absurdly self-centered request I will ever make to you or the band (at this time). This is to the person who takes the Jam to the MP clinic Please include this Jam. 2. Three more song titles not on same album: Def Leppard On Through the Night High 'N Dry Mr. Big Mr. Big Bump Ahead Steelheart Tangled in Reins Steelheart (Yes, as a matter of fact, I am big fan of cock-rock hair bands, that's how I found DT). 3. I am taking a survey of people who are tired of surveys :) This is a joke - no responses please. 4. Mercy Fuck! - I liked the Bafu Vai lyrics - it made a point. I also liked the Sistine Chapel comparisons - that was exactly what I thought (well not the Sistine Chapel specifically) when I read all those "Where's the Please Don't Go" posts. 5. Regarding DT Music/Lyric Style Criticisms by others: Masturbation - Cool - I like guitar-based musical masturbation as opposed to other kinds. Squeelies - I like them too. Wah Pedal - Give me more. Prog Metal is Passe/De Classe - Don't tell that to all us freaks spending our $ on it. Too Many Notes - Isn't that a Steve Morse song? 6. ACOS review I am not a musician. It took me a while to listen to I&W without wanting to skip Metropolis. Maybe my ears are improving, but ACOS seemed listenable (away put your dictionary - I mean you no harm) quicker. Perhaps, my ears hear things that aren't there - but I think there IS a common musical theme throughout the song. I like any and all versions of this song - I hope no one minds. My wife's review of CD: 1. It would be a lot better if it was simply the acoustic guitar thing. 2. Yuck. Elton John 3. Never heard of it - OK except that it's DT. 4. Wow - maybe I should listen to the Led Zeppelin versions - Nah. 5. COWS - Boy I sure hope they don't start playing violins. LTS - Wow, you're right; they're talented - even if its misdirected. She has broad (not intended as a bad sexist pun) musical tastes - she likes anything done in 4/4. :) - insert sexist generalization here! Sorry. Please don't flame her (through me) - she indulges my expensive hobby. 7. Cygnus comments - If you expect crap from a bootleg you won't be disappointed when you get what you paid way too much for. I happen to like it and will continue to patronize the Limelight Music Co. 8. Bootleg quality questions (possible rerun): There are two tiers of bootlegs: 1. audience-recorded and 2. recorded through other means (soundboard, radio broadcast). If you don't like one audience-recorded bootleg you probably won't like any regardless of its relative quality. I recommend that Mike Backof identify which boots are audience-recorded. Since I don't really like aud-boots, I would only buy them for bands of which I am a fanatic (sorry about the proper grammar). 9. MayB ItZ jUst ME or Do oTherZ fiNd iT HaRd 2 ReAD MeSSAgeZ daT tHAt lOOk Like thiS :) 10. I signed up for the jam around issue 750. Since then, I've gone back and read a lot of back issues (Don't ask me how - its GET YTSEJAM YTSEJAM.XXX sent to email_address_removed - thank me Ken) to make sure I didn't ask any FAQs that weren't in the FAQ. I noticed there were a lot of threads based on misinformation (Awake CD = Lie single, your Mass you fuck,etc). Isn't anyone afraid these kind of discussions may damage our credibility as a reliable focus group with DT + mgmt. 11. Penn State Wiener guy with the 6:00 interpretation - you are brave. I tend to keep my thoughts to myself (unlike this post) so I don't get flamed by all the people who are THE ONLY ONES THAT TRULY UNDERSTAND THE REAL MEANING OF NEIL PEART LYRICS. Maybe I shouldn't be so cowardly; I could relate to what you were thinking. 12. NDTC - Please keep this up. So far I have been brave enough to buy Cairo, Magellan, and Shadow Gallery based only on positive comments (not even reviews) on the Jam. I really like two of those - sorry, Jen. 13. Who Am I - age 30 (old), male, computer-professional?, married (two kids), conservative but open-minded (yes, there is such a thing), living in EBFE (Columbus OH) anxiously awaiting Sept 96 - probable time-frame of next DT visit here, this is a guess - I don't have any inside info from the band so don't ask. 14. Bootleg Sources: Best - ytsejam traders (you can always flame them - relatively free) Mike Portnoy - if you know him - which I don't - so don't ask. record show (on-hand inventory + prices can't be beat) Good - Mike Bahr (if you can stand the agonizing wait between releases) Tim Lodge (where does he get this stuff?) hole-in-the-wall-university-record-stores (if you have time) Ranjit (takes forever to respond to req - sends stuff quick tho) OK - SMEIGS (never cheated me) Avoid- CD Europe (send us your money now so that we can collect interest forever waiting for your selections to become un-available). 15. A vs B vs C Some days I like I&W most, some days I like Awake most, some days I like demos, some days I actually like other bands better. I really depends on my mood. Interesting, but JP is the only thing about Dream Theater I would put on my best of (Best song, album, group, guitarist, etc) list. Yet, somehow, DT remains an complete obsession to me. 16. Kev vs Derek This is probably grounds for execution, but I view keys as background/accompaniment to the rest of DT's music. It is MY OPINION that the other members of the band share this view and this is why Kevin left. I like Eve, WFS, and Kev's lyrical contribution but I probably wouldn't buy a SDV-type album even if it had JP. As far as I my musically-limited ears can tell, Derek can do the dual key/guitar soloing just fine. I also like Derek's obvious blues/jazz influence, and I'm hoping to hear this on the next album. 17. Questions from me: 1. I like JP, Hoey, Satch, EVH, Norum, Morse, Schon, Gillis, Vai, etc. Electric/Acoustic doesn't make a difference to me. Will I like Craig Chaquico - Acoustic ... cds? I do like the recent Schon new-age release, but it sounded like rock to me. 2. Do Shadow Gallery or Cairo have any other albums? 3. Are artists in #2 Christian Rock? Is Magna Carta a Christian label? I don't want to buy other stuff on the Magna Carta label if it's only quality is its religion. 4. Is anyone tired of reading all this crap? I am. 18. At least my .sig is small. Joe Kruger ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 1023 **************************