YTSEJAM Digest 917 Today's Topics: 1) DT/Maiden, Back Pain by email_address_removed (Monty) 2) News by email_address_removed 3) Re:Providence Show by "Chad L. Cook" 4) more Maiden/DT - long songs by email_address_removed (Monty) 5) Yo by John Mastin 6) Derek's short hair by Corporate Community Relations 7) ethnicity by Nathan Benjamin Meezan 8) #ytsejam - DT in Giant by "John Jens, Jr." 9) Providence by email_address_removed (David B. Kuznick) 10) Last word on the zine and lefty drummers by email_address_removed 11) YTSEJAM digest 916 by Erik Wolfe 12) LH drunmmers by euan@waikato.ac.nz (Euan Kilgour) 13) ethnicity by email_address_removed (Stacie Rosenzweig) 14) Left hands by email_address_removed 15) Random things (ytsejam post) (fwd) by nguyen john t 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 916 by Dave Silva 17) Re: ethnicity by Tymoteusz Altman 18) Re: LH drunmmers by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 19) stickers... by email_address_removed 20) Ethnic Backgrounds... by Ramin Miraffabi 21) Left-handed drummers by "Ken H ili" 22) Hair by "Ken H ili" 23) PMU as .mod (at last!) by Magnus Enbom 24) power outage by email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 23:11:59 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Monty) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT/Maiden, Back Pain Message-ID: First of all, I just thought I'd point out another DT/Maiden connection. I can't remember the name of the song, but there was a song on the Majesty Demos (anyone willing to make a copy for me?) that had some pretty strong references to the classic sci-fi novel "Dune," by Frank Herbert (another case of the book being much better than the movie). "To Tame a Land," by Maiden is taken from the same book. Did someone mention that they would like to hear DT cover this tune? I can;t remember, but that would sound cool nonetheless. Also, what exactly is the Back Pain jam? I have a copy of Subconscious (taped copy), and couldn't tell what was being said in the background. If anyone can answer this for me, it would be helpful (and I believe someone said they were at the show where it originated, so I'm sure they could help). Oh, BTW, I'm your basic American caucasian. I do have Scotch/English/Irish/French roots. It seems that DT does have a rather wide appeal when it comes to ethnic groups and such. That's totally cool. Anyway, please let me know about this stuff. I really appreciate it. Thanks in advance. God bless. A man who's made instant fans with his colourful, crowd-pleasing style, Dale R. Newberry "Everything seemed a lot bigger the last time I was here." -The Maxx P.S. Left-handed drummers: Ted Kirkpatrick of Tourniquet (excellent - if you haven't heard him, you need to) Phil Collins (I think) Rod Morgenstein (maybe) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 16:30:20 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: News Message-ID: I don't know if I'm the first to post this but, . . . Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead was found dead of a heart attack this morning. That sucks, Tom "The spider in the window" | "The angel in the pool" | "The old man takes the poison" | Tom Tubbiola "Now the widow makes the rules"| email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:01:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chad L. Cook" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:Providence Show Message-ID: I thought the sound at the Prov. Show absolutely ruled! I had earplugs (too) and everything was crystal clear... One of my friends didn't have earplugs and thought it was perfectly clear (until after the show where *nothing* was clear..heh)... I was about 4th row (equivalent) standing in the middle... I second that motion for tall people to let us short folk in front! DT are gods! Chad PS how many people besides me actually wear earplugs to shows? (not only DT) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | == ====== ============== Chad L. Cook | | == ====== ============== System Administrator | | == == == == email_address_removed | | == == == == == == == | | == == == == == == == Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. | | == == == == == Systems and Technologies Division | | ========================== 10 Moulton St. | | ========================== Cambridge, MA 02138 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:13:12 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Monty) To: email_address_removed Subject: more Maiden/DT - long songs Message-ID: I just read a transcript of an IRC interview with MP and JM last night on one of the great DT web pages. In it, MP (I think) mentioned one time when DT covered IM's "The Trooper" on a radio jam broadcast in Indianapolis. If anyone has this, would you PLEASE copy it for me. I would really like to hear this. Also, about the long songs (old thread, I know), two more I thought of are "Trilogy of Knpwledge," by Believer on the album Dimensions (I'm not sure how long it is exactly, but it takes up the entire side 2 of the tape) and the classic heavy acid rock tune "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida," by Iron Butterfly, which clocks in at 17:05 (approx.) on the studio version, and something like 19:00 on the live album. I'd say that classifies as long. Oh yeah, another Maiden tune, "Rime of the Ancient Mariner," which is somewhere around 13:00. Still wanting to hear the Ronnie Scotts gig, Dale R. Newberry "A new heart is what I need, oh, God, make it bleed." -U2 from "Like a Song..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:25:17 -0400 From: John Mastin To: email_address_removed Subject: Yo Message-ID: Steve Johnson wrote: > I don't know computers much....and I don't like boxing....and I like hockey > when the PLAY....but Johnny's flame regarding the InterPhone and "picking on > the wrong computer geek" just made my day!!! I don't condone this behavior, > nor (from what I can tell) does Johnny. And I don't mean to team up, but in > general it was good reading. I hope I don't ever have to giggle from that > kind of text again on this list, but thanks for the one-timer. LATER- > Thanks, I wasn't sure if I would have been flogged for flaming that guy. Normally, I'm just easy going but this guy really got me. :D I only posted the RFE stuff for people who might have been interested. If RFE was going to get people in trouble by using it, I wouldn't have posted about it. I'm a sys-admin and I know what it is like when users run amuck with stuff. I saw that this wasn't detrimental to the system (or network) so I went ahead and posted it. I wouldn't want anyone on the YJ to get into unnecessary trouble. :D People on this list are generally competent in that they talk about. Be it music, philosophy, computers, whatever. I just thought that this guy just capped off and didn't have any concrete proof to back up what he had to say. And he directed it in a nasty way at me. I don't go around spouting off about recording techniques, time changes in the Mirror, etc, stuff I have no real knowledge about. It would have been wrong for me to say, *Hey Hairball, I think your friggin' nuts to boost the 100Hz gain to really bring in the lows. I think you should just cut the highs. That's what I did on my Kraco car stereo and it works fine. You soundheads are the reason why DAT prices are the way they are.* See what I mean? That's what irritated me. :) To support another thread that has been going around on the YJ: I'm 27, 1/2 Korean (mom), 1/4 Italian, 1/4 Hungarian (dad), 182lbs, 17" neck, 46" chest, 34" waist, 39" butt, black hair, brown eyes, olive skin, likes long walks on the beach, computers and weightlifting .....ooops! That was a little too much information! Ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!! :D Enough of me wasting your bandwidth! Take care, Johnny _______________________________________________________________________ Did you know that the Sega Saturn has a higher performance processor than the original 1976 Cray supercomputer; which in its day was accessible to only the most elite physicists? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 09:35:09 EDT From: Corporate Community Relations To: email_address_removed Subject: Derek's short hair Message-ID: Mark Respass wrote: >(facing the stage). Anyway, Derek was awesome too. Still has that short >hair. I don't know what that's about but he's a great keyboard player. I've known Derek since 1982, and he has ALWAYS looked exactly like he does now!! Do I think his image will change now that he's in DT? No. It didn't change when he was with Alice, either. Happy rails, .... Buck .++++++++.\ -- .+++. .+++++++++++++++.\ ... .+++++++. .+++++++++++++++++++++.\ .+++++. .+++++++++++. .+++++++++++++++++++++++++++. .+++++++++. .++++++ William J. Buckley, Jr. +++++++++++++++++++. .+++++++++++++...++++++++ email_address_removed ++++++++++++++++++++++. ----------------------------- email_address_removed --------------------------- ----- Support an American Tradition ... RIDE MORE ROLLER COASTERS !!!!! ----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 06:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Benjamin Meezan To: email_address_removed Subject: ethnicity Message-ID: Howdy y'all, I'm half Greek, half French (does that make me a Freek?), or, more simply, I'm white and hairy. Just thought I'd share that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathan Meezan email- email_address_removed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:49:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Jens, Jr." To: email_address_removed Subject: #ytsejam - DT in Giant Message-ID: howdy folx, it's been a couple of weeks since i posted. last week was not a good week for me and this one hasn't been any better. i missed Marrillion, echolyn and Primus last week. then to find out DT's not gonna tour for aCoS...life sux right now! anyway, tBFKaYJ (the bot formerly known as YtseJam) on the IRC channel #ytsejam is more or less dead; as is my connection to the rest of the world from work. so if nuggetman wants to take ovr: it's yers. i still have all the info of the ppl who came on and will gladly pass it on to the new bot-owner. DT in Giant: first off, Giant is a local chain of grocery stores here in the Wash DC metro area. anywa, i was getting stuff for dinner last nite when all of a sudden i hear a rather large longhaired-redneck burst into PMU. at first i dint know why he was singing until he pointed at my DT shirt from the Pier6 show in Baltimore. he smiled and said something like "awesome!" then contiuned down the isle singing to himself. just thought i'd pass that along :) speaking of shirts, does anybody have a list of all the DT shirts, official and unofficial? later, john the american/swedish/german/danish/scottish/souix john c. jens jr. email_address_removed http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/ 'everyone's black when the lights are turned out' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 09:33:52 -0400 From: email_address_removed (David B. Kuznick) To: email_address_removed Subject: Providence Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 22:48:59 -0500 > From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) > > > > Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 11:39:24 EDT > > > From: James Utz 04-Aug-1995 1126 > > > > > > This is my guess at the setlist from last night's show. It was an > > > excellent concert all around. > > > >Really? I thought the sound quality was one of the worst of any show > >EVER and the volume was WAY too excessive. I was wearing earplugs and > >my ears *still* hurt the next day. NO excuse for that. If that was > >the band's own sound-man, he should be fired immediately. > > That's wierd. I had earplugs in too but I heard everything great. Every > instrument (including LaBrie's) came through clearly and my ears were fine > immediately after the show. I was expecting it too be way too loud but it > was a great sound. I thought the sound man did a great job. BTW, no one > mentioned that they played Eve over the PA as the lights came on after the > show. Yes, that was very cool. > > > > James' voice was incredible. > > > >When I could finally hear it towards the end of the show, he did > >indeed sound in good form. When I could hear Derek, he also sounded > >quite good (esp. since I was expecting less than good after some of > >the slagging he's recieved here). > > I could hear everyone all the time. Where were you standing? I was on the > lower part but near the stairs as you come down and on the left side > (facing the stage). I was about 15 feet in front of the stairs right in the middle. Weird. Anyway, Derek was awesome too. Still has that short > hair. I don't know what that's about Hey! What's wrong w/ short hair??!! but he's a great keyboard player. I > just wish I could've seen him better. I think all the tall people should > have to stand behind me :). Me too. :-) David Kuznick - email_address_removed (preferred) or email_address_removed So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:00:21 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Last word on the zine and lefty drummers Message-ID: >Is this something published in conjunction with the DT Fan Club? >I wouldn't know, I'm not a member (although they cashed my check, >I just never got anything for it?!). While I answered this note via email, I thought I'd address this part publicly for the benefit of the Jam as well: I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FAN CLUB! This is entirely a result of *my own* efforts for the past year and a half. In fact, I wonder if that cute little disclaimer in the band history included with the fan club merchandise about not being affiliated with any other organization bearing the DT name was in reference to myself and the numerous European DT fanzines... >The only drummer I can think of offhand who's a lefty >is Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs), though, ideally, a drummer ought >to be able to play leading with either hand or limb. Ian Haugland, who was in the once-popular commercial rock band Europe many moons ago, is also a lefty. I think he's back in his original band, Trilogy - guess that means that hand of his that got completely busted up in the car accident a few years back is functional again! Jaime the Dragon, who's about as Welsh as one gets without the birth certificate! (and a number of other nationalities in very small quantities, too) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 95 16:03:31 EDT From: Erik Wolfe To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@arastar.com" Subject: YTSEJAM digest 916 Message-ID: This is to the guy who wants to run OS/2 and Win 95 on the same system.... 2 points: A> No, it's not possible b> If it were, why would you want to? Win 95 blows OS/2 out of the water! Plus, if you don't like it, all you have to do is delete it. Unlike OS/2 where it re-partitions the HD...you must do a low-level format to dump it. Anyways, back to the DT please... -------------------------- Erik "Feeling threatened? We reflect your hopes and fears." - Dream Theater..."Voices" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 08:39:24 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz (Euan Kilgour) To: email_address_removed Subject: LH drunmmers Message-ID: >> The only drummer I can think of offhand who's a lefty >> is Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs), though, ideally, a drummer ought >> to be able to play leading with either hand or limb. > > >The only other lefty rock drummer that I can think of would be Phil >Collins. He's getting on now, but Ian Paice from Deep Purple is a lefty drummer - IMHO a good one too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 17:05:30 +22299548 (CDT) From: email_address_removed (Stacie Rosenzweig) To: email_address_removed Subject: ethnicity Message-ID: Well, I don't exactly know what your definition of ethnicity is (some people say it's color, religion, or nationality...I dunno), but here goes: I'm white, of Polish, Russian, some British, and my last name's German, descent. I'm American, born Jewish but don't practice. Hey, that spawns another interesteing question: How many religions are represented here? It's interesting because DT, while not a "christian band," per se, (not like Stryper [hehe] or even Galactic Cowboys[who I do like, even though they're anti-choice (OH NO!! PC-ISM!!!), anyway), has lots of religious (or is it spiritual?) imagery. For some reason, I don't feel left out, though -- I still appreciate the images. How many other non-Christians, or non-religious people feel the same way? Hmmm (getting too philosophical), Stacie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 18:53:18 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Left hands Message-ID: Have you ever heard of 'stride piano'? It's a kind of piano- playing dominated almost entirely by the left hand. If I recall correctly, it's sort of jazzy/rock sort of stuff. Then there's Ravel's piano concerto for the left hand, which, if I recall correctly, was not so much written for a left-handed pianist, but for a one-handed pianist. Then there's Bach. In creating counterpoint, he forced his keyboardists to be equally good in the left hand as the right. But I would never say that being left handed is an advantage in the world of music. I think I'd like to hear more instrumentals from Dream Theater. I mean songs that were written as instrumentals, not songs played solely by instruments. Any one feel the same way?? As for ethnicity, I am 1/4 Japanese-American, 1/4 Okinawan- American, 1/4 Scottish-American, 1/4 mixed white-American. Born in Scotland raised in SF. Enough blather: -Jun-Dai Bates ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 18:15:29 -0500 (CDT) From: nguyen john t To: email_address_removed Subject: Random things (ytsejam post) (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:28:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Dietrick Miller To: "John T. Nguyen" Subject: Random things (ytsejam post) First of all ECHOLYN has been released on Sony 550 not Epic. Second what the hell is the big medley, that is going to appear on the Change of Seasons EP. It better be the Steve Howe stuff, because if that album has no Yes stuff on it I'm going to be majorly pissed off. Third talk about being pissed off, WhO the FUCK cares about the word FUCK God Damn it. Just leave it in the SONG. Later, Andy Andrew Miller email_address_removed University Of Delaware V-mail (302) 831-4000 ext.87397 ******************************* If I stood on your shoulder and wispered in your ear, Truth is you still won't hear. -echolyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 23:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Silva To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 916 Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Aug 1995, Erik Wolfe wrote: > This is to the guy who wants to run OS/2 and Win 95 on the same system.... > > 2 points: > A> No, it's not possible > b> If it were, why would you want to? > Win 95 blows OS/2 out of the water! One last point. I know someone who set up his system so that when the PC wqs initially turned on, he was asked whether he wanted to run Windows, OS2, or DOS. I'm not sure what he did, but I saw it work so I know it's possible. Later, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:13:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: ethnicity Message-ID: > I'm white, of Polish, Russian, some British, and my last name's German, > descent. I'm American, born Jewish but don't practice. i'm almost exactly the same...my dad was born in Russia (but lived in Poland)...his family is Jewish...my mom was Polish from a Catholic family. I was born in Poland, and moved to canada when i was 10. I have no religious beliefs. and my last name could be either Jewish or German :) > > don't feel left out, though -- I still appreciate the images. How many > other non-Christians, or non-religious people feel the same way? i don't mind the references at all...i love Eve with samples for example. as long as it's not blatant preaching, then it's ok with me. > tim a. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:43:48 PDT From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LH drunmmers Message-ID: There's also Simon Phillips who is ambidextrious... -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ REAL: email_address_removed + VIRTUAL: email_address_removed *@#$*@#$ *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 23:00:31 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: stickers... Message-ID: Hey all.. The window (clear) DT stickers are almost here. I am going on vacation for a few days..but if you are interested..write me..I will let you know where to get ya one! There also should be a picture on the Web. I will keep you posted. Dont forget to write MTV and call your local radio station to request DT! See ya! email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:04:45 +0300 (EET DST) From: Ramin Miraffabi To: email_address_removed (Dream Theater Mailing List) Subject: Ethnic Backgrounds... Message-ID: Hi all!!! Been silent for quite awhile, but here goes... I love Subcon!!! Got listened to and loved it!!! I'm an almost 19 year old computer science student at Joensuu University, and a non-Finn... My mom is american, which means half Finnish, fourth norwegian and german, and my dad is persian, so... Happy Landings Earth People!!!! Ramin http://dawn.joensuu.fi/~ramin/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 08:23:06 GMT+0100 From: "Ken H ili" To: email_address_removed Subject: Left-handed drummers Message-ID: Greetings! "'Door Prize' R. Ananda" wrote: <<>> Mike "Puffy" Bordin of Faith No More plays left-handed on a right-handed drum-kit. And I think Phil Collins is left-handed as well, but I'm not sure... can't remember. Personally I play both ways. Ken the Slave, tall, blond - YES - it's the stereotypical Norwegian Viking! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:17:21 GMT+0100 From: "Ken H ili" To: email_address_removed Subject: Hair Message-ID: Marc Respass wrote: <<< Anyway, Derek was awesome too. Still has that short hair. I don't know what that's about but he's a great keyboard player.>>> Eh, would he be even better if he had long hair???? Yours confused, Ken the Slave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:57:14 +0200 (EET DST) From: Magnus Enbom To: email_address_removed Subject: PMU as .mod (at last!) Message-ID: Hello fellow jammers! I've finally uploaded pmu_drums.mod ,it's available at: ftp.luth.se/pub/msdos/demos_upload/pmu_drums.mod Sorry for the long delay but now it's finally up! Current work in progress is TTT and Lie and PMU with bass and keys. Take care ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 07:39:18 +0800 From: email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) To: freaks, sylvian, ytsejam Subject: power outage Message-ID: There were two power outages last night--the second one happened while the mailing list server was processing requests. If your request is not acknowledged in the next 4 hours, please resubmit your request. (No posts to lists should have been lost. But if you think yours is lost, email email_address_removed tomorrow and I will verify if it made it into the appropriate digest.) Sorry for the inconvenience. The power will, hopefully, return to reliability. -- Ken Bibb "If the boundary breaks I'm no longer alone email_address_removed Don't discourage me email_address_removed Bring out the stars/On the first day" David Sylvian--"The First Day" ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 917 *************************