YTSEJAM Digest 904 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 903 by email_address_removed 2) RE: Providence gig by Corporate Community Relations 3) who's the most important person in the band by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 4) RE: YTSEJAM digest 903 by email_address_removed 5) Ronnie Scotts Gig by email_address_removed 6) CPI by email_address_removed 7) Hi You out there!!!! by email_address_removed.se (Jan Melander) 8) Re: CPI by jbako01 9) Re[2]: Lyrics to ACOS by email_address_removed 10) Re: Prog music etc... by euan@waikato.ac.nz 11) Re: CPI by Andrew Keegan 12) Re: Boot question by Andrew Keegan 13) Fates Warning ** NDTC ** by email_address_removed (tooler) 14) Re: Mike's multitute of projects by email_address_removed (tooler) 15) Bassist Thread by "Dan Tshin" 16) DT: DEMO CD'S: Majesty 86, Instrumental, Instrumental II, RP! by CCSU '95 ALUMNI QUINNIPIAC LAW '98 17) AD by nguyen john t 18) JP's acoustic guitar. by Aviad Hay 19) Re: Boot question and More (not Moore) by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 20) IRC info by email_address_removed (Randall Braun) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 09:04:54 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 903 Message-ID: Greetings Earthlings, it's Babs (sorry couldn't resist - Marvin the Martian is my favorite Looney Tunes character). I need to direct this post to a person who emailed me before the convention. His name was M. McIntosh. At first I wasn't sure if this was a legit y'jammer or if it was Mike P playing some kind of joke on me. If you are truly with us M. McIntosh, please email me direct because I need to double-check your address before mailing something out to you. Thank you. -BABS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:14:58 EDT From: Corporate Community Relations To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: Providence gig Message-ID: David B. Kuznick (email_address_removed) wrote: >Could the Boston-area Ytsejammers that are going to the DT show in >Providence please get in touch with me? I have a car and would like >to work out some carpooling, etc. I also haven't gotten a ticket yet, >and since I assume the Strand is reserved seating (it's like The >Orpheum, no?), if anyone also hasn't gotten their seats yet (or has an >extra ticket), I'ld rather sit with another 'jammer, than by myself. Just FYI -- The strand is NOT like the Orpheum in Boston ... at least not anymore. Sure, it's a "theater" -- however, the place has been pretty much gutted, and converted to a full blown nightclub. There is seating in the balcony, but the General Public are not allowed up there -- it's for lighting people and club staff only. The main floor of the hall has had ALL of the seats ripped out of it, so the shows there are General Admission and standing room only! Don't expect great sound -- I saw DT there for their very first show of the "Awake" world tour, and the sound was *very* loud and not very clear. At least the visuals were good -- the stage is large enough to accommodate DT's stage and lighting rig. Happy rails, .... Buck .++++++++.\ -- .+++. .+++++++++++++++.\ ... .+++++++. .+++++++++++++++++++++.\ .+++++. .+++++++++++. .+++++++++++++++++++++++++++. .+++++++++. .++++++ William J. Buckley, Jr. +++++++++++++++++++. .+++++++++++++...++++++++ email_address_removed ++++++++++++++++++++++. ----------------------------- email_address_removed --------------------------- ----- Support an American Tradition ... RIDE MORE ROLLER COASTERS !!!!! ----- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are my own. They are not expressed on behalf of, nor are they associated with, my employer Digital Equipment Corp. or any specific non-for-profit organization I have affiliation with. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 10:34:41 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: who's the most important person in the band Message-ID: I was gonna try to stay out of this "who's the most important person in the band" until Phil (email_address_removed) attacked my instrument ;). > Being a drummer I can honestly say No you can't. You're biased. As am I. Watch. Someone recently said that he thinks it's the whole band. Not any one person - at least as far as prog goes. Like VH isn't a progressive band - it's Eddie Van Halen's band. If Eddie split, Alex would still be there so it could still be Van Halen but they'd be playing clubs real soon. Think of Yes. They went from Bill Bruford (!!!) to Alan White (?). I don't remember Alan ever doing anything terribly impressive. Chris Squire said it was like going from Mr. Technique to Mr. Feel. Anyway, Yes is a prog band and so they stayed even with other personell changes. > Keyboardist and Singer: These guys are really common Where the HELL do you live?? If I wanted to start a band and started looking for a singer, I'd have a hard time finding anyone good. Same with a keyboardist. A good singer is hard to come by - esp. one that knows anything about music as opposed to posing. > Bassist: No offense to bassists out there, but bass is > almost always a background instrument which stands out the > least in nearly any kind of music, especially prog Well, maybe to the first part, but prog is where the bass gets to shine. I'm thinking of Rush (best bassist so many times he can't win anymore), Yes (Squire is a major influence on many players), DT. Prog music is where the bassist isn't stuck peddling the root. He can do more. A good bassist is important to a prog band. I really think it's the whole band. DT could replace their keyboardist (oh yeah, they did) with someone different, but just as good (I'm hoping anyway) and still go on. The point is that they need someone who's really good. The whole band has to be good players and work together. ---------------- Marc Respass email_address_removed http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:42:48 CDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 903 Message-ID: Can someone mail me the lyrics to A change of Season and To Live F9orever. ? I have the boot Tragedy/Comedy, 2 CD set, and it is pretty good. I love the song ACoS but would like to figure out the rest of the words to it and T:LF. I did not have any trouble understanding the words to Eve so please dont send those also. Lattimer email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:48:46 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Ronnie Scotts Gig Message-ID: Does anyone have a copy of the Ronnie Scotts Cover Gig that they would be willing to make a copy for me? Email me if you would! Thanx! James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:05:54 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: CPI Message-ID: Does anyone know about this club? DT is playing there on friday, and I want to go. I checked out their web site and it said free entry 21 and over, or $5 for 19 or 20 year old women. Being a 20 year old guy, I'm a little miffed. Does anyone know if the $5 cover applies to guys as well? I live in the middle of Nassau county, and it would be a shame to drive all the way to Hampton Bays and not be allowed in. Thanks. BTW- in case no one else posts this, that cool U2 song is called "Hold me, Thrill me, Kiss me, Kill me" --Dan (email_address_removed) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:19:57 +0200 From: email_address_removed.se (Jan Melander) To: email_address_removed Subject: Hi You out there!!!! Message-ID: Hi everybody, I'm new here on the list so I better introduce myself. My name is Jan Melander, I'm 31 years old working as a programmer and playing guitar semi-pro with a band called Spaceman SPIFF in Gothenburg, Sweden. Just become DAD for the first time a month a go and gave my daughter a pre-birth present in form of a wonderful Dream Theater consert in Malmoe this spring. I'd like to make a comment on the discussion about the 'most important' band member. Let's turn this question around and ask who is the WORST? The answer is: the one who tries to play above his/hers abilities! When It comes down to bussiness, playing in a band is about to lock together with Your band mates and deliver a great song. To get there is to know Your limitations and Your strength as a band and arrange the music there after, the drummer does not need to be as pyrotecnical as Mike P to put up a good grove but if he can, it might be the cream on the cake. One of the most important talent You got to have as a musician is Taste, knowing when to stretch out and to know when to shut up, do the right thing for the song. To have said all this a decent band can still get good response by having a great singer since most people in this world can't tell the difference between the bass player and the guitar player and for them are 80% of their musical experience based on the vocals. By the way, does anyone know were to get DT bootlegs in Sweden? Cheers, =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Jan Melander _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ email_address_removed.se _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= "Until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead, The faithful live Awake, the rest remain misled" Innocence Faded - Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: jbako01 To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: CPI Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jul 1995 email_address_removed wrote: > Does anyone know about this club? > DT is playing there on friday, and I want to go. I checked out their web site > and it said free entry 21 and over, or $5 for 19 or 20 year old women. Being > a 20 year old guy, I'm a little miffed. Does anyone know if the $5 cover > applies to guys as well? I live in the middle of Nassau county, and it would > be a shame to drive all the way to Hampton Bays and not be allowed in. > Thanks. > Somehow, I get the feeling that it doesn't apply to guys. I'll barely be able to get my girlfriend in, she just turned 19 (I'm 22). btw, I called the club's hotline (516)728-4121. NO mention of echolyn, whatsoever. I still might go anyway. If anyone else is heading out there, let's arrange some kind of meet out there. Later, James Bako email_address_removed Polytechnic University Brooklyn, New York ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 14:02:03 PST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re[2]: Lyrics to ACOS Message-ID: From: Lattimer email_address_removed >>Can someone mail me the lyrics to A change of Season and To Live >>F9orever. ? I have the boot Tragedy/Comedy, 2 CD set, and it is You can get the lyrics to these (and more!) from the Dream Theater Song Book (plug, plug) available at the following locations (not available in stores :-) WWW = http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/index.htm FTP = www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/dt_sb10.txt If you can't get it this way, send me a note and I'll email it to you. +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) | | email_address_removed (preferred) -or- email_address_removed | | http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/index.htm | | ^--> Check here for the Dream Theater Song Book... | | "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." -Rush (The Band!) | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:16:06 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Prog music etc... Message-ID: >Bassist: No offense to bassists out there, but bass is almost always a >background instrument which stands out the least in nearly any kind of music, >especially prog. Because of this, a poor bassist in a prog band really >wouldn't make all that mushc difference. Hate to disagree with you here - but the reason why the bass is seldom heard is solely the responsiblity of the production team. DT's albums are like VH's in the respect of having really high guitar and/or key levels but having the bass backed way down in the mix. If you listen to Seventies prog music, the bass sometimes even lead the song (cf. Yes - Roundabout. That song revolutionized bass tones and the song would sound terrible with the bass turned down, IMHO). I think JM is DT's best kept secret. That guy is amazing! I would really like to hear more of him in future recordings. My definition of prog music in general is not just about wierd time sigs and clipped phrasing, it's the general approach to the music. The production, the lyrics, the presentation of the material, all aspects can (and should be) be manipulated to produce something wonderful. IMHO - DT has been compromised by using "standardized" production techniques and as a result the sound has become more "accessable" and easier to listen to. They will sell a lot more records, but I feel that they are losing their progressiveness a little. If the band took a turn away from the commercial side of things - I know I would still listen to them and I'm sure most of you would too. Sure we'd have a massive flame war about what happened but don't tell me that hasn't happened before. Enough rambling - ON WITH THE JAM!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:19:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: CPI Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jul 1995 email_address_removed wrote: > Does anyone know about this club? It's in Hampton Bays. On Montauk Highway at the Shinnecock Canal. > DT is playing there on friday, and I want to go. I checked out their web site > and it said free entry 21 and over, or $5 for 19 or 20 year old women. I couldn't believe this when I heard it. Is this legal?? > Being > a 20 year old guy, I'm a little miffed. Does anyone know if the $5 cover > applies to guys as well? I live in the middle of Nassau county, and it would > be a shame to drive all the way to Hampton Bays and not be allowed in. The # for their hotline is (516)-728-4121. I don't have a voice #. The ad also says "Proper Attire". Huh?? Ytsejam shirts??? If all else fails, there's always a wig and lipstick. :) Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:54:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Boot question Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Mathew W. Yee wrote: > [lurking device off] > > Gotta question for those in the know: > > I saw two copies of a boot called _Mind Control_ at a local store. From the > set list of this 2CD collection, it's from an _Awake_ show in Japan > with a couple of bonus tracks from the Ronny Scotts gig. (I think "Winter" > was one of the tracks. It's Tears and Silent Man and they must be from a radio broadcast and not the Ronnie Scott's gig. Nice clear sound on those two. > > I'm wondering if it's worth getting. I don't remember seeing anyone talk > about this, so I'm curious if anyone has a copy and can relate quality info. > What I mean is: how's the sound quality? Is it soundboard, or is it some > guy in the audience with a good rig, or is it some guy outside with a > shotgun mike? It must be from the Japan Pay=Per=View. The date is 1/24/95 (which is the same date as the Wake Up boot). Sound is much better than the average boot, but LaBrie's voice has seen better nights. One thing I really dig is on 'Another Day'. Right after "surrender to the secret", Mike pauses a second or two before coming in and John holds that one huge note a bit longer than usual. Have they done this at other shows? Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:52:22 -0400 From: email_address_removed (tooler) To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Warning ** NDTC ** Message-ID: hey all, just received this from Maria at Metal Blade Records: >Jim Matheos has just filled me in.... Frank has left to persue a more >jazz/blues style of music. Joe, on the other hand is still intact. They >will write and record the new material as a four piece and may or may not >look for someone else when it comes time to tour. As it stands now, their >next album should be available around April/May but we all know how maleable >those dates get. > >Also, the release date for their 'best of' compilation "Chasing Time" has >been moved ahead to August 8th...sorry people... > > >Maria >Metal Blade Records john c. jens, jr. email_address_removed http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/ "I know nothing of God, or the Devil. I have never seen a vison nor learned a secret that would damn or save my soul." Anne Rice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:52:52 -0400 From: email_address_removed (tooler) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Mike's multitute of projects Message-ID: >07/30/1995 - Rush: Cygnus released/shipping (this is more or less solid) >08/15/1995 - Dream Theater: "Acoustic Dreams" ordering begins huh huh, huh huh...kool >09/30/1995 - Dream Theater: "Acoustic Dreams" released/shipping great...5 weeks into skool; first major test of the semester :) >10/15/1995 - Public Affection: "The Death of a Dictionary" ordering begins yes! finally i'll hear this... >11/15/1995 - Dream Theater: "When Dream and Today Unite" ordering begins hmmm did i miss something? wasnt it called "When Dream and JAMES Unite"?? i mean, i kinda grew fond of the old title. like an old friend. but i guess old things tend to die :) >11/30/1995 - Public Affection: "The Death of a Dictionary" released/shipping excellent! right in time for mid-term exams!! >12/25/1995 - Dream Theater: "When Dream and Today Unite" released/shipping jingle bells, jingle bells.... >02/--/1996 - Rush: To be announced too bad i'm not a fan... >04/--/1996 - Live or Type O-Negative: To be announced +live+ defly...typo, maybe... >06/--/1996 - Dream Theater: To be announced hehehehehe more! More! MORE! i'm going to bed now...:) buh-bye :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:35:55 -0500 From: "Dan Tshin" To: email_address_removed Subject: Bassist Thread Message-ID: Hi, I've read a lot about this good/sux bassist part. In my opinion, I think the ideal band/situation is where everyone is a outstanding or good player (not mediocre) and they have good chemistry... for example... DT!! I believe that a good Bassist is important. Having been brought up in a classical music background, I know how important each part of the music and score is to the whole song or piece. Can you imagine Bach without the bass counterpoint?? Ouch. Each part complements the other parts. I feel the same way about prog rock. John M DOES play counterpoint to the guitar sometimes. It takes talent to play that way. DT wouldn't be the same without John (or a good bass player, for that matter). I personally dig good bass players, both technically and groovily (?). As a guitarist, I find bassists very important. I know that John hasn't had much coverage, but I hope he'll get known more. Of course guitarists get more publicity than bassists, but c'est la vie!! Anyways, less than 24 h to the QR concert!! ----> Dan Tshin <-------->> email_address_removed <----"Ryche"-+ Shad Valley Carleton '94 SuRvIvOr | _ _ | Homepage URL: http://www.orbonline.net/~danman | ( /V\ ) | "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what | M | he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot "The faithful live Awake/ | | | The rest remain misled" -- "Awake" Dream Theater | | | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 1:10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: CCSU '95 ALUMNI QUINNIPIAC LAW '98 To: email_address_removed Subject: DT: DEMO CD'S: Majesty 86, Instrumental, Instrumental II, RP! Message-ID: I saw someone on the Jam paid $45 for 1 majesty demo cd? That's insane. There is no need to pay those kinds of prices for single cd's..... Anyways, Since I've been backlogged with orders for these cd's i've gotten 60 of them to sell the first serious customers that want them. They are: DT: 1986 MAJESTY DEMOS. Original Demo featuring Chris Collins/Vox. DT: INSTRU-mental I . The 1987 Recordings. Featuring WDAUD demos, plus unreleased material (demo) and solo pieces from petrucci & portnoy. DT: INSTRU-mental II. *NEW* Featuring more rare instrumental tracks including the Rush cover YYZ, and the original demo for A Change of Seasons, and much much more! DT: Rising Power featuring Mike Portnoy: His band before DT. 1st time on CD. Great DT novelty item! For more detailed information including prices and ordering information,please send email to: email_address_removed BTW, I don't have sixty of each title, but about 15-25 of each. Order now as quantities are definately limited, and may not be offered online after this next ordering period. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Faithful live AWAKE, the rest remain Misled" -Dream Theater "Innocence Faded" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 00:09:08 -0500 (CDT) From: nguyen john t To: email_address_removed Subject: AD Message-ID: Hey Mike, real quick, IMHO, I'd rather hear unplugged versions of 6:00 and Under A Glass Moon rather than acoustic ACOS (that is, of course, if you have those two songs acoustic). Just my $.02. John Nguyen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 8:51 +0300 From: Aviad Hay To: email_address_removed Subject: JP's acoustic guitar. Message-ID: >Does Petrucci use his classical guitar on any other songs except >"learning to live"? > > > ...Brandon John plays his acoustic guitar (the nice orange one) at "Silent Man", "Another Day" (where he doubles kevin's piano line). Aviad H. /--\ \__/ || || || || || \\_||_// / ## \ | ## | \______/ "To B-Quad or not to B-Quad?, that is the question" - a.h. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 20:29:35 PDT From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Boot question and More (not Moore) Message-ID: > > Gotta question for those in the know: > > I saw two copies of a boot called _Mind Control_ at a local store. From the > set list of this 2CD collection, it's from an _Awake_ show in Japan > with a couple of bonus tracks from the Ronny Scotts gig. (I think "Winter" > was one of the tracks. The two tracks are "Tears" and TSM. These are listed as "bonus tracks" on the sleeve, which I think is funny since this is a bootleg !>\> > I'm wondering if it's worth getting. Definitely! The two best things on it are Mike's solo (this gets better every tour!) and "Another Crack in the Mirror" (instrumental intro to "The Mirror"). And this brings up another subject (which anyone who's been cruising a.r.m.p. with recognize), and this is Derek's writing ability. The intro to TM, I think, is a good representation of Derek's material (unless I'm wrong and someone else wrote it?). I think this song sounds great. He has a definite style that is different from Moore's but good all the same. I he can write keyboard bits like this for the next album, I *won't* be dissapointed. >I don't remember seeing anyone talk > about this, so I'm curious if anyone has a copy and can relate quality info. > What I mean is: how's the sound quality? Is it soundboard, or is it some > guy in the audience with a good rig, or is it some guy outside with a > shotgun mike? I believe it's from a Japanese radio braodcast. I think it sounds good. > If no one realates, I may just pick it up and give my impression, but I'd > rather not waste my hard earn $$$ on a horrible boot. > > Mathew Yee I've done enough of that! (mostly on Rush boots) btw, does anyone know of any *good* boots from the current QR tour that I should be looking for? Zach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 10:42:17 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Randall Braun) To: email_address_removed Subject: IRC info Message-ID: I got this from a document on IRC: Hope it can be helpful to someone: (4) Where can I get source for an IRC client? You can anonymous ftp to any of the following sites (use the one closest to you): *** If you don't know what anonymous ftp is, ask your local systems people to show you *** UNIX client-> cs.bu.edu /irc/clients ftp.acsu.buffalo.edu /pub/irc ftp.funet.fi /pub/unix/irc coombs.anu.edu.au /pub/irc ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de /pub/comp/networking/irc/clients slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com /pub/irc there is also a client avaliable with the server code. EMACS elisp-> cs.bu.edu /irc/clients/elisp ftp.funet.fi /pub/unix/irc/Emacs ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de /pub/comp/networking/irc/clients slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com /pub/irc/emacs lehtori.cc.tut.fi /pub/irchat X11 client-> catless.ncl.ac.uk /pub harbor.ecn.purdue.edu /pub/tcl/code VMS -> cs.bu.edu /irc/clients/vms coombs.anu.edu.au /pub/irc/vms ftp.funet.fi /pub/unix/irc/vms ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de /pub/net/irc REXX client for VM-> cs.bu.edu /irc/clients/rxirc ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de /pub/irc/rxirc ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de /pub/net/irc/VM coombs.anu.edu.au /pub/irc/rxirc ftp.funet.fi /pub/unix/irc/rxirc MSDOS-> cs.bu.edu /irc/clients/msdos ftp.funet.fi /pub/unix/irc/msdos Macintosh-> cs.bu.edu /irc/clients/macintosh sumex-aim.stanford.edu /info-mac/comm ftp.funet.fi /pub/unix/irc/mac ftp.ira.uka.de /pub/systems/mac (15) Where can I learn more? The best, basic, IRC user's manual is the IRC Primer, available in plain text, PostScript, and LaTeX from cs-ftp.bu.edu:/irc/support ... Another good place to start might be downloading the IRC tutorials. They're avaliable via anonymous ftp from cs-ftp.bu.edu in /irc/support/old* I got this in a Mac archive called 'IRC_Mac_Clients.sea' from Sumex/Info-Mac It has a number of Mac IRC programs and helpful documents (general, not Mac-limited). --Randall L. Braun-- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 904 *************************