YTSEJAM Digest 930 Today's Topics: 1) solos by William Kriski 2) YTSEJAM digest 928 by "ZSVJ01@CTSVMC" 3) Re: Bass Solos by Rob Martino 4) ACoS in Canada by email_address_removed.CA 5) JP's style by Dave Silva 6) JM's Solo's by euan@waikato.ac.nz (Euan Kilgour) 7) Short hair and all: by Bill Engels 8) web page by A Humble Dream Theater Fanatic 9) Non-DT computer questions by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 10) instrumental on WDADU by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 11) Stickers are here!!! by INTERNET:email_address_removed@big12.metrobbs.com 12) Re: ACoS in Canada by Tymoteusz Altman 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 929 by email_address_removed.de (Bernd Basmer) 14) John Myung's solos, Anthony Jackson etc. by Aviad Hay 15) Backup by "GENE (IT'S GOOD TO BE THE KING) SZUCS" 16) Live Dream Theater Question by email_address_removed (Jeffrey Furry) 17) DT boot CDs... by email_address_removed 18) VIXENs and soloing by Aviad Shkolnikov 19) Internet CD's? by email_address_removed (John Hough) 20) by email_address_removed (Randall Braun) 21) by ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 11:20:05 -0600 (MDT) From: William Kriski To: email_address_removed Subject: solos Message-ID: 'jammers, To those who commented on John Myung's bass solos. Feel fortunate you've had a chance to see them play live! I think his solo would be outstanding if you compared it to Michael Anthony's (even with the Jack Daniels bottle!). Check out the bassist from Vixen if you want a cool live solo (if they're still kicking around that is) - they're an all-female band. Also, I think John Petrucci does have his own style even though in UaGM he showed his bag of tricks. To me he's added a large amount of new material to guitar playing, namely in melodic playing. These melodies are not necessarily the guitar solos, but are within the song. One way I identify him is by the blistering chromatic passages such as in UaGM, PMU, TTT, and a short part of Innocence Faded(end). But hey, everyone has his (her) opinion! Will ------------------------------ Date: 22 Aug 1995 13:06:13 GMT From: "ZSVJ01@CTSVMC" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 928 Message-ID: *** Reply to note of 08/22/95 02:21 FROM: Steven Johnson, P&GA, ext. 6066 Subject: YTSEJAM digest 928 I don't know who said it but....I too can't believe they took the "Please don't go" out of ACOS. I just heard the Subcon. version and MY GOD!!!! It sums up the whole story in 6 seconds of tape!!!! Our loss,I guess. Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- "Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound. Raindrops taste like tears without the pain." -- Queensryche ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:53:34 -0400 From: Rob Martino To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Bass Solos Message-ID: Hi, I just saw some people mentioning bass solos, and don't know if this has been mentioned, but the best bass solo I have ever seen would be Victor Wooten of Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. As anyone who has seen him live would agree, you just cannot believe what you are seeing. And he makes it look absolutely effortless...he can two hand tap faster than most guitarists, play chords and bassline at the same time, plays as tightly as a machine, can switch between fretted, fretless and cello with ease, and even does crowd pleasing stunts like twirling around in the strap with the bass remaining still and taking it off and heaving it around (while still playing it of course). Most of all, he is incredibly musical and tasteful, not just playing scales as fast as he can, but coming up with the neatest rhythms and lines you'd ever hear. He is very possibly the best bass player alive today! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 17:18:10 -0400 From: email_address_removed.CA To: email_address_removed Subject: ACoS in Canada Message-ID: I went to the HMV muisic store in Montreal and the canadian release date for ACoS was listed 19-09....I asked for the promotionnal copy of ACoS and the guy almost laughed :( Well some jammers are more lucky than other! BTW, in the intro to Scarred, JP solo sounds alot like Satriani on the couples of last song of Flying in a blue DREAM, anyone agree? I'm 24 and 100% Canadian (Thumbs up to LaBrie!!!) and i'm finishing my master degree in biochemestry in december I also have very short hair....and i play guitar bye J-Francois INRS-Sante ________________________________________________________________________________ "Fifty five feet of rain forest are consumed with every 1/4 pound fastfood burger made from rain forest beef...Ha Ha Ha... THIS AIN'T FUNNY MAN..." EARTH Dweezil Zappa, Confession (w N.Bettencourt) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 17:17:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Silva To: email_address_removed Subject: JP's style Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, William Kriski wrote: > are not necessarily the guitar solos, but are within the song. One way I > identify him is by the blistering chromatic passages such as in UaGM, PMU, > TTT, and a short part of Innocence Faded(end). But hey, everyone has > his (her) opinion! Interestingly enough, those "blistering chromatic passages" are a DIRECT influence from Steve Morse. Listen to almost anything by Morse and you'll understand why JP names him as an influence. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:47:15 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz (Euan Kilgour) To: email_address_removed Subject: JM's Solo's Message-ID: I play bass. I know how hard it is to jam out a solo unaccompanied. I really like JM's basslines (when I can hear them) and that is enough for me. If he can't put together a decent solo in your opinion, then why crucify him? Hell, when I was playing in bands, only one band asked me if I wanted a solo and they didn't mind when I declined the offer. Solo's are no where as important as holding a song together with a good, tight bassline. I prefer to blast away under the song and cut loose here and there every now and then. I practise a basic solo just in case it is needed, but that is a low priority cause up to now I have never needed it. Some of the stuff JM plays in the songs is mind blowing - way beyond my meagre talents, but that is where he is most comfortable, and hence you get some great chops coming out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:49:28 -0500 From: Bill Engels To: "'ytsejam@arastar.com'" Subject: Short hair and all: Message-ID: <01BA70C0.0366A400@midgard> This is the first message that I've sent to anybody on Internet using = Exchange as my e-mail. So...Cool. I'm really excited about the upcoming = ACOS ep. I'm a bigger fan of Zep, so see a merging of the two, well, = that is *heavan*. I checked out the upcoming dates, but I don't see any = for Minneapolis. Do any 'jammers have information otherwise. South = Dakota is a *hell* of long ways from anywhere. Oh, the hair thing. The day before the message about short hair was sent = out, I went an had shaved to the scalp. I was tired of the same damn = haircut that I'd had for 23 years. Imagine my surprise to see this being = discussed. I've had long hair, too. BTY, I now look like a skinhead, and = have three kids crying by looking at them. Short hair rules!!! Of = course, in this area, long hair gets the girls.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:36:57 -0500 (CDT) From: A Humble Dream Theater Fanatic To: ytse jam Subject: web page Message-ID: To anyone who has a link to my dt page: The new location is: http://isr0939.urh.uiuc.edu/dt/dt.htm Revisions are currently being made. Please change any links you may have. Thanks. Ed Polzin WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ email_address_removed email_address_removed email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 23:01:19 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: Non-DT computer questions Message-ID: Hi, Sorry to take up Ytsejam space with this (but obviously not that sorry since I'm doing it). I need some computer help and wondered if anyone would mind. Please email me directly if you care to respond. Well, I just bought a new PC. Being a Mac user, I have some questions that I hope some people can answer. I got the PC to run Linux because I'm going to be learning Unix soon and I want a machine at home. I'm not willing to spend much for a PC so I got, brand new, a Leading Edge Fortive 5000. It has a Cyrix 486DX2/66 in it. I thought (and so did the salesman) that it was an Intel processor. I thought that the Cyrix chips were slower. Any comments on the Cyrix chip? Esp. for Linux. Also, what about Leading Edge? Any comments? Also, does anyone know of a Mac ADB to PS/2 keyboard adapter so I can use my excellent Apple keyboard instead of the $20 job they gave me with the Leading Edge? Lastly, this computer didn't come with any disks. Not even a CD with everything on it. It's setup with every driver and everything installed. Where can I find out what I can delete? There's about 265 meg free on the 420 meg drive. I know a lot of the applications that are installed (which I'm gonna delete) but what about the systems software? Thanks a ton to anyone who can help. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Marc Respass email_address_removed + + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/welcome.html + +----------------------------------------------------------+ + Check out the Joel Rivard Group home page at + + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/joelpage.html + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 23:01:24 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: instrumental on WDADU Message-ID: Minhaz said: >I was wondering ... what is the title of the instrumental on >the WDADU. The Ytsejam. Heh, heh. That's where the name of this list comes from. Cool, huh? Marc R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 22:02:37 EST From: INTERNET:email_address_removed@big12.metrobbs.com To: email_address_removed Subject: Stickers are here!!! Message-ID: Hey all you Ytsejamers!! The Dream Theater YTSEJAM (window) stickers are on the way. The date the stickers will be available is: 09-03-95(and ready for ship-out). Q: What do they look like and how can I get my own? A: They are 3x3 inches. Clear, (made for windows..ie:so you can place one on your car window for the whole world to see) The sticker is placed on the inside of your car. The top of the sticker has "Dream Theater written(curved printing) with readish ink). The middle of the sticker has the DT "symbol"(in black). On the bottom, it has "Ytsejam" written with redish ink(sideways). I am trying to get a picture on it on a Web page somewhere.(be patient bout that/any help out there?). There is a very limited printing of these stickers available. 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Automated Notice !!! ======================= E-mail replies to this user should have the following on the first line of message text: TO: INTERNET: email_address_removed ========================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 23:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: ACoS in Canada Message-ID: > I went to the HMV muisic store in Montreal and the canadian release > date for ACoS was listed 19-09....I asked for the promotionnal right on! i thought we'd have to wait a month longer than everyone else. > > BTW, in the intro to Scarred, JP solo sounds alot like > Satriani on the couples of last song of Flying in a blue DREAM, > anyone agree? that's what i thought when i heard it the first time....mabye it's because they both play an ibanez :) > tim a. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:35:23 +0200 From: email_address_removed.de (Bernd Basmer) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 929 Message-ID: Hi Jammers! This appeared on Michael Bahrs names-list of the Acoustic Dreams CD: >088 Brian Adams Hey! Nice name! Just in a joky mood today... No flames please. Bye. Bernd. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 16:17 +0300 From: Aviad Hay To: email_address_removed Subject: John Myung's solos, Anthony Jackson etc. Message-ID: Marc wrote: >I'm continuing my defense of Myung. I will agree that he's not being forced >to solo. But maybe he is, in a way. Sometimes you're playing and you aren't >comfortable with soloing but the current soloist finishes and gives you the >look and it's your solo and you gotta do it. And maybe it sucks for >whatever reason. It is apparent that you have a lot of Jazz blood in your veins. And that's great - but the situation where the last soloist gives you the look and you are FORCED to solo is known to me in the Jazz area. In ROCK, and in DT actually I presume the solo segments are carefully planned and measured - John Myung knew he was going to solo. I presume he also had some ideas before the show. But the fact remains: his ideas, thoughts, licks and whatever the hell he had chosen to present in the show in MILAN on the I&W tour was a bad piece of music. >Myung doesn't solo live. Someone asked him and he said he >didn't feel a need to. Probably he doesn't want to (or feel confident, >whatever). And that's the main problem. Why do you think John doesn't feel the need to solo or improvise or be in the center of the music and present his personal music while all of the great players emphasize on that? I like John Myung. I think he's an outstanding player. So why don't I get to hear John Myung's music instead of hearing his nice riffs and personal flavors in DT songs - maybe because there is no real John Myung music. There is just John Myung - doing bass lines for the band Dream Theater - putting his little ideas here and there. It's some sort of a disappointment to me - when I first heard DT songs and John Myung I thought there was a lot behind what John Myung does - like in all the players I knew before. But it appears I was wrong... >I remember reading an article with Anthony Jackson. He said that >if he doesn't want to solo and won't because it won't be good. Now that guy >can play (no matter how opinionated he is :) Anthony Jackson CAN play. I can't argue with that one. And he is also a professional player who knows what is good for the music. So he knows when to solo and when not too. But John Myung is not like that at all - his solo ruined the piece (which was rather nice), he's the exact opposite of Jackson - he doesn't know what's good for the music when it comes to soloing. >I never heard the jam with Myung's (non)solo but I wanted to throw out other >possibilities. What you say is true. But everyone isn't a soloist. I still >think that bass is a more difficult instrument on which to develop soloing >skills because you're foremost concerned with so many other things. So maybe you should listen to that Jam session. Everyone isn't a soloist - correct. So they don't solo. especially in the bass part - we do got a lot of things in mind - we got the rythme, melody and harmony all at once. And recently we started soloing as well. It's hard but it's good to have that hunger to touch every part of the music. >I mean, Petrucci, Derek, then what the hell is Myung gonna play to >follow those guys? If you're creative enough you can override everybody. Even solo monsters like Kevin Moore John Petrucci and Derek. If you believe in yourself you can make people say "wow" when the guitar and keys do their stuff and when you start doing you stuff they'll say: "Wow!!". >His influences are >also Irom Maiden and Rush. I don't listen to Iron Maiden but I've never >heard Geddy solo apart from embellishing a line in a song. So I may be >making excuses for him. Maybe he's a lousy soloist but I don't think being >a soloist is necessary to be fully explore his music. That's nice. So it's like when a serial killer that was mutilated as a child cannot be blamed? Besides, John myung goes against the flow all the time! first when he went to bass after the violin. then when he took that six string TOBIAS, even though the music he had known (Geddy Lee, Iron Maiden...) was a straight 4 string bass music. So what's that? The end? Now can he rest in piece? I don't think so. why not jump on that too? Zach wrote: >Actually, most of JP's solos don't really >do anything for me. The one in Erotomania (after the Bach part) >is one notably exception... I get chills (sartori). I know what you mean. /--\ \__/ || || || || || \\_||_// / ## \ | ## | \______/ "To B-Quad or not to B-Quad?, that is the question" - a.h. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:37:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "GENE (IT'S GOOD TO BE THE KING) SZUCS" To: email_address_removed Subject: Backup Message-ID: Hey, don't mean to be a pain, but I just got back and am wondering What's up in the wide, wacky world of DT. I had all my 'jams erased accidentally when I logged in, am am virtually lost with what's going on!! I know ACOS will be out soon, but don't know when, SO SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME!! -gene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:11:27 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Jeffrey Furry) To: email_address_removed Subject: Live Dream Theater Question Message-ID: I just got LATM this weekend and have been listening to it quite extensively. It got me wonder about something though. What does James do with himself during instrumental songs or long instrumental sections like Metropolis. Does he stand there quietly, does he go off-stage for a drink, or does he groove to the music? Just wondering, Jeffrey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:21:53 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT boot CDs... Message-ID: I found a place on the web that sell bootleg CDs very cheaply (only $16.99 per CD). They had a few DT CDs, so I thought I'd let people know about them. I have no idea how legitimate they are, but they do have a phone number you can call. Here's the URL: http://www.epix.net/homepage/cdtape/ Steve Info from their web pages: ---------------- ALL CDs ARE ONLY $16.99 PER CD, 2CDs WOULD BE $33.98, 3CDs $50.97, ETC SHIPPING & HANDLING IS ONLY $3.95 FROM 1 PC. TO INFINITY DREAM THEATER: S/T PALASESTO MILAN 11/15/93 2CDs LS MAJESTIC HARMONEY SWEDEN 10/27/93 2CDs WN? A KICK INTO A DREAM NYC 10/28/94 2CDs WN? WAKE UP JAPAN1995 2CDs WN? DANCE OF ETERNITY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 23:08 +0300 From: Aviad Shkolnikov To: email_address_removed Subject: VIXENs and soloing Message-ID: Hi everybody! Well, Will mentioned the band Vixen in the last digest. A little trivia question: How is Vixen connected to DT? Well, my friend Aviad Hay started the debate on soloing. I'd just like to say that I think that Portnoy's soloing is also very childish at times. I can only think about the solos in "Wake Up" and "Lost in the Sky", but they both demostrate my point perfectly: Mike's soloing is usualy nothing but a mindless array of fast chops and pointless "running around the kit" typo things. Oh, well... Take Care everyone - Aviad Shkolnikov ***************************************************************************** "We went shoping for God, * "See my diary on the news stand, and got the God of Shoping..." * Seems we lost the truth to quicksand" Galiano * Dream Theater, "Voices" ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 14:02:06 -0700 From: email_address_removed (John Hough) To: email_address_removed Subject: Internet CD's? Message-ID: I know there is the telnet "cdnow" and "cdconnection" but I don't have telnet access! Is there a rare record web page or a ftp site? Any help appreciated! Later ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ John Hough email_address_removed "Maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm right" "Maybe i'm some kind of lunatic" Queensryche - "Gonna get close to you ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:41:31 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Randall Braun) To: email_address_removed Message-ID: --For them that's requested info on DT shirts: This was posted a few months ago on the JAM: DT shirts: info from JAM 883 (see also 816): Jason Giles: email_address_removed WEB: www.crl.com/~jgiles/shirts.html ftp: ftp.crl.com/users/jg/jgiles, login: anonymous; password: This is dated 9 July 95, the post said a few shirts were still available at that time. I do not know if Jason has any more shorts, or has plans to print more. Please contact him. PS, I hope Jason doesn't flame me for this; just trying to be helpful. But if he gets enuf requests maybe he'll print more shirts??? >Old Trivia Answers: > >Got a number of requests for 'hard' 'Yes' trivia questions: OK, I have a >multi-parter that I'll have to give out in pieces, else it may not make >sense, or some of the clues may give the answers away; believe it or not, >if played out to the end, this trivia set ultimately has direct ties to >DT. > >Question Part one: What band was Patrick Moraz in before doing keys on >Yes' 'Relayer' album/tour? Answer is 'Refugee' ------------------------------ What was the name of the band that Moraz was in BEFORE the above mentioned earlier band? Answer is 'Mainhorse', this band also featured Jean Ristori, who was also mentioned as Prof. Ristori on PM's 'i' album In which progressive band did Moraz play AFTER Yes? Answer is 'Moody Blues' > >Another really unrelated Yes question that comes from the Moraz era with Yes: >Name all five solo projects that all the then current members of Yes >recorded during this era. Jon Anderson: Olias of Sunhillow (concept album) Steve Howe: Beginnings Chris Squire: Fish Out of Water Alan White: Ramshackled Patric Moraz: i -'a stylized letter 'i' font?': also concept album New Triva Question: Part Two: In The Nice, Keith Emerson was famous for what musical piece which was taken from which Broadway musical by which late famous composer/conductor? Note: KE still plays this as part of his encore medley with ELP. Which other well-known rockband (not necess. prog) also plays(played) a piece based on the above mentioned Broadway musical? (hint the original composer's name was included in the song credits) What other group played a song by the same name as that of the above mentioned piece by KE/Nice? Although this song has the same name, it was compsed by which other contemporary artist? What is the historical significance of this song? Who was the other member of The NICE (besides KE, Lee Jackson & Brian Davison) and which band did he go to after he left The NICE? Name other famous members of this latter band. On which Black Sabbath song(s) did Rick Wakeman play? I also liked the other triva questioins that were asked/answered by others. Steve Howe played that guitar part on Queen's Innuendo? I think DT might do a good cover of this song. > >---Also mentioned in earlier JAM threads were the performances of Yanni >and other 'progessive' artist on PBS, especially during pledge breaks. My >local PBS station (Fresno area) will be showing this FRIDAY, the 18th, a >'Kitaro' video __Kitaro video was pretty good, some of it sounded alot like Pink Floyd, but they broke it up with pledge breaks, makes for a crappier VCR tape. --DT's top 100? have they officially recorded that many yet? well maybe if you count all the commercial & boot versions separately.... --On JAM 924, quuoting Zach:"I'm adopted too. (WE ARE LEGION)" I hope he wasn't referring to (the Gospel attributed to) Mark 5:9ff If u got one, dust the cover, oil the hinges and page to this Biblical reference. --Randall L. Braun, the Lone D'Ranger 'What she is not, I can easily perceive, what she is, I fear, it is impossible to say.' -- E. A. Poe 'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is mangled and torn!' -- Anne Morrow Lindbergh 'When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.' -- Shirley Chisholm, former member of the US Congress ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 930 *************************