YTSEJAM Digest 902 Today's Topics: 1) Just a plug by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 2) Moshing by George Voronoff 3) Most important member by Nathan Benjamin Meezan 4) DT merchandise by email_address_removed (MR DEREK J BOBER) 5) Yes by "Craig M. Newmeyer" 6) classical guitar on DT by Howard Roark 7) Covers gig setlist by Carmen J Pezzone 8) Fates Warning by email_address_removed (Andrew Garinger) 9) PMU as module!! by Magnus Enbom 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 899 by email_address_removed 11) DT shows (7/28) by jbako01 12) Extreme by euan@waikato.ac.nz 13) Ronnie Scott's Gig questions by email_address_removed 14) Ronnie Scott's Gig questions by email_address_removed 15) Re: Extreme by "JOEL HARRELD" 16) Info wanted on WAKE UP CD by Andrew Keegan 17) Drummer. by Brian Wherry 18) Progressively important by tempus88@nbnet.nb.ca (Vince French) 19) DREAM THEATER - New Album Out This Fall! by Euan@Waikato.ac.nz 20) Ronny Scotts gig by email_address_removed (Monty Newberry ) 21) What's happened to FW?? by email_address_removed 22) ACoS news! by ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:59:30 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: Just a plug Message-ID: Hi everyone, I just wanted to invite you guys to check out the Joel Rivard Group home page. I don't have all the pictures up or all the links done but there are two sound clips available for downloading and two more coming soon. The sounds are about 1 minute long but in 8 bit .au format so they're about 600K I think. I'd appreciate any comments anyone can give. Thanks a lot. The address is: http://www.iii.net/users/mer/joelpage.html Oh, for DT content, I've been really influenced a lot by DT lately and I've been making DT tapes and giving them to Joel to listen to. BTW, I noticed something that I thought was weird. Since I listen to ACOS so much, I listened to two Rush albums in a row and walked away with ACOS in my head! Later, ---------------- Marc Respass email_address_removed http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:30:00 +1000 (EST) From: George Voronoff To: email_address_removed Subject: Moshing Message-ID: > I normally don't, because most of the people in the mosh's I've been in, > seem to be ready to hurt somebody on purpose, not to have fun. I recently had a pretty Kool expirience moshing. I've been living in Melbourne, Australia for the past year and a half and the live music scene is fantastic. Iv'e been to a couple of gigs where there was moshing going on. One time, I was in the middle of the pit, and the crowd surged back. The person in front of me began falling back, and was standing on both of my feet, so I began falling too. As I was falling I bumped into the person behind me and she also started falling (Domino effect). We all hit the ground and then the croud started moveing forward. Someone grabbed the person in front of me by the hand and just the momentum of the crowed pulled him/her back up. That person grabbed my hand and pulled me up, and I grabbed the person behind me and pulled her up. So, all three of us ended up hitting the ground and getting pulled up with a matter of seconds. There was no fighting. Everyone cooperated to make sure that everyone else had fun. This is the way moshing should be! Also, even though I love Austrialia, I'll be coming back home to San Francisco for a while. I'm wondering if anyone can give be some Ideas as to where the best places in SF for live music are. I'm more into metal than prog. DT, is about the lightest music that I like (See, DT content). George ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 06:44:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Benjamin Meezan To: email_address_removed Subject: Most important member Message-ID: Hey, In response to the post about which member of the band is most crucial to success: First of all, I just want to say that both of my brothers are drummers, half of my friends are drummers, and most of the answers so far have been "the drummer". So, I think the most important member of the band is. . . the guitar player! It's true that a band needs a good drummer to thrive, but to say that a band needs a spectacular drummer to be good just isn't so. But, if you really want your band to shred, especially live, you'd better have a teriffic guitar player. If the guitar player is truly awesome, even if the drummer, singer, and bass-player are only good (not bad, mind you) then the band can still shake it up. Even bands that seem to downplay the guitarist on their albums, from Rush all the way to Blues Traveler, still turn him up when they get on stage. They know. Since we're talking about drummers, and since people have mentioned their amazement at Portnoy and his rhythms, I have one question: Who is this Polly guy? Obviously, if he invented the Polly-rhythm that's been mentioned on the list so frequently, he must be a hell of a percussionist too. Does anyone know who he played for? Just curious. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathan Meezan, Stanford '97 email- email_address_removed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:38:20 EDT From: email_address_removed (MR DEREK J BOBER) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT merchandise Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone knew about a place where I could get t- shirts, posters, etc. It is so hard to find anything in music stores. I also wanted to know if anyone knows the US summer tour dates, someone said they are playing Providence on August 3rd. "It is better to save the mystery, than surrender to the secret" Another Day, Dream Theater Thanks alot Derek ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:07:11 EDT From: "Craig M. Newmeyer" To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Yes Message-ID: About that great Yes album... Before '90125' was released, the band consisted of Trevor Rabin, Chris Squire, Alan White & Tony Kaye... No Jon Anderson! With the absence of Jon, they were going to name the band Cinema. Trevor and Chris were going to do all of the vocals. Jon came in to sing some backups & they decided that he might as well be in the band... and if he were back in the band... they might as well call it Yes! They were then going to name the album Cinema... I don't know why they changes their mind, but there is an instrumental on it called Cinema... Hey... When can I find ACOS? When will the EP be released???? Craig... Regards, Craig M. Newmeyer Product Engineering, Regent Court : CT-120 Door Trim Phone: (313) 337-5671 FAX: (313) 323-0582 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:33:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Howard Roark To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: classical guitar on DT Message-ID: Does Petrucci use his classical guitar on any other songs except "learning to live"? ...Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:32:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Carmen J Pezzone To: email_address_removed Subject: Covers gig setlist Message-ID: Tim, I tried mailing your account but it just bounced back. Here is what you asked for, and sorry to waste bandwidth. Setlist (from a previous Jam) Funeral for a Friend/Love lies Bleeding (Elton John) Perfect Strangers (Deep Purple) Red Hill Town (U2) Zeppelin Medley: The Rover/ Achillies' Last Stand / The Song Remains the Same Tears (Rush) Damage Inc. (Metallica) with Barney (Napalm Death) Happiness is a Warm Gun (Beatles) with Steve Hogarth (Marillion) Easter (Marillion) with Steve Hogarth (Marillion) and Steve Rothery (Marillion) Winter (Tori Amos) In the Dead of Night (UK) Yes Medley: Machine Messiah/ Heart of the Sunrise/ Close to the Edge/ Siberian Khatru/ WURM with Steve Howe (Yes) Medley: In the Flesh (Pink Floyd) Carry On Wayward Son (Kansas) Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen) Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin (Journey) Cruise Control (Dixie Dregs) Turn It On Again (Genesis) Later, Carmen -- Mr. Carmen J. Pezzone Jr. (Aero/Astro Eng) email_address_removed you can reach me also at email_address_removed Take the Time^Roll the Bones^Up the Irons^Balls to Picasso^Rust in Piece Mouth for War^Kill 'em All^A Jar of Flies^Songs for Instects^Speak the Word ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:55:07 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Andrew Garinger) To: ytsejam@arastar.com I know that alot of you are FW fans, Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: I have Parallels and Inside Out and I think both are amazing. But I also have Night on Brocken, which I found really cheap. Basically, I hate it. Can anyone tell me which other CDs are worth getting? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:08:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Magnus Enbom To: email_address_removed Subject: PMU as module!! Message-ID: Hi dear jammers! I want to know if anyone is interested in having Mike:s drums "transcribed" as .mod files??? I find it very useful, since I am a guitarist. Simply, start the module, it counts in, and then just try to play the Guitar/Keyboard/Bass to it. I really want to know if anyone is interested!! I have already made a complete score to PMU, ready to use in for example FastTracker. It`s only 4 channels right now, but if anyone insists that it sounds too bad, I can easily make it in 8-16 tracks. The reason to just use 4 tracks was because I wanted it to work on Amigas too.(I use one, for example, though I have got a PC too..) I have got plenty of ideas, for example: * - Add Bass-lines?? * - Add Keyboard-lines?? * - Add Guitars?? Comp?? Solo?? (Requires a LOT of memory, though) * - Add Channels?? If you want to try this one out (PMU), or are interested in other songs (I`ll make whatever song by DT you want, assumed that I have got the song! It's REALLY inspirating and *FUN* to do.), contact me at: email_address_removed.se Next song I am considering to do, is LIE, as it`s one of my faves on AWAKE. Please, write! I want to know what *YOU* want(or don`t), and it will give me *MUCH* more encourage to do it. If it will be any response at all, I`ll let you know where to find it. (On ftp.luth.se)(Haven`t put it there yet..)Ytsejam will also get the message when it`s time to take use of `em. Hope you`ll like this offer as much I do like to do it! Kindly yours Magnus Alakangas (Azazel of Satariel) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | "I argue with the clouds, stealing beauty from my eyes" - Kevin Moore | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------Messages to: email_address_removed.se----------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:28:02 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 899 Message-ID: Hello everyone, it's Babs. I want to extend congratulations to John Nguyen on becoming a dad. That means that I am no longer the only parent on the 'jam. There are a couple others, but they lurk and rarely post to the list. If you ever need any advice on coping w/ colic and sleepless nights, just email me direct. I probably shouldn't tell you this, but my daughter didn't sleep all night until after 2 years of age (I recommend Vivarin, but in small quantities and it's also good to eat and keep your blood sugar up - it helps you get through the day). My daughter also likes DT. The only problem now is that she runs over to the stereo all the time and turns it up real loud, I will walk by and turn it down (just a bit) and three seconds later "little fingers" have managed to turn it back up. When I argue that she can still hear them at normal volume she sasses me and throws a tantrum. See what you have to look forward to? Take care and best wishes, -BABS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:51:17 -0400 (EDT) From: jbako01 To: email_address_removed Subject: DT shows (7/28) Message-ID: Does anyone know for sure if echolyn will be opening for DT again during these dates? I probably would have to skip out on seeing DT again (esp. since I caught them at the Malibu), but if echolyn is there, I'll take the 2+hour ride. Thanks in advance, James Bako email_address_removed Polytechnic University Brooklyn, New York ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 09:05:55 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz To: email_address_removed Subject: Extreme Message-ID: > OK, flame on, but I must admit taht Extreme is my favorite band. >Trust me, this is a difficult thing to admit on the ytsejam list. However, >III sides blew me away when I first heard it, moe so that my first hearing >of I & W or Awake. Any opiions of Waiting for theunchline out there. I >found it quite good considering the impossibility of following up III >Sides. Extreme was my favourite band before DT, but I still collect their albums. I must admit, I like their rock/funk oriented stuff (cf. Extreme & Pornograffiti) more than their later stuff but my fave Extreme song at the moment is Cynical F**K. I really dig that DT-esque chromatic riff in the bridge and that real crunchy rythmn sound Nuno uses. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with Extreme, except maybe they should be discussed on some newsgroup instead of here. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 13:15:53 PST8 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Ronnie Scott's Gig questions Message-ID: I just heard a tape of the entire "Uncovered" gig and have a couple of questions (in case anybody knows)... 1. Are there any video boots of this show floating around? I just have to "see" this show. 2. Does anybody know which band member picked which songs to cover? Thanks, ps, I will be adding all of the lyrics for this show to the DT Song Book... should have the next version out soon... +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) | | email_address_removed (preferred) -or- email_address_removed | | http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/index.htm | | ^--> Check here for the Dream Theater Song Book... | | "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." -Rush (The Band!) | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 13:15:53 PST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Ronnie Scott's Gig questions Message-ID: I just heard a tape of the entire "Uncovered" gig and have a couple of questions (in case anybody knows)... 1. Are there any video boots of this show floating around? I just have to "see" this show. 2. Does anybody know which band member picked which songs to cover? Thanks, ps, I will be adding all of the lyrics for this show to the DT Song Book... should have the next version out soon... +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) | | email_address_removed (preferred) -or- email_address_removed | | http://www.indirect.com/www/mkizer/index.htm | | ^--> Check here for the Dream Theater Song Book... | | "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." -Rush (The Band!) | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:40:47 CDT From: "JOEL HARRELD" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Extreme Message-ID: This is regarding the Extreme post: I'd have to say that III Sides is one of the best CDs I've ever heard. Phenominal music and great lyrics. When I first got "Punchline" it kinda tripped me out because it was so different but it's really grown on me and gets heavy rotation on my Cd player. On the drummer thread: I believe it takes a really good drummer to make a band great, however, the other members are also very important. I've played drums for 14 years now and there is nothing more annoying than a guitarist or bassist who can't stay with the groove. Singers are also important because that's the biggest connection with the audience in many cases. If the singers sucks most people won't listen to the band, regardless of how great they are. On the lyrics thread: I think it's very cool to hear what different people have to say about the lyrics and how they interpret them. This digest is an open forum with a lot of cool open-minded people on it -- Let's keep it that way! DT content: Whenever I listen to WDADU I get a little mad that it was out in '89 and I had no clue. Of course, it saved me from waiting four years for "Images" so I guess that's okay... Cheers, Joel ********************************************************************** Joel Harreld email_address_removed "When I die, I want to go peacefully, like my grandfather did. In his sleep, not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." - Unknown Heb. 11:6 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 22:24:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Info wanted on WAKE UP CD Message-ID: Could someone who has this boot please e-mail me with the date. Thanks, Andy email_address_removed ============================================================== "Live fast, "There's only one way Be a spark and glow awhile of life, You'll be dead a long, long time" And that's your own" -B. Geldof - Levellers ============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:49:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry To: DT List Subject: Drummer. Message-ID: IMHO, the drummer is definitely the most important member of a band. What's the most important part of a sandwich? Not the mayo. Not the lettuce. THE BREAD!! It holds everything together at all times, and when it's especially good 'n' tasty, it makes the whole sandwich incredible!! (Oh my God! I'm making cheesy sandwich analogies again! And food puns!!) Allright, enough. Comments? Criticisms? Grey Poupon? (I've really gotta stop.) :) Later, 'jammers! Brian BTW, there's this new U2 song (I can see the flames now!) that gets played on the radio and whatnot (my co-workers force me to listen to the "pop" station 24-7). It was also featured on the Batman Forever soundtrack. I don't even know what it's called. But ANYWAY, this song KICKS ASS!! PROPER!! The entire song isn't all that hot, but the chorus is one of the best I've heard in a LONG time!! Anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 23:45:16 -0300 From: tempus88@nbnet.nb.ca (Vince French) To: email_address_removed Subject: Progressively important Message-ID: This may be an old thread, but here goes. There was discussion about who was the most important in a progressive band. Well, that's very hard to determine. I think everyone has to be progressive minded and oriented. You can't have one without the other. To quote John Petrucci, as closely as I can recall, when asked how it felt to be seen as a Guitar God, said "I don't like to consider myself as a guitar god, but as a very important player in a great band." Each member is equally important. For example, look at Nuno, which is an incredible guitarist, and at some points sounds progressive, but I could play more complicated drum tracks and I'm a bassist! And that makes Extreme, in my mind, a good rock band with a great guitarist. The talent doesn't seem to be thorough and equally applied. Not saying that the drummer is NOT talented, but simply saying that he plays very basic rhythms, which detracts from a possible progressive sound...which is probably not what they want to achieve anyway. Whereas in DT, everyone plays at the height of their abilities, same as for Rush. They are perfectionists, each with the same ideals and orientation. They take a riff, and instead of repeating it throughout the song, like, oh, I don't know, Green Day?, Offspring?, they "progress" further and beyond and make it much less monotonous. So IMHO, I don't really believe there is any one person more important than the others in a progressive band. When you think of Extreme, you think of Nuno, Van Halen -> Eddie Van Halen, AC/DC -> Angus Young, and I could go on forever. But DT is different...sure everyone has their favorite, but they are all equally talented and basically virtuosos. Not so for the regular bands. Only my $0.02 worth. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:01:16 +1200 From: Euan@Waikato.ac.nz To: email_address_removed Subject: DREAM THEATER - New Album Out This Fall! Message-ID: ****** FORWARDED MESSAGE ****** > From: email_address_removed > Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive > Subject: DREAM THEATER - New Album Out This Fall! > Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 15:37:39 EDT > Organization: Youngstown State University > > From what I was able to gather from Scene Magazine, Dream Theater has > scheduled the end of September for the release of their newest CD. > The CD is divided into two sections: > - A live performance. The night recorded was the special event (I cannot > remember which) when DT performed a bunch of cover tunes in trubute to > their many influences. > - A second section with a studio performance of the widely-requested > "A Change Of Seasons". > > You heard it here! I am as excited as the rest of you must be! > > Dion Pomponio -- "Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio e di piu" _Dream Theater_ 'Take the Time' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 22:59:37 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Monty Newberry ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Ronny Scotts gig Message-ID: I just read a report yesterday in some guitar mag about the Ronnie Scott's gig. It said to start looking for bootlegs of the show, so maybe we'll see some popping up somewhere... . God bless. Dale R. Newberry "Gravity is a harsh mistress." -The Tick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 00:59:27 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: What's happened to FW?? Message-ID: Sorry for the lack of DT content, but I am curious to know: what happened to Fates Warning? I'm not a huge fan (in fact I dont have any of their CDs - yet though I've heard Parallels and Perfect Symetry ) but they are growing on me and I plan to pick up some stuff from them soon (thanx to you guys/gals). Anyway, what's with the line up? What happened to the 2 guys (sorry, dunno their names yet)? Scott Hansen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 10:40:08 +0200 (MET DST) From: To: email_address_removed (YTSAEJAM Digest) Subject: ACoS news! Message-ID: Hey Jammers - look what just showed up on the NMS (Rush list) (someone will probably beat me to this): >From: email_address_removed >Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 19:02:14 -0400 >Subject: Dream Theater e.p. > >I just got an advance cassette of Dream Theater's new e.p., "A Change of >Seasons," and I regret to tell everyone who thought otherwise that it does >NOT contain a cover of "Tears," or any other Rush song. > >On side 2 is live covers of Elton John, Zeppelin, Queen, Kansas, Deep Purple, >Pink Floyd, Journey, Genesis and Dixie Dregs, but nothing from the Boys. > >BTW, side 1 is a 22-minute version of "A Change of Seasons," which is finally >released legit when this e.p. comes out September 19. >Troy i hope in posting this that i do not aggravate troy, who may very well have planned to post this himself on the 'jam! peace and animal crackers, p. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Paul T. 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