YTSEJAM Digest 928 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Overdubs on "ACOS" EP by email_address_removed.fr (St\iphane Auzilleau) 2) Re: Another Day by email_address_removed 3) Myung's solo by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 4) T-Shirts by Ben Kobashigawa 5) ytsejam subscribe by email_address_removed (Wayne Lichte) 6) Tapes by "Steven Johnson, P" 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 927 by William T Bajzek 8) To Live Forever by email_address_removed (gary ake) 9) Re: CHECK OUT THIS BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by toscano richard 10) ACOS by John Nguyen 11) ACoS + Shadow Gallery, etc... by email_address_removed 12) Re: Overdubs on "ACOS" EP by Andrew Keegan 13) HELP!!! Guitarists out there?!? by William Kriski 14) Re: a few random thoughts... by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:02:32 GMT From: email_address_removed.fr (St\iphane Auzilleau) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Overdubs on "ACOS" EP Message-ID: I was quietly listening to the advance tape of "ACOS" when something amazed me. What! Vocals on the Zep medley? I was at the Ronnie Scott's show (an incredible moment) and I am absolutely sure that James did not sing during this medley. Why did they ad some vocals? I don't know... But it sounds great! The DT fans will be happy to hear that and it is more interesting than only instrumental. Maybe they did other overdubs, but it is difficult to find. I think they chose to give a "perfect product" instead of a "real" product. Who can blame them for this choice? Not me... Perhaps could they release the whole show, with no overdubs, for the die-hard fans, through the net for example. Wait for the Japanese version that will include 3 more tracks from the Ronnie Scott's: Red hill town (U2), Damage Inc. (Metallica) and Tears (Rush). These 3 tracks should appear on a separate Cd in Europe. I don't know for the States. One last thing, for those who have some doubts: James is a great live singer. He sang like a God during the Wake Up Summer Tour. Very very impressive!! I never saw such great vocals. Bye for now, Stephane Dutilleux Guillaume Laboratoire des Sciences de l'Habitat Ecole Nationale des Travaux Publics de l'Etat rue Maurice Audin F-69518 Vaulx-en-Velin, France phone : ++33 72 04 70 37 fax : ++33 72 04 70 41 e-mail : email_address_removed.fr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:31:28 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Another Day Message-ID: >Has ANYONE got or heard any of the other >six. He certainly blew JP and JL away with them, and the >two I've (and >all of you with I&W + LiJ) heard were pretty awesome, so >what about it? Not unless you can go out and find the actual studio master and pull them off yourself. =) They're probably on tape somewhere, but, what got mixed down as the sax part on it is obviously what Prater felt was best - considering that the album was mixed without them there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:35:32 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: Myung's solo Message-ID: Aviad, I'm continuing my defense of Myung. I will agree that he's not being forced to solo. But maybe he is, in a way. Sometimes you're playing and you aren't comfortable with soloing but the current soloist finishes and gives you the look and it's your solo and you gotta do it. And maybe it sucks for whatever reason. Myung doen't solo live. Someone asked him and he said he didn't feel a need to. Probably he doesn't want to (or feel confident, whatever). I remember reading an article with Anthony Jackson. He said that if he doesn't want to solo and won't because it won't be good. Now that guy can play (no matter how opinionated he is :), but sometimes he isn't comfortable soloing. When I'm playing jazz, I sometimes feel like getting a good line down is enough of a solo for me. I mean, I'm improvising every note as we play. In a rock band, I may not be in a solo mood for what's being played. I just might not have anything to say on the subject. I never heard the jam with Myung's (non)solo but I wanted to throw out other possiblities. What you say is true. But everyone isn't a soloist. I still think that bass is a more difficult instrument on which to develop soloing skills because you're foremost concerned with so many other things. Guitarists, OTOH, are expected to solo right away and they work on that a lot. Additionally, a lot of bassists can feel self-conscious about soloing. A lot of times, the bass solo falls flat. I mean, Petrucci, Derek, then what the hell is Myung gonna play to follow those guys? His influences are also Irom Maiden and Rush. I don't listen to Iron Maiden but I've never heard Geddy solo apart from embellishing a line in a song. So I may be making excuses for him. Maybe he's a lousy soloist but I don't think being a soloist is neccessary to be fully explore his music. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Marc Respass email_address_removed + + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/welcome.html + +----------------------------------------------------------+ + Check out the Joel Rivard Group home page at + + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/joelpage.html + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:22:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Kobashigawa To: email_address_removed Subject: T-Shirts Message-ID: After seeing all these messages, I must assume, that the last set of T-shirts are no longer being sold. Therefore, it is time for another round. I would do it myself, if I had the money to make such an investment, but I don't. All it really requires is time, money, and an artist friend. And the money part is just a temporary investment. I'm sure you would get it back from selling the shirts. I thought a really cool design would be this: Plain black t-shirt, with a little burning heart emblem on the front left. Then, on the back, the Dream Theater symbol painted in reflective black, as on the Images and Words album. Under the black symbol, "Ytsejam" would be printed in a logo similar to the one on the more recent DT stuff, in red. Then on top of the symbol, a short quote of choice taste. Then under the burning heart, in tiny letters: "email_address_removed". So what do you think? I'm not too much of a fan of Dominici's voice, so I don't listen to WDADU very much, but just the other day, I put it on and heard "The Killing hand". The first 1:30 is incredibly awesome. It's just so incredibly cool! But then when the lyrics come in, it really starts to blow. It's not even just Dominici that I have trouble with then, but just the lyric-line in general. Oh well, C'est la guerre. -Jun-Dai Bates, returned to the West Coast ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:32:03 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Wayne Lichte) To: email_address_removed Subject: ytsejam subscribe Message-ID: subscribe @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ Wayne Lichte [ email_address_removed ] @ @ @ @ The woman, she keeps me happy. The volleyball, she keeps me in pain. @ @ The computers, they keep me paid, and the band, the band keeps me poor. @ @ @ @ TOO BONE IDLE / SHAG - coming to assault your ears everywhere, soon. @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Aug 1995 08:47:08 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" To: email_address_removed Subject: Tapes Message-ID: Is this guy cool or what?!!?!?! Thanks to John and Tim Lodge (Instrumental I and II -- they kick ass!!!!!) and Mike Bahr (Acoustic Dreams coming!!!) I am making great strides in beefing up my non-existent "alternative" DT collection!!! Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- "Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound. Raindrops taste like tears without the pain." -- Queensryche *** Forwarding note from KOGGIE --INTERNET 08/19/95 21:09 *** From: John R. Kotzian To: ZSVJ01 --CTSVMC JOHNSON, STEVE Subject: Tapes Your tapes went out Friday at 2:30 pm. I added some rare tracks on the B-side of the Majesty demo, because the Majesty Demo only took up one side. I also sent along Color Photocopies of the CD jackets and regular copies of the Lyrics and Info. I hope You Like it. Enjoy. -John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Bajzek To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 927 Message-ID: re: shadow gallery > WOW! I have heard one song from these guys and they are incredible! They are identical to DT! I could tell any one of you guys this song was written by DT and except for the vocals you would belive it. And the vocalist is incredible also. He sounds alot like James, but IMO better. He has just a tad more crunch in his voice. If DT ever got a new singer they should get him (but I'm not suggesting that at all, I love James' voice). < they are *not* identical to DT and after listening to the cd about 12 times i dont see any resemblance between the singer and james.... especially when this guy tries to hit a high note... he only trfied once and its kinda hard to listen to. i agree that the sound is somewhere between wdadu and i&w but they're not 'identical' and they're very different musically and lyrically. most of the resemblance is in the sound and the style somewhat. if you want to know ------william bajzek------ and if you want to know just what i see ---http://phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu/--- where we're going look at yourself --------------~wb2a/-------------- keep your distance and dont ask me ---------guitars, aepithex--------- and dont follow me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:54:33 -0400 From: email_address_removed (gary ake) To: email_address_removed Subject: To Live Forever Message-ID: Hey does anybody know any CDs Live or Studio versions of the DT song " To Live Forever ". I just got the Dt video "Live In Japan" and I think that song is awesome. By the way does anybody think Emerson, Lake and Palmer is Progressive . Just wondering. Seeya....... Gary Ake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 08:00:30 PDT From: toscano richard To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: CHECK OUT THIS BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!SHADOW GALLERY!!!!!!!!!!!! > > WOW! I have heard one song from these guys and they are incredible! They > are identical to DT! I could tell any one of you guys this song was written > by DT and except for the vocals you would belive it. And the vocalist is > incredible also. He sounds alot like James, but IMO better. He has just a > tad more crunch in his voice. If DT ever got a new singer they should get > him (but I'm not suggesting that at all, I love James' voice). The CD Now > store carries this for $13.95. If you dont know how to get there the link > is on my page (http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html) under the > "Music and Bands" section. I will put on a sound file of them sometime soon > so check it out! I will also add some more DT sound bites, probably wav > files. > I feel compelled to offer a somewhat dissenting opinion here. I have heard scads of great reviews for these guys on the net, with no negatives at all. So I picked up the CD with great anticipation and was quite dissapointed. I agree that they are similar to Dream Theater in sound/style, but their songwriting skills aren't even in the same league. There is no chance that I would believe that one of their songs was a DT song. Another problem is frequent descents 80's glam metal sounds. I would be more likely to confuse them with Winger than DT. This is not to say they are without merit. There are some very cool songs on the album, and the guitar solos are consistently very tasty. The singer is quite good. But I just wanted to disagree with what is seemingly the unanmous opinion of the net, because I don't want others to be dissapointed like I was. Rich -------------------------------------------------------------- Rich Toscano - email_address_removed San Diego Supercomputer Center User Services http://www.sdsc.edu/SDSC/Staff/toscano/toscano.html -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:59:09 -0500 (CDT) From: John Nguyen To: email_address_removed Subject: ACOS Message-ID: Hello to all JAMMERS and happy start-of-semester :( ! Anyway, this goes to Mike Bahr or anyone else who has heard the studio version of ACOS. Does James sing in his clean voice or his growling voice. I mean, was it like I&W or like AWAKE? Just curious as to where James is taking his vocal style. John Nguyen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: ACoS + Shadow Gallery, etc... Message-ID: Hi, OK, I can't wait any longer... ;-) I'm listening to ACoS now (from Dance of Eternity) and that one section in the middle around 15:30-16:20 has once again blown me away... (The instrumental section where the keys and guitar are flying and then Kevin has a gut wrenching solo and everything comes back together... Well, OK, that probably happens more than once in ACoS ;-) but this particular section grabs me away from whatever I'm doing every single time. I love it!!). Anyway, to those of you who have been fortunate enough to hear a promo of the new ACoS EP already, I was wondering (hoping!) if this section was still in there. The harmonies that the guitar and keys create are just phenomonal and I worry that they might not sound as good if they're changed much.... I was going to wait to hear it for myself, but after hearing it again just now I could wait no longer... Thanks for any feedback! On the subject of Shadow Gallery, I agree that DT fans have to pick up their "Carved in Stone" album -- I'm sure many will like it. I like it quite a bit, but I'm afraid that it isn't going to last that long for me. We'll see though. One thing is that though they do sound somewhat similar to DT, don't expect them to be as good going in... Don't expect too much or you may be disappointed. If you like Shadow Gallery, you should also pick up albums by the other two bands on the Magna Carta label: "Magellan" and "Cairo". They are not as similar to DT as Shadow Gallery but they both have excellent music. I especially love Magellan's albums -- if anyone wants to hear a sampler of any of those Magna Carta bands (or other stuff) just drop me some email. I could probably do them for free if I don't get too many requests (or for tape trades). I can't afford the time to do custom samplers for everyone, but I'll put together one or two tapes that should give a representative sample. BTW, I was able to find Shadow Gallery in Baltimore, MD at a place called "Planet Music" (a huge music store). There was only one copy, but I know they can order it (I've also seen Magellan and Cairo at that store). The online stores have Shadow Gallery too. The Magna Carta label is also coming out with a "Tribute to Yes" album (not sure of the title) which will have a bunch of Yes songs done by the Magna Carta bands and maybe a few other bands. It is supposed to be out toward the end of September I believe. So, let me know if you want to hear a sampler of the Magna Carta bands and what other bands you want to hear. Send the email directly to me. Steve email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 17:08:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Overdubs on "ACOS" EP Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Aug 1995 email_address_removed.fr wrote: > I was quietly listening to the advance tape of "ACOS" when something amazed > me. What! Vocals on the Zep medley? I was at the Ronnie Scott's show (an > incredible moment) and I am absolutely sure that James did not sing during > this medley. Why did they ad some vocals? I don't know... But it sounds > great! The DT fans will be happy to hear that and it is more interesting > than only instrumental. > Maybe they did other overdubs, but it is difficult to find. If they added vocals, then they MUST have done some other stuff. I didn't even realize that it was different from the RS gig, but I haven't really listened to the Zep medley. I'm kinda bummed that the PMU riff isn't at the end of the Big Medley. :( There's no production credits for the advance CD. Was it Prater? Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 19:21:53 -0600 (MDT) From: William Kriski To: email_address_removed Subject: HELP!!! Guitarists out there?!? Message-ID: To all guitar-playing 'jammers, Have any of you entered any guitar contests where you had to send in a tape of your playing? The reason I ask this is I need some opinions on what is the best attitude to take towards the contest. They want a 92 second sample displaying style, techical ability and originality. It would be easy to shred for 90 seconds, but I was thinking of incorporating different components into the sample. Also, do you think I should record it in parts or do it all in one take? I'm not sure whether to include backing tracks or just do a raw take (you know, feel versus planned soloing). Any input would be much appreciated! email_address_removed.ca Will ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 19:07:01 PDT From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: a few random thoughts... Message-ID: > I was surprised to Aviad say that he preferred the emotional aspects > of the UaGM solo to the solo in Another Day, for instance. While the > Another Day solo may not be the most technically demanding, but I feel > much more of a tug from the AD solo than the UaGM solo. I always have > to hold my breath for the really fast scale in AD. UaGM seems more like > JP is just working the fretboard like a typewriter. Not that there's > anything wrong with that. Strangely enough, the UAGM solo always got on my nerves. I can't stand the beginning, especially. I can't explain it, just an emotional response. Actually, most of JP's solos don't really do anything for me. The one in Erotomania (after the Bach part) is one notably exception... I get chills (sartori). > Speaking of the hair, I noticed that jammers commented that they would > cut theirs, Well, if I had it... > even for Cindy Crawford. I wouldn't either, Nope. Generic good looks, no charisma. > but I might for Helen Hunt... Probably. Anyone remember her from those _Jack Deth_ movies? >Teri Hatcher... Definitely, one classy lady. >maybe Sandra Bullock... Of course! Another might be Madchen Amick... Zach ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 928 *************************